Guild Wars 2

Master of Timespace.2548:

Did you know that thief can easily chain 12 seconds of stealth from just 1 black powder? (4 x hs)

To start he’d be lucky to get 4 hs on a black powder. I can only manage 3 at the best of times but whatever.
And then what?
Zero initiative… some will regen while in stealth but what’s the point?

Do you realise certain spec Guardians are almost impossible to kill.
Do you realise Mesmers can port lots of people inside keeps.
Do you realise whine whine whine…

So what! Get on with your life.

So what happens when the enemy decide to use cata to take down the walls instead, or build a treb and destroy all your siege first.

It’s already too easy to take an objective with a small group of people, let alone a zerg.

Pretty much everything the OP said is valid, except that’s only because of the huge zergs.

Fix the zergs and you fix almost everything that’s wrong with WvW.

You’re that worried about dead spies? What about the ones that are alive, running within your pugs and wasting supplies?
There are bigger things to worry about I think.

lunoh.1963:

well i think we have here another case of the waterfield syndrome…

first thing first : this game is/was not designed for any classes to use unlimited stealth at will at any time

so with this premise lets look what makes the perma stealth thief so OP:
the possibility to reset the whole fight for himself while using a minimum of utility skills and have no need to use these to kill someone else.

My experience with d/p thieves as a p/d (playing more for the lulz):

Round 1
he comes at me, kills of 30% of my hp i use caltrops, steal with poison, c&d then the one. he has like 10-15 bleeding stacks, he goes to stealth.
Round 2
after 5sec. he comes back at me again. full health, not a single bleeding stack no poison and even some might stacks while i am lurking at 80% hp… same procedure as above i fight left reght then i see my health is low .. refuge .. he just stealths away.
Round 3
he comes for the kill (with 100% life no conditions).. i use my signet blind him use dagger storm he backs off phew
Round 4
he comes again, calltrops still on 4 sec. cooldown,.. using heal signet.. health still dropps c&d, runaway but then down from autoattack.. i die, he is with 70% hp…

this repeated 3 times then i gave the supp camp and the dollys up.

in this fight every single of my utility was able to help me fend off the thief (at this point dear reader please remember not every class has such usefull utility skills), but every time i got the edge, put pressure on him, he vanished and reseted the fight for him while keeping most of the utility up and ready. somebody above said it a tactics to kill tanks.. well it doesnt kill only tanks, it kills everything with a 99% success ratio…

you say this has no uses in wvw? destroying siege, killing caravans, farming people runnig from spawn to the keep while its under siege… these things are crucial and the perma stealth thief excel so good at this things its just retarted…

tl;dr
perma stealth thieves have no valid counters besides 10 supplys and a stealth trap and that’s why they are OP

So you stood toe-to-toe with this guy?
Why didn’t you back off and give yourself some time to heal or gain cooldowns?
If he had to chase a little he would be at a disadvantage, losing initiative and probably missing attacks.
Perhaps you did, I dunno, but simply moving around a lot, dodging and AOEing usually deters them enough to move on.

Sounds like you wanted to prove a point, but it just showed that his build was better than yours for that scenario.

There is another choice besides the trap.
75 points in Arrow Cart Mastery will get you:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Toxic_Unveiling_Shot

Even that won’t stop the Thief haters though. Next they’ll complain that several thieves are attacking different gates.

Indeed, it doesn’t take a thief to contest a keep or tower. Any class can do it and SM in particular is difficult to cover all gates at all times.

The fault is certainly with the “one tap to contest” mechanic and NOT the Thief.

Was it just me or did anyone else have more fun without the siege?

Is this since the API was released?

vluhd.7562:

McFribble.2349:

No, Arrow Carts have changed the Meta for the BETTER. Sorry you can’t just roam the map and trade caps with the enemy team, but if you have an Arrow Cart and Ballista already setup in your keep, there should not be ANY reason for the enemy team to set up siege of their own.

What actually happens though is that they set up an arrow cart right outside your wall and use a zoomhack to melt your trebs and ACs, even if they are right in the middle.

EDIT: I don’t think my last response was appropriate.

If it takes them to resort to hacking, so be it. It really can’t happen that often surely.

However, they could use zoom hacks before and still take out all your siege, where it counted.

Arrow Cart Mastery…
In tier 5 where a zerg might mean 20-30 people, AC Mastery has been a good thing.

A handful of people can now defend an objective and focus siege build sites to slow an attack, although not as well since the siege damage nerf.

However I have also noticed that a larger force of well organised people can quickly do the opposite. Wipe all siege from the walls and continue on as before.

It has helped with all but the craziest of zergs. We just need something introduced to break up the zergs even more in my opinion.

Burnfall.9573:

This thread hasn’t "tun it’s course’.

*If there were no Issue, no one would raise any concerns’.

It’s Obvious the ones who are crying to close this thread are the Sadist Elitist Thief class..

Why don’t you leave this thread and continue your Parade of Being The Only Monopolist Class in all stats in the game.

Bickering in this thread will only waste your time.

Guild Wars 2 World Is Yours,

Leave us alone

and continue your Tyranny.

We Can’t Stop You!

Neither Won’t your maker.

We’re The Lesser.

Find your own to Praise your Glory in Triumphing in WvW

Cause We Won’t

As it stands,

Oppression Is Our Way of Life in WvW.

That’s What We Were Made For.

To Be Oppressed By You.

Are You Satisfied Yet?

You Should Be

You Are Given The Best Of Everything.

So you’ve made your point. I’ve made mine. You berate my comments, I do yours.

Now it seems to be getting childish.

Do you really think that if you keep demanding for ice cream and throw a tantrum if you don’t get it, it will come?

Well I suppose it will. Just to shut you up.

One day you’ll accept things for what they are, like an adult.

Then again…

Better to close the thread to be honest.
We have enough different opinions and the thread is just going circular now. There’s nothing new coming to the discussion at all.
Keeping it open just makes it seem more important than it is, with largely the same people complaining/defending.

If ANet want to use this thread for any balancing input, so be it, but it’s run it’s course.

Put it to bed ANet please.

Thanks for the Ranger video, it is fantastic.

Coupled with other videos such as the solo Mesmer beating thieves (yes plural), it’s proof that good players can beat them like any other class.

The only remaining gripe can only be the stealth and running away/resetting the fight. But as was proven with the Ranger video and as shown by Osicat’s Mesmer videos, almost all classes also have the ability to run away/reset should they wish to.

Had the Ranger wanted to, he could easily have left those enemies for dust. The Ranger also showed how to reset the fight, simply by creating distance, no need for stealth at all.

It really is all about skill.

I am nowhere near that skillful and wish certain other individuals would admit that fact to themselves.

It’s a known bug that they have said will be fixed in the next build.

I think it could have been more widely announced, but in the meantime don’t waste supply on oil.

Seriously ;-P

I think devs need to introduce a “Casual Player Buff” that makes you invulnerable until your kill/death ratio is within a given range.

OK, I know some players will be pretty much perma buffed for their entire life, but if it stops the whining I’m all for it!

DeadlySynz.3471:

Jacklo.4230:

Sin.4130:

Rok.5260:

Sin.4130:

Mesmer in spvp is a joke.

Is that it though? Thieves aren’t that great in Dungeons and Fractals.

Same as many other classes but it has to be balanced a bit, thief is broken as hell, that’s what I meant.

Tell me what is the point of using illusions when you can be prama targeted.

Did somebody not take notice of the Mesmer video?
He solo’d many thieves, even 1v2.

Not good enough for ya’ll…

Thought not.

What a worthless discussion.

How was the mesmer traited or geared? Do you know?

Thought not.

What a worthless reply

Hahaha, just let me pick myself up off the floor.

View his channel, he probably shows his builds.
Watch his other videos, you’ll see his group play.

I can see why you guys get beat so much.

YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING FOR YOURSELVES.

OMG, denial at it’s finest.

Sin.4130:

Rok.5260:

Sin.4130:

Mesmer in spvp is a joke.

Is that it though? Thieves aren’t that great in Dungeons and Fractals.

Same as many other classes but it has to be balanced a bit, thief is broken as hell, that’s what I meant.

Tell me what is the point of using illusions when you can be prama targeted.

Did somebody not take notice of the Mesmer video?
He solo’d many thieves, even 1v2.
See Osicats other videos too, you’ll see how he can escape a chasing group and more.

Not good enough for ya’ll…

Thought not because you see what you want to see.

What a worthless discussion.

@DeadlySynz

Oops, see video above.

Sorry to debunk all your myths.

“Ahh but, but”, get outta here!

Let our (Gandara’s) very own Osicat teach you a lesson or two about thieves.

Sin.4130:

Tell him (Yishis) to show some same videos with non thief class;)

IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?
IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?

Put half as much effort into your character as you do trying to nerf others on the forum and you might stand a chance, but then perhaps not.

OK, I set a challenge.

Since so many of you quote Yishis’ videos when suggesting Thief is OP…

Roll Thief – Yishis has kindly supplied his build to help.
When you’re ready, post your videos of how you dominate.

I guarantee that less than 1% of you will pull it off even after hundreds of hours of practice.

Queue the Benny Hill music and let the laughter begin!

Thedenofsin.7340:

Jacklo.4230:

Sin.4130:

@Jacklo.4230
Look here how easy thief can solo group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

And here we have the same old video again.

Yup Yishis is very good, far better than your average player.
Know your class (and your opponents) half as good as he does and you’ll have no trouble from 99% of thieves.

However, this is a pretty poor example of a Godlike Thief.

First fight shows him chasing a small PUG group with no buffs/food, running with their backs to him, one of which decides peering over a cliff and shooting down below is a good idea. The others don’t even appear to be fighting half the time. then a trickle of others join, most up-levelled.

Second fight is 1vs2 at the ruins. The thief decides it’s better to try to rez his buddy than to fight and shows zero skill afterwards.

The rest of the video is pretty much 1v1.

None of the opponents gave a good fight and the group coordination was pathetic.

This video just shows how bad most WvW players actually are.

OK smart guy. Pull up some videos of every other profession soloing a group of 5-8 people.

I challenge you to pull up a video of 1 other profession doing this.

Doh, I already did, look back in the posts.
Or you could have searched for yourself first instead of looking like a fool..
Now eat that humble pie – +100 to intellect and +10 forum XP.

Better buy it in bulk!

Sin.4130:

He crashed many non thief players and almost die to 2 thieves at end (he was downed), he won only by luck because thoese thieves splited, whtat to talk about?

Thought so, just another baddie.

Jacklo.4230:

Sin.4130:

@Jacklo.4230
Look here how easy thief can solo group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

And here we have the same old video again.

Yup Yishis is very good, far better than your average player.
Know your class (and your opponents) half as good as he does and you’ll have no trouble from 99% of thieves.

However, this is a pretty poor example of a Godlike Thief.

First fight shows him chasing a small PUG group with no buffs/food, running with their backs to him, one of which decides peering over a cliff and shooting down below is a good idea. The others don’t even appear to be fighting half the time. then a trickle of others join, most up-levelled.

Second fight is 1vs2 at the ruins. The thief decides it’s better to try to rez his buddy than to fight and shows zero skill afterwards.

The rest of the video is pretty much 1v1.

None of the opponents gave a good fight and the group coordination was pathetic.

This video just shows how bad most WvW players actually are.

No further discussion on the video guys?
You seem to think it’s OP so discuss.

Sin.4130:

@Jacklo.4230
Look here how easy thief can solo group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

And here we have the same old video again.

Yup Yishis is very good, far better than your average player.
Know your class (and your opponents) half as good as he does and you’ll have no trouble from 99% of thieves.

However, this is a pretty poor example of a Godlike Thief.

First fight shows him chasing a small PUG group with no buffs/food, running with their backs to him, one of which decides peering over a cliff and shooting down below is a good idea. The others don’t even appear to be fighting half the time. then a trickle of others join, most up-levelled.

Second fight is 1vs2 at the ruins. The thief decides it’s better to try to rez his buddy than to fight and shows zero skill afterwards.

The rest of the video is pretty much 1v1.

None of the opponents gave a good fight and the group coordination was pathetic.

This video just shows how bad most WvW players actually are.

DeadlySynz.3471:

They weren’t new players, they were on my old guild who have been playing quite sometime in both WvW and pvp. 2 of them were tanky types.. not sure about the other 4 though.

You see there is not much you can do if a thief decides to break stealth and nearly kill a bunker build on their first hit, then get lucky with the next strike to kill.. if not, just stealth, rinse and repeat.. before anybody can act.

This should not be the case. Stealth should be given at minimum a 15s cooldown after a thief comes out of stealth

You saw 6 people (from your OLD guild) get killed by a solo thief.
2 of them were bunker type builds but you don’t know what the others were.
One bunker was almost killed on the first shot and finished on the next strike.
You don’t mention the others.

So where were you when this was happening?
Were you in the party, perhaps the first bunker that got rinsed?
How else do you know it was 2 shots?
What the kitten were the rest of the group doing, gathering for dailys?

Even if it’s partially true, it certainly sounds like it happened before many thief nerfs and the group were just clueless.

Yup, in hindsight we could have asked them, but we had a comfortable lead anyway so in the long run it didn’t really matter, on this occasion.

frostshade.3617:

Was there a fight club or just a q ? And idk all the servers I have played against and done fight clubs with try their hardest to make sure it effects nothing always in a bl and not during na primetime.. so on

There was a fight club with 60 – 80 players, and a queue where 2 of our guildies couldn’t enter for over 30 minutes. We were pretty much the only ones defending Hills and could have used a little help.
It’s not generally a major problem and I don’t want to make a big deal of it, other than to say that it can be a problem at times.

frostshade.3617:

no one fight clubs on.a qd map ever its always off prime time like I said its mainly the big wvw guilds who care about the points and injectors

Really?
That wasn’t the case only last night on FSP border. We had queues of 30 minutes or more.
It does happen and can make the difference between winning and losing.
Anyway, I’m not whining but you can see my point surely.

deviller.9135:

Jacklo.4230:

deviller.9135:

Daendur.2357:

next trap will prevent the use of a 2H weapon for 30s ….
fair ?

Funny if you make this trap, which clearly cripple a class as a whole.

Anti stealth trap do nothing to thief. (If you clever). It will cripple bad bad bad bad thief. But not a good one. (or average one). Thief should not rely only stealth for escape. If you rely stealth only for escape, you also a bad thief.

Stealth is a major component of almost all Thief builds.
Stealth is needed not only for escape, but also healing, damage, initiative regen, condition removal, boons – just off the top of my head.

You say it does nothing to Thief “If you clever”. The only clever thing to do would be to run away for 30 seconds, by which time most fights are already over, zerg or not.

Trap has 4 s channeling time. 1v1 with thief.
1. Are you sure you can still live when you finished channeling a trap ?
2. Are you sure thief will dumb enough to walk into your trap if he sees you placing a trap ?
3. Are you sure they will not interrupt you while channeling a trap ?

Anti-stealth trap will not work in 1v1. Unless you xv1 thief and your team-mate place a trap, it will work. But its xv1 not 1v1. And here: you waste 15 badges and 525 karma for a single thief which only give you 2 badges and no karma (maybe you will get a good item). In 1 v 1 case, thief can escape from you even without stealth.

Who’s talking about 1v1?
What about regular group play, where the thief is basically out of the fight until it’s over?

I’m not against these GvG events as such and feel this type of play should be catered for.
What can be annoying is that there could upwards of 60 – 80 players sometimes, hanging around the dueling areas waiting to fight, and waiting, and waiting, because that it what it seems to consist of largely.
All the while, we are losing towers and keeps while your buddies can’t enter because of queues.

TainoFuerte.8136:

Jacklo.4230:

I “assume” lone players would choose Thief in WvW because it’s a class that allows you to avoid groups or zergs by the use of stealth. A fair assumption I would have thought.

That’s exactly what we are saying. They choose it due to the tools it provides. Did you have a point?

Of course they could choose any class, but to then complain that Thieves can avoid death in situations where others can’t seems silly, when thief is available to all.

Thief is available to all? So just roll Thief if you want to roam? We have a master of balance design here.

I “know” that many 1vX Thief videos are from a few individuals through simple observation. Unless you’re just trolling, what point are you trying to make here?

I’m not making a point. I was asking what was yours. What conclusion are we supposed to draw from the fact not everyone records and when they do record, it just happens to be as Thieves? None? So you had no point at all? You told me I was missing some points, so what are you trying to say?

As an aside, there are a huge number of videos showing GvG and smaller groups fighting it out in WvW. They are often posted in the relevant tier’s weekly threads in this very forum.
I have never seen one where a thief makes a mess of the situation, nor have I heard any mention of a thief causing problems in any of the threads.

I dare say that if you suggested thief was such a problem to any of these guys, you would be laughed out of the forums.

I understand that reading english might be difficult, but what does GvG have to do with the discussion at hand? I don’t think I’ve mentioned GvG at all.

You’re just being pedantic.

You were suggesting that other classes can’t 1vX, they can, despite there being more videos from thieves showing this.

Why roll a thief to get around a map largely unnoticed?
Then why roll a class other than Mesmer if you like the idea of porting groups of people around the map?
You choose the best class for the job obviously!

You didn’t mention GvG, so what?
You’re talking about Thieves regularly killing groups.
By GvG I wasn’t talking about organised events by the Windmill where this situation wouldn’t occur, but rather the guilds, small or large, roaming the maps for encounters with similar sized groups, who produce videos of their encounters and discuss them in the forums.

Oddly I’ve never seen them whining that they got wiped by a thief before they got started, or a thief spoiled their night.

Now go ahead and pick the bones out of that if you like. It seems you’re more of a troll than any thief I saw.

TainoFuerte.8136:

Jacklo.4230:

With regards the ratio of 1vX videos around…
I have seen more 1vX Thief videos, true, but you’re missing some obvious points.

Some people simply like to play alone, Thief is the natural first choice.

Why is that? Players who roll other classes all love to play with zergs? How do you know this?

Most of these videos are from only a few individuals.
These individuals are unlikely to post videos of the fights that they lost.

I’m not sure I understand these assumptions. Does this mean there are less individuals with Fraps playing other classes? How do you know this? Why are all the individuals who record WvW magically attracted to this one class?

It’s possible they may be unlikely to post videos of losses, but this same principle could apply to players who video record as any class.

I “assume” lone players would choose Thief in WvW because it’s a class that allows you to avoid groups or zergs by the use of stealth. A fair assumption I would have thought.

Of course they could choose any class, but to then complain that Thieves can avoid death in situations where others can’t seems silly, when thief is available to all.

I “know” that many 1vX Thief videos are from a few individuals through simple observation. Unless you’re just trolling, what point are you trying to make here?

As an aside, there are a huge number of videos showing GvG and smaller groups fighting it out in WvW. They are often posted in the relevant tier’s weekly threads in this very forum.
I have never seen one where a thief makes a mess of the situation, nor have I heard any mention of a thief causing problems in any of the threads.

I dare say that if you suggested thief was such a problem to any of these guys, you would be laughed out of the forums.

TainoFuerte.8136:

Evilek.5690:

Of course we see zombie zerg with no brain

Jacklo.4230:

Love the videos that are posted… as if only Thief can do 1 vs X
…
Just some random videos of other people playing different classes to good effect.

You know, maybe it really is JUST YOU.

Literally Roguecraft all over again…

I agree with some of your points, particularly that many thieves enjoy trolling.

With regards the ratio of 1vX videos around…
I have seen more 1vX Thief videos, true, but you’re missing some obvious points.

Some people simply like to play alone, Thief is the natural first choice.
Most of these videos are from only a few individuals.
These individuals are unlikely to post videos of the fights that they lost.

Despite what many would have you believe, or you choose to believe from seeing a few videos, WvW is not overrun by Godlike Thieves. Certainly not in my experience.

Neither is it as easy as people make out. I can barely land a CnD on a moving player let alone a backstab, especially with any kind of group around with CC’s and AoE.
Indeed when I’m targetted by a Thief myself, I don’t really do much other than keep moving, dodge and AoE before they move on for an easier kill.

FractalChaos.6539:

People need to stop doing complicated mathematical somersaults to back up the “encourages zerging” mantra, as if ArenaNet can govern human nature. Players group up in big zergs because, to them, it’s the fastest and safest way to take objectives, be it supply camps, towers, whatever.

No amount of designing by ArenaNet is going to change that.

One tiny “amount of designing” could have changed that.
Make it so supply traps only work when more than 5 -10 – x number of players are within the area at the same time.

That would have really done something towards breaking up the zergs, preventing a scout on point from triggering the trap first, whilst at the same time making smaller group play more viable.

deviller.9135:

Daendur.2357:

next trap will prevent the use of a 2H weapon for 30s ….
fair ?

Funny if you make this trap, which clearly cripple a class as a whole.

Anti stealth trap do nothing to thief. (If you clever). It will cripple bad bad bad bad thief. But not a good one. (or average one). Thief should not rely only stealth for escape. If you rely stealth only for escape, you also a bad thief.

Stealth is a major component of almost all Thief builds.
Stealth is needed not only for escape, but also healing, damage, initiative regen, condition removal, boons – just off the top of my head.

You say it does nothing to Thief “If you clever”. The only clever thing to do would be to run away for 30 seconds, by which time most fights are already over, zerg or not.

Truga.5897:

MrKnieves.4162:

If you guys are so afraid of thieves then don’t engage them.

How can I choose not to engage something that I can’t even see and is the fastest class in the game?

More misinformation:
Thief is not the fastest class in the game.

Nor does it do the most burst damage.
And it’s not the most survivable.

Love the videos that are posted… as if only Thief can do 1 vs X

Ooh look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTnXeZslKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9IdpgUJCvs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_DE7AZrTj8

Just some random videos of other people playing different classes to good effect.

You know, maybe it really is JUST YOU.

Sunflowers.1729:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

DeWolfe.2174:

for everyone that say’s they can down good thieves 1 v 1 with ease, please do show us the video? Otherwise, it’s thieves trying to steal the message of the thread.

You can down a good Thief, good Mesmer, good Warrior, etc. It’s all about skill. If your opponent has more skill than you, it won’t be easy.

So why is it that when I get on my Thief, I die less than any of my other lv 80 characters? You’re telling me that I magically become more skilled when on it?

It’s even my 2nd least played character.

Edit: I’m not saying that Thieves are super over-the-top OP, but to claim that Thieves die as much as any other class is ridiculous. And this is coming from a Thief.

Does your thief have as many kills as your other characters?

Thieves don’t die as much, so take them out of the equation, who’s next on your list of who dies less?

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Jacklo.4230:

I play pure WvW, nothing else.
Yes, I have seen the type of thief that you describe, but they’re not anywhere as prevalent as some people in these nerf threads would have you believe.
Keep it in perspective please.

That’s just it isn’t it? A matter of perspective? You say you haven’t seen as many as I describe, yet I see them all the time. Spent a good hour before I logged last night dealing with about 5 of them in fact.

I generally play in a small 5-10 man guild group roaming the borderlands in T3/T4.
I’ve played against many different servers and can honestly say that we rarely encounter thieves that are anything more than an annoyance.
If I said it happens once or twice every night in a 6-8 hour play session, I would be exaggerating.

Sorry if your mileage varies, I can’t account for that.
What tier do you play, out of interest?

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Jacklo,

Thing is surviving a thief attack in most cases is temporary. If a good thief jumps you and survive their initial assault, they disengage, reset, and repeat in a relatively short time. Most thieves can slowly wear down someone by hit and run without ever really risking death even when faced by multiple opponents.

I play pure WvW, nothing else.
Yes, I have seen the type of thief that you describe, but they’re not anywhere as prevalent as some people in these nerf threads would have you believe.
I’m an aging MMO relic with the reactions of a sloth, yet even I have very few problems.

The whole issue is really blown out of proportion and seriously, the thief population in WvW has dropped considerably over recent weeks/months with people switching to Ele’s and Mesmers for their kicks now.

EDIT: applies to post above as well.
Don’t you have the same problems catching mesmers or other classes? I can’t even keep up with some warriors. Then we have those who Alt F4 or jump off a cliff.

Keep it in perspective please.

^^
I don’t get it. Poster above openly admits he can easily survive against 1 thief, but wants to be able to tackle a team of thieves.
The biggest whine I see in this thread is that some people can’t deal with the fact that a thief might actually get away.
Are people really so upset about losing a badge? You still won the fight if the other player had to run.

Hate to break it to ya but WvW isn’t about POI’s.
If I wanted world completion I’d have to do another 50% of the map. A playstyle I don’t like.
But don’t worry, Anet are going to cater for you guys soon enough, it’s already on the cards.

An small, organised group of ANY CLASS can decimate a shambles of the same number or more.

Kaleygh.1524:

Had some good fights tonight against both servers. Even if we end up on the 3rd place, i think this week we’ll have a fun and intense matchup
Shout-out to YARR (hope i spelled it right) you guys put up some really good fights.

@FSV
I noticed when you guys came on the scene… tougher than what we’d experienced earlier.
Yup, good fights!

Yarr!

The thief video…
All it needed was for the largish group to constantly AOE the area. Works every time.
I didn’t see any attempt to kill this thief, and in fact they looked as if they were ignoring him for much of the time.
CND has a short range, AOE the place and the thief can’t stay near enough to perma-stealth.
I didn’t notice this thief get knocked out of refuge… happens to me all the time.
C’mon, the “zerg” weren’t helping themselves at all.

Somebody already mentioned it but think about it…

A trap that removes all supplies from everyone in a small area – think zerg.
Tactically placed, this could really help to split up the blobs, although they could just put someone on “point” to trigger the trap before the zerg gets there.

A trap that triggers when more than x number of players are in the area might be a better idea, or a variety of traps to include the zerg trap.

This idea just needs some tuning.

On another note, I’ve noticed a distinct lack of lag since we aren’t fighting Riverside?
Coincidence or stealth buff?

I have noticed something similar when applying Basilisk Venom to certain Mesmers. There seems to be absolutely no effect.

Take it as a compliment. If it happens to you, generally it’s because you caused them some problems.