Guild Wars 2

How this can explode into 10 pages of discussion eludes me. :U

JQ’s PVP guild should rename themselves to ZVP (Zerg VS. Player). Chasing down 1 player with over 10 people from North to South must have given you quite a sense of accomplishment that you will reject my party invite. I guess shame still works its fair bit of work on you in that aspect.

I haven’t read anything but wow… sounds like a complaint about PvP in a PvP zone. HOW DARE THEY!

This whole fiasco… is there a chick involved? :C

The tears… Wonderful. Bravo. Splendid.

Seeing some warped sense of achievement from TC in TCBL. Not sure why spamming laugh and corpse jumping was performed by them while having 4 times the numbers.

Regardless, thanks for the good fun.

Thank you SoS for ever being a good sport and bringing 30 odd plus to zerg 5 people.

It has been fun.

Not enough drama on this thread. Please start some.

Entioch.6594:

Escthiil.3210:

Saiki.5147:

Congratz to all pricks from NOPE (FA) for killing players on JP. You are lame.

Hi. I’m from NOPE and we would just like to apologize for making your gaming experience an unpleasant one. However, all the current kitten we can give are queued for other people with similar predicaments as you. Good day.

OMG, you stole my thing, THAT kitten IS TRADEMARKED SOLORIS.

LOL. BUT I LOVE IT, AYNK. <3

Saiki.5147:

Congratz to all pricks from NOPE (FA) for killing players on JP. You are lame.

Hi. I’m from NOPE and we would just like to apologize for making your gaming experience an unpleasant one. However, all the current kitten we can give are queued for other people with similar predicaments as you. Good day.

That was fun. Thanks for the fights.

Skirmish right outside FA spawn-Vale-Briar was really fun. Looking forward to more of those.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

I’d like to add that the person who trash talked me from shatter inc. also posted a fake LFG for me. Classy guild, they are.

Same thing happened to me multiple times today. People putting up fake LFGs in my name. I wouldn’t say who, but from inference, probably the exact guild you mentioned as well.

Is this the TS you are talking about? Looks like they have more than one negative characteristic.

Asbrandr.6324:

Escthiil.3210:

timidobserver.7925:

kylia.4813:

Shiren.9532:

I don’t see any FA towers on TC bl. I don’t see any TC towers on FA bl. I see plenty of both on SoS bl. It’s fun having a tier 4 (should have gone to tier 3) server in tier 2 isn’t it? Let’s not pretend anyone on either side is looking for a good fight.

If SoS stood a chance of rallying this weekend, the approach both FA and TC have taken to SoS bl is preventing it from happening.

Let’s talk meta for a second, both TC and FA are servers who will focus on their home BL first, in fact on FA (I can’t speak for Tc) we have guilds who will not go anywhere else until our BL is ours. Welcome to tier two, where guilds will drop everything to resecure their BL. (Unfair, or smart play?
)

Ummm, don’t put TC in the some group of stupid that FA is in. TC protects their home yes, but they don’t do it to the point that it becomes a detriment like FA does. You could literally send a group of 20 people over to FA’s home BL, and just have that group to charge at the 60-80 man zerg that shows up to stop them while you take everything else they have on any other map.

Real classy there. Real classy.

Can’t you see his/her monocle and top hat? He/She is the pinnacle of classiness.

I would like a monocle and top hat too. :|

timidobserver.7925:

kylia.4813:

Shiren.9532:

I don’t see any FA towers on TC bl. I don’t see any TC towers on FA bl. I see plenty of both on SoS bl. It’s fun having a tier 4 (should have gone to tier 3) server in tier 2 isn’t it? Let’s not pretend anyone on either side is looking for a good fight.

If SoS stood a chance of rallying this weekend, the approach both FA and TC have taken to SoS bl is preventing it from happening.

Let’s talk meta for a second, both TC and FA are servers who will focus on their home BL first, in fact on FA (I can’t speak for Tc) we have guilds who will not go anywhere else until our BL is ours. Welcome to tier two, where guilds will drop everything to resecure their BL. (Unfair, or smart play?
)

Ummm, don’t put TC in the some group of stupid that FA is in. TC protects their home yes, but they don’t do it to the point that it becomes a detriment like FA does. You could literally send a group of 20 people over to FA’s home BL, and just have that group to charge at the 60-80 man zerg that shows up to stop them while you take everything else they have on any other map.

Real classy there. Real classy.

Once again, it seems that anymore replies to try and help you see the light will be futile because you are the one that is in actual fact, not reading what people are saying.

Your arguments are flawed as whatever theory that drives it can be reversed to be true.

You are saying curtain is too strong compared to CC.

I say thieves burst is too strong while hiding behind stealth.

Both has other factors affecting it, such as follow-up skills or prep skills that make it seem so.

What you are exactly doing now is quoting your own circumstances to justify your stand which in actual fact, does not constitute an actual basis of truth for any form of hypothesis.

Especially with the lack of the big picture and multiple external factors.

Continue being ridiculous if you have to.

Phoenixfudge.5290:

Escthiil.3210:

The tell for a curtain pull is when you cast shadow refuge or anything that can be countered with a pull to interrupt its usage.

And what if you’re not using Shadow Refuge? I already expect it to be used when I use SR and proceed to use any dodges available. Your comparison with Into the Void and Shadow Refuge is not the same as expecting when a thief goes for a Backstab. Mesmer can still use Into the Void anytime immediately Shadow Refuge or not.Your argument doesn’t convince me why Into the Void shouldn’t have a 1 second delay.

I’m not convincing you at all because I know most people who think from their perspective to call for balance are obstinate enough to never admit they are just simply making ridiculous claims for arguments.

Especially when the fact you came up with no counter argument to what I said except that to reinforce the fact that it is simply a pull effect, actually defined by its category of CC.

As compared to the fact that when a thief goes into stealth, he can not only proceed to backstab, stack more stealth or run away, etc.

You might just want to step back and think again about the issues you brought up because they sound stupid enough for people to think you are making a rage thread.

The tell for a curtain pull is when you cast shadow refuge or anything that can be countered with a pull to interrupt its usage.

It’s the same theory you are pulling off here. You should be expecting it, meaning keep a close look on the Mesmer. Just like how the Mesmer has to count your 3-4 seconds of stealth as you mentioned.

Counterplay is the keyword. Stop trying to get the game dumbed down. It’s already casual enough. Play tic-tac-toe if you absolutely have to.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Because my gear is none of your frigging business.

Ditto.

Just thought I would mention that I pre-ordered FFXIV:ARR.

Not that it matters to anyone, I’m sure. Cough.

Counting down to infraction.

With no proper alliance system in place, it is foolish for anyone to think 2 whole servers have unanimously agreed to 2 v 1 their entire server.

If you do figure out mind control to achieve that, let me know. I’m interested in learning.

Otherwise, it just happened to be strategic coincidences that give that “I’m a 2v1 victim” impression.

Because no matter how you try to justify it, there is no system in place for it.

Would like to officially cut off all ties with Pickle the White after the release of that scandalous screenie.

Jayne.9251:

Escthiil.3210:

Andy.9137:

Jski.6180:

Andy.9137:

well…on the 28th we will supposedly be fighting a different server every week, so……. I think the decision to move was a little premature unless there is more meaning behind it besides from wanting a change of scenery.

in other news, I acquired a hair dye kit and made my beard even whiter, and it is magnificent.

But what about your Moustache!?

hair, beard, mustache…all whiter!

Pickle the White. It almost sounds as if you have evolved into something stronger.

Bite your tongue .. in all these months I’ve only been able to kill him once. And that was with five other friends. Holy Pickle is unkillable. A stronger Pickle makes me cringe .. wait, what did I walk into?

Bbbbbbuttt, I want him to evolve. So we at Corp can all run Celestial… Cause I like Celestial… It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside… And happy… And uh… I will stop now.

Andy.9137:

Jski.6180:

Andy.9137:

well…on the 28th we will supposedly be fighting a different server every week, so……. I think the decision to move was a little premature unless there is more meaning behind it besides from wanting a change of scenery.

in other news, I acquired a hair dye kit and made my beard even whiter, and it is magnificent.

But what about your Moustache!?

hair, beard, mustache…all whiter!

Pickle the White. It almost sounds as if you have evolved into something stronger.

Fegelein.7026:

Niim.9260:

Rawnoodles.1398:

Official : RE vs VeT

• Video now up!
• 15 v 15 GvG

Why do you keep posting the score? I have done a lot of GvG’s and never seen anyone so disrespectful, which is counter to what GvG’s are about.

I haven’t done much GvGs, but I do know that a lot of guilds do post results on the forums. Sure it doesn’t mean that everybody should do it, but there is nothing disrespectful about making the results public. I for one would like to know the results of every GvG happening on all server since they are not currently supported by the game.

Once to keep everyone interested informed? Sure. But it was the results of one session posted repeatedly. I don’t think that’s necessary at all.

I think someone means “case in point”. Lol @ “Point and case”.

Jokes aside, I agree with Niim that it looks like too much severe ego-stroking, which may or may not be your intention, but looks largely like so.

Score update with Otto Maggic from TCU.

I will just like to throw out thanks to people who actually tip Mesmers though most, I think, like myself, don’t expect any.

It really perks me up when I do get them, though. But really, the satisfaction of being able to help is more than enough cause of how a pain in the kitten the Southsun JP can be for some people.

I’m not even sure if all of you are just trolling or genuinely just became aware of this.

Habis.2910:

Andy.9137:

Excalibur.9748:

Holy hell this is still anyone’s game.

GOO TC GOO!

everyone except fa

Moar sexeh score updates, pl0x.

Issues.5789:

Why can’t we all just be friends?

The only time we are friends is when you drop the soap while bathing and I’m standing right behind you…

I’m a lover, not a fighter!

The hostility on the thread is back. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

Or if you are below 18, LET IT RIP!

Do they feed the people on DB at all? Having 50 guys chase down 5 guys like a bunch of hungry dogs seems to be pretty much the spirit of DB from what I have seen so far. Was worried they have all become cannibals from starvation.

“Also a full daze shatter doesn’t stack, one daze/stun causes the others to be ignored.”

It’s only ignored when the 2nd illusion shatters on your target when he’s still under daze. Positioning can be done in such a way that you can chain them if done properly.

theCOREYCOLAK.5698:

Gaiawolf.8261:

@Fadeaway: You forgot the Mantra, which provides more dazes than the rest of the build combined (except if MB bounces).

It’s a solid tactic in duels/small group play. In larger groups it kinda loses effectiveness, and you really need to coordinate your targets in team chat. Fairly worthless in zergs unless you can find and target the commander and bring him down.

Oh yes, it’s complete trash in zergs. However, usually I’m rolling with a bunker guardian, and another shatter mesmer/thief (depending on what class they wanna play.) Usually I run shatter, but I decided to create something that’ll compliment the team, being able to lock a target down is priceless, I wouldn’t trade it for anything.

Looks like your other teammate needs to make up his mind on what to play. -COUGHS-

Well, this is the most blatant troll thread yet.

Oh wait, you are not trolling? Thief complaining about Guardians?

Wow… Just wow.

Here we go.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Help-needed-My-friend-just-scammed-a-guild/first#post1981757

This is really disappointing. Enough with all these unneeded mechanics that you are constantly throwing into WvW. A lot of us just want a good fight, with more scaling based on a player skill level, so as to distinguish better players from the rest. Nobody kittening asked for traps.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

Impressed with FA right now.

Thanks for the update!

Score update, pretty please.

-Chants- “VK and CO GVG! VK and CO GVG! VK and CO GVG!…”

Why don’t you guys just GvG it.

Definitely agree that the current design is a huge crutch to thieves with a lower skill level that simply spams. The game should encourage more counter play. This will give thieves a higher skill cap as good ones need to be masters of timing. I mean honestly, it’s not even hard to break the aegis before you proceed.

Maketso.5602:

Escthiil.3210:

Maketso.5602:

Great explanation. The only problem is your relating it to a warriors skill, a profession bound for the front lines. Whereas an elementalist dies fast (relatively). Get a better comparison, lol.

I’m a little confused here since I’m not sure what’s your point other than to show that the design is pretty much justified, which is reinforcing what I’m trying to say here. :P

Just a little food for thought: The other 3 skills of similar purpose are Signet of Stone, Elixir S and Renewed Focus.

Signet of Stone is 6s but requires a grandmaster trait to work, which is Signet of the Beastmaster and is on a 80s CD. Plus suffer from the same problems as Endure Pain.

Elixir S is the only one that works closely similar to the Mist Form but it locks their toolkit in addition. But has a 60s CD. Looks perfectly justified to me.

Lastly, Renewed Focus is an Elite, requires channeling means you can’t do anything else during that period granted it refreshes virtues. It’s only 2s too, by the way. 90s CD.

If you ask me, in my humble opinion, Mist Form is in a perfectly good place at the moment because after all, the ability to heal while bring invulnerable pre-nerf was a tad overpowered whether you wish to admit it or not.

Well, you do have correct interpretations and I know what your point is. Mine, however, is simply that Guardians are WAY tankier than an Elementalist. Their invulnerability does not need to be more than a 2-3s elite skill. If it was ANY more it would be stupid, for arguably the tankiest class. Second thing you forgot is Engineers trait giving them elixir S at 25% health which in turn can give them TWO full Elixir S. Although thats not really bad because the escape abilities of an Engineer are lackluster. ( Mine is my main, I know this XD) Running away on an Engineer is a lost kitten cause. I hardly play him due to the many issues with it in WvW. Anyways, as for Signet of Stone I have no experience with it.

Sure the change wasent completely awful, Im just saying the developers are screwing the class over little by little. Its stupid – A low health pool, light armour class getting nerfs to survive skills is……unorthodox (or stupid).

To be fair, I think calling the Elementalist a low health and light armor class is a little generalising here because we all know a large majority of the players play a tanky D/D ele and of course, I disagree that trying to nerf one build should bring the whole class down together but like I said, the survivability it adds for being able to heal while invulnerable was over the top and it was not like the closest thing to mist form, Elixir S, was spared the rod.

Naurgalen.2374:

Escthiil.3210:

I’m not Anet, but here’s an objective analysis on Mist Form, with a comparison made to Endure Pain since you mentioned it.

Firstly, Endure Pain is a 90s CD stun breaker that lasts 4 seconds allows you to take no damage but conditions can still be applied to you throughout it’s effective duration. On the other hand, Mist Form is a 75s CD stun breaker that lasts 3 seconds that makes you invulnerable. Meaning other than not taking damage, new conditions cannot be applied to you nor do CC have any effect on you.

Granted, you can’t use skills in Mist form as opposed to Endure Pain, but you can still do element switching which I figured is a relatively good deal.

Plus you can still stomp with Mist Form and no one has any chance of stopping you. Unlike with Endure Pain, because it grants no stability, you are not excused from CC.

So all in all, with only a one second effect duration difference but a much lower default cool down while benefitting largely from being invulnerable, I don’t think other skills “seem to be much better than mist form” at all.

The problem with this kind of numbers view is that you aren’t really thinking about the uses.

You can use Endure Pain too:
+ Break a stun
+ Dodge 4 secs of damage (that means 3 full stuns if you were smart enough)
+ Combo with Frenzy to evade the extra 25% more damage you would take
+ Recover ( you can still heal / remove those awful conditions)
& Run
& Counter Attack
+ Deal Damage while for example “rooted” or when the 2nd stun goes out

You can use the new Mist Form too
+ Stomp people
+ Revive people
+/- Dodge 3 secs of damage (situational, read below)
+/- Recover a little by swapping to water (to make it “decent” it would require 3 traits)

Now, for stomping stability and blind sometimes can do the trick without using a 75 CD skill + in battle sometimes its just better to finish with damage. Still, I wont deny its use.

What is far more trickier is the “dodge 3 secs of damage”.
1) While it would appear that like EP you can escape 3 stuns, in fact being untargetable makes that you did escape only 1, the other 2 are waiting for you when you pop out from MF.
2) The real point is, can the 3 secs save you? You cant really escape while in MF, you cant damage you opponent either or now even heal substantially. So it comes to if you use it after or before the damage spike. The thing is -for me- we have more efficient cantrips to prevent damage. They may not work in some situation -lots of clones, ranger pets and bosses- but in most situations -again, for me- they are better.

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Moving on with the comparison I must agree with other people that the new MF is FAR more related to the Engineers Elixir S. But something to take note is how Elixir S has 60 CD and not 75 CD. (and I still think both skills should be better unless Elixir S has some synergy I don’t know -only played engineer in the betas-)

Actually, I did… :P

I mentioned both are stun breakers.

But you did mention something that proves that Mist Form is to a certain degree, superior to Endure Pain. Anytime during its effective duration, Endure Pain doesn’t make you insusceptible to further stunning. You break the first stun, someone else can stun you again, and also, immobilise. Mist Form does not suffer from that. People can spam CC on you throughout it’s duration and they will see “Invulnerable” pop up simply. Granted you can combo with Frenzy, but that’s using another utility and complicates the argument further if we look at it from the bigger picture point of view because that’s where the difference in numbers and effects come into place.

You also mentioned removing conditions but this is situational as well. Running from a group of people? They are gonna stack it on you while you are under EP. You have to make sure you have no cripple and immo before utilising Rush. It’s a lot easier with Mist Form to buy you the time you need if you time it well, using Water to heal and clear the previous conditions received, letting your attunements cool down, RTL the hell out of there and pop a lightning flash. Granted you need to be traited in water.

Also, I never mentioned anything about it being better than other cantrips. If something else works for you, goodie! I was just showing to the OP that the Nerf was not entirely unwarranted.

Maketso.5602:

Great explanation. The only problem is your relating it to a warriors skill, a profession bound for the front lines. Whereas an elementalist dies fast (relatively). Get a better comparison, lol.

I’m a little confused here since I’m not sure what’s your point other than to show that the design is pretty much justified, which is reinforcing what I’m trying to say here. :P

Just a little food for thought: The other 3 skills of similar purpose are Signet of Stone, Elixir S and Renewed Focus.

Signet of Stone is 6s but requires a grandmaster trait to work, which is Signet of the Beastmaster and is on a 80s CD. Plus suffer from the same problems as Endure Pain.

Elixir S is the only one that works closely similar to the Mist Form but it locks their toolkit in addition. But has a 60s CD. Looks perfectly justified to me.

Lastly, Renewed Focus is an Elite, requires channeling means you can’t do anything else during that period granted it refreshes virtues. It’s only 2s too, by the way. 90s CD.

If you ask me, in my humble opinion, Mist Form is in a perfectly good place at the moment because after all, the ability to heal while bring invulnerable pre-nerf was a tad overpowered whether you wish to admit it or not.

I’m not Anet, but here’s an objective analysis on Mist Form, with a comparison made to Endure Pain since you mentioned it.

Firstly, Endure Pain is a 90s CD stun breaker that lasts 4 seconds allows you to take no damage but conditions can still be applied to you throughout it’s effective duration. On the other hand, Mist Form is a 75s CD stun breaker that lasts 3 seconds that makes you invulnerable. Meaning other than not taking damage, new conditions cannot be applied to you nor do CC have any effect on you.

Granted, you can’t use skills in Mist form as opposed to Endure Pain, but you can still do element switching which I figured is a relatively good deal.

Plus you can still stomp with Mist Form and no one has any chance of stopping you. Unlike with Endure Pain, because it grants no stability, you are not excused from CC.

So all in all, with only a one second effect duration difference but a much lower default cool down while benefitting largely from being invulnerable, I don’t think other skills “seem to be much better than mist form” at all.

Zoja.2631:

Escthiil.3210:

Score update, please?

The omgwhyamistillawake score update:

Thank you! I also have a thing for female Sylvaris so cough… But that’s for discussion for another time.

Score update, please?