Guild Wars 2

kyro.8162:

Krypty.3897:

Aurust.8961:

TIMMEH.8106:

Burl.9567:

WIGZ.8245:

Don’t really care what happens, Wagonbrand or kitten Coast, either way. Both can field comparable numbers to BG/JQ/SoR. TC and SoR have something in common, server wide blobs per map. Makes WvW look bad when that kind of approach to it is not only necessary but required.

Dat PPT… So boring.

BT is bored already?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?!

Thats not what he said at all……The server wide zerg blob approach to PPT is boring.

We have been having fun.

Perhaps they are forming a blob in response to the borderland crashing blobs that BT and RISE have been running lately. SOR NA usually has several groups going on a single map during NA prime and only form up to counter a blob….

Wait what. SoR only forms up to counter a blob? Isn’t SoR’s reputation primarily that you usually have absurdly large zergs? Maybe I play at weird times or something.

From what I’ve seen in wvwvw yes. When there is only one organized guild on a BL, all the militia/pugs/rallians follow that guild, forming the large blob. But if say, FEAR, TSYM, and Choo happened to be on the same map (this did happen when red bl was broken) they run in three separate groups. The merging happens when one of these guilds whether from JQ, SoR, or BG wipes to what they perceive to be a larger force (or really is a larger force). These guilds then start to run together, forming the so widely adored map zergs.

So in reality, no one really knows who started the map zerging, and since wvwvw is a persistent battle one map zerg could log off before the rest. This leads to players just logging in to experience these map zergs and complain about it. This also explains why so many people are complaining about SoR’s zergs.

Since SoR has a HEAVY east presence, the other servers tend to bunker down all in the same map, usually forming a map zerg causing SoR to form their own. By the time the other pst based guilds log in, they see the monsters they created.

+1 couldnt have said it better myself if i tried. I doubt anybody goes out there thinking they are going to form the biggest kittening zerg ever in the history of mankind, it just happens and the opposition just see the result.

Like the TSYM horde in BGBL last night EU time – where the hell did you lot come from :p

Offski.4897:

Sacrx.6721:

How is US t1 now?. Any guilds actually running in 20-30 man or is it all on 1 commander 24/7 60-100 man blobs all week?. Making usual excuse for being bad its not gvg its wvw… From reading first few pages seems fair few guilds interested in some GvG. How are the EU hours?. How is the lag etc?.

Ignore the other replies they are mainly talking about hours outside EU, lag is better than I experienced in eu t1. EU hours are not the most exciting due to lack of medium/large sized guilds, most keeps are wooden, usually there is minimal blobs, skill lag on eb and that is it.

BG & JQ need a eu presence, if you guys come, I am sure some other EU will join you or go to another server. TBH it would be great if top eu guilds would move on mass, we dont have problems with coverage on the NA servers, so the pvd complaints/issues are not so relevant.

Persoanlly I love NA, I can fight SEA time, EU time and NA time and actually have decent fun fights. Anyway would be nice to have some more opposition in EU.

Just like to reiterate this. When we first transfered over from the EU servers to US we were worried about skill lag, but we found that actually it was far better. Either the connections are better/simpler to get to them, or the servers here are not held together by duct tape like in the EU :p

Having more EU over here would make T1 a much better place to be. Having IRON here has stepped it up a notch, numbers wise they dominate. JQ has no organised guilds at this time, and BG just has us in RK for the EU timeslot and IRON outnumber us 3:1.

If JQ were to get another guild even of RK’s size then then match would be much better rounded, at the moment we cant stop them, but thats because they dont have to worry about a JQ presence. So if guilds are going to come across i would say go JQ first!

They should have made all servers universal to start with, would have stopped a lot of the PvD arguements off the bat. Personally i would like to see the 3 servers here talking and organising to fill each others gaps outside of NA prime.

p.s. Anyone else think the server availability always being full for BG and JQ is bull? Full in EU time..seriously?

Okay for those asking about numbers during EU timeslot here are 2 raw footage videos showing numbers.

BGbl SoR Militia

BGbl IRON

Now yes we do not have the outmanned buff, but in both of those clips we are in the only tower that BG holds, and we ARE outnumbered. The transfer of a guild fielding double the size of the largest opponent is a very important factor. Guild groups are very important in this game, as they can oppose much larger militia groups.

But so is the fact that we are not seeing JQ on the field. JQ need an EU guild similar size to BG (20) in order to balance the playing field for a full on 3 way matchup.

I dont mean to come across as having a go Warlord, or putting the rest of SoR down. I just think you are underestimating the full affect that "one EU guild" can have, especially one of IRON’s quality.

What SoR have shown this week is that they clearly have the ability to hold onto their stuff once they have it, but up untill now they have had to spend far too much time getting it back first! Think you have it in the bag so GJ on the win!

Waage.2047:

And we have the greatest commander of all the servers. Waage the GREAT.

All Hail Waage

Technically VoTF are just returning home as they started out on RoS

Israel.7056:

They run around in massive numbers though. Often times I see them have something like 20-30 people all running around together.

20-30 is a large number these days? Numbers must be well down in WvW for that to be a zerg!

Strange, i seem to remember a few weeks back SBI and JQ adamant that a mesmer hid in Hills for 6 hours before porting people in against Blackgate.

Now the same people find it unlikely someone hid for only 2 in SM. Double standards much?

Seems to me the smear campaign is starting to build again…..

To all BG complaining about a 2v1. Stop complaining and just get on with it, 2v1 is part of the game design. If we cant hack it then as has been said we dont belong in T1!

If you come to a forum and boast about how good you are, you best be able to back it up, so far we arent backing it up very well. Similarly you cant come to a forum, accuse a server of cheating and not expect that to have a negative effect, i think everyone knew kitten well what they were doing last week.

Use this thread to talk about the good things in this match, the great battles and encounters. Leave the kitten talking out of it.

Caliber you cant say that the majority doesnt think it matters, thats just your gut feeling, but totally wrong.

People i have spoken to have all agreed that the hacks are bad for morale of the opposition. But what do you want us to do, if i saw it i would report it, and many here have said so themselves. But by admitting that people are not turning up to wvw on purpose is punishing the majority of us who dont hack, and werent there to see it.

When the hacks happened did you go to the blackgate community forums and speak to those in charge and try to organise its return. I havent seen the answer but if you didnt, why not since people said SBI did it last week?

Our tactics may be questionable in your eyes, we have hackers like everyone else, and we report them like everyone else. But it feels to me like people came into this match with an impression of blackgate that is causing all this kitten kitten.

So let me get it straight, someone from SBI went onto the Blackgate community forums (why?), took a thread and completely misinterpreted it. And now the server is evil hackers who use exploits at the drop of a hat, have no skill, basically the mad kings of GW2 wvw.

Just wanted to get it straight in my head :p

We will do our talking on the battlefield, using portals, stacking, and anything else we can think of to maximise the skillsets our classes have. All i have seen is people complaining that we are using tactics that mean you cant kill us like your used to doing.

What you dont get is that we spend a lot of time talking about the skills we have, how to use them together, different builds. If Anet makes changes then we will adapt to them and learn new tactics. You need to do the same.

^ No wonder the romans got such a big empire. Cheating kittens stacking like that

Wrong Nokaru, so wrong. The turtle was first done in order stop a smaller organised group getting steamrolled by a much bigger group through numbers alone.

40 v 100 the 40 cannot see the 100 due to culling. The 100 would just roll over the 40 with melee due to numbers. The turtle ensures that the 40 stay together, as the 100 break over it they are still alive and the turtle then directs their aoe to wipe out the 100.

100 totally random people is a zerg. 40 people on voice comms, working together is not a zerg.

I really dont get some people. If i see someone beating me, i learn and adapt. The turtle tactic works within the mechanics. Yes its utilizing the limitations on certain skills, but that counts for both healing and dps.

Those of you saying that this is a zerg need to change your understanding of a zerg. A group of 40 coordinated people on TS listening to orders and following them is not a zerg. 100 completely random people, not talking, not knowing what everyone else is doing, but following along like sheep -THATS a zerg.

The turtle was made to break the zergs. But it in itself can be countered, you just have to know how to do it. Same with Portal bombs. I think too many people up this end of the table have got used to just facerolling with 100+, relying on numbers to win.

Playing a game to win is about getting the best you can out of the mechanics laid out before you. I suggest you try it before complaining.

In reality what is happening is the servers with a better 24/7 coverage are moving up to the top of the ladders. So what is the problem here? That you lost? Baruch Bay lost to Kodash last week, point me in the direction of the large german speaking population outside of the EU timezone. As Eisenhart has said above, your taking coverage as a problem, rather than looking to it as the solution.

Our alliance moved over to a US server and were welcomed with open arms by their communities. There is little to no difference felt playing on the US servers over the EU ones. What needs to occur is a steady sharing of guilds/population from EU and US servers to ensure that there is better competition on both sides of the pond. There are now at least 4 US servers with 24/7 coverage and some great fights.

However that means people need to be open and accepting to the idea of transfers, but if the OP’s thoughts and feelings are representative of large proportions the EU server populations then we are boned. ANet have said its 24/7, the sooner people such as yourself accept this, the better it will be for all involved.

You probably got the reaction partly because it did come across as complaining you died.

The question you need to ask yourself when calling this an intentional exploit is this: Would the tactic be used even if there were no problems with culling? And the answer is yes. Even if we appeared straight away to you after using the portal, if you havent noticed the portal and reacted then most of you are already dead.

So the only solution is to notice the portal and react. We had this done to us today, they died and we survived because we reacted to it. It didnt matter that we couldnt see them, it just takes organisation.

You can record all you like, i will show you my recordings of it happening to us. Its part of the engine as it stands, so that FPS doesnt bomb with too many people in the same place.

There is no way to know if you have been seen by your opposition with the culling mechanic. However we do try to adapt to it, we have scouts out wide, and as the Lt says we push and retreat in order to thin out the opposition. Its a common tactic.

We do not use the mesmer portals to become invisible on purpose. We do it to attack you from an angle that your not expecting. If you dont understand that, i cant explain it more clearly.

Regards
Sgt Maharius