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We need the aviators if they do that. >.>
I wonder how big the population of the group that absolutely hates the idea of all cultural armor being broadly obtainable is.
I also wonder if that includes the ANet devs, still.
I’m far from a person of means. You aren’t illustrating anything about elitism except that you are unclear on the concept. There is nothing elitist about demonstrating that it is just as possible to buy T3 armor in the gem store and place it on a low level character as it is to do the same thing with gem store armor. Or that there are other things in the game even more valuable that it is equally possible to do so with. Especially since it is in direct response to your argument on such matters.
The elitism comes in thinking you are better than the other person, which is entirely the province of the T3 people who “earned” their armor by playing a game are disparaging those that spend money on gems they bought with money doing work that for many is likely much more unpleasant. So really, it is idle who feel they are superior to those that work.
Then what about the people who didn’t have the option because it didn’t exist when they decided to go for it? Although, if you have all of the things you elaborated on before, you are certainly have more means than I do. So you can more easily casually acquire those things than I can.
I can buy a character slot, gem-to-gold a T3 armor and stick it on a level 2 character in under 10 minutes. Right now. You did yours the hard way. So are you demanding that ArenaNet cease all gem-to-gold sales and take away all the transmutation stones?
The scythe my 14th level necromancer is carrying currently costs over five times what you paid for the set of armor you waited until level 80 to buy. If someone wanted to, they could transmute and split a legendary repeatedly as they level a character. Level means nothing in regard to the value of items on a character.
What your armor cost you, how long it took you and how you got the gold or gems is irrelevant to what my armor cost me, how long it took me or how I got the gold or gems.
It is especially irrelevant to why I should have rolled a human to wear a set of T3 armor if I wanted to wear an armor created based upon that model a year later that wasn’t limited to humans. The fact that you didn’t like that ArenaNet made the Flamekissed armor the way they did doesn’t mean I did something wrong by buying it and having bought it, wanting to keep it or be given a skin in exchange that I consider to be of equal quality, utility and desirability.
Nah, I’m just illustrating that the elitism (eg you can get yours instantly therefore it’s ok even if other people didn’t have the option) goes both ways. In this thread a lot of people are complaining about the elitism of exclusionists…this is a show of the elitism of people with means vs those who don’t really have the same means.
Yes. Getting to 80 irrelevant. T3 is a level 80 rare armor that can be transmuted onto a level 0 or 1 item and worn from the start of the game. My 14th level necromancer is wearing T3 light boots and has been for a while. One of my 80th level rangers has been wearing a T3 medium coat since 2nd level.
No, it’s not, if that’s your first character and you have no transmutation stones or other stuff built up (that would have been me back then). By comparison it’d be waaaay easier to just get the 10 buck skin off of the gem store and use that. Plus you forgo having to buy the stones that first time, since you don’t always get them for dailies.
I have five human characters rolled. One of them is wearing T3 light boots and one is wearing a T3 medium armor chest, I’ve never bought more than that, not because I couldn’t afford it, but because I don’t want it.
I didn’t buy the Flamekissed skin because it is Human T3. I bought it because of the flaming effect and because it displays, highlights and emphasizes the hair, skin, eyes and glow of my sylvari. If I had a character the medium and heavy flaming armors suited that well, I would buy them despite what cost or level item their base item is.
The value of the skin to me has nothing to do with it being T3 or Human. There is no special prestige to 6 armor skins that cost a total of 119 gold (averaging less than 20 gold each) in a game where weapon and back skins sell for hundreds of gold and legendary weapons sell for thousands.
Cause getting to 80 is a trivial achievement that can be accomplished in a short period of time without cutting out other things you’d rather be doing (or have to be doing). So guiding your choice of character by what you want in the eventual endgame really doesn’t matter and is totally not a factor, right?
Way too many coats. When my thief eventually gets to be 80 those non-coat options are going to be disappointingly small.
Well, to be perfectly honest due to this event, and having my stuff ripped from me, T3 already lost its prestige. Anyone I see using it would probably just put a bad taste in my mouth and I’d correlate that armor set with being greedy/snobby. :/ So, just saying, congrats preserving the prestige of it by throwing a tantrum and short-windowing other players fun, that set is now the mark of greed. (FYI I play human, it was never that big of a deal.)
I’ve been suspecting that is a thing for awhile now. I’m wearing mine all the time lately…but then I’ve just been really happy that it became useful in the last week or so since I finally got enough charged quartz to make it worth something instead of being a Rare deathtrap. Since in the past few months, due to factors external to this game, there have been periods of well over a week that I wouldn’t even be able to touch GW2.
customer support got back to me, they will not be offering a way to get back an old T3 skin, if you want it back after the change, you will have to rebuy the skin. the only thing that will be offered is the refund of 800 gems and an automatic reskin when the new one is put in.
Thank you crusaders and anet, you just screwed people out of even more gold.
Oh, that is just unfortunate… The only time I tried to support Anet and they respond with this. LOL I will never have your back again Anet.
That’s so kitten they should just rescind the Flamekiss revocation.
I get what ur saying… so hard to open a can of worms and then put the top back on :-)
I guess i just feel a little less offended at it than most.. I already had T3, sure.. I felt a little Argh really t3 on gemstore when i first seen it after what i went through to get mine and trans it over.. but i guess i got over it quicker than most and said.. Hey thats pretty i want that..I always had a beef with the human T3 cause you could dye the Pants Jewels Different from the Main portion of the legs so i was more than happy to apply that skin and spend my gems on it .
I get the reasons for the outcrying and such but cant understand how and why people act like someone just ran there favorite dog when they see people get things nice.
I Mean really if this community is so concerned about looking prestigious and unique… how come everybody is running around with the same legendary Greatsword..
I see so many i myself am sick of em and dont even want one just so i can look different.Just feels like they are listening to a bunch of people that all have the same weps and armor screaming about being unique when they all look the same anyways. Its like cutting your nose off to spite your face..
Just dont make no sense at all!
I don’t want a Eternity either. I wouldn’t mind norn heavy T3 though, for a not-norn. It’s one of a few I’d like that I don’t want to make a character specifically to get. But to be honest this whole thing doesn’t look like a slow release of the cultural floodgate, it looks like a moneygrab that caught the wrong type of attention. ANet should turn it into a release of cultural armor, but I doubt they will. If they say they’re gonna do that, then fine. Put Flamekiss back on the market. We can all have flaming panties. I was actually thinking of getting one despite feeling ripped off by ANet for some future zerker set, but that ain’t happening now. I can only imagine the horror of losing the Firenzia-robs-you-of-120-gold skin on top of that, but hopefully they’ll address that.
Well thank god a few people said they were cool with the devaluing of their gear. I guess I’ll completely change my valid opinion for absolutely no reason.
A couple people say they don’t care about the cost: “No one cares about cost at all!”
A couple people say they do care about the cost: “Vocal minority!”I swear, I’m about 1 more hypocrisy bloated post from just actively taunting people over their loss.
People are just raging out that their new awesome look being direct salt to the wound of an old awesome look whose buy-in had been an issue for a long time, is having consequences. ANet may want to look for a more elegant solution.
Lemme tell you, if I could have just paid 10 bucks for the skin on the get-go and bypassed Firenzia’s highway robbery without having to get transmutation crystals off the gem store to boot, I would have been very pleased. I certainly paid for Profane skins. Oh no, one less cheap restaurant lunch I can have!
Im not saying that im anymore correct than anyone, or feel that i am. Just stating the facts..
Facts are some of us used this on expensive armor WE spent time and money on, But according to your logic our time and money shouldnt matter, Only the Code of Honorable Elitist Attitudes are right in all this.. when a good majority are people that are gonna get shafted if a group gets done right. Value is really only in the eye of the beholder. If i can make 50 Gold faster than you … i dont value gold as much as you so therefore, I should be shafted? your argument still dosnt make all that much sense…………….. a little but not much.
Once again, not elitist. My issues with this are a matter of access, which wasn’t equal (and the price diff). It’s not about e-thug points, it’s about fairness. ANet made it unfair to people who wanted that skin and got it, though some of them can write it off a lot more easily than others. ANet’s solution now isn’t very fair either, but short of them giving everyone open access to cultural armor now, this is not going to be resolved neatly in any way, and this way honors their longstanding previous attitude (“grind for it nugget”) the best.
It still looks like a hasty takeback on something they may have thought we’d let slip entirely though!
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Oh great now we have people saying because Im not mad i cant do math. About it being a T3 human <—-T3 owner myself …. …..yet i wasnt upset, those of us that dont care about the MMORPG elite-E-Thugness dont really care about cost/Rareness. I spent the gold on the T3…
I spent the gold on the transtones to convert it to Exotic….Yet i was not mad about the release of the flamekiss T3 Clone… I bought it and upgraded my T3 Human look as soon as it was released.
It’s your money/time – if you don’t feel cheated about the price shift that’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t make your stance on it any more correct. Some of us do feel cheated about that, and people attacking those who feel ripped off look just as selfish being dismissive of that as they accuse us of being.
Also I don’t know about other people, but when I say ‘exclusive’ what I mean isn’t ‘look how much cooler I am than you’, it’s ‘do you have to go through the trouble of making another character to use this’. I originally wanted to make a norn character first off, but once I saw HT3 I had to have it, so it was human for me. Basically my character choice and gameplay since I got the game was guided by eventually getting my pulp fantasy ish armor…which then I find is devalued. I totally have a right to be angry because of that. I will note though, that it doesn’t mean I want to screw over the other players. It’s pretty unfortunate that the current solution is the one ANet is going with, but at the same time they have their integrity to maintain with their own policy.
I honestly do sympathize with the people who like the look and also feel cheated, not to mention the ones who are going to be potentially screwed out of other nice gear they reskinned over…but it’s really hard to keep ahold of that sympathy with the bratty spoiled-princess doesn’t-matter-what-the-others-lose-I-want-mine show I’m seeing in this thread and others. Those people are just mirroring the very attitude they claim to despise. Lol hypocrisy?
Honestly, I liked the idea of the Flamekissed armor, because I want the cultural armor to be available to all races. I definitely want to get some Asuran T3 armor onto my other characters.
I think the solution you came up with is a fair one, no question there, but I would prefer one that would allow you to keep expanding the cultural armors to other races. The solution is not to stop doing this, but rather to make it so that the T3 armor doesn’t cost an arm, a leg, the other arm, the other leg, and whatever other limbs you might have available. That’s why people are annoyed, because something that used to be crazy expensive is now available as a cash shop purchase. Make them all cheap and it’s a non-issue.
This. Honestly it would’ve grated a lot less on me if the constant calls of ‘why is this rare-stat armor so expensive’ didn’t just get met with ‘suck it up nugget’, right to the day where Flamekissed was released. Cause, you not only had to get HT3, but you then had to get the level 80 crystals (which you played the RNG game for with low odds, or bought on the gem store) to put it on armor that turned it into something other than suicide fashion. Suddenly, the whole issue of T3 being unreasonable to get is swept under the rug, and all the people who feel ripped off are evil loose cannons who won’t let it go.
It just being HT3 when other races had neat armors that remained behind the iron curtain of ‘make another char just to equip them sucker’ just salted the wound.
ANet should just reintroduce the skin later, and start figuring out how to make cultural armors work between different races in general now, because this whole issue just masks another one that’s frustrated people for awhile. If we’re going to be force fed the Pact then maybe we ought to see more cultural interchange.
Make all cultural armors buyable by all races (and adjust the meshes appropriately), make variations of them with flames/ice/lightning/whatever coming off of it available on the gem store, rake in the money. The end.
Winged. I liked it, so I’d buy a flaming Winged for a zerk set~
I own the standard Human T3 as well. I also own T3 for Sylvari and Asura. I put work into the game and earned the gold for my sets, transmuted them onto exotics accordingly, and still did not get upset when I saw the T3 all fiery on the gemstore. I would not be upset if another other cultural armor appeared there either. I don’t care about exclusivity and have always hated that I can’t get the cool Charr headdress with the sweet Norn bustle. When I pay money for something I expect the product I paid for.
If we’re going to talk food here … this is like placing an order for a shiny juicy burger and having it put in front of me to look at, and then having it switched out for mystery meat and not getting a refund of the money I worked my RL job for. I have a set amount of money I allow myself to spend on videogames, and live on a budgeted income. Acquiring gold in-game isn’t that difficult with the variety of farms available, and playing the market with skins. Buying gems is a special once-in-a-while deal for me, and now they’re losing my willingness to put money in because I am getting burned for being a paying customer in this scenario.
Same here. My RL money is not just for throwing away, but neither is my time. The original decision to make Flamekissed as it was without a broader treatment for all the exclusive stuff you have to go through grinds to get showed a willingness on the part of devs to live with double standards, which is the point where I won’t even entertain the idea of trying for other in-game neat grind items (Legendaries, etc) cause who knows they may be on the gem store someday. If the principle of the thing that gets me in this scenario doesn’t irk you, then I guess that is that. We won’t see at eye level.
Yep. The people who whined the loudest about their prestigious armor (eh…) are getting what they want, meanwhile the paying customers who didn’t do anything wrong are now getting screwed. I’m hoping the new armor will look nice, but I have a hard time keeping my hopes up. They should just unlock the current cultural sets so everyone can have fun (give me that one ritualist-looking Charr headdress for my human necro, please) and then make new exclusive ones for each of the races. Fanciness and bragging rights restored!
I’m really hoping the next skin doesn’t suck, because I will fight to get my money back otherwise. They can’t just bait and switch paying customers to make bystanders happy.
It looked so good on my female Asuran ele too. :\ Hardly anything looks nice on them.
I am a paying customer who has spent a good deal of money on the gem store items…I just also happened to get the normal T3. But 10 dollars is about a cheap meal’s worth, and the time I put into getting an inferior armor set (awful awful non-exotic stats) and then putting it on celestial gear is worth a lot more than 10 bucks. If ANet wasn’t going to refund half of the 120 gold I spent on the normal T3 – not to mention make other cultural armors obtainable so everyone can mix and match the look they want for a high end burger and fries price – then this is the right move to keep getting my money, as a show of good faith to people who did put in the time to get it and to show they aren’t promoting a double standard. I do hope you can get your original skins and whatever else back though.
ANet should just lift the restrictions on the existing cultural armors and then remake these three into something more worthwhile. Everybody wins.
I wouldn’t complain if they did /that/ (in fact I’d like it). But if I have to deal with another new character entirely to get a look I would otherwise want while the one I put time into getting is freely and easily available, it’s not ok. No double standards.
Actually bait and switch is a good term for it, you buy something in good faith based on what you see and then it gets changed after you paid the purchased price.
That’s exactly what I thought when I logged on and saw Flamekissed was available for roughly half the price (if you convert gold to gems) that I had paid for my T3.
Not so, seeing as what you purchased is not getting changed.
What you are stating is like something going on sale that you had purchased for a higher price.
Yep, and the price for the T3 wasn’t changing and I wasn’t getting reimbursed for it either. I won’t even go into the exclusivity loss when some other racial cultural armors I might like stayed exclusive. But now the people who don’t like the new look will be reimbursed, which is a lot nicer for all involved.
Actually bait and switch is a good term for it, you buy something in good faith based on what you see and then it gets changed after you paid the purchased price.
That’s exactly what I thought when I logged on and saw Flamekissed was available for roughly half the price (if you convert gold to gems) that I had paid for my T3.
So did I, I’m ACTUALLY enraged for the first time while playing this game.
Same here. And it takes a lot for me to get this angry with the dev company. I endure the ‘release beta’ of Mechwarrior Online without getting visibly angry at PGI.
ANet, you owe me half the money I paid for my T3 cultural. Also, in light of this I really don’t think I want a Legendary. Can’t trust that it won’t be usurped by a cheap gem store item.
Also, GOOD LORD.
I’m trying so hard not to generalize too much here, because I honestly mean no offense, but the sheer amount of cheese perma-stealth thieves I have seen come out of CD’s spawn into DB BL is staggering.I think I fought… a warrior, a ranger, a mesmer, and fifteen different thieves while I was working on getting Vale upgraded.
Oh,
And one really good engineer that killed me, good show.
Yeah, I’ve noticed CD thieves in rear areas, a lot more so than I saw with TC or KN the last week, in just the hour or so I was able to get on wvwvw last night. Friday night euphoria maybe?