Guild Wars 2

I feel this skill is quite risky to use at range, especially when you are on a bridge or near the edge of a cliff. Ive had much greater success with this when using it as a combo finisher instead of trying to use it as a gap closer.

The virtues are really powerful, especially if you have traits to improve them. I think RF is hugely underestimated but also extremely situational.

The change did affect a lot of builds with high ret upkeep, mostly the ones that were full of strong dps traits already. Builds with a lot of points in Virtues still have 100% upkeep on ret which isnt such a problem because it comes at a high cost.

There already was a reply on the issue which was pretty much get used to it, i dont see why they should reply every single day on the issue when they have done it once already, nothing they can say, short of sorry we will revert it, will make you any happier. The forums are read regularly by all sorts of people within ArenaNet, just because they dont inform us every time they do read it doesnt mean nothing is happening and your thoughts arent being considered.

There’s another topic from someone asking why guardians think they suck when we are 1 of the strongest in pvp and pve. I think a lot of people need to relax and really consider how much of an impact this is really having instead of just huffing and puffing about a very minor nerf.

The 2 points being debated are “omg i cant cope with 3 buttons being changed” or the loss of dps. Guardian is way more of a support profession than most in game, if you want to go full GS dps, go and play a warrior. GS has some really cool abilities on a guardian but that doesnt mean that it should be viable as a top dps build just because people would like it to be. GS is still great for AoE, you get might from “auto attack” for every target you hit with the 3rd strike, the 5 ability is great for gathering up mobs, the symbol is very powerful and should be matched with a sizable CD. Everytime i have saw a GS dps guardian in an instance they do not have the trait which gives might when you crit, that means either im constantly meeting the minority of players or in general the profession is being played wrong/badly.

I dont specifically build towards that uptime and im not a PvP player. I usually use Mace/Focus with Staff but when im out doing map exploration i use a GS, on some events in Instances there is no need for a staff so i use my GS. Everything is situational and you need to be flexible which is why i carry a wide variety of weapons.

I suspect a lot of the players whining about the change used their GS most of the time, which isnt so much about game mechanics but their lack of ability to utilize the weapon swapping properly.

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Why not just reduce Retaliation damage for the Guardian?

Thats the worst idea ever. Changing base mechanics in such a way would break the game.

In my experience, players in MMOs see regular updates from an active developer and think they should listen to every demand from their customers. The game needs balance and that involves buffing and more importantly nerfs. There are very few players of a profession that will come forward and say “we require x nerf” or present an alternative that is practical and not just a stealth buff. Im sure pretty soon there will be a wave of quits because “ArenaNet dont listen to the community” when in reality, people have just got bored and want to move but are looking to blame someone for not catering to their selfish demands.

I know what the issue is, i didnt miss the point. There’s lots of people here that have said how close to impossible it is for them to readjust to 3 skills being swapped. If you want, you can go through and see the most of the childish whining is about that and how totally unplayable guardian is because GS was the “only viable weapon”.

Honestly im really glad of the change cause it will get lots of people to stop playing the profession that dont really belong on it. My build still has 100% upkeep on retaliation if i use a GS, most of the time i dont because i play it as a support role and dont really have a lot of dps. Perhaps the nerf was targeted at some specific builds that already have high dps and dont need retaliation being constantly up.

You cant have everything. A lot of people wants GW2 as an eSport which means lots of balancing and more features added to PvP but you cannot get that along with every single patch buffing without nerfing. Someone actually suggested buffing every other weapon so its inline with the GS instead of just nerfing GS. This whole discussion is a giant waste of time and id be much happier if ArenaNet focused on what really needs to be done in the game, which is what they are already doing and ignoring this. There has been 1 comment from them on the issue which basically was “get over it”, id advise you to do it.

Your all just really pathetic. 3 keys were swapped, its not that hard to readjust. Sure the CDs are different but “you now spend an unacceptable duration auto attacking” really? Dont make me laugh, if you dont want to auto attack you can turn it off.

Guardian in my eyes is a support class and a dam good one, too many people are focusing on keeping our dps competitive with the other professions which is just so stupid in so many ways. The GS is supposed to have ok dps but mostly your not going to have comparable dps to say a ranger or a warrior with a GS. Our role with every weapon is support.

I do agree that the “nerf” actually did very little to fix the issue of retaliation up-time, without modifying my GS playstyle at all i still have 100% upkeep on it.

Giving the hammer a gap closer is just stupid. Why put in this lovely weapon swapping if they will just make 1 weapon absolutely perfect?

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