Guild Wars 2

Parthis.2091:

Lack of PvP players. Smaller guilds and PvE focused players are bored of running into numerous mindless SFR zergs, and a few guilds have transferred.

Free transfers gut servers. You can see by how much the WvW landscape has changed; it’s an ever changing migration of players. Take Blacktide as an example; Shiverpeaks gutted so that BT can be top dawgs. GG Anet.

In fact, good luck in T1 Seafarer’s, you’re perfectly built for the Zerg Vs Zerg monotony of T1.

Even Blacktide hardly ever has a Q. Too many people have stopped WvWing. PVE players keep servers showing as Full or high despite abysmal turnout in all borderlands.
the new WvW patch can’t come soon enough, if PVP turnout continues to drop we should probably look at mass moving all the WvW players to 3 servers at the bottom of the list and try to balance out a competitive match. going to the bottom is the only way to have enough room due to the high PVE player numbers on the top servers.

despite your decision not to join an EU server, they are a great choice for NA players.
and you might consider looking at tier 1 servers despite servers being listed as full WvW turnout is waning.
I really hope the feb WvW patch will bring players back.
If this trend continues we are going to have to start consolidating the WvW player base onto less servers.

ok now for the shameless server pitch Blacktide could use more WvW players we have had no Queue’s on most borderlands and EB more often than we have had them for the past two weeks.

OK to set the record straight RUIN is not going anywhere. Most of us have been running non stop for the last 3 weeks putting in 12-18 hour days. The majority decided to take the weekend off and relax.
There was no discussion about moving servers, RUIN is staying on Desolation.

really looking forward to the fight against BT. They never give up and keep fighting.

dunno those FR servers are up awfully early this morning DS was down to about 40 people online and saw some huge VZ forces at 6am paris time. looks like next week BT and VZ will be smashing into each other in the morning.

whether VZ and Arbor are actively win trading is impossible to prove and not enough empirical or statistical evidence to show trending.

However it is currently possible within the rules and dynamic of WvW for 2 servers (or a portion thereof) to collude in this fashion and some rule set changes should be made to make it far more difficult.

having more than 3 people defending the JP is a complete waste of manpower better used on the battlefield. more than that and your helping the enemy more by tying up useful slots in the BG.
I personally love it when an enemy team camps it with lots of people it frustrates the PVE players on my server trying to do the JP and gets them out of the BG freeing slots for PVPers

I’ve stayed up till 8am EST every day this week, the players on Deso have really come together and fight hard! we managed to hold a PPT gain through our dead zone despite being vastly outnumbered. grats to everyone for the hardwork and dedication to making Deso #1.

—Modeus—
—RUIN--

Thorvald.5432:

@Offski
“The balance issue must be frustrating for both VS and AS, but comeon VS you had no opposition at night for weeks.”

You obviously never followed T1 match did you ?
Elona matched our night presence then AS did with help from a 30~ member canadian guild (which caused drama on french forums)

Either way, we will all see each other next week and you will see the real strength of both VS and AS as there won’t be any school holiday and the night resistance is likely to lower by a lot.

Until ANet says otherwise, EU brackets is supposed to be for EU players. Non-EU players have nothing to do here.

as long as NA/oceanic/where-ever are able to transfer to an EU server that is ANET stating that it is OK! otherwise they would block it.

and really do you have any idea how many EU people play on US servers? Don’t hear them complaining. Should every German player be forced to play on a DE server? French an FR? Play where ever you want and live with the consequences of your choices.
your server will balance out in whatever tier it has balanced competition, the tiers are designed for that.

If your not in WvW to do just that stay out why even bother doing a JP for siege if your not going to use it?
understand that people are trying to fight and if there is a Q its a serious detriment to your server to be in the battleground doing PVE.

Syntax.9602:

“Tier 2-3 will be just as much fun and will have great competition in EU prime which you can enjoy just as well and you can ignore tier 1 as if it didnt exist.”

Thats just completly wrong. We fought against Servers below, and we will drop to Tier4 because we don’t have a nightcrew, or morningcrew, or highnooncrew… or whatever.

We where matched in T4, and since we don’t really play bad (well we managed to get 270 Points yesterday without even getting our borderlands full), we totally dominate the T4-Server in our primetime. We managed to get 400+ constantly in the last week, which isn’t fun, since this servers can’t match our organization and dedication. But well, they get to T4, because they have more players at night as other servers, and they got most of their points against us during the night (well at least on of the servers).

So T4 isn’t fun because we almost own everything for the whole week (we had keeps that we haven’t even lost a single time). And in T3 we might again fight against Oversea-Crews although SFR does not have as much americans as desolation.

The only thing we could do is allying with other german servers if we are in the same bracket, since our community is quite friendly and the german servers are in good standing with each other. But this would mean, that during our primetime, we would combine efforts to trap the non-german servers at their spawn an share the map.

Seems like valid tactics 2nd and 3rd server should beat up on the leader.

There are some serious balance issues and it is up to us the players to solve them within the constraints provided by Anet.

Players tend to migrate to winning servers to the point that WvW queues become excessive and then they tend to migrate out. right now the moves are large and its resulting in massive power swings that will take weeks for the rankings to calm down

We need an external damper to mitigate this, the best ideas so far are not allowing participation in the current match up after transfer and/or not allowing people to transfer to servers currently being fought, and increasing the move lockout from 24 hours to at least a week or a month.

I think overall that server populations in regards to WvW are stabilizing and when we look back in a few months it will be apparent. people who are WvW focused will migrated to the top tiers while the casuals probably wont pay attention to it at all or coat tail for the buffs.

Do you think if all the WvW focused players concentrated onto one of the FR/DE/ES servers that they could compete in Tier 1?

I don’t like the concept of language specific servers as it relates to WvW as yes its a detriment for the German servers to compete in coverage.
However stating that why are there official language servers in the first place? legal requirement? Courtesy to players? I’ve no idea.
There are extremely large player bases outside of the EU that speak languages other than english, and you state that they should all play on english servers in the US as opposed to say english servers in the EU? the language barriers are still there however English speakers in the EU have a much higher chance of speaking multiple languages.

I think it would have been better to have un-official language servers where players without strong english could congregate into a community without giving the handicap of not having access to the larger english speaking player base.

Look at it this way the oceanic/asian players are to US servers what north american players are to EU servers. It seems as though the top 3 servers in both brackets are going to be large multinational multilingual servers and the sooner you untwist your panties on this the sooner we can get back to the war.

War is unfair period. No the french and German servers will not last in tier 1 over the long term due to poor coverage period the end. If you are the type of player to strive to be the best then i strongly suggest moving to an english server where you can succeed.
Tier 2-3 will be just as much fun and will have great competition in EU prime which you can enjoy just as well and you can ignore tier 1 as if it didnt exist.

The top tier in the US is dominated by servers that have concentrated the Oceanic/Asian player base onto a few servers granting them 24/7 coverage.

You don’t hear the US servers complain that the Oceanic/Asian players should not be allowed on US servers. Language is not an excuse or a reason for failure. You can manage to communicate despite language barriers if you put in the effort.
Perhaps we should ask all the Oceanic/Asian players to move to the EU servers?

Separating the servers in WvW by location is a horrible idea, region locking even worse. Region locking is a marketing strategy designed to maximize profit and has nothing to do with consumers best interests and the sooner it goes away the better.

The Tiers are intended to balance servers so that you can have a fun competitive WvW experience, short term it is suffering but as seen in the US with the breakup of Henge it seems to be working. the US bracket has 3 servers that appear to be able to contend for first place. EU bracket seems a week or two behind, but more upheaval is on the way. its going to be some unbalanced games until things get sorted. Use the time to practice and improve, or go pve, but there is no benefit to whining about it.

Servers that are going for tier one will be constantly striving to improve, the first and easiest method is to ensure full BG’s 24/7. After this you will see the Zerg start to go away. Why do people Zerg now? because it works.
As servers balance out more advanced strategy of diversion,scouting, small unit tactics, etc will become more prevalent.

If as a server community you do not wish to be in tier 1 as many of you have stated by your opposition to having players from other nations on the same server, wait a week or two as your server plummets to a tier with equal competition and coverage. Enjoy the fights for what they are and ignore what rank your server is in. After all only one server can be number 1 at a time.

Wars are often won or lost in the hearts and minds of the soldiers, and it seems FS has lost the will to fight desolation.

I hope the ride down the tiers is not too painful and try to keep in mind this is a game, play to win but don’t sacrifice enjoyment.

—Modeus—

Been having a blast playing on Desolation as I primarily play at odd hours there has always been great competition.

I think you left off the key part at the end of the sentence. Join Ruin on our TS server.
While we are recruiting feel free to ask for an invite! We work hard to support our fellow guilds and players. It is difficult to monitor team and map chat in the middle of a battle and easy to miss a specific message. If your have critical intel be clear concise and REPEAT IT we are not ignoring you however, we may have our hands full and not able to shift forces to assist.

ET and SBI both managed to keep HOD in third place until Monday when their coverage advantage became overwhelming.

the ping from NA to the European servers is fine and for the most part the game has performed better since moving.
The competition has been astounding, unlike most NA servers you do not see player drop off as soon as the score becomes lopsided they fight tooth and nail to recover and its been an absolute blast to play there.

there has always been stiff competition until at least midnight EST and by 2am EST the early morning Russian players are logging in and fighting hard.

On ET you would see Ruin hold down EB and every other borderland would be crushed by the opposition in Tier 1, the alliance responsible for the other borderlands would be PVEing and raiding the trade post by Saturday, one guild no matter how big or dedicated to WvW cannot carry a whole server indefinitely and the players would burn out trying. ET had some great Tier 1 guilds and a strong WvW focus but lacked coverage to compete in Tier 1 and was crushing Tier 2 both led to people not Queuing after the weekend.

After Ruin left ET went into a free fall, TL the leaders of AA slunk away to IOJ before even announcing to their alliance they were leaving. The Oceanic/Asian guilds in AA moved to blackgate with about 1/3 of TA to stack a third NA server with major coverage. JQ/IOJ/BG should be some interesting fights for first.
ET and HOD are in a death spiral to tier 3 or 4 perhaps lower.

I see quite a lot of QQ about having NA players move to the EU bracket. but at tier 1 you need 24/7 coverage, the issue of language is a non starter. If the NA servers can co-ordinate despite dealing with many Asian languages and countries where speaking a second or third language is much rarer than Europe I say see it as a challenge to be overcome not whinged about.
International French players seem to be on the EU FR servers so why not international English?