Guild Wars 2

Oh, didn’t expect such a response.

In truth, the biggest issue is Stonemist Castle. It is so easy for a server to hold a t3 SM against both servers. In EU, on FSP, we have started to tag up, leading pugs away from SM, and telling an enemy commander to tag up and cap it.

Stonemist is not like other castles, if you dominate a 2-3 hour spell, you can easily get SM tier 3, and if you are the ones that get it t3 at around 14:00, then there is enough players to hold it all day.

Also, on borders, auto upgrade is a problem as hills and bay become tier 3 almost automatically over night.

Perhaps a suggestion could be, what you start owning (your towers + garrison/EB keep) auto-upgrade, as they are essentially yours. BUT, those which you capture, hills/bay/sm/enemy towers, require actively purchasing upgrades?

To all those people talking about ‘sniping yaks’, it’s a 24/7 game mode… In EU, we predominantly have EU player, we don’t have Asian or Oceania gameres. There are times in a T1 match up when it is essentially dead. Would you recommend someone staying up all night to kill dolyaks? As I say, nobody cares if structures you start off owning become tier 3, but an entire t3 borderland is ridiculous, as is stonemist.

Hi,

In short, please remove auto-upgrading from the game.

If Anet is aware or not, (hopefully they are), there are roughly two sides to every server, those who prefer fights, those who play more for the points game. Obviously some people fit in both camps, some in none, but this is a generalish rule. This is EU perspective, not sure how it works in NA, but I assume it is probably similar.

Auto-upgrade ruins the game for both those that care about points, and those that care about fights.

As the game is less busy as it used to be, keeps and other t3 stuff is not always reset every night, meaning that usually when lots of people log in, every border is tier 3 and owned by the home server for that map. This means that small groups can no longer go on these maps to capture objectives, as T3 stuff is easily defend by a few players. Everything being Tier 3 on a map is bad for players who play points games, and fights.

Now, for those that prefer to play for the point objectives. There is no reason to scout, there is no reason to defend, everything us auto-upgraded. Before auto-upgrade, people would bother to build defensive siege on objectives, now this rarely occurs as nobody put effort into upgrading it. The people that have left the game most are these, it creates tensions in the community, as a lot of people do not feel it matters to defend or not, as nobody actually put effort in to upgrading. In the first 3 years of the game, you would rarely have all 3 keeps with WP on a map, all this does is much all servers onto Eternal Battlegrounds for most of the ‘off-peak’.

So, moving on to Eternal Battlegrounds which is where most action takes places outside of ‘prime-time’ due to the fact everything on the borderlands is Tier 3. The problem here, is that the strongest server (for instance, FSP in Europe which I am on) never loses Stonemist Castle. It easily upgrades throughout the morning, as it is easy for 5-10 people to defend against 30+. By the time it hits midday, FSP has about 40 players on map, and it is impossible to cap an upgraded SM. All auto-upgrade on Stonemist does is make it easier for the strongest server to ruin the game for the other 2 servers. We win all the fights, all the skirmishes, and they have no chance. What used to occur, is whoever owned Stonemist would be ‘double-teamed’ which is presumably why Anet has it as WvWvW, as it makes it more balanced. But with this auto upgrade, it is not balanced. In EU, FSP can easily keep a tier 3 Stonemist against 140 enemy attackers.

The final point is about those who play the game mode looking predominantly more for fights. The keeps have the range of mortars + cannons, as well as arrow carts, they can easily hit the majority of ‘open space’ across the borderlands. Meaning that any ‘fair’ fights between guild groups, or even public groups, can easily be shifted one way. An even 70 vs 70 blob fight, can easily be decided by 1-2 cannons, 1-2 acs or a mortar with burn ticks.

On Eternal Battlegrounds, Stonemist IS the free space, its mortars and cannons can pretty much hit all the open ground (except for the North-West corner past Anzalias), which once again makes it easier for the strongest server to dominate. When the strongest server dominates, it ruins the game for them + the 2 weaker servers. The strongest server has no challenge, and the two weaker servers essentially get ‘farmed’ and there’s nothing they can do. 99/100 times you cannot take a tier 3 structure while 80 player defend it.

TL;DR

Anet is falling for a common mistake games developers do. Look at a certain mainstream shooter game, that shares a name with a fish, the developers felt they needed to ADD, ADD, ADD to keep things ‘fresh’ and ‘new’. They did not think, ‘hmm, what can we do to make WvW better?’ In fact, do they even speak to people from the WvW community to understand what they want? Look what has happened to the fish shooter now, b field, a much simpler game, has taken over completely. You made the exact same mistake with Desert Maps, you thought ‘what can we add?’ Not what can we do to improve the gamemode. Most changes have made things worse, open field cannons you tried? HA. I just feel you do not understand your game mode and you need to reach out to specific player groups (perhaps community leaders, teamspeak admins) as these are the people that play every day. Mail polls can be answered by anyone who logs into WvW for 30 seconds.

Auto-upgrade make it far too easier for the strongest server to dominate the other two, even 2 vs 1.

If you want to do one big change to the game to help recover the situation, remove auto-upgrade from the expansion, or at least give us a poll to remove it.

Nice video, cool to see GvG represented on the official forums

Personally, I believe pirate ship came about as a result of the leader focus meta.

Melees could no longer push, because leaders would get bursted and then bombed on top of. This came through December 2015 – March 2015 well before stab patch. Believe me, I fought HoW and it was painful (and boring).

Not everybody that pirateshipped focused leaders of course, but what I mean is that guilds had to play more cautiously, especially the guy leading, meaning that this line fighting began.

Hi,

This video is pre-HoT, as I have not really played since the expansion came out. It was a GvG between NB and vE, two of the top 5 guilds in Europe at the time.

We used to keep all videos hidden because of comms, but as we disbanded 7 months ago, no harm now.

For any who wondered what the comms are like in a GvG, here you go…

To be honest, I understand that in some ways it is cruel to just delete servers people have been on for three years. But in truth, it is only a game and there is enough space for active WvW players from bronze league to join silver and bronze. Not to mention the price for you and all friends to move. Remember in bronze league they have lower ranks and less gold due to less kipps (xp + loot).

I agree with the earlier poster, the reason this won’t happen is because ANet is afraid to admit that HoT was a disaster, which it was for WvW. There are enough players in WvW to make it enjoyable once more. My former guild is scattered across the top 10 EU servers, all of which complain that it is dead. There is barely a prime time, even on EB any more. We used to get fights from prime time till midnight, now it is just dying.

Hi,

First of all, apologies if this topic has already been discussed, I recently came back on to the game after 5 month break. Not sure if the same situation described below is the same in NA, but just for the safe side I called the thread European.

I see now that WvW is deserted, no fights even on EB at “Prime Time”. Yet GW2 is still the 2nd most played MMO game.

Answer for this is surely simple, why have everyone on every server complaining about so little action, just demolish the bronze league and allow them a free transfer. It makes no difference to PvE or PvP due to megaservers.

Personally I do not understand why this has not already occurred, is it some kind of pride that they don’t want to admit less people are playing WvW? The game is over 3 years old now, it’s silly to think the WvW playerbase would be the same. WvW is the only game type where participation actually matters per server, PvE and PvP can be played with people from across servers.

The way it is going, the vast majority of the WvW community will have quit by the time you resolve this important issue. Okay, the new borderlands are terrible and have turned into EoTM. People don’t want to spend 20 minutes looking for a fight, they just want some action. But at least if there are enemies, there are chances of fights.

Thanks,
Joey

Currently looking for:

1 x Guardian

1 x Necro

1 x Warrior

Players need to be comfortable using teamspeak, both whisper list and main channels as well as being able to record their gameplay.

Applications are considered from those who do not have any video footage currently, however they are required to record on trial (and after making member also).

As always, visit http://net-brutality.guildlaunch.com/ to apply or whisper myself, Ljoey or Nyzi in game or any NB member that you see around.

Net Brutality [NB]

Net Brutality is a hardcore GvG/WvW oriented guild.

We are formed from previous GvG core members of VnT, LaG and Re.

We are located on Far Shiverpeaks.

Our principal aim is to become the best guild in Europe and we are looking for dedicated players who share a similar mindset and goals.

We raid 5 days a week on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and we expect people to be able to attend four out of five raids. Raids commence at 19:30 GMT+1.

At the moment our roster is very competitive to get into and we are only looking for exceptional players.
Good players are determined on:
-Individual technical ability
-Teamwork
-Communication

These players would need to be experienced at their professions and understand their role in an organised raid of 25 as well as in GvG scenarios.

Interviews and sPvP trials will be required before being offered a trial period.

If you are interested please visit http://net-brutality.guildlaunch.com.

If you have any questions, please whisper myself, Joey Goes Rawr, or Nyzi.

Thanks,

Joey

Alright, so we are currently looking for:

1 x staff ele
2 x necro

As usual visit www.vntguild.eu to apply!

Rumours of potential merge with dF…

Well we decided against it. We still have the vast majority of our GvG core.

Anyway in total we are looking for:

2 x guardian
2 x shout warrior
2 x necro

If you are interested then apply at www.vntguild.eu or whisper me, Joey Gets Focused, in game for further details!

Now we have returned to active raiding we are looking for:

2x Guardian
1x Warrior
2x Necromancer.

We are looking for talented and dedicated individuals than can become a part of our GvG team.

Whisper me in game if you require further details or visit www.VnTGuild.eu

So as many people may be aware, we are currently taking a three week Christmas break from official raiding. This is to give everyone a bit of a break from hardcore raiding. Our roster has only even been small, we peaked at about 29 including trials and so 80-90% of the guild ware attending all five raids a week. So we thought we might as well take a break to relax.

Anyway, we are still training and working kitten improving our guild, we are seeing this as an end of season break and so we are looking to come back even stronger in the new year.

To do that we are making a lot of changes in our guild. For this we are looking for the following professions:

2 x Guardian
2 x Warrior
3 x Necromancer

As usual, if you are interested then apply at http://vnt.guildlaunch.com/

We are looking for individuals that have the desire and show the potential to eventually become a part of our GvG team.

Thanks,

Joey

Looking for 2 guardians, 2 shout warriors and 1 necro.

Whisper me in game or visit the usual website.

At the moment we are looking for:

1 x Guardian
1 x Shout Warrior
1 x Elementalist

All three must be really top players and understand their role in a GvG squad, they do not currently have to be an exceptional player, but they have to prove that they have the potential to become one.

We are currently looking for 1-2 Guardians and a beast elementalist.

GvG experience is preferred, but not required. Although complete understanding of your profession’s role during an organised guild raid and being able to communicate adequately is essential.

Our roster is almost full so we are looking for exceptional players only and those that show promise and a desire to improve.

If you are interested, as always visit http://vnt.guildlaunch.com/

Another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHF3cYY4Iyk

Update…

At the moment we are looking for:

2 x Shout Warrior
1 x Necromancer

GvG with vE video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1wQLGN5rc

Once again, if you are interested visit http://vnt.guildlaunch.com/ or whisper me in game for further details.

Vendetta [VnT]

Vendetta is a hardcore GvG/WvW oriented guild located on Desolation

Our principal aim is to become the best guild in Europe and we are looking for dedicated players who share a similar mindset and goals.

We raid 5 days a week on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and we expect people to be able to attend four out of five raids. Raids commence with sPvP training at 18:30 GMT+1.

At the moment our roster is very competitive to get into and we are only looking for exceptional players. We are currently looking for 2 necromancers and 2 guardians.

These players would need to be experienced at their professions and understand their role in an organised raids of 23-25 as well as in GvG scenarios.

Interviews and sPvP trials will be required before being offered a trial period.

If you are interested, please visit http://vnt.guildlaunch.com/ or whisper Joey Goes Rawr in game for further details and information, or alternatively you can just ask questions in this thread.

Thanks,

Joey

Recent videos:

Scrims against RS and sIN:

GvG against sIN:

GvG against IV:

GvG against GG:

Umad.7528:

LJMaster.6214:

SFR doesn’t blob! Blob blob blob blob blob!

That word should be banned from all SFR match up threads!

In didnt say that. All i said is that your guild cant do anything without a 100 man blob. If you disagree split up your zone blob run 20/25 raid and prove me wrong:) i run with 20/25 guild raid and we destroy blobs so saying u need to blob up to destroy us is just lame argument.

I wish I commanded a 100 man blob! We run with about 30 now

SFR doesn’t blob! Blob blob blob blob blob!

That word should be banned from all SFR match up threads!

You know you all have that weird Internet stalker, the person who goes out his way to check other server’s match ups just to reply to you, the guy who probably has posters of you on his wall and a little shrine. The guy who is so obsessed with you that he writes your character name again and again on his school work, the guy who just wants to be you.

Meet mine ladies and gentlemen .

Kind of gutted that WvW was broke tonight, was commanding my first raid for a week! On the plus side I turned up 30 minutes late so there might have been a bit of hate. Not entirely the worst scenario!

This is just ridiculously easy. Not only did I not die during our raid tonight, I didn’t even take any damage! Seriously guys, I’d work on your individual skill.

Looking forward to being able to play a bit more this week and command a couple more of our raids! Although I am having a bit of a slacker’s fortnight due to university freshers.

Looking forward to some great fights and sieges this week! Kind of gutted we didn’t SFR/Vizu, would be nice to have a test run before the leagues commence in a few weeks.

As much as I love the praise, DVG is far from the reason that Piken is doing so well at the moment, yes we have members online for 24 hours of the day, but it’s the Piken community that is doing so well. Even at the most off peak of hours DVG is still in the minority of players online.

Anyway, thanks for the kind welcome on Piken, it’s really awesome working together for the greater good.

Although stay the optimism a bit, nobody is stronger than SFR at the moment, they have queues on borderlands almost all of the day, then they have a massive night force also.

See you later COIN, you were probably my favourite guild on Desolation, we had completely different aims, but that didn’t stop me respecting you for how good you were. Lost track of the times you backed us up in fights, especially on reset nights, it gave everyone a bit more confidence to be a bit more aggressive (which is the way to be on this game) because we knew we had you guys backing us up.

It did make me laugh how we always seemed to be on the same borderland for reset, maybe it was my irresistible charm? Who knows. I don’t think we ever lost a reset on the borderland we were both on, whichever way you want to judge it, by wipes or by points.

You guys put a lot of effort into becoming the best squad side in Europe, and at this time now you are probably one of the top few. I’m not really one for such kind words, but I was always a bit of a secret COIN fan boy. I mean I will always laugh at the circle, but the amount of times I’ve been in debates because I heard a ‘of they’re kitten anyway’ is ridiculous. Whatever people think of you, you were far from kitten.

I often heard that ‘B’ was one of the best commanders, so it’s a shame I was never able to follow him, I always liked to go out my way to follow the best commanders (Ins, Kora, Elpro, Vero, Perish, Candy, Rox) because there’s a lot you can learn.

Good luck in NA, I hope you find what you’re looking for. I was hoping to be able to fights you guys just once before you moved, unlikely that we’d have won, but it would have been a nice learning experience.

Ps. I will always miss the circle, nice boobs Kora, oh and the meme is for you because I know you’re a big fan.

http://t.qkme.me/3sb33i.jpg (Not sure about forum rules so didn’t want to post the picture directly)

So who’s next?

Oh Jarrod, you say we blob a t3 objective during prime time. We had 40 in our channel during our raid and were running without tag. GT also had an event with 15ish members and were awesome also. Do you think SFR, the best European server, give away these waypoints? They defended epically and we had to build about 6 trebs in total because they kept suiciding them.

I know we’re not the best fighters, we don’t really care for ‘theorycrafting’ and telling certain professions or players that they are not welcome. Anyone was welcome into DVG if they enjoyed playing WvW. That might not mean anything to you or any fellow elitists (it’s a game guys, get a girlfriend or something). I mean its my first MMO and I heard they had some funny elitists, I thought it was a joke when I heard because it’s only a game. It’s funny how you get so worked up over a game mate, relax mate.

As to Toby, if you think that we think we are the best guild you are kidding yourself. We have the biggest presence, but it doesn’t take a genius to work out that COIN are by far the best fighters on deso.

Sven.3680:

DvG was wiping us? Good to know. Poor Piken btw …

. Do you not remember reset? As I stated we had more players when we did it. I didn’t say we’d won a 20man organised GvG because you’d obviously wipe the floor with us .

I would just responding to the suggestion that we ever get wiped by much less numbers, we only raid with like 40. As stated previously, ZBs maybe but they are awesome.

warriorjrd.8695:

LJMaster.6214:

Bamjam.2046:

Khally.5103:

Bamjam.2046:

HAHAHA DVG you bunch of scrubs HAHAHA im glad you finaly leaver our server!!!
First you say you want to reunite all the pugs in desolation FOR desolation and now you got all the pugs your gonna leave because kitten got to hard for you??!!
Noone liked you anyway and im glad your gone and you wont be missed!
And dont even try coming back!!

/end rant

What a shameful post from a commander we fought alongside for months. Interestingly, your guild leader thinks the exact opposite of what you just posted. Oh well, why did I even come to the forums.

Apologies for my post but im just kittening kitten ed off because of this…
Before DVG we had a really nice pug community going and since DVG got created it all went down the drain…
I might have chosen the wrong words to express what i feel but it wont change my opinion on how i feel about DVG and all i can say is good riddance!

Really? Well I was one of these ‘evil’ pugs before DVG was created along with many of others. We now understand WvW and we have improve dramatically as a guild and individuals. We’ve fought alongside many EXG members and I remember following Rox and studying him when i wanted to get my own commander tag. Thanks for the kind words anyway. EXG was my favourite guild on deso, shame you don’t feel the same.

I must admit though, your post is just a complete load of kittene. Anyway yeah, we’re really kitten DVG. We just managed to hold all 3 keeps on SFR borderland for a couple of hours on reset. And we managed to flip the tier 3 bay on Deso (twice) and the same on SFR hills. But yeah, we’re really kitten don’t worry.

You still fail to realise that skill isn’t connected to numbers. All DVG ever did was lead their massive paintrains and blobs on a borderland with stupid music bots the teamspeak. And to think you aren’t a pug anymore is ridiculous, 99% of DVG are just pugs with the same three letters after their name. If you think deso didn’t care about the tick, wait until you get acquainted with piken, i’m sure they will love the skill of arrow carts and blobbing you will bring to the server
You started the guild by saying you were going to train the pugs of deso, but did nothing but please them with plenty of golem rushes and pvdoor. Honestly, that mock guild called “Doors vs guild” is probably the most accurate title for you guys.
Then to make things worse, after you teach everybody new to wvw that the only way to win is to pvd, you discourage those who would disagree with you and rather take a skillful approach to it. You tell other commanders to tag down so they dont take anybody from you 60 man blob, and those that disagree with golem rushing are just being negative and don’t “play for the server”.
It really is funny how a bunch of fair weather fools like yourself have the nerve to claim others don’t play for the server, then when you realize you’re the only person who gave a rats kitten you leave the server.
Deso will be much better off without you, take the pugs who think pvdooring is good with you and leave the ones with an ounce of skill here. I can’t wait for the day deso is matched with piken so I can see for myself the true ferocity of the “commander on training wheels”.

See you later Jarrod.

PvD though? How many tier 3, fully sieged up keeps did you manage to flip this week in prime time?

The way you use the term pug makes me laugh. You’re an elitist kitten who thinks he’s some sort of superior race because he played a game longer than others.

Ins.7139:

Goodbye DVG, you may not have been the best open field fighters or run a very disciplined TS but you have contributed more to Deso’s PPT than most of the WvW guilds put together, and you have done so nonstop since your creation with commanders taking turns to ensure there is always someone to follow.

So thanks for that, and goodbye to the many friends I have in there even if I do laugh everytime I hear about you wiping to much less numbers haha! Goodluck on Piken and I’m sure I’ll be seeing you ingame soon, let me know how a pain train looks from the other side :p

Hahahaha. The only solo guild we have ever wiped to on a raid is ZBs, yes we have more numbers than CON, Second Law when we beat them. I think people get confused when we are having a guild raid and community commanding. I die like once each reset night for the past 2 months, yes it’s because we often have more numbers. But what you say is complete bullkitten, ZBs maybe, but I don’t think anyone else.

Do not compare a community DVG commander with 20 DVG following with a DVG raid, we are usually singing or joking around.

Bamjam.2046:

Khally.5103:

Bamjam.2046:

HAHAHA DVG you bunch of scrubs HAHAHA im glad you finaly leaver our server!!!
First you say you want to reunite all the pugs in desolation FOR desolation and now you got all the pugs your gonna leave because kitten got to hard for you??!!
Noone liked you anyway and im glad your gone and you wont be missed!
And dont even try coming back!!

/end rant

What a shameful post from a commander we fought alongside for months. Interestingly, your guild leader thinks the exact opposite of what you just posted. Oh well, why did I even come to the forums.

Apologies for my post but im just kittening kitten ed off because of this…
Before DVG we had a really nice pug community going and since DVG got created it all went down the drain…
I might have chosen the wrong words to express what i feel but it wont change my opinion on how i feel about DVG and all i can say is good riddance!

Really? Well I was one of these ‘evil’ pugs before DVG was created along with many of others. We now understand WvW and we have improve dramatically as a guild and individuals. We’ve fought alongside many EXG members and I remember following Rox and studying him when i wanted to get my own commander tag. Thanks for the kind words anyway. EXG was my favourite guild on deso, shame you don’t feel the same.

I must admit though, your post is just a complete load of kittene. Anyway yeah, we’re really kitten DVG. We just managed to hold all 3 keeps on SFR borderland for a couple of hours on reset. And we managed to flip the tier 3 bay on Deso (twice) and the same on SFR hills. But yeah, we’re really kitten don’t worry.

So unfortunately the rumours are true…

We have a full long post ready for the Desolation community forums so we’ll leave that as our explanation.

In short we are leaving because we want to be on a WvW – oriented server.

I apologise to the people of Desolation. You’re an amazing community and it was great fun on teamspeak with you all, I have many friends in all the guilds that I’ll miss playing with. I don’t really want to click transfer, but in truth if I remain on Desolation I will probably quit the game within a week or two. Tagging up started to feel like a job to a lot of us and we felt responsible for the entire server so we kept doing so.

Anyway, all the best, we’ll leave a proper post on the Desolation community teamspeak.

Thanks

Ljoey

Bamjam.2046:

HAHAHA DVG you bunch of scrubs HAHAHA im glad you finaly leaver our server!!!
First you say you want to reunite all the pugs in desolation FOR desolation and now you got all the pugs your gonna leave because kitten got to hard for you??!!
Noone liked you anyway and im glad your gone and you wont be missed!
And dont even try coming back!!

/end rant

Who are you?

Unfortunately what you say is true, Desolation is the PVE capital of the world. (They still rarely managed to do Balthazar though, why is this?)

I know some PVE guilds that have tried to host WvW events for only 10 or so members to show any interest even if they a total membership of 500.

I sometimes do guild missions with Exss (a PVE guild) and when we bump into another guild doing missions there is literally about 150 people on the map, it’s a dream wvw force. I hear that some servers were designated WvW before launch and some were more PVE, no?

We even lack people on teamspeak now, we can have 30 in the deso bl channel with a queue on the map, meaning that 50 odd people have no clue what is going on. sadface

I give credit to SFR though, I wish we could motivate more people to do WvW, many attempts have been made, everyone would find it a lot more fun if we had more coverage as well because we would be able to compete against SFR and Vizu.

Tonight we even tried a call to arms so to speak in Lions Arch to see if we could actually get more numbers, nobody was remotely interested. It sucks but we have to keep trying, maybe one day…

Wolfheart.1938:

Lol I recall DVG zone blob getting stomped hard at garrison by pugs with equal numbers, gj there mister guild co-founder. Also the same day random pugs with inferior numbers, no siege and no commander holding Deso for 5+ minutes at lord (see screnshots). Deso average player used to be better, but recently my experiences have all been pretty pathetic. But I hope to be proven wrong.

To the people wanting small fights, you will find me 24/7 in the ruins once they get added, although I fear they will be zerged like crazy at first.

Edit:
Just noticed the edited minimap and possible sarcastic tone of noddan’s post. Nevermind, I’m stupid and that you should know already.

We’ve only had one DVG event and that was reset when we held your garrison for most of the night, sorry to disappoint.

You are probably right about the average player being weaker, it is noticeable when commanding, but they’re just less experienced. There seems to be a big influx of new players, which is great in the long run, difficult in the short term though until they become properly geared and experienced.

Legendary Hardmode.3856:

Thanks Deso for so much Mimimimimimi! A lot of fun And thanks for Gandarra for fights like man not p**** like Deso is!

Best joke tonight: stiello.1875 and thanks to DVG for all the baggys this week. See you soon

From IRAE seriously? Aren’t you the guys that just organise a karma train in the morning? I agree it’s very effective and is the same reason we lose to vizunah and sfr. Other than that I don’t really remember seeing your guild.

Anyway, we had some fun fights with with you all and managed to reset numerous waypoints inside primetime even with all the rivercarts!

I feel bad for Gandara this week, must have been tough, I can understand why you’re resorted to ‘ganking’ and picking off a couple of people from the tail. We were surprised by how strong riverside were outside of prime time as well to be honest.

satkis.7021:

Nice to see riverside fully back in action like back in the day with 1 day matches! Keep up the good work. Nice fights!

LJMaster.6214:

Well congratulations to Riverside for successfully making Desolation look like a combination of Vizunah and Vabbi. We lose every fight with even numbers and then we just have no numbers. Not really sure what has happened to our beloved server.

Dunno about you mate but we been rocking this week! Nice to fight RS, not only the numbers but they now got the skill too. If you wanna win you have to do it right!

We’ve been rocking? Have you even been playing WvW? And I don’t mean the two hours of raiding, we all own then, we have held two keeps on whichever map we have been on during our raids. Riverside have beaten us, yes they seem to have a bit more coverage, but that’s only because we got wiped so many times in the morning and afternoon that people just log off to the cursed shore.

Well congratulations to Riverside for successfully making Desolation look like a combination of Vizunah and Vabbi. We lose every fight with even numbers and then we just have no numbers. Not really sure what has happened to our beloved server.

Atoss.1056:

Don’t worry guys, our towers usually don’t have siege either, cause who would bother to refresh if you can just jump in to the blob train and go get your wxp and flip stuff back later. Since adding of Wxp it started turning into this madness and ppl follow the zerg just to push up that blue bar, but in the end everyone will realize that it’s just “another bar” that you’re making go higher and that you will rarely ever use these abilities because all you do is zerg. Birthday gift boost/Wxp boosters made this even worse and even more and more players jump on the train, I followed it too a bit I admit.
Rare view to see commander stay a bit to siege up tower or upgrade it (even not assign anyone to do it), usually after lord is down someone pops upgrade and the party moves to another tower/map. Miss the old good days.
Gandara is doing well with the small groups, attacking many places (try attack few at once) with Deso/AM blobs running around like crazy searching those wooden doors, but I hope you won’t get infected by this “meta” and won’t start doing it when you have the chance to lower pop servers.
And for the end, for all interested, pls if you see 1v1 going on, just leave it be and let them finish, thx

We did okay, our hills and lake were sieged to the max on reset. After that we just kept taking as much as why can while the pain train just swept through everything. They helped us defend hills a few times as well as we were only 10 people. It was actually pretty effective.

Also, the Deso pain train searched for the upgraded stuff first and managed to flip all the WP/tier 3 towers and keeps. I don’t think they bothered to upgrade and defend much. To be fair though it is frustrating to get a WP in bay/hills (depending on BL) only to know you will lose it in the morning due to the lack of a commander or overall presence in the morning. I’ve wasted plenty of gold building guild siege and upgrading towers/keeps I know will be flipped in the morning. Not really sure why I still do it to be honest, maybe it’s just out of hope.

I do agree with you though, out of the hundreds/thousands of guild arrow carts I have left in keeps I wonder how many have actually been killed, I suspect 99% just despanwed, sometimes I wish we were more like vizunah/riverside on this point.

Wemil, you have never wiped us even numbers, in fact, you have never wiped us, you have treble the numbers yet we still somehow manage to tick the same as you.

Also, we don’t have upscaled people, unless it’s at night and people want to level alts, I’m pretty sure I remember DVG holding Vizunah garrison, along with the two towers and bay for half of reset, but yeah you’re right, we’re really bad at the game and we should consider slapping ourselves in the face.

PS. The only thing you are good at is getting numbers online in the morning, which I congratulate you on, I wish Desolation could do the same, hence this thread. I’m sure if we had the Ze Drots guild we would be equal to SFR, if not higher.

But thanks for commenting on our recruitment thread, we appreciate the kind words, oh and thanks for getting your ‘lieutenant’ to whisper us all the time, seems we have made quite the impression.

FaKie.5634:

If Server A got 100 ppl, Server B got 20 ppl and Server C got 30 ppl, Server B would have outnumbered “buff” (pure Speculation)
If Server A got 100ppl, Server B got 25 ppls and Server C got 25 ppl. Server B and C would have outnumbered “buff” (pure Speculation)
I don’t know the exact numbers, but I don’t think that the numbers of the two servers with lower manpower are added together.

Only one server can have the outnumbered buff. It’s roughly if they are 2.5 times your number. Sometimes we have been outnumbered this week when we’ve had 25-30 defending deso garrison, which is extremely worrying for us as a server.

To be fair actually, I’ve never considered the scenario you have suggested, extremely unlikely that both servers have equal low numbers, it wouldn’t last longer than the first engagements any way haha! It does say on the wiki though lowest server.
Interesting week though, I wonder who might win!

Also to the guy saying that we helped Viz beat you, we actually wanted you to win and often focused on vizunah. This attitude quickly changed when we saw the match up thread haha. But seriously, if it was any other server but desolation you wouldn’t have got as close to vizunah. You lost because they did a call to arms and had every borderland completely full for the last 24 hours. They even had a scout in the two North most towers on Deso bl.

Wemil.7052:

cazza.6078:

I guess this is how Vizunah felt last friday when they steamrolled you for the ninth time in a row.

this is what I enjoy someone try to counter comment me when they don’t now kitten they are talking about.

a) we owned them for 5 days ticked +20k more.

b) they had to call in everyone and more.

c) they played kitten they just had 100 blob on every map.

we are just 30-40 guys and your same numbers your just rage quiting so yh nothing to do about it np.

We had the same numbers? Haha, please don’t make me laugh, you had 30 people defending SM while you had 30 people attacking on Desolation. You also had loads on Elona.

I do credit you though, how on Earth do you motivate people to play WvW in the morning? We really lack coverage then!

DVG – Desolation Vanguard is looking for dedicated players or groups from other servers to aid Desolation’s resurgence.

In short we are primarly looking for players who play during the European night, and more importantly the European morning. We are seriously interested in individuals or groups that can play through any of the hours of 6am onwards. (GMT +1)

With that said, we are interested in any dedicated WvW players who are willing to be part of something amazing as we try to compete with the top European servers.

Desolation has had a recovery these past couple of months. After an elongated period of frustration, a group of individuals decided to unite together to form DVG with the aim of playing for points and returning Desolation to its former glory. Since DVG was formed we have been victorious in numerous match ups and have managed to score over 205k points against Vizunah (an extremely difficult task for those who have faced them!)

Desolation is currently ranked 4th in Europe but we need to increase our coverage to eventually be able to challenge the top 3 sides.

As a server we have great prime time guilds and probably have one of the best reset night forces in Europe. The only thing that is keeping us from pushing on is our lack of coverage, particularly the morning and early afternoon. (GMT)

DVG is attempting to plug this hole, our commanders are usually tagged up for majority of the 22 hours of ‘off peak’, as well as having our own raids during prime time.

Desolation has an awesome alliance of guilds who meet weekly to discuss all things WvW, there is very little drama between the guilds and we are all friends due to our sharing of a community teamspeak and forums.

What DVG can offer you:
- a 24/7 WvW Guild, no matter where you come from, what time you play, we will have members online.
– Over 200 members, growing each day.
– Experienced commanders who are willing to help out and contribute towards tags for those willing.
– Access to the Desospeak community teamspeak.
– Nightly raids as well as our famous ’Desolation’s Got Talent’ karaoke raid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaKkuDaslu8&feature=player_embedded
- A friendly community that welcomes anybody interested in WvW, regardless of previous experience.

We are also willing to contribute to the transfer costs of players or groups who wish to transfer to Desolation due to its high population as being the PVE capital of the Tyria.

We are looking to recruit players that enjoy playing WvW and who want to try and compete with the top ranked European servers.

If you are interested and have any questions then please contact one of the following:
Loona Throatslit
Elprozam
Vothross
Ljoey

Or alternatively make a post on our forums… http://dvg-guild.com/

I understand that changing server is a major decision to please feel free to ask any questions below.

Xentinel.5184:

I’m sorry Deso, unfortunately you cannot change the place with Vizu.
Piken and Riverside would be much better for you (but correct me if i’m wrong).

I correct you, because you’re wrong. We’re going to finish 2nd this week, maybe a close 3rd, but it’s better than winning against those two servers by tens of thousands of points.

Sooooo who’s going to win? I’ve had on vizunah all week. I haven’t been focusing either while commanding (even though a certain someone kept pestering me to do so).

Not sure who I prefer actually, don’t really want either of you too win haha

I’m not going to be pathetic though, I’m just going to keep capping the same stuff as always tonight and tomorrow, may the best side win.

Unfortunately it has resulted in us being trampled at night and in the morning, but it’s to be expected, we essentially have nothing to play for (for me we still do and should try and get as many points as possible).

But congratulations to SFR for coming either 1st or 2nd, you’ve done incredibly well to copy and actually do a more professional job than vizunah in the morning, they’ve resorted to picking up more points at night due to their usual morning ritual not being successful. Seriously, it is really impressive the numbers you can muster in the morning, we need to keep attracting more people to play wvw from within the desolation community, if only lions arch was one of the borderlands, we’d have it fully capped all week!

But it’s been a fun week, I don’t think SFR would have got as close to vizunah had it not been Desolation in the match up also, we do regularly score points of 200k plus against them and are always reducing the points gap between us and them, week by week. But even so, great credit SFR for doing a thoroughly professional job and maniging to attract more players and organisation throughout the 22 off peak hours of the day.

Rajnesh.4526:

The Crown Pavilion stole SFR players too,….but we are actualy not sad about it.
Having no, or short, queues at 18:00-19:00 gmt+1-2 is very nice.

If you ask me:

“PLEASE GREAT ANET, MAY THIS PVE-FARM-EVENT NEVER ENDS!”

It has nothing to do with prime time, we always have queues here due to the guilds raids and it’s probably the reason we are always winning tick wise during this period.

Where it hakitten us it outside of prime time, the morning, afternoon, and the night. We really have had a noticeable lack of players this week, even on Saturday when we were winning after reset not many players logged into wvw. This surprised me personally as I thought everyone would be like ‘holy kitten , look how well we’re doing in wvw against the two best servers.’ Sadly, that didn’t happen.

Axle.5182:

Solraven.8627:

Basically, we are Deso – WE define how we play.
And if opposing servers dont like dieing to us I suggest they drop down the ranking a bit and fight somebody else.

Well said

Every single match one server criticizes another over it’s choice of playstyle dictating that everyone should play by their rules. Viz stop night capping and hiding in your keeps, Deso stop blobbing , Piken plays for the fights and not points so everything else is unacceptable and wrong. SFR wants opponents to face them in equal numbers in open field so they can GvG etc.

These are the best two posts on this forum so far.

Also, to the guy who said 10 AC built in the tower? You are joking right? You think we’d waste supplies building ACs on a tower near your spawn when we were killing you fine without them?

warriorjrd.8695:

LJMaster.6214:

I hate the word blob. I had a group of 45 and I was running without tag, 35 DVG, 10 friendlies, and it was absolutely epic on viz bl! What am I supposed to do? Turn some guildies away and tell our friends to stop following us? Why does it matter if GoD run with 40 people and you run with 20? Maybe if you acted in a different way you’d have more than 19 friends That ZBs guild I mentioned earlier were epic, they had about 45 also and because they were incredibly organised they could achieve anything, with a group of about 20 you can have some nice fights, but you can’t exactly dominate a battlefield.

It was fun fighting against ECL and the other SFR guild on viz bl tonight, apologies for not remembering the tag. We’re struggling a bit for coverage this week, or maybe we just need to organise our foces more. SFR are very impressive with their organisation, it is really impressive.

Whether or not you can help it, if you run with a large number of players, thats a blob. It doesn’t matter if it’s one guild or 80% one guild and 20% another. And I think what you meant is you hate the negative taste attached with the word blob. The reason blobs are looked down upon is because when you blob, you usually force the other servers to blob so that they can counter you, and when two blobs meet in combat the server simply cannot handle it. Also when smaller guild group are trying to work on squad play and get some nice smaller scale fights and then they get steam rolled by 60 people it’s pretty annoying. The fact remains is that every server blobs and there’s nothing you can really do to stop it.

A blob is a blob, a large guild group is a guild blob. Blob blob blob.

So a guy comes to our server and wastes our entire supply in garrison and EB keep building trebs next to the supply depot. GG Trixy The Forgotten. This has completely screwed us up and has allowed vizunah to get ahead of us in the point system.

I hate the word blob. I had a group of 45 and I was running without tag, 35 DVG, 10 friendlies, and it was absolutely epic on viz bl! What am I supposed to do? Turn some guildies away and tell our friends to stop following us? Why does it matter if GoD run with 40 people and you run with 20? Maybe if you acted in a different way you’d have more than 19 friends That ZBs guild I mentioned earlier were epic, they had about 45 also and because they were incredibly organised they could achieve anything, with a group of about 20 you can have some nice fights, but you can’t exactly dominate a battlefield.

It was fun fighting against ECL and the other SFR guild on viz bl tonight, apologies for not remembering the tag. We’re struggling a bit for coverage this week, or maybe we just need to organise our foces more. SFR are very impressive with their organisation, it is really impressive.