Guild Wars 2

Substance E.4852:

Hertz.1309:

They are superb at bolstering Zergs and defending structures. They pick off and kill many stragglers.

Ele and Necro work at comparable ranges and deal so much more damage it’s not even funny. And this is all AoE ground target damage, not piercing arrows that will just get reflected by WoR, Magnetic Aura, or Mesmer dodges most of the time.

Hertz.1309:

They are the mobile and quick support. And when working in numbers can provide superior long distance fire for the guardians and such.

Thieves are significantly more mobile and eles can be both incredibly mobile and damaging. See above for point 2.

Hertz.1309:

Having rangers can change the tide of large scale battles and most won’t know they are the secret factor, mainly because people will say “ranger is kitten” (and thus won’t experience playing a ranger). no, they don’t have easy traits to master. But when you do. You’ll know you are the better player.

Not sure what tides the class is changing because I, almost on a nightly basis, watch BG guilds beat TC/JQ groups 2 times their size when I am literally the only ranger following the tag and the other side has half a dozen pewpew rangers.

The damage it puts out is simply too focused and requires a build that is too glassy with few “get out of jail free” skills to support it. The only reason thieves and mesmers get a pass is because thieves can effortlessly circle around and pick off stranglers and back line that fall back to recover while mesmer support in the form of portal and veil are essential for wvw.

Lets look at what the Range can bring for support.
1. Spirits – Bad enough before the mobility nerf.
2. Swiftness spam – See warrior warhorn and/or guardian symbol.
3. Regen spam – No where near potent enough to justify the amount of rangers needed to keep it up on the whole guild/zerg.
4. Spotter – A marked buff for the backline but does not offer a potent enough bonus and will not stack negating the need for more than 1 ranger even if it was.

It’s not a matter of mastering one to know it simply doesn’t outperform other classes nor does it bring anything unique to the fight.

Hm…Honestly I didn’t ask for class comparisons either. Yes, other classes can do better at a baseline, but out of that baseline it’s all purely hypotheticals. But, to label the ranger as an outcast is simple minded at best. Play the numbers as you see fit, however, you assume my context of support is purely group buffs..

And your single scenario of how rangers played out in WvW match is purely situational and neither a validation of how all rangers play WvW nor a rooted argument against the functional use of rangers.

I agree. If you think GW2 is dying anytime soon, chances are you haven’t stuck to any MMORPG for any long period of time. These types of games don’t really just go dead like an FPS or certain other genres of games. DAoC (Dark Age of Camelot) is a great example.

In this case, I would prefer if you are going to be a doomsayer that you just bite the bullet and leave now because you don’t sound very committed.. and give me all your items/gold…because frankly, the community doesn’t need anymore negative or childish people(that includes on the forums). It needs positive reinforcement from people who actually want to make positive changes in the game and community.

The quicker the people who don’t want to be here leave, the quicker the dedicated/mature players can make good changes..

And if some quitter can’t take change, i will gladly take their stuff along the way.. lol the end is nowhere in sight.

Well, I for one hope SAB doesn’t return…Why? because i invested in SAB skins way back..and now they are worth a ton. The longer no SAB, the more i get when i sell. Call me greedy but…I wasn’t that fond of SAB to begin with..might as well make some quick coin of it..

Well, it’s about that time. My Gw2 guild has gone pretty much completely inactive. Thus I am starting over.. Back in mid-late 2013 I had this very same idea.. I was going to make a full ranger guild..THEN, my job took my gaming life away. (dang, military..) But, now I’m back for good hopefully.

IGN: Hërtz
Server: Henge of Denravi
PvX (except PvP…maybe PvP)

For management purposes I will have to Rep on and off.. But, sign me up..not to steal members but if we could form an alliance, Firestorm Gemini (so pretty much me lol) and Favorable Winds i would be obliged to help you in any activities you needed help with. And if anyone wants to rep under FG then that’s cool to..If not, that’s no problem either.

Either way. Happy hunting my Rangers, may your riches be great!

I’ve been playing Ranger for a long while now…with only two alts both under 30.. and If ranger is as bad as they say then I must not be seeing it.. I will leave the stats discussion to the numbers people, but I’ve had my share of 1v1 and 5v5 and 20vs20 Et Cetera. Rangers can and will win if the player is good enough. But, in everything I’ve seen.. It seems like the Ranger shines at WvW..

They are superb at bolstering Zergs and defending structures. They pick off and kill many stragglers. They are the mobile and quick support. And when working in numbers can provide superior long distance fire for the guardians and such. Having rangers can change the tide of large scale battles and most won’t know they are the secret factor, mainly because people will say “ranger is kitten” (and thus won’t experience playing a ranger). no, they don’t have easy traits to master. But when you do. You’ll know you are the better player.

Some form of actual dragon besides a lizard. Hopefully HoT is promising in this aspect…

I reference not only this situation, but all things associated with this game and others..Classes, loot, how this should work and shouldn’t work. 3 years is a long time, but its not the longest. People ask for so much then get let down when something else isn’t done a certain way that in the end, nobody is happy and the game is ruined. That’s more than likely why the developers haven’t touched the PvE yet. (keyword: yet.)

Is it boring. Yes. Every PvE environment is boring. NPCs are not engaging because they have no intellect on the human level. Environments are pretty the first time then they are repetitive..There is no end-all way to fix these things. There is only so many types of missions and things to collect until its all the same. Hence, WvW, PvP, raids and special events were made to occupy your attention and give you a greater goal. I think we should stop focusing on an unchangeable problem.

In this case, i don’t think its so much the games fault as it is the player who lets themselves get bored.

I don’t get why there is so much complaining and whining. This mentality of “This certain aspect isn’t appealing to my exact tastes, lets complain and have it changed endlessly.” Tis exactly what kills the best MMORPGs.