Guild Wars 2

Ricky.4706:

I’m from Darkhaven and I have nothing but love and respect for Ebay – whatever the score ends up to be …in my eyes yall are number 1 for courage. DH was out manned most of the times I got on, but it didn’t stop us from charging in ….Ebay was even more out manned …and I encountered small 3 man groups that were taking out towers ….I lost count of how many times I died to their thieves, while I was doing solo runs to take out camps!! lol -shakes fist with a smile- and -gives a nod of respect- Cheers!!

Seriously, screw thieves, lol. I ran into one thief that dropped us in 3-1 encounters time and time again and I think it was from Darkhaven. It was beyond frustrating to not be able to pin that little bugger down and finish him off. There’s nothing quite like knowing you own 95% of the map and still being afraid to step outside of a keep, lol. Very nice job on skirmishing even when you’re behind, DH and EB.

Kurow.6973:

Harpazo.5217:

Krathalos.3461:

It’s kind of sad. People can’t counter thieves and think they’re OP because they counter their glass cannon playstyle. Now we have to suffer for it.

Glass cannon? I got wrecked by a thief with a decently geared level 65 Guardian. Now you’re not about to tell me the five heals I can pull off as a guardian make me a glass cannon, are you? Or how about the other two people I had with me, all trying to run around and chase down a teleporting, stealthing thief were too squishy, are you?

Uplevel…learn what it does…glass cannon…learn what it means…

Seriously…why the kitten is this thread still up?

The thread is still up because classy folk like you don’t know how to have a conversation so very little gets settled within the community.

I suppose I could use wall of reflection to try and keep the short bow harass away, but that wont in itself kill the thief, nor close the gap to allow me to use my skills against him.

Hermes.7014:

Has anybody else noticed that the amount of salt in the thief forum outmatches the pacific ocean?
Seriously. All I see is “OP this, OP that, nerf this, nerf that.”

It is unfortunate, but that’s what happens when you try to balance out a high powered class like the thief. If played right, it should be able to deal massive damage, but skill should be able to counter it. Right now, with the kit of skills I have at my disposal, I simply cannot stop a thief with a short bow and two daggers, no matter how much I heal, no matter how many times I close the gap or knock him down, I just can’t finish the thief. That’s what bothers me. It shouldn’t be like that.

Krathalos.3461:

It’s kind of sad. People can’t counter thieves and think they’re OP because they counter their glass cannon playstyle. Now we have to suffer for it.

Glass cannon? I got wrecked by a thief with a decently geared level 65 Guardian. Now you’re not about to tell me the five heals I can pull off as a guardian make me a glass cannon, are you? Or how about the other two people I had with me, all trying to run around and chase down a teleporting, stealthing thief were too squishy, are you?

Coolmoos.8546:

Harpazo… quitting already? shame dude… shame

I know man, I know… I just got disheartened is all. I went from such great competition to a smack down and it sucked all the fun out of it. I’m back in the game, though I have given up the hopes for winning as I had in weeks past. Maybe that’s a good thing, maybe humility is good for us right now.

Last time I was on there was a 10k point lead for DH and even though we had a lead in potential points until I logged off, we only closed it by 2k. Now I log on again and it’s 40k+ of a gap difference? No thank you. It’s been fun, you win, good game, I’ll take next week, please.

Congrats Darkhaven, not even mad, just looking forward to a new bracket where the differences aren’t in the range of 40k points.

Radiodread.8469:

Harpazo.5217
I think the issue with NSP not having a good turnout is that we put our all into that last week match up against SoR and YB and we got dropped an entire tier just for having a third place, even though it was the closest third place to second and to first of the entire WvWvW community. We fought our butts off and paid just as hard a price for losing as if we hadn’t done anything productive at all. That’s how I feel, anyway, and it makes it hard to want to queue up, especially when we’re so quickly behind again. The week isn’t determined and we haven’t given a fair showing of our strength yet, but it takes time to care again about something we did honestly try at and get shut down by the bracketing system like we did. In all honesty, I wish we could have had another week with SoR and YB to really determine who the winner was. SoR just happened to be in the lead for the last ten or so hours before the week was up, but the truth is, at various parts through that week every server had just as much of a lead as SoR did in the end. I’m glad they both got to stay in their bracket though, it should be a lot of fun for them.

Well technically we went UP in our ratings. We only dropped a bracket because the increase in our score was not enough to overtake yaks or SoR… just barely. And GoM acquired alot of points from a dominating performance in this performance and jumped us.

TRUTH.

iii.3905

I’m encouraged to hear your sentiments and I must say that that week against SoR and YB was one of the most intense weeks I’ve ever played GW2. I fondly look forward to seeing Sanctum of Rall and Yaks Bend in my invader/defender feed in the future, for I feel a bond has been formed that can only be known through trial and blood. You gave us the best fight of our lives and, lo we have fallen, we look forward to rising through the ranks and rearing our head in the requiem of our past. Until we see you again then may the muses of war sing ballads to your bravery and the heralds chill your enemy’s ranks like minstrels preparing the condemned with a dirge for the gallows.

…sorry, totally had a Braveheart moment.

Anyway, we’re coming back. ’Tis only a matter of time before those points even out.

I think the issue with NSP not having a good turnout is that we put our all into that last week match up against SoR and YB and we got dropped an entire tier just for having a third place, even though it was the closest third place to second and to first of the entire WvWvW community. We fought our butts off and paid just as hard a price for losing as if we hadn’t done anything productive at all. That’s how I feel, anyway, and it makes it hard to want to queue up, especially when we’re so quickly behind again. The week isn’t determined and we haven’t given a fair showing of our strength yet, but it takes time to care again about something we did honestly try at and get shut down by the bracketing system like we did. In all honesty, I wish we could have had another week with SoR and YB to really determine who the winner was. SoR just happened to be in the lead for the last ten or so hours before the week was up, but the truth is, at various parts through that week every server had just as much of a lead as SoR did in the end. I’m glad they both got to stay in their bracket though, it should be a lot of fun for them.

It saddens me to see us not in the lead, but it’s been a really long set of weeks and super close the entire time. I’m proud to have fought with you all and against you all Good luck, wherever the reset takes you two Hopefully get to see you again in our neck of the ranks soon.

The map might have a limit on the amount of siege equipment that can be built at one time. Could be part of the culling issue? Such that when someone builds a new siege weapon the earliest one built disappears to make room.

I disagree. I like the drive to succeed that comes with knowing the score. I would hate not knowing how much I have to do to win or how much I’ve already done.

The English is strong with this one. I’m glad to see hacking isn’t just upsetting people, it’s actually kind of entertaining if you put aside the effect it has on WvW.

Huh. I have yet to experience it as lasting an hour. I played after the update, but not for long, and I didn’t notice any culling issues lasting nearly as long as other people described. That’s unfortunate to hear it’s breaking the game.

deriver.5381:

Wall of Reflection is the most powerfull RvR skill…

I completely second this and I’ve been WvWing with a Guardian for a few weeks now. The ability to provide complete coverage from ranged attacks in an area is very powerful. However, target skills still get through and that’s the weakest part about the skill. You can run up and throw down WoR to punish ranged attackers, but they’ll just stop attacking once they realize it’s up and use target skills instead. It’s a very fun skill, but I wouldn’t compare it to a mass teleportation skill because they accomplish very different things in the game and there’s really no weakness to a teleport skill like there is to the WoR.

WoR is a gambit and teleporting doesn’t really have the same downside.

Monsoon.2589:

Harpazo.5217:

It’s not game breaking. I haven’t experienced any of these issues to the degree you’re talking about…

As far as the culling goes, it’s not nearly as big of a problem as people make it seem. There aren’t zergs of people ramboing across the map and killing others before they’re rendered.

If you don’t like it, don’t play it.

Are you sure you are playing the same game? Saying that there aren t zergs of people exploiting the rendering issue really makes me question if you are actually playing wvw in groups or just playing alone.

With all due respect haven t you read all the threads, seen the youtube videos clearly demonstrating this issue?

EDIT: and just so you know, there ARE groups, a lot of them, that are purposefully using the culling issue with mesmer portals in order to dominate. And the “If you don’t like it, don’t play it” well there is not much but /facepalm that can be said about this retort

Perhaps you’re only reading what you want to read, instead of what I’m saying. I grant you that the issues are PRESENT in the game, but I do not grant you that the issues BREAK the game. Culling only lasts a few seconds and a few seconds, even if being flanked, does not determine a zerg fight. I’ve been a part of mass fights that lasted twenty or thirty minutes where the line of the fight went back and forth on the open ground between keeps. One person can be burst down in a few seconds, but not an entire army.

Even if people are purposefully running around to exploit the culling, it isn’t game breaking. If your team properly communicates where zergs have been and where they are headed you can anticipate and act. I know this because I’ve gone into enemy territories by myself and avoided zerg rushes by paying attention to map chat and being aware of where fights break out. Just have some map awareness and you wont get crushed.

The other thing about culling is that it works both ways. It’s not as if culling means your enemies are invisible but you’re visible to them. That doesn’t makes sense. If two groups of enemies happen upon each other they will both have to take the same amount of time to be visible to one another. That’s not an advantage, that’s just a hitch in the system for both teams. It’s hardly exploitable and it’s certainly not game breaking.

I’ve been wrecked far more often by zergs I could see coming than by invisible groups, both by myself and while I was running with the pack.

Stop exaggerating the issue and look for ways that you can work around it.

Funny, because a lot of NSP players have gotten the distinct impression that we were being singled out. Which we were. Not because someone decided to be jerks to us, but because that’s how the 3 team system works. When you can’t get past one team, and they’re holding out against 2 to 1 odds, you stop trying to fight a war on two fronts and focus the greater threat. I’ve seen it happen in Eternal where we had SM and held it off against both teams at the Lords Room. It was actually a heck of a fight, it lasted forever but neither team could quite get through the hall ways. When we broke the siege and pushed them back enough both teams went up the edges of the map and tried to cut us off between spawn and SM. It worked and we had to split our forces up and try to stop two servers in two different locations. It drastically weakened our presence on Eternal.

It’s not game breaking. I haven’t experienced any of these issues to the degree you’re talking about. Obviously, the culling thing everyone experiences, but the hacking isn’t something that’s come remotely close to stopping me from queueing up, opening my map, and going to complete objectives.

As far as the culling goes, it’s not nearly as big of a problem as people make it seem. There aren’t zergs of people ramboing across the map and killing others before they’re rendered. Sure, if you happen upon a zerg of units at random, or a zerg sweeps past you at random, then you can be killed before they all render. But if you are aware of what’s going on in the world and where the fighting is, this isn’t a problem.

The biggest problem I’ve seen with culling is that of sieges. I underestimate the force outside a gate when I see only a handful of players rendered and so jump out to start fighting… only to find thirty people waiting for me at the bottom. That’s frustrating, but it’s my own stupid fault for not looking before leaping. If AoEs are popping off like crazy all around you and you decide to rush in? That’s your own stupid fault. If you see a handful of enemies charging a keep where you have a zerg waiting and you seriously think, “Yeah, they don’t have an army with them, they’re just trying to take our tower with a force 1/6th of our size.” then it’s your own stupid fault.

The same goes for hacking. Granted, I’m on NSP and we’re doing quite well in WvW, and there’s some controversy over exactly what has been done with our orbs or with our enemies orbs, but none of that has stopped the enemy from pushing us back into our spawn completely in certain zones or wiping us out of towers relentlessly.

Are these issues? Yes. Are they game breaking? No. You encounter them but they don’t alter the way the game is supposed to be played or the effectiveness of the players who try to play it the way it’s meant to be played. It just means you have to be aware of the issues and approach them appropriately. Don’t go rushing around the map by yourself near enemy fortifications, you wont see what’s out there before it’s too late. That’s just common sense. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. It’s not going to hurt you to stop playing if it bothers you that much. It’s not like anyone is forcing you to play it and get kitten off about it.

As far as rankings go, no matter what happens now, when the issues are fixed then things will balance themselves out. It’s not like any server will be ranked higher than they ought to be and stay that way. If a server is ranked where they shouldn’t be, it’ll work itself out.

I can honestly say it’s been a joy to compete with all of you. I’m glad that things are so close and it’ll be sad to see one or two of us go from the rotation when it hits. Don’t give up, anybody, it’s been a good, hard fight all the way through and there’s no reason to quite Thanks for an epic WvWvW experience.

I’m on the NSP server and that puts me in the third place for our server rotation. I’ve been on Eternal more than anything else right now in the new rotation and, even granted all your points, I simply don’t see it as a problem. We can treb the crap out of SM and they can’t really stop us. We never really lost our foot hold on the map, though it is exceedingly difficult to push past SM.

I don’t know if that’s because we’re doing that well as a server comparatively, but I will say it’s very, very competitive right now and if the red team naturally had the hardest position then we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are. As it is, eternal is perhaps our strongest foot hold in the whole of our WvWvW rotation this week.

As well, blue and green crash into each other from time to time outside SM. It’s not often, but it is enough to mean that you have to choose your target. They flank like crazy up the sides of SM on the map and it causes red team to choose who they will fight, blue or green. But at the same time, if red has SM then blue and green have the same decision because the center of the map belongs to red. You can’t really work around it at that point. You have to choose who you hit.

The “balancing” issue I see is that once red has SM it turns into a meat grinder where no team can really advance. Any team that pushes out gets flanked hardcore by the other team. It’s a vicious rock, paper, scissor cycle that means no one can really control all of Eternal without cheese or night capping.

I jumped down against what I perceived to be only three or four enemies… but when I started spinning around with my great sword… I hit about six invisible enemies. As soon as I saw them, they saw me and wrecked me.

She wasn’t at the vista, she was on the lower cliff looking at our trebs targeting Stone Mist. We had gotten ganked off the walls with AoE and lost two out of three trebs already. I wasn’t risking the person sighting in on our location and providing over watch Besides, it was fun

I haven’t noticed any change.

To whom ever was just hammered off of a cliff while looking at Stone Mist from near a vista point and belonged to a guild with the tag [VoD]… I’m so sorry That made my night xD

Haha, MajorKong, I laughed quite hard at that screen shot. I just chalked it up to my slow computer, but I’m glad to see there’s something that can be done about the invisible character issue.

Goldmember.4368:

Harpazo. Thanks, but saying Anvil Rock gave a challenge here and there is just being nice to the pitiful.
Its more like giving a trophy to all the kids who play soccer because they participated.

No need to be cynical.

Kodiack.2783:

Please don’t misunderstand our complaints. We aren’t complaining that you bring or have more players in wvw. It’s our fourth week at this we are used to it, we’re just tired of hearing from you guys how its skill / organization and not plain numbers.

Now at least a few of you are admitting it now, and that’s a step forward on your end.

Lets have fun this week, lets WvW our hearts out but but don’t come here and lecture to us about how if we only organized better we would win. We fully accept the fact that we don’t have the numbers to properly use sound tactics, which is why we play the we we do.

-K

As an NSP WvWer who went against your server last week, I can honestly say Anvil Rock was a greater challenge than the others we faced before you and you gave us a run for our money here and there. Keep your chin up and do your best.

I’m glad to see these teams can have an honest match, best of luck to all.

I just want to say that this is the most intense WvWvW I’ve participated in. Eternal very much feels like a battleground when I go in. Good luck to all of you, from a NSP combatant.

Thanks to your post, I now understand what “kitten” is supposed to mean. It took me a while, but your random need to throw it in there helped me to figure it out in context