Guild Wars 2

7+ year GW1 Vet here. I’ve played every kind of PvP there was in GW1 and there’s absolutely NOTHING here that even begins to compare with it. Spvp and WvWvW are the only two choices you have. Spvp is more like short, small map versions of AB. Wv3 is like a long drawn out version of Fort Aspenwood. GW1 had so many different arenas and types of pvp so one never really got bored with just two choices. Prophecies alone had SEVEN different types of PvP, and that was after they had removed Hero Battles and Team Arenas. Sorry, but so far GW2 pvp is getting a D- from me, and it’s what I had been looking forward to all this time. I’m not impressed at all.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I’m surprise one of the Dev keep replying to this section of the forums after being bashed so many times by rude uneducated players. It goes to show the great level of professionalism Devon possesses. Nevertheless, players that behave this way towards a dev that kindly replies to our threads (when they don’t have to) should be punished with temporary or permanent ban from posting on the forums.

Yeah I don’t get the attitude towards Devon when all he’s trying to do is politely inform players of possible and future changes. The guy really doesn’t have to do that, so maybe we should show a little more appreciation towards someone that’s actually listening to us.

EDIT: I hereby retract all the nice comments I made regarding Devon. He’s made it obviously clear that all of us posting on the forums are a minority and he, in fact, DOES NOT listen to us.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

So you have never had a mic, which means you are probably new to commanding. Usually if you do something stupid commanding, people just stop following you. You don’t get banned from TS unless you are doing stupid stuff on TS.

I’ve got a mic/headset, but you’re missing the point entirely. You obviously missed some of my other posts that explained this. I don’t even have a commander tag. A tag doesn’t make you a commander, it just means you spent 100 gold to put on a blue dorito hat. I’m not at all new to commanding. I was here leading my guild members in up to three teams at any given time long before any of the current commanders were here. I learned from people like Edgar the Dyslexic, Kelvingts and Miss Terribad. Try commanding three teams with text chat only and see how well you do. I did it, and so did all of the commanders I mentioned above. It’s a lot easier when you’re all in the same guild and your teams are structured and disciplined to the task at hand.
I got banned from TS because someone in the channel decided to start calling me an idiot and many other names I won’t mention and I called him on it via in-game chat. Yes, I have a mic/headset, somewhere in the 50 or so boxes of stuff in the garage after recently moving and I’m just too kitten lazy to dig through them all to find it. So yes, I did get banned even though I never uttered a word on TS. If i wanted to do stupid stuff in TS, I’d go to our own channel so as not to disrupt others efforts. Just 1-2 minutes prior to being banned, I heard the guy telling someone to ban me from the server. What I thought was funny about the situation was they were muting me in TS when I wasn’t even speaking and they could clearly see my mic/ was disabled. This is how the buddy system and abuse of privileges work. Someone gets mad and all of the sudden they don’t want to let you play with their toys. LOL.

Plok.6145:

Graviton.1983:

http://www.gw2guilds.org/view-guild/3342

I’m calling the guild expectations into question here.

haha, did I upset you or something? I am at a loss for maturity where backstabbing zergers even attempt to call me out after leaving my server. Especially migrating to an opponent that same week. unfortunately the leader of said guild suffers from listening to his little brother and it causes him more problems.

Bros before ummm…. heh… you figure it out. LOL. That’s blood looking out for blood. Either way, your plight is a lost cause at this point. Best you can do is move on and try to rebuild. I booted 2/3 of my guild that wanted to change servers and rebuilt. Airing out all this dirty laundry will only drive people away from your guild. In DB’s defense, it’s not our fault other guilds like what they see in our server.

Tuluum.9638:

We are on Darkhaven. At the games release, I personally tried to take part in the whole DHA thing giving ideas, etc. No one listened, though I do see some of the suggestions being put into use just as a matter of course (it was bound to happen eventually).

So, I gave up on actually attempting to help, and we are just looking for a server with a good base and foundation to build off of. I dont believe specifically what we are looking for exists currently though. I havent seen anyone give ideas for long term goals, “training camps” for new players that might be intimidated otherwise, encouraging more wvw participation, contests, etc.

Honestly, its not a big deal :P I doubt such a thing will ever exist unless enough people get together and actively pursue it (which is why I responded).

I don’t know of any server that does the sort of things you’ve mentioned, but I actually have “training days” where I take a small group of guild members in and coach/train them through the use of Teamspeak 3. Makes it so much easier than explaining a lot of stuff through typing in chat. Even if they have no mic, they can still listen in and understand. Our guild has run contests, ect. for many years and it’s fun when they’re engaged and obviously enjoying themselves. Contests for best logo/cape designs, as we often changed logos/capes during the Christmas holiday. Prizes were given out as gold, dyes, special buff items, potions, mini pets, ect. ect. We were active for 6+ years in GW1. I’ve also known and been associated with guilds and “in-game DJ’s” that would host special parties while you listened to Blade Radio, ect. I do believe you’re on the right path to keeping your guild active and enjoying themselves, and that is a key element to keeping guilds alive.

I think I’m done with WvW and GW2 period. So many things changing and yet there are problems with the guild interface that has been a known issue for 3 months. When you can’t invite new members to a guild and it’s been 3 months, something is wrong with priorities. Random disconnects are now going to cost me a minimum of 1.64 silver on exotic armor. I know it’s not my connection as I have been monitoring it for almost 2 months now. I’ve started a character of every race and been through all content on at least 1, so it’s repetitious after that. WvW was my end game content and it appears the nerfing is in full swing now.

Blackmoon.6837:

I did PvP in GW1 every so often. When I did, it was pretty boring. GW1 game play just can’t compare to how action-orientated this game is. So PvP is a lot more fun, imo.

Battles in pvp were always predicable in gw1. You pretty much knew if you were going to win within the first 10s of a match. If one player died on someone’s team, that was a clear single that the other team had the advantage and would win.

With GW2 there’s actually more variation to how one can overcome their foe. So even though someone went down during a match, that doesn’t mean the other team is going to win. It’s awesome to how it works now.

I used to play the low level 1-10 arenas quite a bit back in the prime of GW1. Ascalon Arena was my absolute favorite. One player down? Ok no problem. Two players down? Ok no problem. Three players down? Ok well it looks like I’m gonna have to do this all by myself. I did it literally thousands of times. 222 consecutive wins was the longest I cold tolerate sitting for hours on end. Was it exciting? Hell yes it was! You missed out on a great PvP system obviously.

No Walking.6349:

Lol enjoy your “boycott”…you’ll all be back playing WvW in a week rofl.

I quit for 5 months… maybe it’s time for another vacation.

It’s usually compensating for something else lacking in their life. KWS, Keyboard Warrior Syndrome.

I found this out by accident, trying to name one of my characters from my other Guild Wars 1 account which is not the one I had to have them manually link. If they ever do release the names, I’m almost 100% sure it will still be available.

amhill.9640:

Besides, someone ALT-F4ing is called RAGELOGGING. It’s funny. It’s along the same vein as a player killing themselves by running off a cliff in a panic.

Unless you’re a mind reader, you really have no clue what the other person is doing. I know you’re probably one of those that really gets off on stabbing a stick in the ground. I’ve never run off a cliff in a “panic” as you state, but I have strategically run off one to get away from a much larger group of people since it’s impossible to get out of combat and WP to a place I need to be instead of waiting for some little clown to come poke me with a stick. So as it stands, 1. I have no armor repairs, and 2. I’m out of combat in a fruitless situation and back to more meaningful tasks. I saved myself time AND money, so who is the real winner there?

Gellor.6497:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Tensions must be running high in DB. For simply proposing an alternative tactic, the entire DB TS server got really bent out of shape and proceeded to call me very bad names QQ. Then I got banned from the TS server. Really classy when I’ve never had a mic attached and just listened in to commanders, helping out where needed. If this is the type of communication and treatment DB players are going to get, we need HELP. Maybe I’ll just take the week off and let the guys that think they’re hard get facerolled. I’ll still run my little solo camp/sentry caps, as usual. Gotta get that WXP! LOL!

The entire TS? Holy kitten, I was on last night in a private channel and even I heard and I was so kitten ed off, god what a stupid idea to do…………..

The ironic part of this is that they’re always complaining about people not being on TS and following commander’s lead, but you ban a guild leader w/ a 300+ member guild? I’ll probably go re-up my TS3 server and let the children play with theirs.

ParaldaWind.4523:

This thread is near impossible to read, and I fear that a lot of good points made up in threads merged into this were lost.

Easier to merge them all into one so they can “collectively” ignore just one thread.

Neeho.3859:

Oh, the memories. I remember asking a question while waiting for Longjaw to spawn. “Try ALT-F4”. OMG, WHY DID MY GAME CLOSE!!

Good times.

I’m sorry dude, I didn’t mean to. I went to troll rehab center and I’ve been troll free for 3 months now.

They should just get rid of all the WvW maps and turn us loose in the PVE areas with “PK” flags/tags. A toggle mode to turn on/off “Player Kill” mode. Instead of “Scarlet’s Minions are attacking Sparkfly Fen” we should get server wide messages that say “Fort Aspenwood invaders are attacking XXXXX”. When I first heard of WvW and Anet’s boasting of 100 vs 100 large scale battles, THAT is what I envisioned. Not shoving us off in what is basically an “Instanced map” called WvW.

[/quote]GW2 wasn’t made to please GW1 fans, but to broaden the Guild Wars audience.

• If you do support what ANet’s doing: Think about how it can be moved forward, instead of how it can be made more like GW1.[/quote]

GW1 had a HUGE dedicated fan and player base. I could think of a LOT worse things than trying to please the GW1 crowd. The GW1 player and fan base increase the odds and possibilities that their audience would be broadened. Word of mouth about a phenomenal game (GW1) does wonders for a company’s reputation. Based on the success of GW1, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with giving players more of what they like. So far, every single person I started playing GW2 with has stopped playing altogether. People in my guild that joined from September to now have all stopped playing. The only ones I see consistently playing are the people in WvW. GW1 had a strong community and I saw those players for YEARS. I continue to play because I’m pretty sure Anet can do better and improve PvP, but many of us see nothing but improvements to PVE related content. If they don’t make some BIG changes in PvP, WvW in particular, I see a mass exodus of players from the game. If they wanted a PVE game, they shouldn’t have hyped the PvP aspect of this game so much. All the time they spent on this game and the big PvP seller was 100 vs 100 (WvW) with just 2 maps, one of them duplicated 3 times for server World Borderlands is like a slap in the face.

Arkard.3970:

Kaos.9162:

No Walking.6349:

They fixed this months ago, players get kill points if their enemy alt+f4s out in the middle of a fight or when they’re downed.

/thread

Well, the point of the thread is that you won’t get points for stomping them from the bloodlust buff if they do this…

Correct. I’m well aware they fixed the issue with not getting kill credit and loot for Alt F4ing. The point of the thread is Alt F4ing now lets players grief by denying Bloodlust in the Borderland stomp points.

Surely you’re aware that this is in direct response to the unbalanced buff aspect with dominant servers controlling most of them. Instead of complaining about the players, complain to Devs for opening that huge can of worms.

MarMaster.6241:

The #2 server, showing cap group size.

I saw this repeatedly last night, went to bed, got up and the same thing. Keep all three buffs, run two to three zergs, game over.

fellyn.5083:

Take it as an insult if you want. It wasn’t intended to be. But just look at the complaints in this thread that DB feels like they are being double teamed. It’s not intentional and it’s not by design.

My point was purely that we do our best to remove any trace of db off the map in prime time and because of that fact you guys complain about being double teamed. I said it before and the reason why that is is because we can’t compete with your night time population.

Again, take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you.

I can’t speak for NSP but I imagine that they disagree with how DB is staying competitive score wise (hint: it’s not because of your us prime time people)

You don’t have the numbers to compete with our night time population. We don’t have the numbers to compete with you during NA prime time. We stay competitive as a WHOLE server because NA and Oceanic fight hard to maintain what we have. Your comment was a straight up insult to our NA Prime Time, like we didn’t make any difference in the overall outcome, and now the back peddling with take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you SMH

Charming Rogue.8071:

It’s crap. I play this game for PvE and nothing more.
I was addicted to PvP in GW1, played it for 6 years. Holding Hall of Heroes days on end, one of the first to achieve my awesome rank 12 Phoenix emote, playing in the most top-rated GvG guilds. I was so excited for GW2 PvP. But it just feels like Alliance Battles in gw1. Random, boring capping points. It’s not fun at all.

I laugh at anyone who calls GW2 PvP, and everyone who has played GW1 PvP knows what REAL PvP is and will agree with me.

I think it has a lot to do with the mechanics though. See, in GW1 you had to watch the field, position yourself correctly, watch for certain animations so you can interrupt them. Watch for certain players their playstyle, watch for ticks they did, patterns, and knowing how to counter them.
Even just making a skillbar took me forever, but I enjoyed it. Reading all the skills, thinking up different combo’s. There were times late at night where I would sit next to the skills guy with my notepad and making whole skillbars for an 8 man team to go try out. Thinking of every other ‘meta’ builds I might come across and picking certain ‘counter’ skills so we wouldn’t get blown up by these groups. Then gather some people and see if it worked.

In GW2 it just feels like you go in, do your normal combo (with hardly any variation), dodge some stuff, and repeat. Probably due to every skillbar being the same and having no build customization. And that’s not even considering the capping stuff, it’s just more fun to play deathmatch or whatever, but I’m sure they’ll add this playstyle some time in the future. It would definitely be a lot better than capping.

In short: It’s a disgrace to call what we have in GW2 ‘PvP’.

OMG Dude you sound SO much like me… late at night sitting there with a notepad making 8 man team builds. I even went so far as to test all the skills/builds on my heroes against REAL people in Guild Hall scrimmages (before they nerfed using heroes in GH). We got spoiled on the awesome PvP they gave us in GW1 I suppose. They even catered to the people like us by coming up with the Codex arena, testing your mettle to come up with builds based on a limited skill pool. I dearly miss the GvG and HA. I hope you’re right and they do change/add/diversify the build/skills system, but I’m afraid that if they don’t do it soon, there will not be anyone left to play with. Btw, I played GW1 for 7+ years and I hear PvP is active again there. I’ve been contemplating going back.

Corvi.3278:

WvW is clearly the future and it needs a lot of polishing. Also it could be extended to involve “controlled PvP population” in certain areas.

Also PvP looks like a subsystem within GW2 and could be extended independently.

There’s a LOT of players looking at WvW as the “end game” content that will keep them coming back, IF they manage to revamp the current content with updated maps, rewards, titles, progression, ect. This is what I’m hearing in various areas of the forums. The Hall of Monuments was one of the best additions to GW, and kept players coming back again and again. If they don’t beef up the WvW content as promised this month, I see a lot of people leaving. The culling and lag issues with large groups is killing WvW. Not to get off topic here, but that is THE big issue in WvW.