Guild Wars 2

Emapudapus.1307:

Hello ppl, i just created simple voting poll to see your opinion about this topic, just for fun ofc.

http://poll.pollcode.com/ttb2am

that poll is worthless seeing as you can vote an infinite amount of times.

yep. pretty random numbers. they have guild wars 1 in the top 5 and it’s not even an mmo.

Astralporing.1957:

El Hefe.2814:

krookie.6378:

El Hefe.2814:

nope. the game should be challenging.

Challenge doesn’t have to revolve around gear. Challenge has to do with actual game mechanics. Powerful gear does not make the content challenging, it actually makes it easier.

don’t puts words in my mouth. i think gear should be challenging to get. never did mention power.

Why in order for game to be challenging the challenge must necessarily involve the gear? Chess is a challenging game, and yet you don’t have to grind for better pieces and board n order to defeat better opponents.

i never said it did. the game can have all kind of challenge. but gear should also be challenging to get. because whatever it takes to get that gear should be challenging. i’ve never said anything about grind. i do not think grind is challenge. do not assume im saything something im not. “gear should be challenging to get”. there is no power or grind in that sentance.

krookie.6378:

El Hefe.2814:

nope. the game should be challenging.

Challenge doesn’t have to revolve around gear. Challenge has to do with actual game mechanics. Powerful gear does not make the content challenging, it actually makes it easier.

don’t puts words in my mouth. i think gear should be challenging to get. never did mention power.

nope. the game should be challenging.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

I’m hoping the Wintersday is a light, fluffy affair with less world-ending overtones as the last events.

with all the complaining we’ll be lucky if we get anymore content to enjoy.

tigirius.9014:

Well for one thing, if you were paying attention you would know that the complaints weren’t about grinding, they are all about forcing a single gameplay style, making crafting obsolete and useless, making all the material that we need to craft even the infused runes drop solely in a single dungeon, and breaking their word (manifesto).

GW2 players don’t mind the grind as evidenced by the large number of people buying this game to farm mats to craft, farm karma to buy gear. People don’t mind running dungeons as an OPTION either. It’s when it’s the ONLY option that it becomes a problem.

That’s the issue. Not that they added a new tier (because there was a gap).

the content is optional. no one is forcing anything. if you don’t want to do it, don’t. they’ve also stated that there will be other ways to obtain the gear. just do what you find fun. the gear doesn’t matter. it’s not required.

NaughtyProwler.8653:

Zinkey.6983:

Columba.9730:

It isn’t speculation. They’ve plainly stated their intentions.

The actual stats of the items, how they are to be obtained, when they are to be introduced is all speculation. It is also not in the game yet, so is irrelevant as my post is about how this affects the game right now.

Talk about the present all you want. This isn’t about a single patch with 3 slots of gear, it’s about the slippery slope that follows once you are going down that path.

If the difference is 2% now and 10% later, why would I continue to play knowing the gap will only widen over time? They’ve said future ascension gear is coming. Why should I continue to play knowing I’m only going to fall further and further behind? Why would I support this company with my pocket book when I’m considered a 2nd class customer because I can’t devote hundreds of hours to this game?

Argue all you want about the present, but some of us think further ahead than that. I won’t support a game that puts me further and further behind the longer it exists. If I wanted that, I would play WoW.

the main reason to play a game is, fun. if you aren’t having fun then there is no reason to continue.

Ganzo.5079:

El Hefe.2814:

Ganzo.5079:

El Hefe.2814:

Godorn.2931:

“im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it.”

Apparently, some ppl don’t know how to read. If you want to be able compete in WVW, you are going to have to get Ascend gear because of the increased stats.

If you don’t get it, you will always be at a disadvantage. Thats not a far and level playing ground. I’m not interested in that, but you go ahead and keep paying them for more gear grind that will eventually end up in WVW.

so fighting lvl 2’s at lvl 80 is a fair and level playing ground? wvw is imbalanced.

Lol you seem a broken record.
A lvl 2 player on WvW KNOW THAT IS NOT ABLE TO COMPETE WITH A LVL 80 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME, it go on WvW on its own risk.

A lvl 80 with exo vs a lvl 80 with ascendent, its the real unbalance. its so hard to understand?

how is it anymore imbalanced than a lvl 80 in rares vs an 80 in exotics?

have you look some values before talk? i guess no, otherwise you would not have posted this.

you’re right i don’t know the values. i could have said a lvl 80 in uncommon gear. or lvl 80 in lvl 76 gear. it doesnt matter. the fact remains that wvw has never been balanced and never will be.

Ganzo.5079:

El Hefe.2814:

Godorn.2931:

“im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it.”

Apparently, some ppl don’t know how to read. If you want to be able compete in WVW, you are going to have to get Ascend gear because of the increased stats.

If you don’t get it, you will always be at a disadvantage. Thats not a far and level playing ground. I’m not interested in that, but you go ahead and keep paying them for more gear grind that will eventually end up in WVW.

so fighting lvl 2’s at lvl 80 is a fair and level playing ground? wvw is imbalanced.

Lol you seem a broken record.
A lvl 2 player on WvW KNOW THAT IS NOT ABLE TO COMPETE WITH A LVL 80 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME, it go on WvW on its own risk.

A lvl 80 with exo vs a lvl 80 with ascendent, its the real unbalance. its so hard to understand?

how is it anymore imbalanced than a lvl 80 in rares vs an 80 in exotics?

Godorn.2931:

“im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it.”

Apparently, some ppl don’t know how to read. If you want to be able compete in WVW, you are going to have to get Ascend gear because of the increased stats.

If you don’t get it, you will always be at a disadvantage. Thats not a far and level playing ground. I’m not interested in that, but you go ahead and keep paying them for more gear grind that will eventually end up in WVW.

so fighting lvl 2’s at lvl 80 is a fair and level playing ground? wvw is imbalanced.

Corvindi.5734:

El Hefe.2814:

Corvindi.5734:

El Hefe.2814:

if you don’t find the fotm dungeon fun. don’t do it. the gear you get from it allows you to progress in it. it’s not required to have fun.

You don’t play WvW, do you? You don’t seriously PvP in any game, do you? If you did, you would know that even small differences in gear stats matter. And the difference between Ascended and Exotic isn’t small and will get larger with every new piece of Ascended that is released.

wvw is already unbalanced. lvl 2’s can fight lvl 80’s.

They can, but not well. Not 1v1. But there was a short end to that for anyone who wanted to reach max level and farm exotics in a matter of days (or less, many people had most of what they needed saved by the time they got to level 80). And no dungeons were required to reach that parity.

The Ascended armor has changed all of that.

so it’s more acceptable and fair that a lvl 80 can face a lvl 2 in WvW, then it is for a lvl 80 with +5 stats to fight another lvl 80? or what about the full exotic 80’s against fresh 80’s with rares on. because “even the small differences in gear stats matter”. but they didnt for the first 10weeks. it was acceptable. anet has also told you that this new gear will be available in wvw at some point. no dungeons required.

@Doolio – no your p.p.s sums it up pretty good. it’s so simple it’s confusing. just play til your not having fun anymore.

Corvindi.5734:

El Hefe.2814:

if you don’t find the fotm dungeon fun. don’t do it. the gear you get from it allows you to progress in it. it’s not required to have fun.

You don’t play WvW, do you? You don’t seriously PvP in any game, do you? If you did, you would know that even small differences in gear stats matter. And the difference between Ascended and Exotic isn’t small and will get larger with every new piece of Ascended that is released.

wvw is already unbalanced. lvl 2’s can fight lvl 80’s.

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

And what if a part of the game you like is suddenly off limits to you because you don’t meet the gear requirement?

i guess i’d figure out what the gear req. was and what i’d need to do to get it.

And you are ok with that? If it constantly happens, over and over and over again, with every new patch the type of content you liked requires you get the gear from the last patch only to give you new gear that will be required in a latter patch? And you would be ok doing that OVER and OVER again, just to get that new piece of gear? [/quote]

if what ever it took to get the gear was fun. i’d do it. if im not having fun then why am i playing? just for gear? no. i play games for fun.

Mountain Man.7901:

El Hefe.2814:

phooka.4295:

xiv.7136:

Xpiher.5209:

There isn’t any YET. New content will require you to be geared in agony resistance to do it.

So you’re concerned about something that hasn’t happened, that hasn’t been announced and is clearly not going to happen?

Sigh.

When the new gear was announced, it was said that there would be a point beyond which you won’t be able to advance without it.

for the new dungeon right? if you want to do the new dungeon you can.

Not just new dungeons. Future content as well:

This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game. Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

Note that infusions aren’t simply to “give you an edge” but are required to complete the Fractal of the Mists dungeon. It’s rather obvious from that quote that the majority of future content will be locked behind gear-checks, which pretty much does away with ArenaNet’s promise of no-grind horizontal progression.

You have to be deliberately obtuse not to recognize this.

if you don’t find the fotm dungeon fun. don’t do it. the gear you get from it allows you to progress in it. it’s not required to have fun.

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And what if a part of the game you like is suddenly off limits to you because you don’t meet the gear requirement? [/quote]

i guess i’d figure out what the gear req. was and what i’d need to do to get it.

Logun.2349:

El Hefe.2814:

the gear is optional. not required. just do the stuff you find fun. you said you like “open world multi-player events”. good. the new gear is not required to do that.

Not required yet, but once the full set becomes available the endgame zones are going to need to have a power increases to ensure they don’t become trivial.

Everyone wants a path to the best stuff in the game, a few days ago Arena Net seemed to respect that today not so much. So the games appeal has demised.

You didn’t answer my question about PvP do you like PvP, or here’s another one. What if they made you complete every jumping puzzle in the game to get the components you need to mystic forge yourself up a piece of your Ascended gear ….what then how would you feel about it then?

Today the game is less because they pigeonholed me into game play I don’t care for.

can you not do DE’s anymore? the events now require this new gear? if your asking me what i would and wouldnt do for new gear, i play the game to have fun. i do things i find fun. i don’t do things i don’t find fun. don’t really know how to answer other than that.

The question were not that hard, Do you like to PvP/WvW , Do you like jumping puzzles? …… and I’ll add one more, Do you like making your character as powerful as they can be?

i find parts of pve, spvp, and wvw fun. which i play depends on my mood. im not overly concerned with gear.

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Its not required now, but when the complete ascent set will be finished its will become MANDATORY to be equal to the others players in term of stats.
WvW is the major issue with this, but even normal world content, or dungeon runs will be influenced By this (aka gearscore).
No one say that is require, because its implict!

You love to grind… ok no one force you to not grind. When i was playing WOW (WOTLK to be precise), i grinded with my pally tank all the thrash of ICC alone, to farm items to disenchant, but its was my choice to do that.
Now here, with this new set, we are being forced to grind, for a future mandatory equipment, when it was supposed that this game was grindless (talking about stats)
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but you aren’t being forced. it’s optional. what content requires this new gear? also, WvW has always been unbalanced. you can fight lvl 80’s at lvl 2.

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the gear is optional. not required. just do the stuff you find fun. you said you like “open world multi-player events”. good. the new gear is not required to do that.

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Not required yet, but once the full set becomes available the endgame zones are going to need to have a power increases to ensure they don’t become trivial.

Everyone wants a path to the best stuff in the game, a few days ago Arena Net seemed to respect that today not so much. So the games appeal has demised.

You didn’t answer my question about PvP do you like PvP, or here’s another one. What if they made you complete every jumping puzzle in the game to get the components you need to mystic forge yourself up a piece of your Ascended gear ….what then how would you feel about it then?

Today the game is less because they pigeonholed me into game play I don’t care for.
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can you not do DE’s anymore? the events now require this new gear? if your asking me what i would and wouldnt do for new gear, i play the game to have fun. i do things i find fun. i don’t do things i don’t find fun. don’t really know how to answer other than that.

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

Xandax.1753:

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

Exactly my issue as well.
And it will spill into WvW as well making PvE needed for WvW.
If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Its not necessary YET. ANET said it will be in the future. Content gating has been introduced to GW2

still waiting for the required quote.

I already gave it to you.

El Hefe.2814:

phooka.4295:

xiv.7136:

Xpiher.5209:

There isn’t any YET. New content will require you to be geared in agony resistance to do it.

So you’re concerned about something that hasn’t happened, that hasn’t been announced and is clearly not going to happen?

Sigh.

When the new gear was announced, it was said that there would be a point beyond which you won’t be able to advance without it.

for the new dungeon right? if you want to do the new dungeon you can.

If its only limited to one dungeon then its not progression. They already said, as I’ve pointed out in countless threads, that they will be expanding on the agony system in future content updates.

Adding item progression is a delicate process normally undertaken in an expansion, but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later…

So it’s important for us to be able to add an expansion pack’s worth of progression and rewards to support that content[that content being agony system].

This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.

We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features.

That clear enough for you https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

once again. nowhere does it say the gear is required.

phooka.4295:

Jornophelanthas.1475:

People treat their characters as if they are careers, which require lots of chores and busywork to maintain. But it’s so easy to just have fun without worrying about game design philosophies, game design principles and game design visions.

Except when descisions in game design stop me from having fun because my guildmates are running FotM at level 12 and I’m at level 4 because I had RL on the weekend.

i hate to say it because it’s cliche’ but, if your guild isnt willing to help you out, you might want to find some people that will. there are lots of people on this forum saying they can’t find a group. im sure some of them would be willing to group with you. maybe you’ll catch up to your guild or make some new friends.

Logun.2349:

El Hefe.2814:

im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it. the premise is really simple. Play the game for fun. have fun with the game. when you stop having fun take a break. you aren’t being forced to farm/grind or whatever else you want to call it. it’s not required to do anything in the game. so just remember it’s a game, have fun. if your not having fun, take a break. you already bought the game and it will be here when you’re ready to have fun again.

I don’t have a problem with a new level of gear, and I don’t consider it a grind if you’re having fun while working towards an achievement or goal.

But the (FUN) is what they broke about the game for me. See I don’t like dungeons much, I like the open world multi-player events and before this patch I had a fun path to the best gear in the game, now I have to run a dungeon for it.

Karma was the currency of fun, Karma let you play the game and just do what you wanted yet tick you closer to the top achievements just by playing the game. This ended with the introduction of Ascended gear and Infusions.

Now, consider this, what if next month they put in the next 2 pieces of Ascended gear only instead of dungeon runs you have to complete (X) amount of WvW or PvP content achievements. How would you feel then? Many players don’t even touch PvP or WvW and I guaranty a whole new crowed of people would be here complaining about that.

So have some empathy for those players out there that don’t play the game exactly like you or have as much free time as you and understand that a few days ago this game was flexible enough to appeal to more players then it does today, and what you see on the forums is the fallout over this.

the gear is optional. not required. just do the stuff you find fun. you said you like “open world multi-player events”. good. the new gear is not required to do that.

Xandax.1753:

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

Exactly my issue as well.
And it will spill into WvW as well making PvE needed for WvW.
If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Its not necessary YET. ANET said it will be in the future. Content gating has been introduced to GW2

still waiting for the required quote.

Raine.1394:

I believe Anet at one point recognized that “grindy” games were not fun. Anet was right and issue of “fun” is actually the main thing driving the forums right now. The forums will settle down when Anet reads their marketing and says hey, these are really good ideas; man, the game would be pure fun without a gear grind!

the grind is for those that find it fun. completely optional for those that don’t. same for de’s, hearts, dungeons, jump puzzles, crafting, etc. find what you enjoy and have fun.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Kasama.8941:

This is what I say all the time to other players myself. But it’s astounding the amount of MMO players who doesn’t know the difference between chore and fun, because they have long forgotten the reason why they started playing games in the first place. The other day I went on a “farm run” with my guild, just to see what it was all about, but half way trough I was too far behind them because I kept getting sidetracked, and because it was stupidly boring. Running around in a circle collecting mats for an hour. Why?! I could have spend that time play Worlds PvP, or anything ells that’s not a chore. People don’t think about what their are doing. But, to each their own..

Agreed. Everyone and their dog are getting on their high horse about “game design philosophy” and “the direction to doom the game is taking”, but they completely forget that the end goal here is just their own entertainment.

People treat their characters as if they are careers, which require lots of chores and busywork to maintain. But it’s so easy to just have fun without worrying about design philosophy and game direction.

im glad there are at least a few that understand.

Ragman.1690:

But some people care about how the game they play evolves, especially when it deviates from core principles and the initial vision.

how did it deviate from core principles and the initial vision?

Amen.2630:

Fozzik.1742:

exatly this is the MAIN point here,
we were promised this game would be for everyone! even for the people with a real life! with a job! with a family!

not only for those who can come and play for one-time events on specific time zones,

not only for grinders

not only for those who love dungeons with pugs

it still is for everyone. just do the things you find fun. nothing in this game is required.

Harbard.5738:

If things keep going this way, WvW will have an increasing gear gap. Every new content patch you’ll be weaker than the braindead carrot chasers and you’ll start getting stomped. Then you have two options: playing in an increasingly unfair WvW where leveling there is not even a possibility anymore or grind the kitten out with your chars.

WvW has always been unbalanced. you can enter at lvl 2 and fight lvl 80’s.

phooka.4295:

xiv.7136:

Xpiher.5209:

There isn’t any YET. New content will require you to be geared in agony resistance to do it.

So you’re concerned about something that hasn’t happened, that hasn’t been announced and is clearly not going to happen?

Sigh.

When the new gear was announced, it was said that there would be a point beyond which you won’t be able to advance without it.

for the new dungeon right? if you want to do the new dungeon you can.

Xpiher.5209:

El Hefe.2814:

Xpiher.5209:

Ryuujin.8236:

Can someone just clarify this for me: What changed?

People are saying the game is no longer fun, but the game that existed before the patch is still here. They simply added new content.

If the old content was fun, why are you trying to do things that are un-fun? Why not stick to the stuff you find to be fun? (I personally hate sPvP so I don’t sPvP. Problem solved)

I already explained it to you. Grinding on a treadmill for hours a day to get the best gear, that will be required for future content, has killed all motivation to play, thus making the rest of the game not fun.

can’t seem to find this ‘required for future content’ info. care to share a link?

Ok

Adding item progression is a delicate process normally undertaken in an expansion, but we feel it’s important to strive to satisfy the basic needs of our players sooner rather than later…

So it’s important for us to be able to add an expansion pack’s worth of progression and rewards to support that content[that content being agony system].

This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.

We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features.

That clear enough for you https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

still looking for the required part. this is required to have fun?

dalendria.3762:

El Hefe.2814:

dalendria.3762:

I bought this game because I believed it would focus on fun. Here is one of the statements that encouraged me to buy it and continue playing it until the recently.

Colin Johanson, Lead Content Designer

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

so you have a problem with legendaries? they aren’t required.

Until the patch….

I had no problems with legendary items. They had the same stats as exotics. So it was my choice, if I went after them or not. Never felt like I had to pursue it and was perfectly happy with the exotic pieces I decided would create the look I wanted.

Post patch….

Legendary weapons are no longer purely optional. Arenanet made it clear they are bumping the stats up to be on par with Ascended. They will now have better stats than my Exotic weapons.

So unless I do not care about falling behind in the game (gear treadmill approach), I have to get them. No longer a choice unless you consider avoiding content and being outmatched due to not having max stats a choice.

I played WOW for 4 years. I had to skip certain end game content because I refused to be forced to grind for each new tier of gear. I paid a monthly subscription but could not participate in content simply because I did not have the “new hotness” gear. I quit WOW and thought I finally found a MMO, GW2, that did not support that approach. I was right until the 11/15 patch.

so a legendary weapon is required now? for which content?

Xpiher.5209:

Ryuujin.8236:

Can someone just clarify this for me: What changed?

People are saying the game is no longer fun, but the game that existed before the patch is still here. They simply added new content.

If the old content was fun, why are you trying to do things that are un-fun? Why not stick to the stuff you find to be fun? (I personally hate sPvP so I don’t sPvP. Problem solved)

I already explained it to you. Grinding on a treadmill for hours a day to get the best gear, that will be required for future content, has killed all motivation to play, thus making the rest of the game not fun.

can’t seem to find this ‘required for future content’ info. care to share a link?

dalendria.3762:

I bought this game because I believed it would focus on fun. Here is one of the statements that encouraged me to buy it and continue playing it until the recently.

Colin Johanson, Lead Content Designer

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

so you have a problem with legendaries? they aren’t required.

Morrigan.2809:

@ E Hefe

I’m sorry but I have to ask- are you stoned?
Because you do not seem to comprehend anything that is being said to you and you answer everyone with exactly the same line regardless of what they actually posted. People have very real reasons for their objections, they answer your post with reason and you say the same thing over and over again.
What is up with that?
If you didn’t want a discussion why start a tread?

i understand what you guys saying. you aren’t having fun. you are upset that guild wars 2 isnt fun for you. im telling you the simple but honest truth. im wondering why you guys don’t understand. it’s a simple question. are you having fun? if you answered no. then take a break from the game.

Melonbrew.9681:

How can you have fun when everyone is now got the gear treadmill in their head.

OH i want to do a dungeon, wait I can’t, everyone is doing FoTM lvl 20 now. I can’t find anyone to do level 1. So just gonna sit around in LA now for weeks on end.

Then you could counter it saying doing it with your guild. Well the argument with that is Find a guild that’s doing PvE dungeons nowadays thats got space and on level 1.

Most guilds that say they do PvE and PvP basiclly just do Wv3 and thats it. Thats my exp with jumping to 5 servers to find a PvE guild.

They have completely removed the ability to take your time and do what you like for PvE and Wv3 players. It’s now World of Guild Wars. Rush to max level or be left behind.

Anet sold this game on, do what you like and won’t be left behind. 3 months on they changed there mind.

I honestly feel like i have been robbed of my £59.99

I know about 10% of most MMO players look at there game forums but look at the number of positive and Negitive threads. Negitive wins by a mile

I am with them. I am off back to WoW once again. I do love that game but I was looking for a more relaxed casual MMO. Guild wars has become a more grind fest than WoW so…….

don’t worry about the people who have ‘geartreadmill’ in their heads. just do what you enjoy doing. the new gear is not required.

cesmode.4257:

Xpiher.5209:

Ryuujin.8236:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

Then go play a game you do enjoy. This isn’t a skinner box.

I’m hoping that ANET will fix the issues that adding in ascended gear, fractal levels without the ability to skip levels, and progression tied to RNG caused. The patch just released, there’s still room for ANET to change it a bit. Thus why I’m on the forums.

If its not changed, or there isn’t any hit of it being changed, in a week or two. I’ll leave GW2 forever.

In one-two weeks I will know. I really hope that I end up choosing GW2 because I absolutely love Tyria, combat, story, and I love the dungeons. Its everything about this most recent patch that derailed it to almost a point of no return for me.

so why not just do those things? skip the stuff you don’t find fun.

TheWarKeeper.5374:

I found the game before ok and now i no longer find it ok nor fun.
If that is hard for some people to understand its their business and i shouldnt take up with their “pretend to be ignorant” talk, if thats not ok with u that core GW1 ppl no longer find GW2 fun then u can either leave or post more educated posts.

if it’s not fun then why play?

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Fozzik.1742:

Please find me the person who thinks it is fun to be ineffective in groups, to be useless in dungeons, and to get stomped repeatedly in WvW? Find me the person who enjoys sitting for hours trying to find a group? In what way is it fun to get left out of new content or the best rewards?

Part of having fun in a game is being effective and useful and sometimes successful. You can’t do any of those things if you are left far behind by the stat treadmill. You won’t get groups and you will be largely ineffective in PvE content. You won’t be useful and will constantly get defeated in WvW. This game requires gear and stats in order to be effective and successful…and ArenaNet just added a huge grind to that requirement with their new tiers of gear and infusions.

I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening, how the game works, or what other people are saying, and that it causes you to be annoyed.

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

you call it grind because you don’t find it fun. some people do. some people are really really dedicated and like to do challenging content. that’s what the fotm dungeon offers. it also lets people jump in and try it and an easier, less dedicated level. in other games Raiding is the endgame. Guild Wars 2 offers other things for ‘end-game’ content. They also now offer more challenging content that those who are dedicated can sink their teeth into.

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it. the premise is really simple. Play the game for fun. have fun with the game. when you stop having fun take a break. you aren’t being forced to farm/grind or whatever else you want to call it. it’s not required to do anything in the game. so just remember it’s a game, have fun. if your not having fun, take a break. you already bought the game and it will be here when you’re ready to have fun again.

Fozzik.1742:

El Hefe.2814:

if you guys feel like you are grinding then take a break. the game is meant to be fun. if you have fun enough times you get a nice reward on-top of the rewards you earned while having fun. there is no reason to ‘grind’ out this gear. the pve in this game isn’t even competitive. so, if you feel yourself grinding, take a step back, take a few days off, and relax. the game is meant to be fun. if you arent having fun, then dont play. it will be here when you get back. free of charge.

Just playing and having fun will never get you the materials you need. Or it will be so time-prohibitive that the game will have moved on by the time you come close to getting the items.

I’ve played (no grinding) for over 450 hours, and I haven’t come close to having a full stack of T6 materials, or the money needed to buy a full stack. So in 450 hours of fun play, I can’t get even ONE of the many items I will need to just keep my head above water stat-wise.

So explain to me again how we don’t have to grind? There is no way at all that a player is going to keep up with this gear treadmill if they don’t focus on collecting those materials, and adjust their play style for greatest acquisition efficiency. In short, you’ve got to grind, or just accept the ever-increasing power gap between the players playing for fun and those who are grinding.

Also, some of the components are rare drops from the new dungeon, forcing players to battle RNG to get what they need. There’s no way to get those items other than repeating the content endlessly. What should a player do if they don’t find the new dungeon fun after the 50th run-through? Should they just quit?

The people who have a problem with this new stat treadmill are the ones who just want to play for fun, and don’t want to get left behind for doing so.

it’s so simple it confusing………..ready…………….wait for it………………………….

PLAY THE GAME FOR FUN. IF YOU AREN’T HAVING FUN THEN TAKE A BREAK.

Morrigan.2809:

El Hefe.2814:

if you guys feel like you are grinding then take a break. the game is meant to be fun. if you have fun enough times you get a nice reward on-top of the rewards you earned while having fun. there is no reason to ‘grind’ out this gear. the pve in this game isn’t even competitive. so, if you feel yourself grinding, take a step back, take a few days off, and relax. the game is meant to be fun. if you arent having fun, then dont play. it will be here when you get back. free of charge.

I think you missed the point, no one in this tread likes to grind.
I do play the game to have fun, sadly now my gear is no longer the best, so that freedom is taken from me and I no longer feel that I have the leisure to pursue my own goals in the game because those now are either obsolete or dictated to me by the new gear tier- you try and explore the world for fun or do DE’s with everyone sucked into The Fractal dungeon.
As for taking a break and coming back- how many tiers will be introduced in the time I’m gone? All this happened over the space of one week- heaven forbid you take a month off, there might not be a game to come back to.
I was having a lot of fun, thanks

all the gear is optional. you can do anything you want with the gear you already have. what is ‘the best gear’? the pve in this game isn’t competitive. it’s meant to be fun. if you aren’t having fun, take a break.

Ragman.1690:

I think you missed the point, this is not about having no fun, this is about a manifesto which stated, that such stuff won’t be in this game.

And these recipes are insane, did you even bother to read the ingredients you need?

you don’t need anything in this game. it’s the most casual mmo every created. the gear is optional. it’s for those that like grinding. the pve in this game is not competitive. nothing is required. you choose what you like. do the things you think are fun. if the recipes seem like a grind to you, don’t do them. do something fun. everything is optional.

Cod Eye.1632:

Take any triple A MMO, there is no grinding compared to GW2, this game has to be the grindiest game I have ever played. Even with the ability to buy of the TP you had to grind for that gold to buy those ingredients.

Even the new gear you have to grind the dungeon to obtain the gear.

if you feel like your grinding, you arent having fun. take some time off. the game will be here when you come back. the pve in this game isn’t competitive. you don’t need this new gear. games are meant to be fun. have fun enough times and you get some nice rewards on-top of the rewards you earned whle having fun. take a deep breath, relax, remember that games are fun. if you feel like you are grinding, maybe it’s time to take a break. you already own the game, it will still be here when you are ready to have fun again.

if you guys feel like you are grinding then take a break. the game is meant to be fun. if you have fun enough times you get a nice reward on-top of the rewards you earned while having fun. there is no reason to ‘grind’ out this gear. the pve in this game isn’t even competitive. so, if you feel yourself grinding, take a step back, take a few days off, and relax. the game is meant to be fun. if you arent having fun, then dont play. it will be here when you get back. free of charge.

Dee Jay.2460:

Allow me to preface this by defining what I mean with grinding:

Grinding is repeating the same activity over and over again, not because you enjoy doing it but because the rewards bring you closer to whatever goal you’ve set for yourself. Ergo, the goal/reward is what drives you, not the activity itself.

Now I’ve played my fair share of MMOs ranging from DAOC over WoW to WAR, SWTOR and finally Guild Wars 2. All had their merits and all had their flaws.

I’ve never been drawn into the idea of having multiple characters so I tend to be very focused on endgame in every MMO I play.

And yet in the 3 months I have played Guild Wars 2, I think I have grinded more than I have every grinded in any of the aforementioned games.

I’m not hating it or anything, but for a game that sold itself on the idea of being grindless…that’s a pretty hefty fault.

if you feel like you are grinding you aren’t having fun. take a break, then try again.

MrsAngelD.6971:

El Hefe.2814:

isn’t it just a bunch of mini-dungeons form the pve areas mahsed together?

They require a tight group to complete, my guildies and I area headed into difficulty 2 just now. The Mechanics are quite good.

that’s fine. but it didnt answer my question.

isn’t it just a bunch of mini-dungeons form the pve areas mahsed together?