Guild Wars 2

Yeah nothing to say here.

Needs tweaks, but still a good spec.

Try moving while blurred. Try casting while dodging. Mechanic is great , we just need more endurance regen.

Well i could hit my staff ambushes frequently (while i agree u couldn’t in PvP). I could use axe 3 to climb terrain. I could survive groups of 5+ mobs. Still think AN has to rework some traits and give better QoL.

Axe 2 + Jaunt can will move (almost?) the full distance of both skills, therefore reducing the cast time of axe 2. Adds more burst too.

Seriously some tweaks and we are fine.

Kidel.2057:

FaboBabo.3581:

MIRRAGE FIX HYPE

Gaile said the specs are unchanged since the last beta because it’s an old build.

I wanted to read it wrong , so i read it wrong. Mb here ^^

MIRRAGE FIX HYPE

Mirrage should have a little more synergy with other traitlines, and further give u something when u shatter, cause shatter is still Mesmers Class Skills.

I’ve thaught about the traits lastly very much and here are my suggestions.

First ; Make infinite horizon Baseline. It’s the core of Mirrage as most ppl already said ; If only u are doing a special attack after dodging, everyone knows who the Mesmer is, which would counterplay against the Mirrage theme. Additionaly in WvW and PvP it’s really hard to get full 3 clone Ambush value. In Pve its 100% ok if Mesmer gets some dmg. Mirrage cloaks should stay way longer (8s-12s) to get a tactical Part of it and the ability to zone.

Self deception ; Produce a clone when u use a deception Skill (12 sec iCD), reduce CD of deception Skills. 20% Reduce.
→minimize the abuse by giving it an iCD, and optimize the use by cutting the “2 clones” – part

Renewing Oasis and Riddle of Sand are well designed i think, im not 100% sure about tweaks here.

Normad’s Endurance ; Now it get’s interesting; Critical Strikes restore Endurance. Gain 20% Crit Chance. Endurance gained ; 1(PvE)/2(PvP,WvW). We get Vigour from duelling, which synergys with Crit Chance, so this would make Mirrage + Duelling a top Combo. Additionaley Crit Chance is nice with power, so this would help both sides ; Condi and Power.

Shards of Glass; Every Shatter creates a Mirrage with forms A Mirror at ur position. 20 Sec CD per Shatter. Increase the Range of Mirrage Cloak effects. Range increased to 360. Lets u create 4 Mirrors when using all 4 Shatters, but then leaves u without the Chance of creating a Mirror in the following 20s, cause every shatter has its own iCD. Mirrage now synergyses with Shattering better and Mirrors get more Tactical.

Mirrage Mantle; It’s simple ; Get Barrier after Mirrage Cloak. Dont know about scaling, shouldn’t be that high.

Mirrored axes; Reduce recharge of Axe Skills. Axe “2” spawns 2 Clones.
Pretty much buffing all 3 traits to competet with other classes and each other. Make it hard to decide what u want.

Speed of Sand ; 1,5-2 Seconds Superspeed to balance out the “no-dodgeroll” thing. Gaining Mirrage Cload reduces the CD of ur skills by 1s. (Loads Charges too), cause this is a Grandmaster Minor. Basically this shows that Mirrage wants to spam a lot. Bombs, bombs bombs.

New trait ; Mirrors Illusion; Shattering a Mirror produces a clone(who gets mirrage cloak through the mirror), and interrupts enemys. 0,5s Daze. (Same Range as all ur Mirrage Cloak effects – >Shards of Glass)
More Clone generation, harmonizes well with the theme of deception. (somebody allready made this suggestion before, walking into a mirror splitting himself just sounds amazing)

Elusive Mind ; Perfect

Dune cloak ; More direct Dmg , More Conditions, probably 1 stack of all ; torment , confusion, burn, cripple and bleed. → Needs to compete with other traits, had a bad range (which now can be buffed with shards of sand), should either act as cover condibomb in Pvp and WvW, or add dmg in PvE since u dont lack clone generation there.

Now the last Thing which i need to say in regards of Mirrage upcoming.

Sharper Images should proc on UR Crits too, not only on Illusion Crits.

Just my 2 Cents.

This is MY Way of playing the Game , others may say its stupid/wrong way;

Depends on ur target in the game , but yeah ascended Gear is used in every part of the game since its simply the best armor stat wise.

Doin fractals gives u more money and more chances for ascended drops then dungeons for sure. Doin all Dailys for Fractals should give u enough money to boost ur job to 500 quickly.

U can then either craft ascended gear by urself or use “grandmaster signs”. The recept for “grandmaster signs” is purchasable from a Shop in the fractals. At the same shop u can buy Ascended gear with choosable stats; for Fractal Pages and “Grandmaster Signs”.

U get fractal Pages when doin Fractal Dailys.

Look for meta builds in ur relevant content (WvW,PvE), and start crafting it.

PvE and WvW use different Armor Sets. In PvE ur lookin for most Dps with most Team support for example. Feel free to ask further Questions.

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Esplen.3940:

FaboBabo.3581:

I dont understand how ppl say bonus dmg after a dodge , forces us to dodge offensively. Its just ; play the game , dodge , deal bonus dmg after dodging.

If the skills were faster and less clunky, then maybe. The problem is that some of these skills lock you in place, they are easily predictable, they are a part of your burst (this is notable in PvP and WvW), they are not always stronger than just auto attacking (LOL WHY?).

Almost the entirety of the Mirage traitline works to “improve” these or do something when you dodge, but they give barely noticeable buffs. If we compare this (not to Daredevil) but to Acrobatics (the other dodge traitline), the “only good thing” we get is Renewing Oasis which is an Adept that rivals their GM. Additionally Dune Cloak has hidden power with it’s 20% condi duration (at all times in PvE).

Mirage doesn’t do anything for your clones. It doesn’t do anything for your phantasms. You can argue that it does Infinite Horizon for both of them, but Superspeed on Phants is rarely useful, and clone ambushes are for you, not clones.

You can’t play Mirage by just “dodging when you need to and counterattacking”. That’s like running Daredevil and only dodging when you need to, and getting the attack for free. That would work except you severely hamper your damage output (this example works for both Mirage and Daredevil). As soon as your elite mechanic revolves around dodging, your rotation revolves around dodging. As a Daredevil it’s not too bad because they get Endurance regen up the wazoo (and not just from Daredevil, it’s a thing that was a part of Thief for quite a while). Mesmer gets… Vigor. Mirage gives… a tiny bit of Vigor. Um… what?

U covered my book in some sentences. (while i posted out some positive effects of it too) WP

Just a quick Thaught

Mirage Mantle; Barrier maybe? Protection gives me less dmg , but i dont want any dmg at all.

zealex.9410:

I was thinking a good way to increase the mirror generation and gove them more value would be to change the “self deception” and “shards of glass” traits.

The way i went about it was:
Self deception: when you shatter 2 or more illusions spawn a mirror (x sec idc)

Shards of glass: consuming a mirror spawns a clone (x icd)

Imo this would increase the mirror output making them a more reliable tool and it would give mirrors more value since they help with out cline generation.

looks sweet tough!

For everything im going to say keep in mind that im 90% sure AN will fix clunkyness/Bugs etc.

I dont understand how ppl say bonus dmg after a dodge , forces us to dodge offensively. Its just ; play the game , dodge , deal bonus dmg after dodging.

Im not a pro Gw2 Player, but i think i got some experience balance wise when talking about Online Games. If it’s CoD, HS or Lol ; i usually got a good feeling about whats good/cancerous/etc.

The problem ur referring to reminds me of the “Flash-`Problem`” in Lol. Lol is a Moba ; U choose on of x Champions, who has 4 Unique Abilitys. Additional u can choose 2 Skills which can be used my all champions. One of this Skills is “Flash”. It blinks u a short distance and is on a fairely high cooldown (300 seconds).

In low competetive Plays u will often see aggressive Flash’s to secure a Kill , without even thinking of what will happen after that. Spoiler ; Ur gonna die cause u were greedy.

In high competetive Play u will still see aggressive Flashs, but ONLY in the right situation. That beeing said, when the Flash Skill is on Cooldown, u will play the game completly different.

So no back to GW2 ; If u start a fight with dodge ambush, dodge ambush in the hope of bursting ur enemy, u did not understand the flexibility of the trait as whole.

While when u force a dodge by casting a “High priority dodge Skill”, then chain in on Ambush, u leave ur enemy 2 options ; dodge my ambush and get hit by my second “High priority dodge Skill”, or dont’t dodge the ambush and eat some dmg.

If i ended up in a duel in which i cant burst my enemy with normal rotations i can chain in an extra ambush to secure the kill, cause i know at this point i won’t need my ambush for beeing save, simply cause there is no enemy anymore.

Essentialy u can froce a dodge for ur own dodge. This is a mixed thing in my opinion.

It would be really good to force dodges for ur own dodge if u can secure to have more dodges then ur enemy….., but mirrors are bad designed, and everyone is able to get vigour, energy sigils and adventure runes. Thiefs even got more dodges then Mirrage will ever have.

That beeing said i seriously dont think the ambush mechanic is bad designed or weak at all; I think it’s a cool design and alonestanding is kind of “strong”. (again ur forcing ur enemy to dodge one of ur “autos”→ u still got EVERY other skill)
But then we need more tools to gain endurance and/or dodges.

You should be able to spawn mirrors more frequently on positions which u want them to spawn. Taking mirrors from our deception skills, and make a new f5 or something could maybe solve the problem. We can buff the “never-see-play”- skills since they loose there “opness”, and have more options for the mirror mechanic.

Maybe something related to Phantasms ? Mirrage ; Phantasms cant be shattered but u can only have one active. maximise ur illusions to 4. F5 ; Shatter the phantasms to create a Mirror, lasting 10 seconds at least, providing a boon/enflicting a condition on activation, covering the phantasm. (Torch phantasm→ fury /burn, pistol phantasm cripple/quickness… u get my idea.)
The radius of the mirror shatter has to be big, like u dont want to stand next to the mirrage when he get mirrage cloak that way.

Just quick thaughts, nothing in dept, nothing seriously thaught about for days.

musu.9205:

OriOri.8724:

Power Block really needs to be updated to work on skills that have an initiative cost as well.

unlikely , Power block was causing many problems from pve to pvp .i think anet has trouble to code it work on thief weapon skill and rev skills without kittening up everyones AA and pve mob attacks.

and i agree phant should be changed into utility like shield 4

I like the idea of phants beeing utility!

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

nice combo ok i see now what u meant as u said chrono deals more conditions. Seriously i need to work arround my rotations. Pvp means Player vs Player.

all we know in gw2 pvp means spvp while wvw is wvw .you only checked.

i meant you got facts wrong thats it , its not something shameful or big deal .just accept that . no one is going eat you for that .
but instead you got triggered and kept changing what your words mean . also many things clearly showed you did not test much of mirage in real gameplay .like axe ambush .or even fully read those tooltips.

why i have to prove a well known condi build’s condition pressure (which is meta for like 1.5 year only changed amulet )to you .

https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Chronophantasma_Shatter

its you who made theory craft based on wrong information which needs to be proved useful in pvp .

you said this yourself " but having TWO conditions on the auto Hit is pretty good, dont u think"

now you saying you said its not bad . pretty good has a simple meaning you know , one does not include “not bad”

you were talking " I’d wonder if anyone properly could get me as a target in the first 5 – 10 seconds of the fight ; if he wants to click on me , im allready gone again."
yeah that totally means axe 3 retarget lol like come on .

you have a brain but not much of dignity .
all those words you said you can find them yourself in this very post and then you lied times and times .anyway im done .

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Dont got a single Fact wrong. Im not using the word spvp, dont got the knowledge there. I’d say everyone gets me right when i say “pvp-situation”.

I thaught u were talking about axe 3 and utlity since u are a troll and ur ignoring 50% of the things i said. This brought me to the conclusion u would simply turn the words in my mouth(which u did several times), by saying i would talk about those skills.

“why you think its hard ? a person with pink effect teleport around on your screen once or twice .”

This further brought me to the conclusion u were talking about axe 3 and the new utilitys.

U dont need to justify a well known meta Build. U need to justify the sentence

[“proved you are wrong . and if we talk about constantly condi pressure like 5 stack confusion from one ambush . chrono does that better.”]

Again show me ur rotation, show me how chrono is better in applying Condis. Even if ur referring to the word constantly like serious.

Pistol 4*3 , scepter 3 off cooldown, shatter once or twice, auto attacking. This is it ? This is ur constant condi applying which is BETTER then mirrage?

Not like Mirrage COULD do the same ….no he can additionaley use every dodge as a bonus dmg instead of loosing dps while dodging. Mirrage can use axe 3 and axe 2, while scepter 3 is on cooldown.

What are ur goin to do as Chrono ?
STAFF AUTOS !!!
Sword 2 once or twice ?
Shield 5 ?

Oh oh oh got it now ; ur doin wells for the group support. Arent u? Sure they have no cast time and provide such a great condi pressure!

U could do ur super cool combo like ; randomely block 2 times at the start of a fight, using 3 shatters randomely, throw some torch 4 and torch 5 into and voila ; u just did nothing.

Ps ; oh u stuned something with Shield 5..maybe…

Carighan.6758:

What I don’t get is… why not just send 3 bleed-proccing Pistol Phantasms after your target?

Easier to spawn (Chrono and all), more versatile, last, don’t eat dodges and hey, they deal direct damage, too. 15 stacks of bleeding every 5 seconds, plus all the direct damage, plus you’re free to do other things like apply more conditions, CC targets or survive. For extra burst, time a shatter well.

While this occurs to PvE only i think i cant give u any proper discussion about this. I’m not a pve player and it would bother too much of my time to actually do the math for the most DPS on Both elite. For this specific Question I’d wait for Mirrage beeing released and watch its actual DPS output when fully mastered. I think even musu mentioned in another post that in PVE Condi Mirrage will have more dmg then Condi Chrono but looses alacraty etc…

Seriously i dont know which one has more dmg in a perfect rotation, which is what most pve hardcore players aim for. Holding dps as chrono may be easier, but if mirrage provides more dmg, high lvl pve play will take mirrage, IF the other problems in not taking chrono (ala, quickness), can be solved elsewhere without loosing dps there.

To debate on Pve Status u have to consider every single number on every single Class, to form a meta Group.

apharma.3741:

This topic has descended into mud throwing and wrestling but with significantly less naked bodies of the gender/apache helicopters you prefer.

I’d wish we’d have apache helicopters ):

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

Carighan.6758:

FaboBabo.3581:

And again ; Dont fool me with saying chrono does the same condis / even more Condis then Mirrage.

Mirrage condis LAUGHS about Chrono Condis.

On a target dummy, sure. Try getting those clones to attack anything in real gameplay and you’ll be lucky to get one clone to do what you want, nevermind 2 or 3.

I played the Beta. Was fun. I mentioned the combo like 2 times here. I asked ppl several times to showcase how chrono can do the same. I never get an answer oô

you mentioned full combo twice , lied about it 3 times and then you still think your number is right with your 4 skill usages ?

and what i said is an actual combo used in meta chrono condi build lol i even mentioned a stun for chrono to actually hit something .

you got so many facts wrong , and shamelessly call people who linked wiki page troll.

i havent seen a joke like energy sigil on pvp build for a while .

your 2s 30 stacks of confusion wet dream was busted from very beginning , and you still refuse to check mirage skill tooltips .

list things you said are simply wrong :
energy sigil
ambush attack damage
shield block duration
detarget mechanic
count recharge
ambush attack being bonus (devs said its a special mechanic for mirage )
and more

Thats it. I am 100% right with energy sigil(in WvW , as i stated it).

Quote ; “One thing i need to mention is that i was referring to WvW all the time. This occurs to PvP too in some aspects, but im sure aware of sigil of energy is 25% in Pvp.”

I am 100% right with ambush CONDITION APPLYING. I was wrong with shield Block duration which means following ; innstead of doing “nothing” the first 4 seconds, ur combo is doing nothing the first 3 seconds -> great improvement. I was never talking about detarget mechanic. All i said about count recharge is true. Beeing a bonus and a special mechanic doesnt cut into eachother.

I never lied. I will admit that i FORGOT to mention some parts of the combo, as i needed to write it like 10 times.

May i ask the 10th time ; can i see ur combo on chrono WITH STACKS of condition?
No i can’t. Why? U know ur combo won’t have the condi pressure u promised.

Btw we can do this forever bro ^^ Dont overfeed urself

Blink back a short distance and launch a barrage of chaos orbs at your foe, inflicting either confusion or torment each hit. Condition duration halved for clones.

“K maybe 2 second 30 Confu was too harsh for a pvp situation, lets go the full burst combo”

what you said "for a pvp situation " then u listed energy sigil .
all of those i consider as lies.

you can name them whatever you like but that wont change people will say those are lies .

and you did talk about how people cant re click real mirage which is detarget otherwise what were you talking about ?

you said
“5. Ambushes are better versions of normal Auto Attacks for scepter, Staff and Axe (didnt test others). I previously explained why ambushes are strong, simply because they are a bonus. And again 5 Stacks of conditions is never a joke”

i told you check cast time etc also consider you have to burn your dodge for that especially staff , and you saying you are right about it ?
and you saying you tested axe ambush even tho you ignored the facts its damage will be ruined by adds or more enemy players .

and now you are lying that u were talking about wvw all the time ?

and ambush attack is the core mechanic about mirage , i already said , go watch dev stream or something .

and you are wrong about axe AA being strong , i said go check other axe AA and mirge axe AA is weaker . but you refused to define what weaker means .

you really lack self respect in this post .

nice combo ok i see now what u meant as u said chrono deals more conditions. Seriously i need to work arround my rotations. Pvp means Player vs Player. I mentioned i was talking about Wvw 6 houres before. Try reading my posts. I never said Axe AA is great. I said its not bad, and 2 conditions on and AA are great. U dont need to burn a dodge for ambushes ; this is why i said they are a bonus; whenever u dodge with proper reasons, u deal bonus dmg afterwards. Cast time starts as soon as u get mirrage cloak ( maybe 0,25 s later), which means u have 0,5 secs invunerablity. I mentioned Axe ambush problems several posts before. I said u were right on thath one tehcnically but ur perspective is wrong since base mesmer or chrono would never deal even a signle amount of bonus after they dodged.

I thaught with detargeting u mean axe 3 and the new utility which is DEtargeting.
U’re referring to me saying REtargeting the Mirrage WHILE he jumps x times more then base Mesmer is mathimatically harder to do. Am still 100% Correct with it.

Dude i actually have a brain. I know ur trolling since i’ve told u i know. It’s just ; i Have the Time and it’s like sudoku ; brain training We can have some fun together. U can call me if u want, we have a nice chat, i’d bring arguements, you’d say “no u lie”, i’d show u facts, you’d say “no facts lie”, it would be a great Talk !

Btw when referring to a pvp situation i led some parts of the combo untouched, cause i KNOW i won’t have 3 clones up ever. For Pve hell i give u 43 stacks of confusion EASY.

Answer of musu ; see u lied again as u said “we go into full combo” 100%

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

Carighan.6758:

FaboBabo.3581:

And again ; Dont fool me with saying chrono does the same condis / even more Condis then Mirrage.

Mirrage condis LAUGHS about Chrono Condis.

On a target dummy, sure. Try getting those clones to attack anything in real gameplay and you’ll be lucky to get one clone to do what you want, nevermind 2 or 3.

I played the Beta. Was fun. I mentioned the combo like 2 times here. I asked ppl several times to showcase how chrono can do the same. I never get an answer oô

you mentioned full combo twice , lied about it 3 times and then you still think your number is right with your 4 skill usages ?

and what i said is an actual combo used in meta chrono condi build lol i even mentioned a stun for chrono to actually hit something .

you got so many facts wrong , and shamelessly call people who linked wiki page troll.

i havent seen a joke like energy sigil on pvp build for a while .

your 2s 30 stacks of confusion wet dream was busted from very beginning , and you still refuse to check mirage skill tooltips .

list things you said are simply wrong :
energy sigil
ambush attack damage
shield block duration
detarget mechanic
count recharge
ambush attack being bonus (devs said its a special mechanic for mirage )
and more

Thats it. I am 100% right with energy sigil(in WvW , as i stated it).

Quote ; “One thing i need to mention is that i was referring to WvW all the time. This occurs to PvP too in some aspects, but im sure aware of sigil of energy is 25% in Pvp.”

I am 100% right with ambush CONDITION APPLYING. I was wrong with shield Block duration which means following ; innstead of doing “nothing” the first 4 seconds, ur combo is doing nothing the first 3 seconds -> great improvement. I was never talking about detarget mechanic. All i said about count recharge is true. Beeing a bonus and a special mechanic doesnt cut into eachother.

I never lied. I will admit that i FORGOT to mention some parts of the combo, as i needed to write it like 10 times.

May i ask the 10th time ; can i see ur combo on chrono WITH STACKS of condition?
No i can’t. Why? U know ur combo won’t have the condi pressure u promised.

Btw we can do this forever bro ^^ Dont overfeed urself

Finally a Quote of urself ; show us the build , rotation , so we can compare this with core condi mes like its anything hard lol"

Yeah dude , just show me ur combo , like its anything hard lol.

Carighan.6758:

FaboBabo.3581:

And again ; Dont fool me with saying chrono does the same condis / even more Condis then Mirrage.

Mirrage condis LAUGHS about Chrono Condis.

On a target dummy, sure. Try getting those clones to attack anything in real gameplay and you’ll be lucky to get one clone to do what you want, nevermind 2 or 3.

I played the Beta. Was fun. I mentioned the combo like 2 times here. I asked ppl several times to showcase how chrono can do the same. I never get an answer oô

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

musu.9205:

your number based on "torch 4 into Jaust -> 4 Burn , 3 Confu
torch 5 into axe 2 -> 9 Burn , 3 Confu , 3 Torment
axe 2, dodge weapon swap, scepter ambush -“
then you said your combo is ”Torch 4+5, Axe 2, F2“

shameless is only word here .

and also just you know : shield block is 1.5 each anet nerfed it long time ago , and shield 5 is for stun not for dmg . just like other things you know little about them so i linked wiki page for you but reading is too much effort i guess.

but im glad you are so triggered lol

Again ; Proof it with numbers. Show me how much stacks of which conditions u can burst onto someone in which time, exactly like i did with torch4,5-axe2,axe2,dodge,ambush,shatter

i forgot the jaust y. My bad. Good i mentioned it early. How’s ur combo ?

you forgot about weapon swap and scepter ambush too . and energy sigil too .

let me keep the number froms all those skills but only count 4 skills usage and guys i find something amazingly op . lol

No problem if u cant find the original post 10 post before. here’s a copy

torch 4 into Jaust -> 4 Burn , 3 Confu
torch 5 into axe 2 -> 9 Burn , 3 Confu , 3 Torment
axe 2, dodge weapon swap, scepter ambush -> 2 clones -> rougly 7 stacks torment and 7 stacks confusion
-> Sharper Images trigger on clones, lets add 5 stacks bleeding assuming u got a 50% Crit Chance.
-> 9 Burn , 10 Confu , 10 Torment , 5 Bleeds
F2 Shatter with 2 clones and 1 Phantasm -> Blind = 2 Stacks Confusion + 8 From normal F2 + 4 stacks Torment.
9 Burn, 20 Confu, 10 Torment, 5 Bleeds.

Edit ; i forgot 3 stacks of torment from the second axe 2. Oh Btw u can chain the second axe 2 into a second Jaust to get both procced immediately. After hatin WP video ur sure aware about it.

And this is not amazingly Op. Its just a fact …
Now im asking again <3

Show me urs !

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

musu.9205:

Refia Montes.3205:

He explained in the video, it’s not a review. It’s more of an introduction about the Mirage. He knows that the Mirage has its problems and he’s not there to address it or call them out. He’s just there to introduce the Elite Spec and advertise it. And of course to advertise it he needs to show every trait and Utility and what’s good with all of them.

but still some info are just incorrect . like i said , many things he talked about simply do not work that way . like illusionary ambush . and people are going to buy PoF based on his introductions . some comments from youtube even believed that clone has more power dmg with mirage . wp used to overhype lots of things . sometime he did do more harm than good .

and we already have seen the 30 stacks of confusion op burst talk everywhere due to his stream . i think he could have done second video more carefully since he got time to test things ?

Cool , first time i see the video. Is this the video u said i was watching and where i have my thaughts from? Well My thaughts about 30 Stacks Confusion( Which i said would only be 20 in the 2 seconds i mentioned) were from experience.

I played pvp and wvw only on the 2 Days of Beta and i experienced 20-30 Stacks confusion in a “single blow” (this can be 1 second or even 5 seconds, when on adrenaline [im on adrenaline in fighting games] u misinterpretate time).

Now im gonna watch the video ((:

well , im sorry what im going to tell you
there was gm trait called mistrust , it was not reliable but it could achieve crazy high stacks of confusion too . i wiped whole team with it few times in pvp . but it was too gimmick anyway .thats how i feel about current mirage too.

I played with mistrust , it was cool for its gimmicky feature. As u just said; It WAS.
It’s non existent. Mirrage can still cover an insame amount of confusion and other conditions in less time a mesmer would need.(if The mesmer was able to do the same, which he isn’t)

musu.9205:

your number based on "torch 4 into Jaust -> 4 Burn , 3 Confu
torch 5 into axe 2 -> 9 Burn , 3 Confu , 3 Torment
axe 2, dodge weapon swap, scepter ambush -“
then you said your combo is ”Torch 4+5, Axe 2, F2“

shameless is only word here .

and also just you know : shield block is 1.5 each anet nerfed it long time ago , and shield 5 is for stun not for dmg . just like other things you know little about them so i linked wiki page for you but reading is too much effort i guess.

but im glad you are so triggered lol

Again ; Proof it with numbers. Show me how much stacks of which conditions u can burst onto someone in which time, exactly like i did with torch4,5-axe2,axe2,dodge,ambush,shatter

i forgot the jaust y. My bad. Good i mentioned it early. How’s ur combo ?

Whatever , i won’t reply again if ur not posting the actual combo u’re referring to do “same condi burst” as mirrage.

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

“press shield 4 twice and 5 stun some little chick and shatter it 3 times "

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Ok u are a troll i get it now. Wp so far.

you are proved to be wrong about pure numbers

i linked wiki page for you to check the actual tooltip and dmg numbers (including condi and direct) and im troll ?

telling you that people can click on real mirage very fast is trolling ?
math is hard

also lol you know , !!even we ignore u burned a lot of cd!!, and took !!more than 2 to do that!! . how about take chrono ,!! press shield 4 twice and 5 stun some little chick and shatter it 3 times!! . much easier ,reliable , and you can still have moa lol while u dont need rely on crit hit …. also that flying axe 2 animation , you will be interrupted the second you do that lol .
lets be honest that burst is not as good as you think .

Gimme more

“press shield 4 twice and 5 stun some little chick and shatter it 3 times "
Great Burst ; Go into a fight , Block 4 Seconds , then start doing Things!
Burning a lot of Cd = Torch 4+5, Axe 2, F2.
U burnt= Shield 4 + 5, Fx,Fy,Fz
U burnt one Skill more then i Did (while u still did less Dmg) Nice Argument.

" chrono has more condi pressure in much reliable way ." good proof

“1.can’t you figure that during 3 shatters , you can still do most things you did with mirage on chrono while your foes are stuned .like torch 4 etc etc " – “also lol you know , !!even we ignore u burned a lot of cd!!”

then again u can click on a enemy in 0,0000000000001 sec. If he blinks 0,00000000000001sec before u (ACCIDENTALY) U wont target him. This will happen more often with mirrage since they got more Blinks. Math’s done.

“4. 900 range aoe cc with radius of 240 ,its 1100+ range . have fun to catch someone with 400 range tele lol”
Hm i jaust 3 times and then use pistol 5 ? If we go all in i do blink into 3 Jaunts into Pistol 5 ? Base Mesmer is technically not able to compete with fast traveling from mirrage.

Even if we go most kitten up way, mimic , blink , blink , gravity well
Mirrage still goes , mimic , blink , blink , jaust , jaust , jaust , pistol 5, covering way more range then Chrono or base Mesmer.

Again ; Proof it with numbers. Show me how much stacks of which conditions u can burst onto someone in which time, exactly like i did with torch4,5-axe2,axe2,dodge,ambush,shatter

Dont send me links with pure damage numbers.

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

“press shield 4 twice and 5 stun some little chick and shatter it 3 times "

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Ok u are a troll i get it now. Wp so far.

you are proved to be wrong about pure numbers

i linked wiki page for you to check the actual tooltip and dmg numbers (including condi and direct) and im troll ?

telling you that people can click on real mirage very fast is trolling ?
math is hard

xD Go ahead

musu.9205:

FaboBabo.3581:

“press shield 4 twice and 5 stun some little chick and shatter it 3 times "

1.can’t you figure that during 3 shatters , you can still do most things you did with mirage on chrono while your foes are stuned .like torch 4 etc etc
only thing missing is that ambush + axe which is bad weapon in pvp .and as i proved . chrono has more condi pressure in much reliable way .

2. 400 range is bad for one click usage .

3. well just give you an idea how other class melee weapon works . if mirage axe aa has worse condi / direct dmg than others . it is weaker .thats the point .if thats not called weaker , what should be considered weaker ? like literally

4. 900 range aoe cc with radius of 240 ,its 1100+ range . have fun to catch someone with 400 range tele lol

5. your point was ambush is stronger , i proved thats wrong for most of them . then you dodged this and start talking they are bonus so whatever. now they are almost just like AA (if we count the damage while dodging , if not they are weaker than aa)

6. its not about just condition cleanse its about overall sustain .i dont mind it has worse sustain than chrono , but its damage is not that good to justify such horrible sustain .

7. well 25% movement buff and dodge roll are a lot . thats why anet even gave us that trait in chrono . traveler rune on mes was meta for a while in pvp .

8. currently there are only one or two skills which are supposed to detarget mirage : axe 3 and illusionary ambush , and it seems not to work in demo .

and i prefer they dont do those stupid detarget thing . it only makes mesmer more annoying which we dont need for many reasons .

like you said its more about your foes skill ,thats the exact point , the usefulness depends on others , and mes has little control .its just bad design and makes game harder to balance for what an annoying class that stomps newbies and is useless in high level play ?

when i said i can pick up real mesmer i meant i clicked on real one and attack that one . in 1s with 200 ping and my friend mirage used maxed stealth + teleport + staff .

why you think its hard ? a person with pink effect teleport around on your screen once or twice .you may want to check some fps gameplay video if you think thats hard to click .

its still not gonna fool any skilled players more than 1s .

Ok u are a troll i get it now. Wp so far.

musu.9205:

Refia Montes.3205:

He explained in the video, it’s not a review. It’s more of an introduction about the Mirage. He knows that the Mirage has its problems and he’s not there to address it or call them out. He’s just there to introduce the Elite Spec and advertise it. And of course to advertise it he needs to show every trait and Utility and what’s good with all of them.

but still some info are just incorrect . like i said , many things he talked about simply do not work that way . like illusionary ambush . and people are going to buy PoF based on his introductions . some comments from youtube even believed that clone has more power dmg with mirage . wp used to overhype lots of things . sometime he did do more harm than good .

and we already have seen the 30 stacks of confusion op burst talk everywhere due to his stream . i think he could have done second video more carefully since he got time to test things ?

Cool , first time i see the video. Is this the video u said i was watching and where i have my thaughts from? Well My thaughts about 30 Stacks Confusion( Which i said would only be 20 in the 2 seconds i mentioned) were from experience.

I played pvp and wvw only on the 2 Days of Beta and i experienced 20-30 Stacks confusion in a “single blow” (this can be 1 second or even 5 seconds, when on adrenaline [im on adrenaline in fighting games] u misinterpretate time).

Now im gonna watch the video ((:

Carighan.6758:

FaboBabo.3581:

Mirrage is selfish and thats a good Thing. If u wanna be a supporter olay chrono and get over it.

You can hardly call it “selfish” if it doesn’t do much more than a Chrono does while also supporting the party.

it is selfish cause it provides any bonus only to himself. Not like his ambushes would make his group do bonus Conditions. He does Bonus Conditions. He gives himself Protection , regen , vigour. He has not a single Group support. This is what selfish means.

And again ; Dont fool me with saying chrono does the same condis / even more Condis then Mirrage.

Mirrage condis LAUGHS about Chrono Condis.

“press shield 4 twice and 5 stun some little chick and shatter it 3 times "
Great Burst ; Go into a fight , Block 4 Seconds , then start doing Things!

Burning a lot of Cd = Torch 4+5, Axe 2, F2.
U burnt= Shield 4 + 5, Fx,Fy,Fz

U burnt one Skill more then i Did (while u still did less Dmg) Nice Argument.

1. Shatter 3 times is a maximum of 3 stacks torment and 10 Stacks Confusion. This is not even close to the things mirrage can get in this time ? (still not referring to power dmg on both sides)
Second thing about this ; Ur not relying on Crit overall. The Crit gives u 5 Stacks of bleed in the maths i did. If u want cut those 5 stacks. Mirrage still has more Condis, more Condi Burst.

2. U said something about gettin interrupted when starting a cast right? Yeah i think u did. I just copy that senseless argument. Tbh i would take jaust since it fits my playstyle more. I just want to point out that it is a relyable choice.

3. Well i still think havin 2 conditions on the auto chain is a good thing. Maybe firebrand auto is 100 times stronger. Doesnt make mirrage auto weaker.

4. Ur not refferring to situations here. Clearly there are times in which gravity well will be better, or Moa, or Mass invisibilty, or anything else. If u wanna catch someone out of ur Gravity well Range it’s useless. If u wanna CC someone within ur Range and u got Jaust; it’s useless. Jaunt still stays good at its flexibility.

5. Again and again ; ambushes are a BONUS. Core Mesmer would simply do normal basic attacks. Mirrage dodges (no cast time)- Instantly casts ambush.
Mesmer dodges (0,5 sec cast time), Mesmer starts casting anything else. U are targeting Dps loss of Mirrage, where there is no loss, but overall just less bonus dmg (Cause adds can block etc).

6. Remember what point 6 was ? “6. you can cast while dodging or stuned is nice , but our point is , this is too gimmick for us to replace any core mesmer traitline with mirage especially the new dodge removes movement too .”

This has NOTHING to do with condition Cleanse, but i can talk about this too, cause u are very right on this point. We loose Condition Cleanse and therefore are forced to take the mantra or disengage heave condi pressure. Additionaley we will disengage every resistance Class.

One thing i need to mention is that i was referring to WvW all the time. This occurs to PvP too in some aspects, but im sure aware of sigil of energy is 25% in Pvp.

The wvw status allows me to just walk away in situations i cant handle.

Ur right when saying in Pvp this Build may have not enough Condition Cleanse.
I’d suggest mantra cleanse, torch and jaust. With the ability to blind frequently , dodge frequently and the given condi removal u could still be competetive ; needs RL testing for sure.

7.Yes u do ; base mesmer isnt owning the movementpeed, but can still be a viable roamer. Something to be aware off, but no argument to kitten over Mirages.

8. U cant get used to randomness. If u are about to click the mesmer , and then he ports, u didnt target him. U can of course train to click faster, but thats overall skill and has nothing to do with mesmer personally. As i mentioned before, chances of missclick are mathimacally higher on mirrage then on base mesmer / chrono. Im not reffering to any shiny effect. I said before ; u can tell who is the right mesmer in under 1 sec. But click it then.

One Last thing ; ppl mentioned it very often now.

“condi chrono can do same /more condi Burst then mirrage”

Proof it. Simply show me the maths. Right now all i saw was ; “Chrono has same condis, u are stupid.” Doesnt even touchs me at all when i can proof u the opposite…

K maybe 2 second 30 Confu was too harsh for a pvp situation, lets go the full burst combo;
: YES THAT MEANS ENEMY DOES NO DODGE WHAT HE WILL DO SO THIS IS THEORETICAL!

torch 4 into Jaust -> 4 Burn , 3 Confu
torch 5 into axe 2 -> 9 Burn , 3 Confu , 3 Torment
axe 2, dodge weapon swap, scepter ambush -> 2 clones -> rougly 7 stacks torment and 7 stacks confusion
-> Sharper Images trigger on clones, lets add 5 stacks bleeding assuming u got a 50% Crit Chance.
-> 9 Burn , 10 Confu , 10 Torment , 5 Bleeds

F2 Shatter with 2 clones and 1 Phantasm -> Blind = 2 Stacks Confusion + 8 From normal F2 + 4 stacks Torment.
9 Burn, 20 Confu, 10 Torment, 5 Bleeds.

kitten ur right. Its only 20 stacks. We still got both pistol skills , all Scepter Skills , 3 Shatters , every utility and 2 Jausts. (And of course i got both dodges too cause im using sigil of energy…)

Reduce it ALL by 50% and u still got an insane condi Burst.

2. Count recharge and recharge basically have the same meaning in which u can jump every 20 seconds. Explain the difference please. The only thing charge system has is that u can theoretically lower ur initial cooldown by stacking charges. If u used all 3 Charges its nothing more then ; 20 sec TP, 400 range.

3. I agree with pathing problems and overall slowness, thats a thing im aware of ( And will 90% fixxed in the next month so i won’t talk about this) Axe meele attack me be kitten for power , but having TWO conditions on the auto Hit is pretty good, dont u think ?

4. Now i get what u meant by Recharge system =/= recharge. U are seriously saying that Jaust has a 60 Sec cooldown. This is …. wow …. Are u goin to tell me u would wait for all 3 charges to use it once ? WTH?

About dodge Jump ; Jaust. U got three charges, use em with brain.

5 I have no single idea about the dmg of the Ambushes vs normal Basic attacks. Its about the Condis. Mirrage is about Condis. Im never referring to ANY power based build. Doin 5 Stacks of confusion or Torment in 1,5 seconds (scepter) is better then doin 3 stacks of torment in the same time. (rougly cast time of Ambush + Auto attack speed of scepter in comparison)
So to answer ur question ; yes i heared of cast times etc, and i could prove mathimatically that ambushes are still better dmg-wise. Not to mention what happens if we get clones to do the ambush with us .

6 . Try illusion , dueling , mirage , u won’t miss Chaos that much is my opinion.

7. it was not me who fight myself, so to answer ur question ; no im not new to mesmer , maybe my enemies were, since it was beta weekende and much new ppl hang arround.

Dont want to say is extremely difficult to target , but with the right timing mesmer jumps can disrupt ur targeting . And dont get me wrong here . 1 Sec is all u need to tell which one is the right mesmer, but targeting is another thing.
Missclicking , cause the mesmer just used a jump/teleport mechanic will happen more frequently then on core mesmer. Can be proofed mathimatical too. When it happens once with Core mesmer, while they used Blink, it pretty much can’t happen again (Yeah stuff, mimic , bla bla, mirrage has this tools too). While on Mirrage if it happens with blink it can happen again with jaust , jaust , jaust, and all the other new teleports , shadowsteps etc.

musu.9205:

op is one of those people who only watched woodenpotato video and came here to enlighten us how over tuned mirage is .

1. for that burst , you need 3 scepter clones , IH gm trait , likely illusion trait line. and after that u need to burn your defensive tool : dodge . have fun doing so called 2 s burst in pvp .

2. that is not a 20s cd 400 range tele . also mirage has no dodge movement. and this elite skill is not good enough for that loss

3.mirage gains an axe , which is not a ranged weapon . so no ranged dps from mirage .

4. mobility ,even you take axe + elite , you still dont have enough mobility comparing to simple dodge roll . not to mention dodge jump .

5. the ambush is weak , even you take IH ,its still not that good unless you have 3 clones . so mirage does not really have good condition damage in pvp ,

6. for pve , given the fact mirage has trouble to generate clones , someone already tested : you do slight more dmg with mirage trait line , but you still use 3 iduelist ,
the only real gain is Dune Cloak and maybe axe , everything else is trash for pve dps . and it seems if there are adds around axe dps will be far less than its one test golem.
and lets be honest sitting with 3 duelists for max dps is not new playtyle or fun one .

so yep , it is worse than core mesmer.

1. No u dont need 3 clones. Ambush alone gives 5 stacks of Conditions, which is a good condi Burst. Every Clone after urself makes the ambushes insane.
1.1 ; Core mesmer simply does not own this. Core Mesmer won’t do ANY bonus dmg.
1.2 I dont need to burst ppl in the first second of the fight. I can simply fight my enemy and have an advantage everytime i dodge. I dont need to play with my ambush only, cause axe 3 is 5 stacks confu at least, joust has 3 confu at least, my auto doese 2 conditions now, axe 2 is spammable, torch has more burst options.

-> Ambushes are a bonus, which u can play with on higher mesmer lvl.

2. If ur referring to “Jaunt” i wonder why im still writing.. ; Here’s the wiki for “Jaunt” ;

“Shadowstep to a target location and confuse nearby foes.

Damage; Damage: 266 (1.0)?
Confusion; 3 Confusion (5s): 113 Damage On Skill Use, 330 Damage
Miscellaneous effect ; Conditions Removed: 1
Maximum Count: 3
Count Recharge: 20s
Radius: 180
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 400"

Shadowstep, 400 Range , Recharge 20 s ??

3.Necro gets an offhand weapon -> no mainhand weapon for necro , Necro can’t do autoattacks anymore….

Now without sarcasm ; We have scepter and Staff? (Mirage is condi if u dont got that allready)

4. Dodge roll is 300 units i think ?. So twice a dodge roll is 600 units. Tripple Joust is 1200 Units. Clearly the dodge roll has more movement then the new elite. Not to mention the superspeed core Mesmer gets when dodging.

5. Ambushes are better versions of normal Auto Attacks for scepter, Staff and Axe (didnt test others). I previously explained why ambushes are strong, simply because they are a bonus. And again 5 Stacks of conditions is never a joke.

Core mesmers dodge interrupts EVERY Cast.
Mirrage Mesmers dodge wont interrupt anything.

Core Mesmer can’t dodge while beeing stunned.
Mirrage Mesmers can dodge while beeing stunned (even without the trait)

Did i fall for a Troll or are Ppl reaally that ignorant?

Edit ; dont get me wrong dudes ; i know bout the issuses Mirage has. Ambush staff feels like enemy could drink a tea after dodging, infinite horizon should be baseline , more speed after dodge for making up the non movement effect… list goes on, but god kitten , some tweaks here and there and everything is fine. I could even life with the current state of mirrage, just cause i like the playstyle a lot.

It has no other playstyle then Base mesmer ur saying ? I never jump flipped arround as base mesmer that often as i did on mirrage. I’d wonder if anyone properly could get me as a target in the first 5 – 10 seconds of the fight ; if he wants to click on me , im allready gone again.

Im not defending the spec at all. Im just pointing out some Things. Tbh mirage mirrors ARE bad designed in the way the mesmer “cant decide” where to spawn them. Still “joust” needs nothing. Still chrono will never condi burst like mirrage.

Btw i would Change the protection to barrier.

How is mirrage worse in dueling then base mesmer ?

I’ve been reading lots of Comments about people complaining about mirrage. " should be power" " give joust 900 range" , " should give Group support" " does nothing a chrono or base mesmer cant do" does not synergize with base mesmer traits" , and more Stuff like that.

First of all u need to understand what a specilization is; it focuses in a special aspect of the class. Chrono has the supportive theme , while mirage CLEARLY has the dueling / condi theme.
Mirrage is selfish and thats a good Thing. If u wanna be a supporter olay chrono and get over it.

3 charges with 20 sec cooldown on a teleport and ppl complain about 400 Range.. Like seriously did u get the skill overall ? Its one of the most powerfull skills in gw2 when talking about pvp/wvw. It can cover DMG , range/mobility, cleanse.. The ability to repositin urself 3 times in a row is insane.

Ppl mentioned condi chrono could burst the same ammount of condis as mirrage…. Ur either the most insane chrono i have ever seen or u were reaaaally bad with mirrage. I cant do 30 stacks confusion on a single target as chrono in 2 seconds…

EDIT ; I cant do 30 stacks CONDITIONS on a single target as chrono in 2 seconds.

To make this further specialized. Mirrage is more of a Killer, where Chrono is more of a bunker, IN MY OPINION. U can Kill ppl with both specs. U can def places with both specs. Mirrage will still be better in bursting ppl down, while chrono will still be better in holding points under hardpressure. That beeing said ; Power Lockdown Chrono + Condi Mirrage would be a nice Duo

my wvw build for u to discuss (:
http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQRArf7alsnhi0YZawCNwtGKvGUZF6dwRDQOPCA-T1CBQBO7AKIl9H+iyAaqEEAPBgndgCcoKBgRp3GOJAeSdnApfgUALKsC-w

Mirrage ; regen , traited axe, ambush for clones

less condi clear , so focused on jaunts and mantra. Insane Condi burst. Dont get me Wrong guys ; Chrono will never have the same Condi Burst as Mirrage has. Ambushes into Shatters are too much. Easy clone producing with scepter and axe 2. Sigil of energy for extra dodges therefore extra Ambushes. Rune + Sigil cause i wanted the precision for the sweet scepter ambushes.

3 clone scepter ambush is roughly 10 stacks torment , 10 stacks confusion and 10 stacks bleeding.

U can do it twice in a row …