Guild Wars 2

Oh, I don’t take it serious at all – first it is a game, and second, this is why the developers put 3 servers against one another – it is back to the old saying – when 2 guys quarrel madly over an object, a third person gains it

Besides, I was just going with the flow – I don’t see why the HoD guy was suggesting to ET to stop attacking HoD. That’s like saying let’s both attack FC and then we will get all that we want – HoD stays in 1st place, ET gets second.

I really like how ET plays – they just fight, protect their own and don’t care whom are they fighting – they just do their best, and sometimes they do it darn well. It is pretty much what FC did when we were dead last.

Dear HoD and ET – if you meet each other on our FC turf, would you kindly exterminate one another, rather than both attack us in perfect unison?

(this was the 5th case this day – here ET defended, HoD attacked us and then went to capture Titan camp and some other stuff)

In any case, we got both, but it was rather fun to watch

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Dobri.9804:

It is easy to win when you have the numbers. It is much harder when you do not. Like us.

From what I can tell,. FC actually has the highest WvW pop of all three servers fighting in T8.

And you honestly believe that?

A green shirt is never easy to keep unless you have overwhelming numbers. I am sure all of us in FC will find out now. It pretty much paints a bulls-eye on your keeps and camps cause everyone wants to be green. However I am sure that our commanders are up to the challenge.

This is not possible even in theory. Currently FC has a rating of 931, HOD has 909 and ET is at 906. This means they have to regain 11 pts of rating and in the same time FC to lose just as much for no reason. I doubt this can be done in a day before the reset.

At least after a long time, FC can enjoy green for a change.

Well, the way it looks in the scores, HoD picked themselves up from last in the last 2 days – so if the ratings they the same, only FC and HoD will change the colors.

Since it is back to my night shift routine, I didn’t have much time in WvW (only like 2 hours), but I saw much more HOD’s there than before, and it is always a good sign. A praise goes to ET as well, going directly for our FC Garrison and actually taking it was a darn gutsy move.

I personally disagree that tactics don’t play a role. Sending an enemy zerg on a wild goose chase while capping something where the enemy doesn’t expect you to strike is very enjoyable. I get that many servers are just way too used to having enormous zergs, but in the lower tiers, it is much less so. It is here where tactics do manage to win battles. When a server has good map coverage, of course you will feel that numbers win wars. Being an SF you know that darn well – cause when you outnumber your pitiful ET and FC opponents 2 to 1 (combined), then your victory is very much in the cards. However, when you have to play against similar numbers, things get different.

As for the zerg, Ungood, I may have over exaggerated a bit, but when you see a vast sea of red names when the door gets destroyed, you hardly have a time to pause the game and start counting. However, I am darn sure it was over 20, cause the names were stretching from the gate to the ledge. Anyways, no need to quibble about past events, I was just giving an example why people shouldn’t get disheartened when things don’t go their way.

I can assure you, when FC hit the bottom and stayed there for 9 weeks, it was pretty much the same – there was more petty bickering than actual WvWing, while SF & ET were rampaging through our lands.

Many people left, and I would lie if I say I didn’t thought of doing so too, but I couldn’t bring myself to leave my friends at FDM. So I stayed and now I am glad I did.

Every server goes through ups and downs. It is quite normal. There is no need for the players of HoD to jump ship just yet. Do your best to stay strong and positive – and keep in mind that it is the victories against overwhelming odds that people remember – not a 5 man party killing an upleveled toon.

OMG, those freaking weeks of hell… I couldn’t have put it better. For 9 weeks in a row, FC was the bottom feeder, and lots of good players went off to look for “greener” pastures (pun intended), and even more just reverted to the good old PvE, cause WvW meant being summarily slaughtered as soon as you leave your Citadel. This is what I meant by saying that FC was the worst server. I, personally, don’t like to fool myself that we weren’t. Nevertheless, that made every single victory that much sweeter, and quite honestly, I remember most of those victories – like 7 ppl with 4 arrow carts defending garrison vs. 30+ ET zerg in the last mins before reset and pushing them back; or capturing SM from SF – or even the time when we kicked SF in the rear end in another battle for SM just to see ET stealing the prize from us.

However, I am certain that many people who didn’t leave are more than pleased by the way things are going now. I just hope HoD will find the same resolve to drive them back up the rankings.

Of course, as we aren’t doing it all… HoD has higher population than FC and ET and I see nothing that merits their strike… I just hope they will be back next week. 1 vs 1 is no fun, ANet made it WvWvW for a reason.

My name is Dobri, I am from the FDM Guild on Ferguson’s Crossing, I have started playing GW2 in January 2013, and I play WvW with various characters: Taerima, Dobchan, Xeona Shadow, Bormashinata, etc. (just for reference)

I understand how you feel. Having that wicked sense of being double teamed is terrible on a number of levels. It is disheartening, it dampens the spirits, it destroys morale, it makes you shove the game in the drawer, de-install it, and go play something else because there are tons of good games out there too. No one needs such frustration. People play games for fun, not to get humiliated. Believe me, I have been there. And I have stories to tell.

FC was the worst server for a long time. I remember that we weren’t able to get out of our own citadel for days and days in a row because we were summarily ganked by Eredon Terrace and Sorrow’s Furnace. I remember seeing FC’s current score in WvW as a single digit – even a 0! I remember ending a day with single digit WvW bonuses for PvE, barely past Artisan. I remember not being able to kill a yak in our borderland without a few players from ET and/or SF guarding it and looking for easy badges and kills. I remember being reduced to ninja-ing camps, just to see them flipped over just a minute later, in essence not even close affecting the WvW score.

And one more, my worst memory ever. I remember trying to kill a guard in FC BL, when I was zerged by 5-6 SF players from the same guild who downed me, intentionally let me rally, downed me again, let me rally, downed me again, and after the next rally, finally killed me. The closest analogy to that is a cat, playing with a crippled mouse and enjoying its agony. You can imagine how terrible that is. If that isn’t going to break someone’s spirit and make him swear off WvW or even the game itself, then nothing will.

HoD is a great server. I have guested on it quite a bunch of times when FC’s times were bad to do some dungeons and open waypoints in areas that no FC foot was willing to step (mainly cause I am EU and during my daytime the server looked like a desert, even LA), it has spirit, and your LA is full of helpful people. It is also much better populated than FC or ET, and is surely full of people who can make a difference.

I sincerely ask of you guys – rally, and come back strong next week. I am sure you can do better than to go on a strike. You have good commanders, and you have good WvWers and PvPers. It is never over till it’s over. I am an FC guy. I know that. I saw that. I lived it.

Please do the honorable thing and come back strong. We will welcome you back and give you a good fight.

Looking forward to new match-ups with you folks,
Dobri

We were in the same position not long ago but we never stopped doing WvW. FC was bottom for a long time with SF & ET ravaging our lands at will. To us it also looked like SF and ET never had a go at each other…

This is getting kinda weird… If you look at the US Matchups (http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA), ET need to drop the rating of HoD just a tad more, and our tier standings will go haywire. I don’t think I have ever seen something like this happening.

This explains it, but I don’t really get it: how come HoD suddenly went on a strike? What happened?

This is exactly what I mean. ET probably sees that a lot too… I was so used to that icon when FC was hitting the lowest of low, so I got used to it. It still gives me the creeps, but it can also be very motivating :P For Narniaaaaaa… um, FC!

I completely agree that makes sense. It is downright disheartening to see an Outnumbered icon at your spawn point. Heck, this is YOUR freaking land You are supposed to defend and govern it, and you are outnumbered THERE? Why not just go to LA, port to Southsun and go make a few gold pieces than do WvW? I honestly wonder how many people think like that when they see this.

We will see, only time will tell. There is also a rumor that server colors will be rotated. That will really help the lowest tiers by making it more fun. I was so confused when FC got out of the Red zone. As if someone had tampered with my GPS

People who brag about that just hurt the community. Everyone knows that killing a lowbie isn’t that big of a feat. They own ego is their undoing, so… Why care what such a player has to say? It is already obvious what he/she represents.

You don’t make a good story if you say you’ve killed 200 upleved characters in one day… There are better stories around, just read through the server battle topics.

Better populated servers will make Castle(s) (SM) harder to take. Just ask yourself those 3 simple things:

1. What % of the server’s population plays WvW? (check population, divide by a number of your choosing… I think no more than 10% is active in WvW throughout the day)
2. How many major guilds are dedicated to WvW? (check major guild population and its main goals – there are 300+ man guild that are PvE, Dungeons, etc. oriented and don’t give a “kitten” for WvW)
3. Are there any proven commanders?

And then you will know

It just shows you are a good enough player to accomplish that and the defending server has nothing to do about it. Those things should be available in a game – meaning one man making a difference. It forges stories to share with your friends and makes the game that more exciting. Well, unless you have an ego problem, in which case you go on a bragging spree… However, so far I am very pleased with the community in the lowest tiers – apart from some jokes and other “infractions”, people tend to appreciate the tactics, the ideas and the battles fought. I like that too, regardless the server one represents. This forges a great spirit that can make even defeat feel good. In the end, it is only a game and it is what we get from it that sinks in

Awesome one, but how about one where they kick the boss out the window and put Devon Carter in his place?

It is highly unlikely. WvWvW must account for the players that can participate in it, because, as a person in the lowest tier like me (I am FC) you know what it means to see an Outnumbered icon in YOUR OWN Borderlands. If you think HoD has few players in WvW, just come see the situation here.

It is then that you will account for how many people play PvE and don’t even care about WvW or PvP. FC and ET are really badly hit by that wave of players. Might help you if you check the server population too.

What will the lowest tiers do then? On the lowest tiers, especially at night (for USA) there are barely like 10 active players on the map If it takes 8 to retake a camp, 16 to retake a keep and 30 to retake a garrison, you have just doomed the weakest servers to an era of mediocrity.

If that goes out, the first thing I will do is get my toughest character and transmute him into Level 1-looking gear. Everyone will think I am an upleveled newbie and everyone will take me as a prime target. Then good luck punching through my 3.5k armor and 28k HP. Then I will transmute my lvl 80 Thief in L1 gear, and finally, my Warrior.

I think things are ok as they are. In the end, WvWvW is a place for high-level toons, once they can make a difference. I personally admire people who show up upleveled, I have done it plenty of times, as those people care about the server and don’t mind being killed. Or, well, just wish a lot of quick levels. Either way they help.

Be careful what you wish for

It is always easy to kitten an underpopulated server. Even if 10% of the people that HoD has more than FC show up, that is a serious zerg in itself that both FC and ET can’t easily muster. No biggie anyway, as server populations grow by the day. In addition to that I’d say that FC probably has the best commanders around. We are always mobile and agile and rarely turtle. WvW is always fun in FC – one day you gain some, one day you lose some. Big deal – this is a game and it should be treated as such

I’d add that the biggest advantage of FC is that it has WvW players from all over the world. We FC people always do our best despite the odds. USA night time is never a problem for FC. In addition to that, our wvw population grew dramatically lately. We are still very much underpopulated… But we sure give it our all.

Just jumping in to say GREAT WORK to all of the FC players last night (for US, it was morning for me). This is the best I have seen FC managing in a day’s work, and everything was so well organized, coordinated and fought. Kudos to the 5-6 FC defenders of the ET garrison, who held out and made runs into the enemy when the door was down to 10% to prevent them from capturing it, and eventually fought the 20+ ET force and pushed them back, after getting a few more players as reinforcements. This was one of the most memorable battles I have been in.

Also great job from HoD for keeping Jerr last night. Very bravely fought. It was a story to tell, even if that garrison is holding my last undiscovered POI and Vista >.<

With all due respect for ET, it was not long ago when ET was calling FC losers and bragging around. However, after playing for hours and hours in WvW, I could not shake the feeling that FC players have much better togetherness and team spirit. They help each other, take the heat if necessary so that a few can run and survive, and assist each other in battles. Heck, they even stay together and die together in a hopeless battle. That’s spirit for you.

Keep it up, guys, always a pleasure WvW-ing with all of you.

Let’s face it, it will be hard for SF to go up the ratings if the same system persists. However, I didn’t see any decent proposals for improving the system. It is not the system’s fault that server transfers left FC and ET so underpopulated. In my eyes, it is working as intended. Besides, if you wish to blame someone maybe SF are to blame for dropping into T8 in the first place.

Maybe if the population of ET and FC continues to decline, the 2 servers may be merged to make a more cohesive force to fight SF and thus fix the Glicko situation.

Well, frustration can sometimes breed some awesome moments. Like holding your garrison with like 15 people vs at least 60 man zerg and winning while outnumbered 4 to 1

It was a decent tactical decision by ET, hitting a garrison in the last mins before reset is good, but once again their reputation of charging in without thinking has been rightfully earned. A zerg ca also be wiped if you’re not careful.

Join FC Why? Here’s the top 10 reasons to do so!

1. You dislike carelessly mashing buttons and spamming skills cause you know you will win anyway and there is no point in targeting or paying attention to what happens.
2. You don’t like to be some “newly promoted commander with minimal experience’s” lapdog who runs for the stick regardless where it’s thrown or thrown at.
3. You like participating in coordinated moves that bring fruit in the end.
4. You like beating the enemy with guile, cunning, wits and strategy, rather than just go zerg ‘em.
5. You already know you are a great player and you want to prove it by fighting against a stronger opposition.
6. You are not scared to hold a garrison with only 2-3 fellow WvW players vs 20-30 man zerg and laugh as you see them getting downed cause they just run around aimlessly following someone.
7. You don’t whine when you get killed by a zerg a few times. You like rallying back at citadel, giving info where the zerg was and joining another to go hunt the imposters down.
8. You are ready to storm the keep/garrison/tower/castle protected by a swarm of enemies without fear.
9. You are ready to risk it and assault SM with your fellow guildsmen without caring about the consequences. You die a glorious death, but you take a lot of enemies down with you. That is worthy of a Klingon opera!!!
10. You don’t go to the toilet just to stay with your zerg and in the end graciously wave your banner over Stonemist castle with your fellow FC players. Then you go and have the best leak of your life

With all due respect, I find the “chance to play around with new strategies with less numbers” argument somewhat blunt. Each and every user on this forum is keenly aware that if you outnumber someone 3 or 4 to 1 in a combat (as it usually is the case with SF), you are going to win no matter what – unless the third party jumps in and steals your prize.

In addition to that, the volatility of weaker servers is big, as many people think that it is no fun at all getting beat up all the time, and I know for a fact that many from FC went to SF or higher ranked server. There is never a day when I hear someone whining how bad WvW for weaker servers is. Especially when you can’t leave your spawn point cause SF is all around your citadel and you can’t even put your foot out without being trounced by 15-20 man zerg. Nobody likes to lose.

To conclude, in my opinion, the best chance to save WvW is to make something like a championship with server rotation based on the population, WvW activity, and char level. It is downright unfair to expect a 600-player server to compete vs 1000 player one. Even if both servers have like 33% of their population devoted to WvW, that is still 200 vs 333. Nice odds, isn’t it? It’s even worse when you see a 20-man lvl 80 zerg fighting 10 upleveled players following a single lvl 80 commander. Who will win?

And fighting against insurmountable odds and much better populated servers fuels mine

A thanks from me too Today is probably the first day I saw FC hit +340. Glad to have joined the big party and too bad I couldn’t take that Golem suit home… And my stash blew up with it too

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Le sigh, another week of destroying ET/FC and losing rating. Looks like that’s what’ll happen this week as well.

I thought people were having fun destroying the weakest servers available. Your server has the whole map like 70% of the time. I don’t see why are you displeased. FC and ET should be the ones to whine.