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Yea so far I noticed that at least one dual skill on every weapon has a daze/stun. So you can use that to do some burst combos in pvp. Still curious if dual skills get the bonus of 2 trait lines (air/fire/earth/water training). It going to be very interesting seeing the various builds people can come up with. The amount of barriers you can get from build for it is comparable to the about of healing you get from auras as tempest. Weaver have an aggressive defense, 2 leaps and 2 dodges from sword. Still keeping up barriers in pvp will be tricky with 2sec to recast another barrier.
Neither sword nor scepter has a daze or a stun on their dual attacks. Sword has a floating dual attack, though. And then we still need to see the air/earth dual attack on scepter, which thematically could fit a daze/stun.
And you really can’t say anything about the amount of barrier we get until we know how well it scales off of healing power. The current amount of barrier (without any healing power) doesn’t seem to match the amount of healing a tempest can potentially do through auras (especially not without the dodge grandmaster), but some of the core traitlines (at least earth) should be getting barrier in today’s balance patch, so a lot is still up in the air!
You swap to Air twice because you can (doubling the FA procs) and this enables your other attunements to get off of cd.
The global attunement cooldown will unfortunately be retriggered when you swap into air for the second time. It’s true that, depending on casttimes and value of the dual attacks, it may be beneficial to stay in an attunement that is not air for 4 seconds, then swap for another attunement that is also not air and use that new dual attack, then swap right back to air after you get a FA proc. It’s all very hard to tell until we have the actual balancing of the skills though.
I am looking forward to d/d weever roaming and kill shot staff weever with or with out super speed FA truth be told.
Kill Shot Staff would be awesome. Unfortunately Pile Driver doesn’t even do as much dmg as a lvl 1 Killshot
. Obviously numbers can be tweaked and it’s hard to compare damage across classes, but don’t expect to one-shot anyone with it :P. The 2s daze that it provides along with the pierce is nice though (especially with potential LR procs!)
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With the vitality Weaver trait we can finally use different amulets that don’t rely on it. Viper, Berserker and all the others won’t be out of the question and this might be the first time we’ll have actual build diversity (amulet-wise) in a very long time.
Weaver still seems like it’ll be heavily reliant on Water traits though.
Yeah, the trait gives you 120 vitality if you wield a sword, and 5% of your power and condition dmg as vitality regardless of your weapon. AFAIR This amounts to around 1200 + 1500 ~ 2700 HP with the new griefing stats in PvP, so you’d end up just shy of 15k HP with no toughness. This is probably worth it for sword builds, but remember you’re giving up a trait slot for it
It’ll be good for those with condition damage and power stats but I really like the dual skills inflict weakness trait too. Weakness is just so good for defence against power and burst builds, very good for preventing dodge regent which if paired with decent chills can really make a huge difference in a protracted fight. As far as I can tell it has no ICD and when dual skills have about a 15-20s CD I can see high weakness uptime.
The trait is called Superior Elements and is definitely also worth exploring. Weakness is such a potent condition. It does have a 10s ICD though, so the very max you can achieve is 4s of weakness every 10s.
Well I’ve been playing a lot of fresh air, so I’ve “timed” it on core fresh air, yeah. Fresh air works fine even if you roll through attunements, and it’s pretty much the best way to deal sustained dmg with the spec. Obviously you need to be mindful of what attunements you roll through and when, but with high superspeed uptime and blinds on demand you’re more often than not able to kite out people before you need the attunement you just swapped out of.
With the vitality Weaver trait we can finally use different amulets that don’t rely on it. Viper, Berserker and all the others won’t be out of the question and this might be the first time we’ll have actual build diversity (amulet-wise) in a very long time.
Weaver still seems like it’ll be heavily reliant on Water traits though.
Yeah, the trait gives you 120 vitality if you wield a sword, and 5% of your power and condition dmg as vitality regardless of your weapon. AFAIR This amounts to around 1200 + 1500 ~ 2700 HP with the new griefing stats in PvP, so you’d end up just shy of 15k HP with no toughness. This is probably worth it for sword builds, but remember you’re giving up a trait slot for it
EDIT: Why would you think Weaver relies on water traits though? With high superspeed uptime, conditions may not be that much of a problem! It’s true that Healing Ripple looks really strong for Weaver as it is right now, but I’d be very surprised to see it not get an ICD in the upcoming balance patch.
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FA is going to be a problme more so then 1v1 with thf. Its perma super speed as things stand. You may be close to perma super speed even with out FA but for a class like ele having super speed makes you unbelievable hard to pin down for all of its weapons i like to see how they make it work out. But who knows having super speed may let ele go true mages dmg glass and less of a bruser build making it where thf must be there to kill them in one burst.Core fresh air ele already has next to permanent superspeed upkeep assuming that you are free to keep attacking (and critting) a target. Weaver won’t change that (outside of the elite where you get to keep perma superspeed should you want to). So you can already go see how it works out :o).
Well the thing is with core and tempest ele’s your still eating though your other atuments and you need them to swap to get get out of air. Weever will always have another atument to swap to that and air atument can be doubled swapped. I think making one with air have a longer duration but have an icd would go a long way to making sure its not making freash air to able to be both the best def effect and offensive effect for ele.
It’s true that the wait-time to get back into the same attunement that you just swapped out of is more than double the duration for core fresh air ele compared to weaver, but core ele with arcana will still be able to roll through a lot more attunement swaps than weaver (outside of Weave Self) simply because swapping attunement doesn’t put all your other attunements on a 4s cd. Now, with double-dipping into air with fresh air it’s not easy to tell who can actually swap more in and out of air, but remember when you fully attune to air you still trigger a new 4s cd on all other attunements. Anyways, it’s a valid point that you trade attunement cooldowns for air procs and superspeed on core ele, but remember that Weaver has drawbacks too when doing the fresh air dance, as each time you attune to air you will be locked out of other attunements for 4s, whereas with core ele you can always change to available attunements within the 1.5s global attunement cd. However, dual attacks and being able to weave in 4/5-skills of other attunement into air attunement (at least before double-dipping) should alleviate this problem to some extent.
About the “thief problem”
First, FA ele isn’t all that bad against thief in 1v1 situations NOW, you have enough burst to finish them, and if you don’t make many mistakes can win the fight. The only reason you lose that fight is because they can disengage and bleed you of CD’s. Weaver gives you both hard mitigation (barrier, evades in twist of fate), more soft mitigation (more prot, more weakness if traited), and more frequent, high damage pressure.
One of the major downsides of weaver from a counter-burst perspective is that it will be VERY hard to quick fire-swap + phoenix someone to 1-shot an overzealous thief. It might be able to be played around, smart rotating of your on-demand defenses and having access to burst.
I think FA ele will be stronger relative to thief than it is now, but it still most likely won’t have a place.
MORE LIKELY, however, if we look at history, is that ele competes for a damage-oriented bruiser-type role, which is less reliant on instant-access to specific CD’s like obsidian flesh but instead has a long rotation of defenses. I can see two great trait combos here:
- Air, arcana, weaver with either d/x or sw/x
- Water, arcana, weaver with sw/xThanks to some synergies in air and weaver, this is actually both offensively and defensively a great combo (counter condis with tons of superspeed stripping condis every 1/2s, great for kiting when needed, great pressure from all those air lighting strikes). Arcana gives you protection, and all the other things it always has, plus allows you to swap more often. With D/X, you now have a water field from the fire/water dual skill (also an evade), and a blast in either air/water or water/water.
More likely, sword/x is going to be the combo to use, as new-weapon skills are basically always more powerful than base-game weapons, and most viable pvp specs use their new weapon. Sword has a long (4s) water combo field on water 2, that you can blast with basically any element, and multi-blast if you attunement dance properly. The dual skills have a lot of ways to get barrier and other mitigation, as well as good ways to heal. If you have the water/arcana combo then you always have great options to cleanse, and weaver gives some really good bruiser-type traits. This trait combo will most likely feel like the old d/d ele on steroids with souped-up dodge rolls carrying you to victory behind cleanses, blasts, and barrier.
It’s true that FA isn’t all that bad in a 1v1 vs a thief, but neither specs should spend much time 1v1’ing in conquest anyway. Where FA struggles is against good thieves and revenants that more often than not are capable of shutting you down in teamfights. Still, I’m very intrigued to see what FA weaver brings to the table, as the additional dual attacks and barrier may cater to a more sustained-dmg playstyle. However, we don’t know yet if Weavers will have more protection uptime, as there’s a good chance Elemental Attunement (and Healing Ripple for that matter) will see some kind of ICD in the upcoming balance patch (I’d be very surprised if that is not the case), but hopefully a fair one just to make sure that you can’t abuse it (like getting 2 years of protection uptime for everyone around you by continuously attuning to earth while Weaving Self). The rest of your post I agree with, although there is obviously still a ton of testing and theorycrafting to be done
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EDIT: Half of the current meta-builds don’t use their respective new weapons, so it’s probably a little early to call sword/x the go-to weapon set.
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I really hope there’s a way to quickly and easily access skills 1-2 and 4-5 of any attunement while being attuned to another one. For example, I want to be able to get earth 4-5 with water 1-2 and then, let’s say, reverse that with ease and of course with a CD. I don’t want to have to cycle through my attunements in a specific way to achieve this result. That would add too much restriction to the spec’s playstyle.
You just press earth and it will flip them.
So you were in earth and went to water giving you 1+2 in water and 4+5 in earth, pressing earth will flip it making 1+2 earth and putting water onto 4+5. If you want to flip it again go to water and it will return you to water 1+2 and earth 4+5.
Also from what I saw the elite reduces the recharge on attunement swap while giving you huge bonuses in them. Wiki (yes it’s updated with what little we know) says it makes the attunement recharge 2s, that’s very short.
That’s true! And the skill even starts cooling down the moment you enter the stance. I’m pretty sure it’ll be good idea to stay in the stance for as long as possible (i.e. not getting a perfect weave until the very end of the 20s duration), just to retain the 2s attunement cd between three attunements. This should also let you keep three of the four buffs for almost 20s, and then the perfect weave after I assume will give you almost 10second of all four buffs (you’ll then need to press Tailored Victory for the float attack just before the effect expires). If this is how it actually works, you’ll be buffed up very good for almost 30s, and only one minute later you can start to Weave Self again.
On another note, as an avid fresh air player, I must admit it kind of annoyed me a little how WP proclaimed fresh air to be super OP in the expansion because of it “bypassing the ICD” and giving tons of lightning strikes. Since every time you swap attunement as a weaver, even if you swap to air, it will incur a 4s cooldown on all attunements. So what could have been a “bonus” of double-auttuning into air for 2x lightning strikes actually realistically adds around a second of additional time spent in air attunement before you can attune to other elements (but obviously also gives access to air 3 blind). Looking at the footage I’m pretty certain that core fresh air ele produces just as many (if not more) lightning strikes than what was deemed “OP” in the footage. Now, I’m not saying I know if weaver fresh air will turn out to be strong or not, but it certainly won’t be OP due to it bypassing any ICDs or producing a lot of lightning strikes. Unravel Hexes sound super great for fresh air though, and the new dual attacks alone are going to shake up a lot of things, not to mention stances! So much theorycrafting to be done in the coming months
Yeah, Fiery Rush is indeed bugged / only got a tooltip update in regards to the single target damage buff. The ability does less than half the damage it displays on the tooltip. I was actually looking forward to trying out the new leap. Hopefully they will fix it very soon, because I am extremely disappointed in the elemental elite activation skill and actually think FGS might be viable for more than mobility if they manage to get this fix in.