Guild Wars 2

The PvP Stalwart/Commando helm has been broken since launch in both PvP and PvE.

If one looks in the PvP locker, one finds that the PvP Commando set has the helm model that should belong to the PvP Stalwart set (the correct helm model for Commando doesn’t seem to be obtainable in PvP, but is found as a personal storyline reward at level 73 in PvE).

Similarly, the PvP Stalwart set has the correct helm model, but it is incorrectly labeled “Commando helm”.

Potentially related: The PvE counterpart to the PvP Stalwart helm seems to be completely unattainable anywhere in PvE. It was a normal drop during beta before disappearing entirely from PvE at launch. Numerous forum threads seem to suggest that there are many people still waiting for it to be attainable in PvE again.

@Terra: Yeah – I amended it after checking the current prices. I figured it was better to give a closer estimate than to ballpark it. Realistically though, 700 and 1000 are about equally unimaginable to me, and that’s saying rather a lot because, while I don’t play nonstop, I do play a fair bit every day.

The issue I think is that, like legendaries, it isn’t hard to get, it’s just long to get because one of the materials is ridiculously scarce. It isn’t hard to farm 250 charged cores, it just takes about twelve solid days of playtime killing one or two particular groups of fairly boring enemies or a much longer amount of time running a fairly unrewarding dungeon. Either way – it’s pure grind and more grind than the other, similar items that take different cores.

The charged lodestones are considerably worse off in this regard than any of the others.

As for being between a normal exotic and a legendary, sure, that’s clearly the intent. But it’s also clear from every other similar weapon that doesn’t involve charged lodestones specifically that it isn’t necessarily intended to be this hard. And that makes sense – the ideal difficulty curve for goals like this is exponential, which is exactly how the other weapon skins are designed.

Edit: I’m also not sure how I feel about the idea that these should only be reasonably attainable through buying gold or investing in the TP. That doesn’t seem like a solution, that seems like a problem.

Am I missing something, or does this non-legendary currently cost around 700 gold to make?

I’ve been trying to farm Charged Lodestones for it for a while and 250 is just completely insane. This isn’t a long-term goal, this is a no-life goal. If I put in enough grinding to actually get it, I would hate this game by the time I actually went to use it.

I understand making special items rare, but man. Non-legendaries shouldn’t cost more than 100 gold to make, much less close to ten times that.

I really, really hope that the promised fix to the lodestone issue wasn’t FotM because prices for Charged Lodestones have gone up since its introduction, not down.

At least two of the overflow servers seem not to have undergone the events from yesterday (missing WPs and NPCs).

Really, really hoping this isn’t going to be a problem for the big finale event.

Still broken.

All that seems to be needed is for someone to come in and shift the NPC out of the rock.

The lionguard is stuck in a rock during the road-building phase. Nothing’s been happening for a while and it’s just spawning endless waves of karka.

Just a note, it appears that the Superior Rune of the Mad King’s raven summon doesn’t work in WvW, so heads up that you probably don’t want to grind for them if you’re hoping to use them there.

Not to jump on the complaining bandwagon, but pretty kitten disappointing after all the grinding given that WvW was the main place I was planning to use them.

Edit: Nevermind, they do seem to be working. Think it was a culling issue – combat tab shows them and they do show up sometimes against smaller enemy groups. Not a huge amount of damage, but seems worthwhile.

This is a pointlessly biased sample.

I’ve never figured out how to quote on these forums, but a response to the responses (I skimmed and it looks like a little of this has been said, but nevertheless):

It’s not entitlement because ANet wasn’t clear about the drop rates? They didn’t say that the drop rates were higher. They didn’t lie to you at any point. You feel that you are entitled to information about the drop rates beforehand? Wait a kittening day and ask around to get an idea of what they are. Nowhere else in the game are drop rates given to you, why would you expect that they’d give them to you in this case?

Again, the argument is that, if you spent money, you are entitled to those skins and such. That is exactly the situation being described here. Again, that may or may not be reasonable, but it is absolutely entitlement regardless of whether you want to call it that. When you spend money on chests, open a bunch, and then complain that you’ve been cheated you are being entitled in the worst sense – the exact sense that this thread seems to be arguing is inaccurate.

If people are posting because they gambled and they’re disappointed, that’s fine and, to a degree, I can commiserate because I too opened quite a few with no luck.

But if people are posting because they gambled and they’re disappointed and they feel that they have been wronged, that’s a very different situation.

Edit: Huh, suddenly the quote button is showing up. Go figure.

I suspect that something is bugged. I’ve done all the ones that you can currently complete (Halloween Huntin’, Trick or Treat Bags Opened, and Pumpkin Carving – as well as the first Act’s quest) and mine says 1, not 2.

The gold from $100 could currently be used to buy any of the skins in the AH.

And if you spent $100 on this, why on earth don’t you just add a slot to your bank so you don’t have to worry about throwing away items that take up a modicum of space?

We’re one quarter of the way through it. And it’s the first quarter, so we’re not anywhere near the climax. I can’t imagine that the other parts of the chain won’t have their own rewards.

If you’re buying $100 in keys for this, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s an absurd amount of gold and many of the skins are pretty cheap in the AH.

I’m absolutely loving this too.

I thought the initial art was awesome, but seeing it gradually change is incredible. Probably my favorite part of the whole event so far.

I suspect this may be somewhat skewed given the population you’re polling. The number of people browsing this forum to complain or commiserate is, judging by posts, pretty high. There’s no real way to gauge how accurate a sample this is going to be.

As a foreword, I didn’t read all of the posts so far, so maybe this has been addressed.

The fact that you don’t like the connotation of the word “entitlement” doesn’t mean that it doesn’t apply.

In the end, this is about the issue of players wanting something and being frustrated that they can’t have it.

We can argue about whether their feeling of entitlement is justified, but it is certainly a feeling of entitlement no matter how you slice it. And certainly some measure of entitled is justified. After all, the game exists to entertain people and they paid at least some amount of money for it and put some amount of time into it with certain expectations.

I think the problem is that probably the majority of the posts I’ve seen complaining do not show evidence of reasonable expectations. There are people complaining that there aren’t things that can be gotten for free – but there are: the book can be gotten by anyone and the horns require literally a handful of clicks. There are people complaining that they’ve opened three hundred chests and haven’t found anything, but clearly they’re outliers since many of the skins are going for only one or two gold in the AH (which, after a reasonable number of chests, one might expect someone to use rather than continuing due to sunk costs or a poor understanding of probability). And there are people complaining about the craftables because they’re too hard to make and people are claiming there isn’t anything more reasonable for them to work toward despite the skins from the chest, book, etc.

And to top it all off, we’re only one stage into a four-stage event.

So yes, I think the term “entitlement” is entirely fair to use here, even if it does sound “mean”.

Are these added now, or should we wait for a patch?

This is actually a wonderful idea. A way to tell when stealth worked and when the Revealed condition went away more easily would be great.

Has anyone gotten a full set?

How do the ravens work? Is it AoE damage? Does it last as long as the elite skill (some elite skills being a lot longer than others) or is it on its own timer?

If anyone has a video of it, I’d also love to see it. I’m trying to decide whether to work toward a set, but I want to be sure it’s worthwhile given how much work is involved.

Oldgrimm – you can’t get it in PvE currently.

The Stalwart shoulders and helm are not in PvE. You can get the rest of the set as story quest rewards. It’s extremely frustrating since there are a handful of medium armor pieces you can’t get in PvE, while the light and heavy armors are all available.

Here’s to hoping it gets fixed someday, but I’m doubtful they even know about it.

It is not.

This is really something that ought to be changed.

It seems to be primarily the helms and shoulders that are missing. For instance, the entire Stalwart set is available through personal story rewards, but the helm and shoulders are not.

Additionally, there’s a bug involving the PvP Stalwart and Commando sets. The Commando set mistakenly uses the Stalwart helm (you actually can obtain the real Commando helm in PvE). Meanwhile, the Stalwart set’s helm is mistakenly titled Commando in the locker.

The helm you want is actually the Stalwart one (it’s the name that’s wrong, not the model). The Commando helm actually is in PvE and looks pretty different (it’s just a fairly long bandana mask thing – it matches the Commando set much better).

I was incredibly disappointed to find that you couldn’t get the Stalwart helm too. The rest of the set (aside, I think, from the shoulders) can be obtained during the story, so I assumed the helm could be too and was heartbroken when I had finished and still hadn’t gotten it.

Edit: I put a post about it in the bug forum, but it got buried pretty much immediately. I don’t have a lot of hope that this’ll be fixed anytime soon unfortunately.

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I posted in the bug-tracking forum, but it got buried pretty quickly.

There’re also a couple of items that are inexplicably straight-up missing from PvE. The Stalwart’s Mask/Hat/Helm/Whateverit’scalled is probably the most obnoxious of them, particularly since the rest of the set (aside, I think, from the shoulders), is obtainable through the story. It would be really lovely if it were added.

There really ought to be a way to reobtain anything that has the potential to be missed or accidentally deleted. Some of the later story rewards present an even worse problem in that you have to choose one of several and they soulbind on acquire, so you can never get hold of the others, even via the AH, if you later decide you like the look. It’s silly that the answer is to roll an entirely new character just because you want the skin from one fairly low-level piece of armor.

Two (one assumes to be) related issues:

(1) The PvE set corresponding to the PvP Stalwart set is missing at least one piece. While one can get a few of them through the personal story, the helm cannot be obtained. Several people have noted that the pieces were drops during the beta, so perhaps it’s supposed to drop? Or perhaps it should have been added to one of the story missions like the rest (please give some way for those of us who have already done the story to get it though!)?

(2) The PvP Commando set is using the PvP Stalwart set’s helm. This seems likely to be an error – since the longer, bandana-style mask is what goes with the set in PvE (looks visually like it goes with the Commando set and isn’t found in the PvP armors at all either).

I’ve spent similar time looking to find out how to get the helm. The answer, for the moment anyway, seems to be that you can’t in PvE. You can get a few pieces of the set during the story, but not all of them.

Someone mentioned that they were drops during the beta weekend, so one presumes that they were somehow accidentally removed from the drop table. There’s also a bug in the PvP sets where the Commando set uses the Stalwart mask instead of the Commando mask, so I wonder if that’s not related.

It would be really nice to see this fixed, but I doubt it’ll be happening anytime soon. It’s probably a fairly low priority and I doubt the devs actually know about it.