There will be two types of people posting on this thread, those who say: “nothing you can do about that its just gonna happen” and those who say “OMG GET GOOD l2ZERG LUL BADZ” I will say neither. you kill those mother kitteners, you tee bag those mother kitteners, you dont call for reinforcements and you die gloriously in mother kittening battle. YOU WILL NOT RUN UNTIL YOU SINGLEHANDEDLY DRAW SWORDS!
all rangers should quite the wvw or at least stop running with zergs because they are liability and are useless, and it’s not just my opinion… It’s 98% of gw2 wvw community opinion.
(of course hopefully assuming that rangers make only 2%)
Or you could lobby anet to help the poor rangers, lol.
all rangers should quite the wvw or at least stop running with zergs because they are liability and are useless, and it’s not just my opinion… It’s 98% of gw2 wvw community opinion.
(of course hopefully assuming that rangers make only 2%)
ok so for all you defenders of condi bunker builds: WAKE THA kitten UP!
and realize its broken. Dire stats give you c/t/v so you max out your dmg your toughness and your vitality. Yes its not effective in zerg play but the issue is not there but in solo roaming/dueling.
Go to OS and see who is it dominated by. Condition necros, mesmers, thief, engies and even eles and warriors.
Regular power builds stand little to no chance against your regular condition build with dire stats/perplexity runes.
The reality is that in those situations delivering direct damage is a lot harder and is a lot less rewarding than delivering passive damage and just kiting around.
So where is the balance?
a warrior does not counter a necro. if you cant dodge, stunbreak and attrition him for 8 seconds while his zerker stance is protecting him you dont know how to use your abilities. Note to all dumb necros that dont know warrior class: blinds counter cleansing ire so use them PROPERLY not spam faceroll. a good necro should never lose in a 1v1 period. If a warrior misses their ES because you blinded them, weaken them, fear them and bomb them. if they hit their ES, l2dodge or pop a defensive cooldown and dont let it happen again. for every zerker stance a warrior has a necro has either a teleport swiftness stunbreak or a protection stunbreak. In an organized 1v1 a warrior will have signet of stamina which can clear every condi every 45 seconds or if traited 20% sooner. its easy to either bait them into using it with bleed stacking and kiting, or interrupting with a fear.
If you lose its not because warriors are OP its because you suck
edit: a warrior may swap stuff out to attempt to counter a necro so you should try it too, get a focus to rip them of their fury, 5 stacks of might, and swiftness right off the start and it makes your life 3 times as easy…
yeah… that pretty much sums it all up…. you just forgot about going plague while waiting for cool-downs and getting hp doubled
It’s also pretty annoying to go to OS and find it filled with condi necros and p/d cheese condi thiefs
WvW would probably be empty if down state was removed. Hardcore, skilled, organized players would be wiping groups 5x+ there number. The bads and pugs would get frustrated getting wiped over and over again and quit wvw. Majority of wvw are casuals and skill less zergers and the removal of the down state would alienate majority of the wvw player base. Though it does sound like it would be fun.
I disagree with you. I think it would encourage pugs to actually bring something to the table and make themselves into more than just a supply mules/wxp farmers. Just because someone is a casual player doesn’t mean they should come to wvw on their pve builds and get rewarded for it simply by attaching themselves to map blob.
I don’t think that the 1-2min wait time is a good idea, most of the time run back feels punishing enough but I have to agree on everything else you said Paxus
Removing downstate would completely break this game.
The very notion of it is silly.
what exactly would be broken? Only groups that benefit from downstate are blobs that consist mostly of unskilled players, skilled players would be nothing but rewarded by It.
map blobs would think twice before engaging skilled guild group.
how about roamers that rally of rondom deer that Just happens to be there, do you find It amusing to kill same Player twice; or he might run away bacause he killed a deer before you could Get the stomp off.
It can stay in pvp but wvw would be better without it
Backatabs are pretty op, agreed, but in reality when you fight thief and they go invis all you gotta do is press “w”, move your mouse randomly and keep autoatacking.
unless they are really good they will most likely miss a back stab, and just hit you for normal dmg.
Most of my fights consist of downing someone in a 1v2 or 1v3 totally outplaying them but them using downed state plus other stalling abilities to wait for more people who either kill me stomping or rezz up the person I have killed and force me to retreat.
I do this over and over until I realise its totally pointless and log.
This happens majority of fights, noone comes to fight me unless they have help in form or npcs or other players nearby. Why should they?
teach me you ways master! I want to be as pro as you! But seriously, looks like you just came here to slob your own knob and look for people to join in on that
Well I was on FA since the launch. Before summer I transferred to BG. Just needed a little change and figured maybe T1 server is a good idea. It wasn’kittens just a blob fest where solo roaming is next to impossible. Moved back to FA as soon as I made enough money for transfer. I guess being T1 has its flaws.
Ya I realize that about melandru, but I would expect -65 Condi duration to be actually more effective. I agree on the fact that Condi necros,are useless in large group. I feel like I should have clarify in the first post that I’m talking roaming.
Yes there is just too much condi removal. Anet needs to do something so there is even some point use condi spec in www.
I tend to believe guardians have most Condi removal, when specced for that: all utilities and virtue of resolve plus signet and passive,(5 condis every 36 sec, all condis every 60sec, and 2 condis every 10sec) but what’s the point when you face against signet of spite wells, death shroud, plague, staff and the icing on the cake: scepter/dagger.
warrior running melandru runes, -40 condi food zerker stance and stamina signet and still gettin my kitten handed in 1v1 9 out of 10 times. tried med guard, same scenerio.
anyone else,feels as useless as me fighting them?
are you already spvp experienced? like rank 20+
just asking because if no then this might explain all and necros are not op at all xD
like I already said multiple times: despite the fact that I don’t spvp alot they don’t give me trouble there. I put this thread in wvw section because that’s where I had trouble dealing with them (at least since condi meta became viable), doing solo roaming which is how I spent most of my time in game (next to guild raiding). Either way, plenty of people already gave me pretty good idea and how to counter them and its working (thx to those people).
Im so mad, Just raging with fury… Lol no im Just tryin to figure out how to fight them and have a chance of winning. There is plenty of classes that can whoop my kitten , kitten I can duel warrior on my guard without much trouble- win or loose. So don’t post here unless you wanna say something constructive.
Not sure what kind of necro you’re fighting. “Condi bomb” is a bit vague. A few tips to help with general necro fights:
-If they’re running signet of spite, you need to save a dodge. When you see the signet activate above their head, you need to dodge IMMEDIATELY. Alternatively, you could save your zerker stance and use that to counter the spite. That’s probably the “condi bomb” you’re experiencing.
-Save your dodges, zerker stance, and stunbreaks. A very common combo with necros is using the flesh golem knockdown into spite. When you get kd’d by the flesh golem, stunbreak immediately and dodge. You should avoid most of their “condi bombs” like this. Similarly with fear —> spite. Note that fear counts as a condition, so it can be removed by condi clears as well.
-Try the stunlock hammer and mace/shield build. Necros have almost no stunbreaks, so if you can keep the pressure on, most will panic. Shield also gives you additional blocks against their condis.
-Alternatively, you could run greatsword and just reset the fight when you’re low. Necros have very poor mobility, so you should always be able to run from one, or at least reset long enough that you regen most of your health.
That said, I generally agree with you. A good condition necro, I think, is at the top of the 1v1 chain right now (right up there with spirit rangers and PU mesmers). Gives me trouble no matter which class I’m playing.
thats very helpfull. lots of tactics explained in depth i will keep in mind thx
abuse your superior application of CC as a warrior to prevent the necro from applying high bleeding stacks whilst dishing out the pain. when they hit 50% and turn green they will break any stun they have on and try not to attack them so they gain minimal lifeforce. try Mace/ Shield Greatsword it works well to force them to use up their death shroud to stay alive and have a nice burst. once you execute your rotation use the superior mobility of GS to stay away from the necro if u need to regen or switch back Mace to go for another stun…really with so much stability and zerker stance the average necro should not be able to outlast you by kiting and they ca only corrupt stability once every 45 seconds but u may have 3 of them. if you still cant win bring even more cc heavy weapon sets or even play to your strengths at range….the fight is naturally in your favor as a warrior. Longbow is a nice weapon to bring to the fight as well since the burst skill requires no target to hit for you to consume adrenaline to cleanse conditions from cleansing ire.
maybe the posters here could help you out better if you show them what build are you using not just runes and food.
will try that as well havent really gave much time to mace/shield yet, Im pretty new to warrior only 150+ hours on it, used to run guardian before
Hambow, Tada you can beat a necro now. Stay on him with CC nerco had very little most likely no stability in Condi spec.
ya tried that already but like i said that condi bomb gets me down before i can get the stomp off, even the kitten ton off cc warriors have doesnt seem enough, but keeping them in long range seems to work perfect. LB/GS seems to work perfect
well and of course we got a necro defending necros, without any constructive criticism
lol red head child? its one of the top classes for both zerging and roaming, not sure how it works in pve but you must be living in your own special world if you trully believe what you wrote
necro in the video is actually a bunker hybrid so the bomb is not quite as strong and its a bit different scenario since its spvp but i do get your point, and thx you are very helpfull
Well, because obviously those runes and food combined with utilities (all anti condi utilities) dont mean kitten against never ending condi necros bomb… condi engies- fine good balanced fight, condi thiefs- good balanced fight, condi anything but necros- good balanced fight, but fighting condi necros feels like there is never enough condi removals/reductions to sustain and even when i get them down, conditions finish me off before i get the stomp
edit: dont get me wrong I’m not tryin to cry on how super op they are (can always avoid the fight, after all i play warrior), just tryin to get opinions from other people, if anyone else feels as useless 1v1-ing condi necros as much as me, and if not how to counter
warrior running melandru runes, -40 condi food zerker stance and stamina signet and still gettin my kitten handed in 1v1 9 out of 10 times. tried med guard, same scenerio.
