Guild Wars 2

20 eles walk into an arena….

There was once a man named Jonathan Sharp.
He said, “Soon.”
And, at first, we all swooned.
But then, as time passed,
The devs became relaxed,
And we knew no good patches
Would come to pass.

“Its down the road but it’s part of the plan”
-Jsharp

I’d be down for this.
+ the queus would pop instantly.

@Oni
The leaderboards will be taking to account the MMR pre-patch…

Laserbolt.6731:

Davinci.8027:

Start trying to find a team.

Seems to be all I can do now.

There are alot of players in your situation. There is no LFG system that can help these players find a group around their skill level to be able to enjoy tPvP the way it was meant to be played.

Imo, there should be a subforum devoted to finding and a new team and for teams to find new players.
An in-game way of finding a group would be even better, though.

Nunganok.4590:

mbh.8301:

Vapula.8210:

You already have to dodge properly on a point, or you will roll off.

Invalid point.
You can dodge in any direction, so even if you’re sitting at the edge of the point there’s still places for you to dodge.

Invalid point.
You didnt use your brain to interpret what the person you quoted said. Sometimes its not beneficial to continue dodging on the point, thus it would be wise to leave the point, therefore dodging does not hold the same beneficial qualities as invulnerability.

mbh.8301:

If you have permanent vigor and quadruple energy sigils then maybe the point will get decapped from right underneath you, but that assumes the other guy hasn’t dodged at all.

Quadruple energy sigils? You know that if you have one sigil that has a cooldown on its effect it puts all other sigils you have equipped on cooldown once its used right? As in, you’ll get the use of one sigil and the rest go on cooldown?

Like if you have Air and Energy and you swap weapons and proc Energy the Air sigil goes on a 9 second cooldown…

I really think you should understand how the game works before making ridiculous posts like this.

mbh.8301:

The only “properly” when it comes to dodging is timing it against damage.

Again you are wrong.

Id rather take 5k damage and dodge 3 seconds of immobo than dodge the 5k damage and sit there immobolized while 3 people pummel me. Or even just one person…

You clearly do not understand this game or what you are talking about.

Why so rude?

Start trying to find a team.

I know that it was stated in the pre-patch announcement that leaderboards could “take up to a week” to finally be visible. Tomorrow is the end of that week, and I’m just wondering if there is any time/timeframe we can expect to actually see the leaderboards?
To me, “up to a week” implies that a week is the latest point at which the leaderboards will be visible.

The chances of me actually getting a dev response are slim to none, though, because they’re working on the magical mystery box…

In this order:

1.)Warriors (sooooo much burst)
2.) Thieves (soooo much burst but less than warriors)
3.)Rangers (sooooo much haste, is not fare)
4.) Mesmers (time portal, warp, illusion of life [es so op])
5.) Guardian (es never die)
6.) Necro (conddition master)
7.)Engineer (so bad, damage so lo, i laff when i go aganst engi haha)
8.) Elementalist (no damage, i only has 14000 hp, needs more heling)

Jajajajajaja

gwawer.9805:

what is this thing \!/

It’s a call for an emergency, Acandis style.

Doing this would make bunker guardians completely useless, since we rely on dodge to stay alive.

Khyras.8021:

Davinci.8027:

If all you play is hotjoins…

Hot-joins are more fair than tourneys, no premade vs pug nonsense, question is why YOU play tourneys instead of hot-join, you like butchering pug players with your buddies or something?

THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BECOME.
SAVE US KARL!

If all you play is hotjoins…

I think something like what they have in smite with the emote system would do wonders for this game’s solo queu.

Defektive.7283:

They just moved this topic in here (from general chat), when the point of the topic was to get everyone PvE, WvW and sPvP on the same page.

It’s like they didn’t even read the post.

They move posts away from sPvP when they directly correlate to PvP, and now they move post into sPvP when it’s directed at the whole community…

numri.7081:

I was playing a quickness warrior in full berserkers gear, focused 100% on damage and zero survivability, just for the heck of it.

I could destroy a class in heavy armor before they could even load me into their client. I welcome the quickness nerf, it opens peoples minds to exploration. Every build was too focused on it, I remade my build the other day completely and took quickness out of the equation, and I haven’t looked back yet.

Believe it or not, There are other more than viable options!

If you were destroying people in “heavy” armor (which doesn’t mean they’re bunker) that quickly, then they were bad. Running around zerging people in hotjoins does not account for the viability or none-viability of a spec or class.

Minion of Vey.4398:

Good point on taking more damage. I think the quickness nerf is appropriate, but the increased damage taken during frenzy should be reduced as well.

This, definitely. The class as a whole needs to be revamped. The problem I have with the haste nerf is that it directly affects warriors much more than it does any other class. If the warrior had viability in other specs, or even if the GS spec didn’t rely heavily on Frenzy, then I wouldn’t be so appalled at this nerf. But implementing this change now, at this time, when warriors are so low on the totem pole, is just adding salt to the wound.

swinsk.6410:

I think the negative effects of the quickness should be removed or reduced…

Warriors still take 50% more damage but don’t get the same benefit. Yes, the duration is longer for the quickness but so is the debuff.

Thieves still loose all endurance and won’t start regenerating it until after the quickness wears off which is a much longer duration.

Time Warp is really the only quickness that got a fair nerf in this patch.

Personal quickness got an unfair nerf.

I agree that Time Warp could have used a nerf, but then again this would create more problems because Mesmer’s viability lies in its 3 main utilities (Time Warp, Illusion of Life and Portal) and by nerfing this you now create other problems where mesmer needs to be more viable as a CLASS.
This game’s balance is like a game of JENGA… GG

ahuba.6430:

overall, yes, i still think warriors will be able to get their burst rotation off and same for thiefs, but while i agree quickness needed tweeks, so do bunkers. maybe make quickness apply some healing/boon debuff?

I totally disagree with this in so many ways. Warriors barely had any viability as a class in skilled tourneys. Not to mention, they were only viable if they ran frenzy with GS in one set. Now, their high-cd burst will be even more negligible meaning…

I disagree that bunkers need a nerf. It’s a part of the design of the game and is what Anet originally wanted. Bunkers have already been considerably nerfed (especially Guardians)…

I also think burst is very healthy for a game of this kind because it creates a higher skillcap for reasons I have already stated.

A simple Yes or No will do along with an explanation of why you think so.

I am going to tally up the results.
My answer is a No. I’ve already explained in my other thread why this is so bad, but to put it short: In nerfing haste they accomplish so little (in terms of balance) for the amount of problems they are creating in return.

Yes: 12

Yes, but : 16

No: 12

Edit: Adding another option : Yes, but…

• : Please try and remain as objective as possible. By objective, I mean, do not think solely about how this will positively/negatively affect only your class(es) and try to be more open in thinking how it will affect the game as a whole apart from just yourself. I see lots of posts like this :

“I play elementalist, therefore I am all for the haste buff, since I have no access to haste.”

Now, it’s obvious the devs are trying to deal with some imbalances that Haste creates. However, this is not the way to do it. By simply nerfing the global haste ability, you are ignoring the millions of other problems this creates, not just for one class (cough, warrior), but for several. It’s kind of like shoving dirty under a carpet, except in this case the dirt is a huge, basketball sized, hardened carapace of a dead kittenroach that can clearly be seen from a mile away.

I am sorry, Anet, but I am deeply, deeply, immensely confused by what thought process went through your mind(s) in order to implement these “balance” changes… I’m sure alot of the community is.

Personally, I liked running with a warrior before, because it suited the way I liked to the play the game, however I always felt as though it was a sort of “crutch” because it was a low-niche class (meaning it didn’t fill enough roles in a team). Now, not only will it be low-niche, but it will be bad at delivering within the small niche it is encrusted in.

Please re-think what you’ve done.
Thank you.

No, burst is a very healthy mechanic. It’s hard to deal with if you’re new , but it leads to strategic and smart play as well as a higher skillcap due to the need for high – precision, good teamwork/coordination, and great positioning to be able to do well…
But hey, these words are just gonna be countered by “ye buts i di in 1 seconds bcs of stopid thieves 1 shots me!”

I hate what the forums have become. There are very few people who actually have the knowledge and experience to give any valid and valuable information to what this game needs, and as a result, the devs are listening to a bunch of inexperienced players talking about mechanics they don’t fully understand… sigh

They nerf the one class that has the greatest weakness in tPvP, and decide to compensate it by buffing a bunch of worthless abilties. Bladetrail nerfed, Frenzy nerfed. Cya Hman.

The sad thing about all of this, is that the devs, regardless of the feedback from the community, will think they did a “great job” and that they “hit the nail on the head” and that more improvements will “come soon”. They’ll choose to only focus on the positive feedback and infract anybody and anyone who has anything negative to say about this “amazing” game.
Welcome to USSR 1965.

Ezrael.6859:

Davinci.8027:

I’m out.

Davinci.8027:

If this game wants to go anywhere, then it needs to balance around high-tier play.
But, at this point, I don’t really care.
It’s going to the kittenter, so they can do what they want with it.

Davinci.8027:

Nerds can only express themselves via sarcasm because deep down they don’t feel as though their opinions really have any validation.
MISSTALK, WRONG CHAT

Davinci.8027:

I spend my days trolling the forums, trying to grab CC Eva’s attention (CC Eva, I love you (kisses and smooches)).

Insert multiple comments about quitting the game and the forums and never coming back because he hates it and it’s going nowhere (these were deleted because he’s unable to express himself without profanities against ArenaNet and other forum posters).

Davinci.8027:

I’m still here. What are you talking about?

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What a thrilling life you lead.

Do you really spend your time collecting quotes from other players? No, YOU must have a thrilling life.

I can’t stand people that say : “People will just complain about anything.”
People will always complain about people complaining no matter how bad the situation is about which the people are complaining.

This next patch will not be a magical patch. It will have a few PvP balances, and leaderboards will be visible within a week. That’s about it.
I think players started leaving last month with the last patch failing expectations. It was pretty much the last straw to an already dying community…

I’m still here. What are you talking about?

Kultas Sunstrider.9218:

Davinci.8027:

Please, please Anet only make a reward for the top 7.
Thank you

only top 6 pl0x

nooooooooooooooooooooooo

Please, please Anet only make a reward for the top 7.
Thank you

I’m not crying. Please don’t cry when someone else makes a valid point other than your own.

Moving onto my point:

Bunkers have already been nerfed over and over again the past 4 months. If you actually played this game for more than 2 weeks, you would know how OP bunkers actually WERE.
Bunker guardians atm, are good where they’re at. Elementalists tankiness is a little much, but they lack the amount of CC/Utility/Stomping/Resing Power that a bunker gaurdian has…

Healing and protection have already been nerfed considerably. You’re asking to nerf the bread & butter of this game.
I’m sorry, but it just sounds like you’re angry at certain mechanics of the game but dont actually understand what needs to be fixed…

If you spec into being bunker, you should expect to live and do it well. After all, deep bunker specs do no damage…

That’s not true. They dish out a kitten ton of damage…..

“the mobility of a mesmer.” wut??

They’re working on it.
Stop complaining ! What, do you actually expect the devs to deal with bugs within 7 months?

showatt.9413:

DevilsGlare.7658:

Sprawl.3891:

whining about whining, lolz

if Anet really cared about spvp they would invest more people/time/effort to it, it’s blatantly obvious to any non-fanboi that sPvP is the 3rd tier compared to PvE and WvW based on dev support and straight up player population.

But hey, keep dreaming QT. You sound just like every other fanboi trying to keep the peace as their ship goes down in flames. I could copy paste a similar post from pretty much every past failure from Warhammer to AOC to SWTOR. “dont be mean to the devs, give them time, it will get better” lol no.

Can you blame them though? They have hundreds of thousands of people enjoying PvE and WvW vs a few thousand who take spvp seriously. Why should they bother? Spvpers don’t spend money.

Lol “fanboi”
I’m just being realistic. I left this game and played multiple others that are currently out right now, and like I previously said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Continue being a cynic Sprawl, I’m sure the devs love creating new content for people such as yourself. My entire post summed up is about turning the community into a give/take relationship, instead of simply take. If you’re too simple to understand that, then debating anything with you would be a moot point as well.

Trust me, the moment you stop caring about those people – which is pretty much what Arena ought to do, and appears to be doing – the happier you are when playing the game.

Whiners tend to make it a habit to say what they think is happening with total disregard to what is actually happening. They say spvp is going downhill, but when I play hotjoin my que time doesn’t take more than 5 minute per match. They say tvt is dead, but many great pvpers are still committed to Gw2, and new ones are coming.

Hell there are even people who say the game is dying, even though ArenaNet is releasing new patches every other week. The guys at Swtor will jump for joy if they get a patch every 6 month. It a call for a celebration if a BW Dev show up in their forum every once in a year. Here, people whine when they don’t see a dev reply every day.

Modern Game developers are like a single mom raising a bunch of spoiled brats. They give and give and expect little in return – in big companies like Blur, they don’t even get paid for overtime – and they still get the cold shoulders from the few self entitled consumer who think the 70 bucks they paid entitle them to demand even more content than what they’re releasing, six month after the payment.

Some even had the gut to call other people ‘fanbois’.
You know what they say about haters.

Hater’s gonna hate.

The game isn’t going downhill? What universe do you live in?
When’s the last time you’ve stepped into the mists, any mists, and seen more than 50 people online? Or even 20 people online?

There are NO good teams left, it’s all a bunch of scraggly pugs. All the dedicated players have left… including a player who probably dedicated the most time out of anyone to this game.

We can be positive and optimistic all day, but that doesn’t deny the fact that the game IS dying and IS in decline.

“Whiners tend to make it a habit to say what they think is happening with total disregard to what is actually happening. They say spvp is going downhill, but when I play hotjoin my que time doesn’t take more than 5 minute per match. They say tvt is dead, but many great pvpers are still committed to Gw2, and new ones are coming.”

You contradict yourself here. You seem to be completely delusional to how the state of the game really is.

I’m only talking about sPvP. WvW and PvE are apparently doing great.

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

That’s probably the worst warrior footage I’ve ever seen. Ever.

I’ll let you take my spot. You’re the master troll.

Liewec.2896:

trolling from the guy that bought you such classics as: “if you play hotjoin i don’t want you to have an opinion on the game you play.”
i don’t know which post was supposed to be amusing and which wasn’t…

wy yu say i troling? i am so serius i say thiefs op wy you think not???
noob yu say i trol i bet u playing thief or even worse a mesmer wat a noob pls dont talkk to me thanks you

The devs already said that it’s very time-consuming and costs alot of money to develop and design new armor sets. The PvP side of the game is very under-manned and under-financed, so the chances of this happening in the near future are bleak.

wich one is more ops?

cuse i was in the matches, and i face so many stopid mesmers. they spaming stealth using burst no advantage disadvantage i try and kill but they doge me al time. they also has to many invulnrable abilitis. theyre so op they illusions do alot of damage to

also the thieves they hit me one shot i dead dead nochance.
i doge but they spam swoosh swoosh swoosh agan and agan i die((.
they have permannt stealths and they run away wen i try and hit and then wen out of stealths they has full hps.

im sry but mesmers and tieves are op. pls fix this becase i dunt lik plying game and not just me lots people. D;

I honestly don’t give a baby cat… It’s 7 months into release of a game that took 6 years to develop, and they don’t have the core features that most Free To Play mini games have in beta.

@Xeph..

It was well known that the leaderboards were already being implemented. All they’re telling us here is that they won’t be ready by March 26th, and that they need another week ( + no final date was given).

They’re not gonna reset the ratings… They already did that once last patch.

This is the logic that ANET is so good at.
The leaderboards will be “activated” on the 26th, but will not be visible.
What is the kittening point of announcing that they will be ‘activated’ if they aren’t visible. Haven’t they been active this whole time?

You best infract this one, CC Jamalanga Eva.

In response to Follidus:

The way I remember it, was that Gasmask’s team beat you, and Java went ape kitten and decided to call the team on “Hiatus”. You guys kept trying to change comps to find one that could counter the new comps you were facing, but weren’t successful due to only 2 players on the team actually being GOOD (one of them was a stationary truck that had no gamesense, no map awareness, and no ability to play any other class).

You can talk about how Elementalists aren’t op or how people didn’t know how to play against them… but every single time I’ve faced you while you were running a balanced comp, you would get destroyed. It happened with PZ before they ran the cheese, and it happened in TP NA one too many times.

The rangers were not easy targets, because while having no stun breakers, they do have access to an INSANE amount of dodges… Land one stun, and you have either of the eles, or the guardian peeling for him and that nullifies it. Also, while targetting the rangers, it would allow the eles to freely counter pressure with no problems. If you knew anything, you would have known that the strat most players went for was to go for either Powerr or Skovex (mostly Powerr) in most cases, since the eles are the ones that are able to apply the most pressure.

PZ has consistently made the game of Guild Wars —> Build Wars. They could never rely on their mechanical skill and always had to rely on Bugs/Cheesy comps in order to win. Every time they start losing, they switch up their comp in order to compensate for their obvious lack of skill. PZ was a plague to the PvP community… making the game unenjoyable to everyone around.

Also, I like how you use the word “bombarding”.
And tell me what I made up about you or PZ. Everything I stated was fact and truth. A lot of people just don’t want to tell you off because you’re a nice guy, but there’s no need to call me a liar.

Follidus.8027:

Tell “hot join players” they don’t have an opinion because they die to thieves and mesmers without a clue of how to beat it.

Tell everyone that X is overpowered because you die to X without a clue of how to beat it after a week.

Forget about grudges, this thread is asinine, asi-ten, asi-eleven, asi-twelve.

Stop talking out of your kitten, please.
It’s a well known fact that Elementalists and Rangers are on the top of the food chain, and PZ ran 2 x each of those classes.
The only time PZ has ever run a balanced comp was when they were getting destroyed by pugs. There was about a week where they were doing goodd with a balanced comp, until they lost to a certain team 3 times in a row and went on “Hiatus” again because Java can’t stand losing.

To put it bluntly, it wasn’t that no one knew how to deal with Elementalists and Rangers. It was generally agreed between the very knowledgeable and experienced players that Elementalists were not a bit, but kitteningly OP, and Rangers were just below them.
It took a new brand of class/spec to wipe you from the map, because PZ didn’t know how to deal with something completely different ( condi-nade engis ), and instead of trying to adapt, you quit. Nuff said.

The amount of sarcasm in this thread is exceeding expectations.
Nerds can only express themselves via sarcasm because deep down they don’t feel as though their opinions really have any validation.
MISSTALK, WRONG CHAT

Neglekt pretty much said it all. You’d be just as frustrated if you were here.

That’s why I spend my days trolling the forums, trying to grab CC Eva’s attention (CC Eva, I love you (kisses and smooches)).

P.S Welcome back, to the forums at least.

Expansive.3716:

Lopez.7369:

mbh.8301:

5 people cap one point and then lose the game because they’re too used to playing a mario cart version of the game in hot join.

Mario Kart takes way more skill than hotjoin. It might take more skill than tournaments.

LMAO

I have to say though that this thread shouldn’t have gotten that much of a reaction. There are always threads like this being created, claiming that one set of people are superior to others.

I wish that we’d simply have a game mode that would truly display the different professions builds in a manner that can make balancing better and more transparent.

Hotjoin and tPVP doesn’t do that imo, especially when taking into consideration that you’re also balancing for pve and wvw too.

Again, it’s not about one set of people being superior to another. It’s about what the game’s Pv kitten upposed to be designed around.

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