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I think it’s gonna be a very even matchup this round. I had a blast last night when I was in WvW!

Good luck to all three servers!

Asura
Elementalist
No speed buffs

Finished the puzzle after an hour or so of getting the timing down, I’m glad it was a challenge.

I’m glad everyone is in a unanimous agreement that server transfers are what all of the problems stem from, and from reading some of the other WvW server threads, every problem that a server tends to have boils back to server population.

I don’t think the argument at this point is whether server population or skill is more important in WvW, they’re both equally important variables. I think the main problem is not anything we can solve sadly, since Anet thinks it’s a lovely idea to put off implementing the guesting system for a while longer. I hope after the Halloween event, they address this issue full throttle and solve it soon after, because if this goes on for much longer, WvW will die whether they realize it or not. WvW was one of the biggest selling points for GW2 PvP, I hope they wouldn’t just throw that away just because a small amount of PvE’ers would get upset.

I know Anet says their working really hard to get this issue resolved, but… they need to either work faster or harder than they already are to solve this. Otherwise, the fate of WvW is sealed.

Lord Aargadon.4135:

Keeping with Matts positive input, if any of you know any guilds that are tired of Ques, our night( or late day really, we NSP are starting to lack everywhere now) shift could really really really use some love.

Yes, this as well. I forgot to mention this in my post above. Thanks for saying this.

We’re willing to take anyone that wants to move to NSP (be it a guild, group of players, or a single player, every bit helps) and we’ll accept you with open arms. The community here is definitely great and we’re overall a friendly server. I’ll leave it at that before it turns into a server recruitment thread instead of a WvW thread

After reading this thread and given some time to think about things, I made a number of different observations about the things that are going on.

First, I’m gonna say that I’m disappointed in whoever managed to get the other thread locked. I don’t know who said what or any of the specifics, but that does give our group of servers a really bad impression on the rest of the community. Not only that, it may misguide anyone that is thinking of transferring to one of our servers and realizes that the server they wanted to transfer to had such a bad impression on the community that their WvW thread was locked. That’s a bit of a stretch for the WvW mindset, but it’s still a possibility. It’s also not the main point of what I wanted to say…

Second, NSP has gone through some really weird messes with the structure and organization of their guilds/population/WvW probably moreso than most of the servers in the game. I won’t go through the history of the server again here because it takes too long, but this isn’t the first time (or second time) that we’ve had massive amounts of guilds leave from our server. I don’t know why this is, and although I can generate different theories on what may have happened to those guilds/our population, that doesn’t really matter. The issue is that it is happening and we need to do something to fix it. I know the guilds on our server have some great potential in their leadership and their numbers, but we need to stay motivated through the tough times and keep trying even though we’re losing. If you’re really dedicated to your server and WvW in general, you have to realize that to get better, sometimes you have to lose and find out your problems so you can fix them. The only way to get better is to play better servers with different strategies and situations. I’m sure Maguuma has a certain strategy they use, and I know Darkhaven definitely has a certain strategy (Nightcapping is a form of strategy as much as everyone may not want to admit it). We just need to learn to adapt better which we can only do by learning their tactics, which may require us to lose. It’s not a bad thing, and no one should be discouraged by that.

Another thing I’ve seen is everyone complain about how our server is doing poorly, and yes, that appears to be the case by the score count. But I would also like to point out that we had an excellent run two weeks ago against SoR and Yaks. Yes, we weren’t the same server we were two weeks ago, but the fact that we held our ground against both of those servers should be a total morale booster. We only lost during the final hours of the match-up against two servers that we tier-jumped to. That is something to be proud of, and I don’t know why everyone got discouraged after that. Now it’s like we can’t even hold our ground in general. I don’t know exactly how many people/guilds we’ve lost since then, but surely we haven’t lost enough to have a significant impact on our WVW.

On a similar note (for those who transferred or are thinking about transferring from any server), I would like to say that if your current stance against server transfers are that they are killing WvW because of the bandwagon-jumping, then it’s kind of hypocritical to server-jump for a similar reason. I saw it during the first time NSP had these problems where people said things like “We’re here to stay and help NSP come back from it’s losses!” then transfer from the server two days later because “It’s impossible due to having no numbers/bad organization”. I’m just saying you can’t get organized without having someone willing to organize it, so in reality, don’t complain unless you’re willing to put the effort into organization yourself. For those who do try and organize things, I give major props to you and hope to continue seeing you guys around.

So to prevent further rambling by me, I’ll let my mind rest and continue to watch this thread develop over time along with watching WvW scores/analysis closely.

To sum it up, everyone needs to stop the trash-talking, take the losses that happen as a learning experience/practice, and stop transferring servers if you really hate the free server transfers as much as you guys say you do. It’ll preserve the lifetime of the game along with keeping the fun levels to a maximum (which I know seems hard to do sometimes due to bugs, bots, ect.).

On that note, good luck to all three servers in WvW!

This is absolutely one of the classiest match-ups that I have seen in my WvW history. Despite the beginning where YB orb hacked (which they have apologized for explicitly and I thank and respect you guys for that). The whole match has been balanced and really close. I’d hate to see any of us get kicked out of this bracket and I really wish WvW matches were like this every round.

I really hope that if one of us ends up leaving this bracket (which someone above said it’s inevitable) that we do end up meeting up again and have another balanced match like we had this time around. I’m giving everyone on all the servers major props for the good match-up and I really hope to be matched up against you guys in the future. It has been one hell of a ride this week in WvW, and I’ve enjoyed every minute of it.

Thanks again guys!

Radiodread.8469:

Massage to AR and BP

Also, where’s mine?

I just noticed this after reading the thread a few times, lol.

Seriously though. Major props to BP and AR for last night, that was crazy and intense. That whole keep battle was literally insane. Good job guys. Well played.

Rusty.8697:

Let’s not start the slandering matches. I’m a leader in [ANV] and I’ve had great fights with you guys in NSP all week, regardless of orb ownership. Hope they continue and you guys move on up a tier. The 3-4 hour spiritholme battles the other night were great fun! Much love and cold steel from [ANV]! Kudos!

I agree with you fully. I’m starting to think you if mention the NSP server in general, then you automatically set yourself up for a slandering match… And that’s not really a good thing for anyone. It’s completely childish and immature and not only that, it ruins the GW2 community in general and the server communities within the bickering servers. I personally think these threads shouldn’t exist at all if this is what they’re gonna be.

We’ve had to work really hard considering that major WvW guilds server-swapped right before we started the 24h match-ups. And we’ve put in just as much work in WvW as every other server within the game. I respect all of the servers for dealing with the matchmaking system and with the hacking situation that happens across the board. I apologize that our server has these hackers on the server, and I wish they were banned and everything was reset just as much as you guys do. You guys are really respectable servers and we’ve had some good fights.

It doesn’t matter if we move up or down this week, or next week, or 30 months from now. We just want the match-ups to be as even as possible to prevent all of the current stuff from happening. Hell, I don’t care if we’re at the bottom of the very last tier in the game, if that’s where we belong skill-level wise, then so be it. I would be fine with that as long as we’re evenly matched. Are we evenly matched now? We’ll never find out until we move up. We might get owned in the next bracket, and if that’s the case all the guilds on NSP are willing to work really hard to make sure that we improve our skill level to hit that next bracket. That should be the mentality of all the servers.

I hope the hacking situation does get resolved for the better, whatever direction that may be. I also hope that you guys continue to improve your strategies and skills as well so that if we do get pushed back down with you guys, we won’t have to deal with this situation again. That goes for all servers we’ve faced too, not just Anvil Rock and Borlis Pass.

I have to give all my respect to Sam now for making that post above. Well done, it completely sums up everything that needed to be said. Glad to have you here.

Raiyn.5397:

Anvil Rocks biggest problem is the horrendous zerg otherwise known as TFO. They clearly have no concept of how WvW works… They run around the map in a circle dropping 3 rams on a gate (that’s 18 silver for every single gate, so the money comment is also voided by them), capping it, and then immediately leaving it completely undefended. I’m not sure if they’re just dumb or trolling that hard, but I think someone should let them know that you don’t get point by capping then losing what you capped 5 minutes later. You have the people in WvW during the day, you just have absolutely no organization whatsoever. That is the primary reason that you guys are losing right now

I’ve been a witness of this myself, and it’s pretty common I guess this early in the game’s release. People think they can just take a fort and leave it undefended, the defense though is just as important, if not more important than the offense crew that takes the fort. Lots of servers have this issue, and I see this happen on Northern Shiverpeaks pretty often as well. When people start learning that, perhaps the game will change a bit.

Windmoor.9834:

I’ll admit, I and Blackout [BLO] did faulter. It was over a week after AA left us to die. I was in the Red Boarderlands everyday and night trying to orginize us, but to no avail. I spent over 20g in siege during this period, only to watchit time and again get destroyed because the zerg never had supply. That’s all anyone thought to do, run around in 1 big pack of mindlessness.

It was heart breaking to finally come to the decission to leave. But it was not just me that got fed up, it was my whole guild. We never truely recovered from that. I still have a hard time getting guildies to enter WvW. After less then a week on a new server, we decided that our recruitment opertunities were pretty much dead with so many other bigger guild names, so we came home. Recruitment is still hard, but we are happier in NSP

I will continue to be in there orginizing, and teaching when needed. Other times, watch for that little group not in plain sight, you just might see the [BLO] tag. And if you see a ranger with said tag…bring more then 5 to kill him, you’ll need it…lol

I was very sad to see you leave temporarily for those few days too, that event alone almost made me have second thoughts about what I was going to do, but I stuck to my own guns for this one, and I was very glad when I received news that your guild had returned, because you guys in [BLO] are really the sneakiest strike team I’ve ever seen. We all make mistakes, I’m just glad you guys are back now.

Also, I think this is a good time to thank all of those guilds helping Northern Shiverpeaks out by organizing and taking objectives strategically, you guys are doing a great job and I want you guys to keep up the good work! Major props to those guys that are shelling out their hard-earned gold for equipment and upgrades as well.

YPC.6349:

I am sorry that I miss the Angry Army part. That make some sense now. Before that what we think about NSP is, well, not some nice words you want to hear again and again. As of HOPE, winning in bottom two tier with such WvW pop and some off-hour crew won’t prove you anything. Anyway, Good luck and hope we won’t see you guy again.

BTW, one thing I don’t understand is why you guy still stay on NSP. It is tainted with so many bad names (coat-tail leftover, cavalier :P). And there are so many alternative world to start over. Is there ant particular reason you stay?

Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but the reason I stayed personally is because I picked this server and have a sense of loyalty to it, and I couldn’t even think about leaving the server after we started getting pummeled after Ascension Alliance left. I wanted to help the server I chose at the beginning instead of running away to a top server like I know some people did. I would rather win by working my way to the top by something I can be a part of instead of just being at the top with no work involved.

I guess it’s a sense of just wanting to work back up the chain here because we’ve seen all these guilds and players just get up and leave for different reasons and I personally want to stay and bring our server back up the roster. Why didn’t we chose another server? As I said earlier, it was really just an unfortunate series of events and why go to another server when there’s a problem needing to be fixed right where we are?

Also, I understand that winning against bottom tier guilds isn’t a great accomplishment, but it’s a start considering what we’ve been through and where we started at. We’re working on it, because we still have a long way to go before we even come close to the top. We might not even make it, I don’t know yet, it’s too early to tell. Anything can happen from what I’ve seen at this point.

I do respect the servers that are respecting us and our situation and I’m very sorry for you guys (Anvil Rock, Ferguson’s Crossing, Kaineng, Devona’s Rest) that are on the receiving end of all this madness. Good luck to you guys in future brackets and in WvW this current week!

Coolmoos.8546:

If we leave here.. who will stay? We already been abandoned once. Its not a good feeling.

We got something good going on finally and we feel pretty good about it. Some of us have been working SO HARD getting some organization going again.

This is only the beginning for us I feel We will get out of this “tainted state”

Basically this. Way shorter version of what I just said. I should just leave the replying to you

Yep yep, I know exactly where your coming from. Most of the work being done is coming from organized guilds, like it should be, instead of zerging around the map (I think Windmoor mentioned something like this earlier in the thread). I do want people to understand that as well, because I see lots of confusion earlier in the thread.

Coolmoos.8546:

Lets make this clear…. Angry Army has little to do with why we are doing so well atm. I have a few friends in AA and I ask them how many at any given time are in WvW… the numbers are few.

Did them moving to the server help.. yes it did. It brought a TON of people, but at the same time these people are low lvl and aren’t in WvW that much.

When i’m in EB i’m constantly looking to see what guilds are around. I rarely see AA

I didn’t actually know that since I’m constantly in different borderlands with my guild, but all they really gave us was numbers. I’ve heard many people say that they weren’t helping, so thank you for mentioning that as well, knew I forgot something in my ramble. I figured I would mention Angry Army in case someone tried to bring up that in a future argument. But thanks for clarifying that issue.

I think lots of us don’t actually understand what happened with our server that put is in the current position, so let me briefly (hopefully briefly at least) explain as to what happened to our server.

First, as everyone seems to be aware of, we were occupied by Ascension Alliance [AA] near the beginning of the game’s launch and they pushed us near the top of the WvW bracket. Then, Ascension Alliance left due to queue times to another server. Therefore, this destroyed our organization and left us in the top bracket with nothing. So, we had to suffer, just like the servers right now, and watch ourselves get pummeled into the ground by massive score differences for many of the 24h matches because we literally had no numbers and no organization.

Near the end of the 24h matches, we have a new alliance from what I understand by the name of [HOPE] made of many organized WvW central guilds because we don’t like following the zerg and want to get our server organized and back into the game.

What we didn’t expect was Angry Army [AA] from Henge of Denravi server to storm in and increase our zerg numbers by huge amounts and put us into a different population bracket. This happened during the first day of the 1 week long matches. This also caused our WvW matches now to skew so they are no longer balanced by population and now we have to work our way back up to the bracket that we belong in.

So, you guys have fallen victim to two positive (some may argue this) events for NS at the same time, and that’s very unfortunate, but please understand that we cannot control guilds of 500+ transferring to our server because of queue times.

Bottom line, we suffered though some tough matches, and you guys will have to do the same. It’s just a very unfortunate situation for all of us bottom bracket servers at the moment.

I wasn’t in WvW last week (Home server NS), but I heard that was mostly due to zerging, and I’m sure we all know how that goes… So I really apologize for those on the receiving end of the massive capping that kept happening during the last few days.

(I can’t make a comment on us since I’ll be biased personally)

Ynot.8397:

MATT THE OWNER.7412:

Kiviar.7063:

Splintrr.7391:

I’m surprised to see Northern Shiver winning, why were they in our bracket last week if they can win in the their own bracket by so much?

Because Anvil still has points from the 24h matches which we did okay in, but nearly every organized guild has evacuated to higher pop servers.

The sad thing is, neither Yak nor NS were actually better than AN in terms of skill. Once they got an population advantage in a map they just roll it. At that point nobody wants to spend 1-5g a day on siege to grind our way back.

I’m not even gonna lie, I’m home server on NS, and basically once an organized guild takes a keep or two and holds something, the zerg does the rest of the work. We’re working though to change that so it’s more organized and stuff. But until then… sadly the zerg is kinda helping us win it atm, which I don’t necessarily like. I’d rather lose strategically than win with zerging.

Perhaps you could convince them to let ferg or anvil have some of this back?

Sadly, the zerg doesn’t listen to anyone… not even to their own commanders. Otherwise, I’m sure you guys would have more of that back by now.

Kiviar.7063:

Splintrr.7391:

I’m surprised to see Northern Shiver winning, why were they in our bracket last week if they can win in the their own bracket by so much?

Because Anvil still has points from the 24h matches which we did okay in, but nearly every organized guild has evacuated to higher pop servers.

The sad thing is, neither Yak nor NS were actually better than AN in terms of skill. Once they got an population advantage in a map they just roll it. At that point nobody wants to spend 1-5g a day on siege to grind our way back.

I’m not even gonna lie, I’m home server on NS, and basically once an organized guild takes a keep or two and holds something, the zerg does the rest of the work. We’re working though to change that so it’s more organized and stuff. But until then… sadly the zerg is kinda helping us win it atm, which I don’t necessarily like. I’d rather lose strategically than win with zerging.

Northern Shiverpeaks – 53,243 (510)
Anvil Rock – 15,478 (40)
Ferguson’s Crossing – 14,070 (145)

It was more fair last night, but now it’s completely skewed.

First off, my home server is Northern Shiverpeaks and I’ve been watching this battle play out over the past few days. So I can kinda see the battle play out between you and us and understand what you’re saying.

Basically, I have to agree with what you’re saying. NS has been struggling over the past few weeks to even pull our WvW together and I still would like to say that I’m not sure if it’s still entirely stable (with all those guilds that were originally here and then moved because of queue times). I’ve had friends that once my server started losing heavily by similar landslides that you’ve experienced (not in our favor of course), they decided to change servers to one of the top 3 just so they could win WvW.

I respect the fact that you do take some pride in your server location and that despite getting steamrolled by other servers, you still enjoy what you’re doing and that’s good. I personally stayed on this server because it feels more rewarding to work up to something good instead of having it handed to you. I’m not sure if that’s what you’re trying to say or not, but I’m sure I’m not too far off.

Us lower populated servers have to stick together in a way because we all experience the same problems, but we’re still here because we’re with enjoyable people and we’re here to enjoy the game and maybe make something great out of it. I’d rather fight for my victory or take an earned loss than to just let others win the game for me, that removes the fun factor, and then what’s the point of the game then?

Since servers change within a few hours, I wish you guys luck on your next match-up and hope you guys on Kaineng have a good WvW experience next round.

Still not working on Northern Shiverpeaks either.

Bugged on Northern Shiverpeaks as well.