Guild Wars 2

Yeah, I’ve basically joined finished matches about 20 times in a row. This was one my favorite Wintersday activity and this is, as you say, unplayable.

Yeah, I’ve seen this too. I wouldn’t blame every WvW bug on hacking Ransom. I’ve seen this when HoD was T8 and we were fighting FC for a keep. At that point in time I doubt either side had anything to appeal to would-be hackers/exploiters. It did add a seriously weird element to the fight, though. lol

It’s so true. This content is definitely more for skilled commanders/coordination and not so much player skill.

This kind of content seems like it would be more enjoyable scaled down a lot and slapped into a dungeon. Even organized it’s rather chaotic. In the wurm fight we were doing great with the Cobalt wurm when a couple mesmers—trying to be helpful no doubt—started setting up portals for people to use to speed up the time back to the drop-off site with bombs. I think if it hadn’t been for that, we’d have gotten him down to 25% or less as the bombs disappeared on people who took the portals.

The problem with this sort of content is every time you do it there is going to be at least 10 new players who have NO idea what kind of mania they’re in for. Even if I personally do not find the content hard, that doesn’t mean the 75 others feel the same way. I can’t control how well 74 other players play.

I know there is going to be servers who finish this, mostly riding on the backs of some giant guild that has prepped their people way ahead of time and can make sure they don’t afk at an inopportune moment, or whatever. They’ll impress us all, except we’re not being impressed for the right reason. It’s less skill, more coordination. If we wanted a game that has us coordinating 74 other people I doubt we’d all have chosen a fantasy-based MMO. I think this is being wasted on the wrong crowd.

That may be true, but I doubt that something will be waiting on a 15 minute raid-style event that so far has had a rather low success rate. Right now it’s new and interesting… and even if the match-ups are horrible, most dedicated WvWers would rather play through a bad match than PvE unless the PvE content is something brand new.

Basically on my server the best attempts have been when our WvW population has stepped in big time, so I agree with the OP. And while servers that are seeing many, many overflow each Teq fight will disagree—the lower tier servers are suffering more in this fight and it’s because of organization. Sure we all end up having about 70-100 on primetime, but if even 30 of those players are scratching their head with NO idea about anything it’s a lost cause. The successful fights so far seem to consist of at least 40-50% of the players of that fight being from the same one or two guilds minimally who use teamspeak, mumble, or whatnot to communicate. It’s a great idea, but the problem is even though BG, TC, JQ and others have beat Teq now, once Leagues come around the Teq fight will likely be forgotten. It’s WvW guilds that have the numbers, unity, and organization in most cases. So of course a new shiny PvE content will only interest them for so long. Once they get the ascended weapon(s) they want it’s back to battle…

summourn.4982:

Kristen Perry.5260:

There have been trends and themes, but one question makes me curious. I see a lot of folks mentioning what they’d like to see on sylvari, but that’s a different question than what they’d personally like for their own character.

Major disclaimer: no promises, no schedule, etc… But if you were daydreaming about what you personally want for your sylvari, what would it be? :} What would its presence feel like? What style? What materials?

Hi Kristen,

Please let me start by saying your artwork and designs for the Sylvari are fantastic. They are the most beautiful, inspiring race I’ve had the privilege of playing so far in an MMO.

As far as more options for my characters, I would definitely like longer hairstyles indeed. Elegant hairstyles perhaps with flowers peeking out here and there. I think a very fun idea would be to implement hair decorations (as currently none of the Sylvari styles has any that I can recall) in the form of natural pieces. For example, a headband or ponytail holder or barrette (sp?) holding up part of the long hair could be made of (color interchangeable at creation perhaps) ornately, delicately woven branches or vines, even perhaps with tiny glowing berries or gems or pearls accenting it.

Flowers could also be both small, woven in parts of a hairstyle or even a large centerpiece on the side of the head, etc. I think I just want more flowers in general! My two current Sylvari are both female. One is a guardian and has the short leafy hairstyle. It fits her perfectly. My elementalist, though, I find I’m wishing for something more elegant, delicate, long. Something exotic with branches, even perhaps done up in a mock bun of sorts, the leaves of her hair twisted up and held or supported by something, perhaps even a ‘half branch’ type head, with the bottom being branches and the top being leaves held up by it or spilling over.

I apologize if I’m being too specific now. The race is so lovely that I couldn’t help but generate my own ideas as well. TL;DR: More long hair, please!

Also, please forgive me as I was pressed for time and it’s been quite a while since I’ve drawn anything, but here are some doodles from me of female (or unisex) hairstyles I would love to see.

I absolutely love these. If hairstyles such as these were put into place I’d have to make more duplicate classes. lol I already have two mesmers as it is. I have three sylvari so far and they and asura are my two favorite races. I’d love to see more hairstyles. I think as a girl gamer, the sylvari are a breath of fresh air since they’re not ridiculously buxom and seem to often have such curious natures and free spirited independence.

Feelm.1938:

It’s not just temple events that are suffering. The event where you escort a party from Meddler’s Waypoint to Anchorage Waypoint in Cursed Shore seems impossible now, as the event spawns Risen Nobles which previously did not place hugely damaging AoEs. As a result the NPC group gets downed extremely quickly as the event spawns about 5 of those mobs all of which place the AoEs. The event then fails after about the third encounter, if you get that far, as it’s based on a morale system and can only take about three wipes.

Please test your content guys.

The event Feelm posted about is problematic more for the NPCs’ sakes than players. The few times our server has succeeded in this escort is when we’ve had multiple Guardians with heal builds going and that’s just not right. In a game that has proclaimed that it will be WITHOUT the holy trinity, don’t make an event that requires one piece of that holy trinity: namely healers/heal builds. No one should have to run a heal build for an event because developers’ have granted the NPCs such abysmally low toughness and vitality. Beef up a lot of these NPCs. I know Jonez is an issue, too, but he isn’t the only one.

The only other way my server has succeeded is by actually aggroing the nobles very far from the NPCs, but that requires a pretty substantially sized zerg. This event isn’t scaling properly at all. I’ve seen 20 people do it and it has the same amount of enemies as when one person makes an attempt (not knowing how horrible it is). And now they’ve added a veteran abomination that heads STRAIGHT for the NPCs, pummeling them if by some chance they have lived up until this point. If Arah’s WP wasn’t kept permanently open until the escort was complete and was reset to how it was before, Arah would never be open.

Deemo.6094:

Kapina.9012:

Nicolatte.5360:

Yeah, I’ve pretty much agreeing with everyone else. The worst part is some of the events that don’t even involve a chest are this bad as well. Like I was doing Rakkan—the skritt event where he walks past the tar elementals and makes his way to the champion mother drake—and they beefed up the champ a ton and it summons eggs, which turn into veteran baby drakes lol. I mean the most people I have EVER seen do this event on my server was 6 and that was a long time ago. I’m sure the overpopulated servers are handling this kind of silliness fine, but for the rest of us: tone it down. People everywhere are actually talking about switching games because now the one place they can work on their legendary has now been turned into fights that can last half an hour. At that point it has NOTHING to do with skill and everything to do with stamina with a keyboard and/or mouse. I thought this game was supposed to be casual player friendly. Don’t make events that only have 4 people present so overpowered.

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Isn’t really any better in high populated servers. We basically can’t see the enemies during most events if there are lots of people. You just get instakilled. Yesterday our server, underworld (HIGH population server) could NOT finish Grenth temple event. I literally camped that event for over 6 hours during evening (thanks to hockey matches :P) and every time we failed around 30sec-3 minutes where you have to defend paperbag Jonez. Fix this already, it’s ridiculous.

The PvE Culling seems to on an auto setting, try reducing graphics and such to improve the amount u can see on your screen. works for me.

I do wish this was the case, that a bit of graphics reduction could fix the pve culling. However, before even posting in this thread I have made every attempt to fix the pve culling. It’s been something of an annoyance to me for quite some time, and I’m willing to play with substandard graphics on a great pc that is more than capable if that would make it so I can see what’s going on and what is attacking me.

The official response in the other thread is seriously lacking. I mean events may not me scaling correctly? Even if they WERE scaling correctly Wraiths and spider eggs should not be doing that kind of extraordinary damage should they? It’s nonsense. And limited to “relatively few spots”? That’s hilarious. It’s all over that I’ve dealt with this. It isn’t one or two events. If that was the case we’d all avoid those events, grump a bit on here, but continue to enjoy this game. Instead this problem is limiting most of Orr for people and making the world events so tedious and time consuming that it’s now unimaginable to do them if you’re a person with a busy schedule. I just don’t understand why a game that once said they’d be friendly toward casual players has gone back on that promise not even a year later…

Yeah, there are no tactics/skill involved when you’re one-shot. Especially in world events when sometimes it’s difficult to even see if you’re going to get hit with everyone else’s skills going off and littering the screen. And culling being a problem still makes one-shotting enemies even more unfair. How are you supposed to dodge a one-shot attack when you can’t see the enemy doing the attack because it hasn’t/isn’t loading yet/at all?

Aveneo.2068:

To me it sounds more and more that an extra digit was put behind all veterans and champions. By accident? I really hope so, because if it was intended ANet just killed Orr.

I mean, getting hit by a few eggs for 1-2k a pop, that’s reasonable considering the number of mobs during these events. But getting hit for 10-20k (some even dealing 30-40k in one shot) several times in a row is not!

I honestly hope that’s the case. Rather it be an “oops” on the coding than that someone actually thought this was a good idea. I play elementalist mostly in Orr and I’m sorry they did not design elementalists health pools to withstand that abuse.

Kapina.9012:

Nicolatte.5360:

Yeah, I’ve pretty much agreeing with everyone else. The worst part is some of the events that don’t even involve a chest are this bad as well. Like I was doing Rakkan—the skritt event where he walks past the tar elementals and makes his way to the champion mother drake—and they beefed up the champ a ton and it summons eggs, which turn into veteran baby drakes lol. I mean the most people I have EVER seen do this event on my server was 6 and that was a long time ago. I’m sure the overpopulated servers are handling this kind of silliness fine, but for the rest of us: tone it down. People everywhere are actually talking about switching games because now the one place they can work on their legendary has now been turned into fights that can last half an hour. At that point it has NOTHING to do with skill and everything to do with stamina with a keyboard and/or mouse. I thought this game was supposed to be casual player friendly. Don’t make events that only have 4 people present so overpowered.

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Isn’t really any better in high populated servers. We basically can’t see the enemies during most events if there are lots of people. You just get instakilled. Yesterday our server, underworld (HIGH population server) could NOT finish Grenth temple event. I literally camped that event for over 6 hours during evening (thanks to hockey matches :P) and every time we failed around 30sec-3 minutes where you have to defend paperbag Jonez. Fix this already, it’s ridiculous.

Yeah, we can’t see stuff either. I was downed by a veteran wraith yesterday doing Grenth and the kicker was I couldn’t see it and it never did appear even 4 minutes later. lol So people were attacking and killed an enemy that never turned up on my screen. And it’s not our pcs… this is culling at its’ worst. They can’t have events be THIS insanely difficult and unenjoyable and let culling continue unchecked in pve. I just said the thing about the high population servers because there always seems to be somebody from the tier1-2 servers who wants to come in and say, “Well we’re doing fine, l2p.”

And yeah, I’m awaiting an official response, too. Don’t let this go, everyone. This is something they need to fix.

Raine.1394:

Ayochak.8293:

Champion Risen Drake Broodmother became insanely hard.
As an expected result nobody is killing it anymore.

It’s a weird policy to “ameliorate” a game by making some of its content impracticable.

I’d like to think they just don’t want people to play there anymore. I don’t want to think that they are that bad at game balance.

lol I am with you on that. Maybe they want us all to flee from Orr. If that’s the case they should make tier 6 mats drop in more places….

Yeah, I’ve pretty much agreeing with everyone else. The worst part is some of the events that don’t even involve a chest are this bad as well. Like I was doing Rakkan—the skritt event where he walks past the tar elementals and makes his way to the champion mother drake—and they beefed up the champ a ton and it summons eggs, which turn into veteran baby drakes lol. I mean the most people I have EVER seen do this event on my server was 6 and that was a long time ago. I’m sure the overpopulated servers are handling this kind of silliness fine, but for the rest of us: tone it down. People everywhere are actually talking about switching games because now the one place they can work on their legendary has now been turned into fights that can last half an hour. At that point it has NOTHING to do with skill and everything to do with stamina with a keyboard and/or mouse. I thought this game was supposed to be casual player friendly. Don’t make events that only have 4 people present so overpowered.

lol I should never, ever read this thread when nauseated again. I swear I watched that video and felt worse after laughing so hard. You guys are all so awesome. I just love that people on this tier are willing to laugh at themselves/each other in turn and someone doesn’t get all hurt about it.

That’s the second video using that same scene and let me say, it was funny the first time and it was funny the second time. Thanks so much for the laughs!

Oh, and for the engineer’s unite thing, those of you who play engineer seriously should check this out, it’s really funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

So if FC is the SS, what does that make ET and HoD in this WW2 scenario. lol

Under Web.2497:

^^ well there will be more shatter power builds so expect a xx% shatter damage nerf for june.

Honestly, as wicked damage as I’ve seen from shatter builds, people are going to miss confusion builds. lol At least confusion can be waited out, but I’ve seen videos of shatterer specialists taking out 5 people in seconds. It’s just insane. I wish I was so good as mesmer, I wouldn’t play my elementalist so much. lol

If Anet continues to pander to new players who do not want to learn how to deal with other classes and the unique conditions they can apply, this game will quickly become uninteresting. Nerfing is never the answer, why instead of saying nerf confusion didn’t some of you people say, “Make us stronger” instead to deal with it? Now you’ll have gotten your wish and next month they’ll nerf some other class and it could be yours and then you’ll understand how frustrating it is to make a build, shell out time, money, and energy, and get a 50% nerf. 50%. That’s insane.

Also: the video with the necro vs. the guardian… linking that is silly. That’s why you’re supposed to be watching for retaliation before you use that skill. That was ridiculously bad playing.

katz.8376:

regarding ET upgrading stuff: after 3 long months of SF, alot kinda got into the mindset of “why bother, it will be taken anyway.” and now it’s set into habit. a habit we will have to break. i’ve been doing my part upgrading and prepping siege (in fact i woke up early this morning to do as many of the upgrades on hills as i could, due to my error last night) and i’ve been encouraging others to do the same

Yeah I get where you are coming from, which is why I said just try it for a few days and see if it makes a difference. And I have a lot of respect for you guys who had to deal with SF for so long, it was boring very quickly because morale got shot so easily and people panic easily when they see a sea of red. We had the same issue, too, we’d upgrade something and two hours later I’d log on and it was back to nothing as SF took it and we’d reclaimed it. From my standpoint the biggest difference between tier 8 and tier 7 is just defense and getting/keeping people to do that dull stuff like dolyak escorting, paying for defensive siege, and making sure upgrades go through. I’m sure many would disagree with me, however.

I think it’s also a matter of getting the word out that this is the new tier 8. I really feel this is the most balanced tier I’ve ever been in, and that makes for much more enjoyable time. Some of ALL of our players may come back to WvWvW once they realize they won’t be roflstomped every minute by 40 enemies from Sorrow’s Furnace.

I’m not a commander, but I will say while yeah it would have been wise to announce a sweep before logging off, that should be standard approach and not need a commander asking for it. You take/re-take something and you sweep… people get over eager and rush off, it happens. They lost the tower that was enough of a loss without people pressing it on forums.

As for the double-teaming… that’s tunnel vision talking. People always see what’s happening to them and not others. If you see your BL getting hit hardest then you’re likely not going to notice when things die down because someone else’s BL is being tanked. You’ll be enjoying the calm before the next storm to defend, get a drink, stretch lol. Everyone needs to stop being THAT guy/gal who can’t see the forest for the trees and realize with a 24 hour battle no one is ALWAYS the victim.

On upgrades: When I WvW my small guild has been financially responsible for a lot of upgrades. We’ve laid low recently just because it was getting too expensive and a few of us are very close to legendary weapons and would like to finish. Yes, it stinks to shell out that kind of cash and lose the tower/keep. Still, having something with paper walls/doors all the time is just asking for people to NOT play WvWvW and play 2v1. And even if you lose an upgraded tower/keep it took them more time/resources to take it which bought you time elsewhere to save maybe the next tower or keep. Upgrades ARE worth it, even when you lose what you upgraded. When one of your own says there aren’t enough upgrading going don’t immediately use the excuse of, “But we lose it” because that happens to EVERYONE. Maybe try a few days of defending as well as being offensive and see if that makes a difference.

Cameirus.8407:

I dont play a mes anymore, so speaking as someone who comes up against them, this is really not a necesary nerf.

Confusion is not that powerful. I am quite often in groups with people kittening about it, and am left wondering what the hell they are on about.
Then I realise they dont take condition removal….

Exactly. I don’t know how people are doing spvp/wvwvw without condition removal. Seems insane, reckless, and stupid. The people who seem to have the biggest beef with confusion seem to be thieves—which is comedy gold since as soon as mesmers get the nerf bat thieves stealth is probably going to get it. Thieves complain because they attack so fast half the time they don’t realize they’re killing themselves until they are already dead.

I’m sad about the confusion nerf. I don’t specialize as a confusion engineer, my mesmer does but I don’t WvW much as her. But even so, coming up against mesmers I liked that I had to watch myself and take care. It was a less obvious condition at times so it kept me on my toes. I think this is a disservice to players as a whole and lowers the bar for skillfulness once again. This was a mistake. Like someone else said in this thread, and many have said before: nerfing isn’t the answer… BALANCE by improving other classes to meet these restrictions. Shorten cd on condition removals, make Rangers so they can do better damage, etc. etc. There’s a long list and I’m sure 127319864389 threads full of suggestions (slight exaggeration lol). This was lazy.

Parktou.4263:

Back in SM again, one of these days I’m gonna ninja SM just so everyone can see my guild logo, even though I’ve got no guild buffs, like the idiot who did it this time ;P

I guess what can you expect when their guild logo is an ale mug…. lmao.

insanemaniac.2456:

Kay.5416:

Also, we need an avatar/representation for HoD. Hm. Hard to match GoM’s Gollum/aliens dude, but their name was easy. Hedge of Denravi/Hod is trickier. Hodor? http://i.imgur.com/1w8dY.jpg
Not as funny, but he’s got Hod in the name & might be easier to find screenshots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hodgins_

hod goblins
obvious celeb match: willem dafoe, bad mothakittena

If our representative is the bug/dirt specialist from Bones, it explains so much. Haha.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

FC, get rid of your guardians. Getting tired of retaliation.

Yes, everyone get rid of your guardians. And thieves. And mesmers. We should all run around as level 1 rangers instead and make our pets duke it out—that would be cool until someone called PETA on us. lol

Ynot.8397:

Thanks for the free keep ET, and it was fun watching you take it HoD

AHHHH! I’m so happy! My elementalist is the one resurrecting in that shot. lol When I saw everyone rushing in I hung back because of his buff and was trying to type in map, “Umm buff guys” but kept having to dodge the champ to bring back the dead. Haha.

I will say I do agree that being second in total points is a bad position: first place is fighting to keep you at second and third is fighting to take your place like it was said. That’s so true. I think ET’s BL just got hit harder than FC’s because of timing, not some mass conspiracy. While you guys were taking back DB we abandoned it and took your garrison, and by the time you guys arrived we were capturing. That was just really bad timing. First night is always rough since everything is paper, but it makes it interesting!

Glad to see no ego-driven chest puffing posts. I love that. It makes WvWvW fun again to not have that sort of thing. Thanks for the fun in ETs BL, I especially loved all of our battling for DB.

Hope to have fun this week everyone! Glad to play with not one, but two new servers! Always awesome to play against new people and learn new strategies/techniques. Thanks for having us.

Devon.9061:

LETS GO FOR A NEW RECORD!!! I have 10g on 5 threads so keep it up guys!! Im cheering for you!!

I had suggested this LAST thread that we start a wager on how quick the thread gets closed. What money we could have made (and lost!). lol At this point though, maybe we’ll become that thread in which no one wants to rule over us at all because we’re too bad mannered?! We could become rebels of society. Before this happens I want to pull a Shankshaw and say that in this rebel nation… I’m the woman who can get you things—even posters of Rita Hayworth. lol

But in all seriousness, maybe just don’t post videos anymore until at least the rage that seems so close to the surface coming from all three servers simmers down a bit. It just ends in finger pointing and ridiculing and general havoc. Unless that video is of servers joining together to do something like the Moose thing (how could you guys get the thread with the moose thing locked—have you no sense of style?), then maybe not post it. Just… have fun people and remember that we don’t need trolls… trolls should have vibrant and unrealistic hair colors and geometric gems embedded in their bellies. Stop ruining the 80s-90s for me!

SF: 172,716
NSP: 127,283
HoD: 124,017

Quick, before it turns into yet another internet mosh pit wherein one person says something and everyone attacks him/her, let’s all try this civility thing!

Beverage anyone?

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

xxDARKMATTERxx.2930:

I am currently a member of the [PvP] guild from SF.
Contrary to what many believe, we had given up the “zerg” mentality right before we moved up a tier. I can tell you that after a number of tier 1 guilds transferred over to the opposing servers and face rolling us countless times, we had to step back and rethink on how we were doing things. We do not simply win by running head first into our opposing team and “swing” “swing” away, AoE anything and everything in sight. We learned from our mistakes going up against these tier 1 guilds and got stronger as a guild. We redid our builds, we held tactical practices, we even got stronger as a server. It’s not just a bunch of portal bombs as many of you think. We had major drama against other guilds on SF but when we moved up a tier, we put it all behind us and began working together. We do not bash other players on forums, we take all name calling and bashings with a grain of salt. We learn from our mistakes and continue to grow as a guild, as a server. We look foward to seeing you all in the battle field, friend or foe alike and hope you have as much fun in WvW as we do.

this again. increases my respect of your guild. and LK is going through the same thing.

i love GoM i really do. i have some good friends on that server that, unfortunately, i will probably never play against in WvW again. but a positive from having SF move up a tier is…HoD gets a wake up call.

to be honest we were very spoiled in the old t7. we were in a little dream world that we would roflstomp you with just throwing money at the problem by building 30 golems, and not perparing and learning new tactics for a new enemy. we enjoyed having the advantage in numbers a little “too” much. and now its biting us in the kitten

let the forum warriors rage about numbers and being " better". The truth is (and i can only speak for HoD) is that we have ALOT of work to do. and so much to Learn from SF. from effectivly defending portal bombs. to defending keeps. LK has trippled its effectiveness since you guys have shown up, just because you make us work for our keeps! i can tell the difference when we are there and we are not. that is not kittenyness. its just fact. and it would not have been so if great guilds like PvP and KING had not slapped me awake on reset day :p

so thank you to those two guilds in particular. im sure there are other great guilds out there in SF that i have not had the pleasure of facing yet, a couple others that come to mind are Seed (with your annoying engi commander) and LH. i hope to give you guys a run for your money in time :P. so enjoy the comfy lead while you have it! cuz ill be in your bl one day

Regards
LK

This is what I talked about back when it was HoD vs. DH vs. GoM for weeks: I said we needed a change up just for tactical purposes if nothing else. You stop learning when you face the same groups again and again. It’s good that we’re having this struggle and being pushed to learn new strategies and tactics like Havvik said. Some of us have been in HoD all along and learned a lot back when TA was around. But we always get new people, and this is helpful for them to know what it’s like to be pushed.

And the argument going back and forth with SF claiming they don’t have more people… that’s just depressing. It won’t go anywhere, because SF would never concede to the point. Just drop it. You guys are going to get another thread closed. Everyone needs to back off that point. If SF wants to puff out its’ chest for whatever reason… let them. Go back to playing and having fun, who cares. If they jump/dance on your body assume they’re a 13 year old who can only cook Easy Mac. That’s probably the truth.

I think it would be easier for SF if they understood we were having fun before. NSP would win, then GoM, then HoD won. It was always hard, always fun. When each week is a fight that is so close it’s very enjoyable. We did need the change so we could learn more, but it would have been nice if it was a bit closer of a fight.

When DH was battling GoM and HoD at the end with a lot more people… they stopped having fun after the first week or two and said so on the forums. Because it was dull. When the fights are that close… WvWvW is what it should be. You guys can feel a sense of pride at your teamwork, or mad skills, or whatever… but this is only fun now because it’s new and food for the ego. Then it won’t be fun anymore, and you too will just want to have to fight tooth and nail for a win like we do. Then you’ll understand where some of us are coming from.

Right. If this thread doesn’t get closed as well in the next 48 hours it’s because moderators didn’t notice how quickly it, too, went south. lol Anyone wanna call it specifically?

I really hope, by reading some of these posts, that most of the people talking smack are 15 or under in age. Otherwise it’d be embarrassing to imagine grown men and women with responsibilities, possibly kids even, not able to afford even a sliver of respect to each other.

Is it that hard for everyone to play nice and be respectful? Whenever people post screencaps on here and I can see the WvWvW map chat…. it’s so civil, sometimes jokes are being passed back and forth… you’re having fun, we’re having fun, let’s have some fun. But no, it has to be another egofest.

Lazuline.3876:

Oh yes, I forgot about that. In between the west wall trebbing, a bunch of our guildies and some select players made a rush to the water gate. We were becoming paranoid of spies at that point in time so we tried to covertly take the gate with a golem and a ram. Once we broke through, we announced it via team chat and made a crazy push to the inner gate. It was so crazy, a bunch didn’t know where the water gate was and there was no plan after the water gate breach. Needless to say, we were eventually pushed back out. But, it was great fun.

Spies? That’s pretty outrageous given how expensive it would be to transfer to DH and back to original server, unless you’re implying that your own people have been playing for the other team all along (and if so why not just join the server they’re intent on helping for some inexplicable reason than linger on your server). Otherwise that would involve two accounts, and that’s even more money than the transfers would cost. Paranoid doesn’t even begin to describe things at that point.

I really hope that the seed of paranoia was implanted in your guys’ heads from some troll who doesn’t even understand the fundamentals of the game. We’re tier 7 here, if someone was THAT insane about WvW they would have joined Jade Quarry ages ago and left us all in a better place for their departure.

mginn, that was the funniest thing I’ve read in ages! I loved it, thanks so much for late night/early morning humor.

About the whole 20 DH vs. 10 HoD…. and you wonder why HoD left them be? Maybe because of math. And 5 GoM? Again… math. SOMEONE from that 10+ HoD group is going to think, “Hey there’s five of you… easy prey.” That’s how it goes every single time. I like to work with small groups as opposed to big zergs and I should know, I get ganked by 3 GoM thieves, a mesmer, and say a guardian for variety all the time. And they had to pass 10+ DH on their way. OBVIOUSLY they’re working together. Or, again, it could be math. :P

Sororita.3465:

boat catas, what ya gonna do eh?

That is so awesome! lol I’ve hopped on that boat a few times and thought, “What an amusing place to put a catapult” and it would be the one piece of siege I lacked (I run out of cats quick!). I’m so glad someone else did it. Did you get some fishing in? rofl

Debois Guilbert.6413:

Otaur.9268:

For one week I would like to fight someone other than Darkhaven and Gates of Madness… They have nearly 2x – 3x our population at all times in WvW.

Henge of Denravi is proud of how we fight, but it gets old when the 2 servers always gang kitten our side due to Numbers. Tactics and gameplay can only do so much when you cannot even load all the enemies onto the screen at one time.

Can we please fight a different server for a change?

Thanks…

Edit: Been fighting DH and GOM for about 2 months straight now.

I have heard from HoD posters a number of times that DH and GoM are somehow double teaming HoD. Enough times to convince me that they believe it. But I don’t see it from our side… most of the time we focus on DH. I certainly don’t see GoM and DH coordinating their efforts. There may be small groups that get together and do their own thing, but that can always happen.

It is confusing to me how HoD was able to pull off a victory the first week of the DH/HoD/GoM matchup, but since then doesn’t seem to have the same focus and drive. I’ve played against some tough groups from HoD. Genesis Theory comes to mind, but there are others. It seems to me that you all have the players to compete.

HoD made a strong push on GoM (and apparently not DH) today, so the sever’s will seems to be to stay in T7, while at the same time giving the impression that it doesn’t think it can compete with DH. DH doesn’t seem to be playing to escape from T7, so they are apparently happy here. As far as I can tell, GoM is more or less happy in T7.

So with whom would you like to be matched against if not GoM and DH? The higher tier servers have even greater WvW populations than we do and yet HoD does not seem to want to move down to T8. The question is genuine and is not meant to be insulting in any way.

I don’t feel DH and GoM are double-teaming and I’m from Henge. The thing too is, if you read all the posters it’s every server in T7 now that has had multiple people week after week saying it. DH even complained of it, and their own commander criticized them for actually going there. lol GoM isn’t infallible, either, they’ve said it. And it’s just how it goes, unfortunately. People always think there’s some conspiracy and disregard coincidence. Plus, if DH is attacking GoM and five minutes before they took a HoD tower, would GoM REALLY pay that much attention to HoD’s loss or vice versa? If you read every (and you’d lose it lol) every WvW thread, chances are if the match-up has been going longer than 3 weeks the whole double-teaming garbage crops up. I hate it, it’s frustrating, I wish people wouldn’t go there….

yawg.4172:

ANYONE RECOMMENDING A SERVER STOP PLAYING WVW FOR TIERS IS WRONG. This completely defeats the purpose of the game! These kind of suggestions are pure nonsense and deserve absolutely no attention from those of us trying to work toward a reasonable solution.

That said, suggestions like these pour in because they want to work within the system and it’s confines and having a server give up and drop a tier is indicative of a problem within the system. This needs to be addressed by ANet in a timely fashion to avoid severe negative repercussions. We can already see that people in FC and ET are fleeing their server for tiers with more competitive WvW action, this needs to be stopped because this just furthers the turmoil and misery on those servers and it’s doing a great amount of harm to the communities there.

Exactly. And I feel for ET and FC and even SF because let’s face it being lodged in at tier 8 is a kind of miserable experience overall if the servers aren’t perfectly balanced. I mean, HoD could go up a tier one day if more people trickle in—we get more coordination, people are more generous about siege donations—or we could go down a tier. At least in either scenario it means CHANGE. Maybe slow change, but change. If you’re always coming in second or third place on tier 8 the best you can hope for is whoever is number 1 moves up and the replacement isn’t as bad.

Either way, asking a whole server to give up something they enjoy to quicken the swap is kind of ridiculous, definitely is selfish, and wouldn’t exactly be feasible. No matter how coordinated a server is, it isn’t like any guilds/alliances are strong enough to speak for everyone.

Gisei.5749:

Nicolatte.5360:

So Sorrow’s Furnace wants HoD to basically take a couple weeks off so they can climb up to our tier more easily? That makes zero sense. If a server feels they belong in a higher tier they should fight to get there. Or else it’ll be your people who make posts like this when DH, or it’s equivalent, leaves you at +0 because of Omegas.

Umm, we’re in T8 because of the Glicko System, not because we aren’t strong enough. At the moment, just before reset, we are winning by a 250k point lead. How will our Rating change based on this? A very meager amount I can assure you.

If you consider that the case then no one from your server should have suggested HoD take a vacation so they can join tier 7. Because it wouldn’t do a thing would it? I never said you guys weren’t strong—you put that out there.

Straegen.2938:

Nicolatte.5360:

I get line of sight issues, but I don’t think Anet ever intended for people to be doing that. One well placed arrow cart can push back 10, two can push back 20, etc. And defensively placed catapults can keep away rams.

Trebs negate this style of fighting in most of EB. The strong server just trebs the wall down and rushes in.

I am aware of this, they do that strategy on all tiers, especially towers near SM, it isn’t some elite strategy known only to the first few tiers. But in that situation the style of fighting the OP mentioned makes even less sense. With a wall being knocked down, line of sight issues that cause a player to stand on the ledge become a moot point so I’m not sure why you brought it up. I’m just saying that I feel Anet meant for people to use siege A LOT more than they do to defend.

So Sorrow’s Furnace wants HoD to basically take a couple weeks off so they can climb up to our tier more easily? That makes zero sense. If a server feels they belong in a higher tier they should fight to get there. Or else it’ll be your people who make posts like this when DH, or it’s equivalent, leaves you at +0 because of Omegas.

I agree with ARM, it isn’t GoM that is the issue or HoD, it’s DH. I think GoM and HoD are well matched. Sometimes we’re second, sometimes they are. As it stands now it seems like DH calls the shots about who gets second because they steamrolled GoM last week mid-week on, and they did it to us so brutally most recently. And let’s face it… I’m sure GoM is bored silly like we are. Being that bored doesn’t exactly make the less than obsessive WvWers want to play and there aren’t enough obsessive WvWers on HoD or GoM I’m sure to man BL/EB at most hours. I have seen 50 DH take a camp. Not run through a camp… TAKE a camp. They have so many people at peak hours that there’s more of them who just wander around dazed and confused (their newbies) or ganking people than GoM and HoD have actually defending.

The last thing HoD should consider doing is dropping the ball and taking a WvW vacation for a couple weeks so we can sink a tier. Then all that would happen is we’d likely be the DH of tier 8 because all the fairweather WvWers would come crawling out of the woodwork. That doesn’t sound enjoyable at all. And unfortunately that may happen in time anyway.

I do admit this is boring, though. I wish once a month we just had some sort of random match-up. It’d probably involve getting steamrolled over, but it’d at least give us a chance to see new tactics and play styles and meet up with new players.

I get line of sight issues, but I don’t think Anet ever intended for people to be doing that. One well placed arrow cart can push back 10, two can push back 20, etc. And defensively placed catapults can keep away rams. It’d be interesting if they added more depth to the take and defend mechanics—maybe new types of siege, ladders, etc.—but otherwise you having to stand at the ledge evens the score. It’s this way in pve too. If an enemy cannot hit you, you can’t hit them… they go invulnerable.

lol Teambattleaxe, I wish that’s why we lost so much. I think DH prefers GoM being second place, or we just didn’t have as many people and were easier pickings. It’s been fun and all, DH, but man you guys need to move up a tier so you can enjoy some real fights and competition. GoM and HoD would have such a blast squaring off I think.

rofl Sororita. I think everyone has been there, placed the wrong siege… although I’m amazed how far along it got in the building process before someone said stop. Looks almost fully made.

Yes, good for you, you guys have big zergs. We are all aghast and amazed at this point.

I missed the Hugfest as well. T_T I’m disappointed. Don’t judge HoD for our hugging skills! We’re good huggers here. My guild is about 80% ladies, so we’re excellent at hugging.

Love the synopsis of the events, TeamBattleAxe. Great breakdown.

While I was in no way supporting what happened, I did come in on it and know that this so-called alliance lasted less than an hour, and even those from HoD that were on at the time were not all complicit. (Once I realized what was going on I personally kept trying to find some GoM people to bust some moves with. lol) There was a lot of arguing and some genuinely disgruntled people from my server.

Doing stuff like this kills the enjoyment of WvW for many of us. I’m not talking about the so-called fairweather players, but the adults who come on GW2 to relax and enjoy themselves—maybe immobilize a thief and take some of the stress of the day out (eh it works for my build sometimes). I hope this kind of thing doesn’t play out again. While GoM’s thieves ganking frustrates me, DH has been on the winning side almost every week but one. There was no logical reason to have an alliance with them. And to say, “We want to make sure we’re at least second…” we could have done that last night without an alliance. Instead I’d say about fifty players logged off or didn’t put much of an effort into it because of what happened. Don’t drive your own players away.

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

last night was…incredibly frustrating even though i had alot of fun at the same time. it seems either we were just lacking the numbers today, or Gom has regained their coordination. regardless of the reason hats off to GOM for giving me a run for my money, and as always to DH who has definitly regained most of their old prowess as a wvw server. although we are now in third place. you have brought alot of issues in HoD to light. and will make us a better server in the end

Keep it up everyone

GoM is doing really well and deserves that credit for sure. If they’d been this driven right out of the gate, DH would have had a serious run for their money. But I do sense a number decrease. I’m noticing so many people missing as of late, and WvW is QUIET. Not sure if we had some people transfer out or what (that’s a general question, not rhetorical)? Kind of mystifying. Things were going great on Sunday when I played a ton…

Fizzlepip.5218:

Nodeninja.5321:

Saw multiple players from both DH and HoD exploiting the invulnerable spots yesterday behind both southern supply camps. It’s most certainly not limited to one server.

That’s why I didn’t point out a server and asked in general “@ the few people that do this sort of thing…”

I’ve seen people guilty of it on my server too, and try to avoid it as much as possible.

It happens. Just asking people to avoid the temptation lol

True that, whenever someone does something smelly and wrong on a server and I wanna gripe, I figure some young punk on HoD probably has done it at some point or other, too. It’s sad to consider, and I think thankfully a lot of the people who post on the forums don’t do that stuff because they don’t want to end up on a screenshot doing something of that nature.

Just try and keep your guildies and friends on the straight and narrow in WvW, it makes it so much more fun. And if the temptation comes up to point fingers, just remember those young punks on your own server. lol We can’t babysit them 24/7 after all, who knows what they’re doing when we go to sleep.

I never even knew that crap was possible, hope it’s something Anet works on in the near future.

A real problem I noticed is you first get a set of red circles to indicate the vacuum skill, then another set of red circles stack up as well and if you’re the unlucky chum who was in THOSE you’re a goner. On top of that the region of the effect is larger than the circles themselves, so the red circles are improper indicators.

Making events more challenging is one thing, but this has become more of a “stand as far away as possible at all times” than a “dodge tricky strategics.” And being one-shot in general is a bad mechanic. The whole point of a fight is IF you do take serious damage to have the skill and know-how (and possibly teamwork if you’re in a party with someone who is a bit support-ish) to deal with this. I mean maybe Sanctum of Rall and SoS can beat it and grats, but you guys are high tier servers with large populations… that makes perfect sense to me. In HoD we’re lucky to get five people to work on this event and so if anyone gets downed it’s pretty much a done deal on most attempts.

The old Grenth was interesting to me, it probably got old for those who completed the event many times, but this is a lot to ask of us smaller servers for 3 blues as a reward. I’m sure about 2% of the community is clapping their hands because they’re big-man gamers on very full servers. But being one-shot is not a mechanic, it’s a cop-out on Anets part to design an interesting and complicated fight. Since they can’t do that they raise the threat level to max.

Bllade.1029:

Bllade.1029:

Oh boy… I thought we were doing better than this in our T7 threads the past couple weeks. Lets keep that chest thumping on the down-low if we can, mkay? All three servers have been variously winning or losing the last few weeks, no need to get all superiority complex in here.

Yeah, I thought so too; ‘till HoD starting pointing fingers at Darkhaven for “allying with GoM.” I’m just trying to address those accusations, that’s all. No superiority complex here, just cold hard facts. We don’t need to team up with another server to win. May be hard to swallow, but the truth seldom is.

That was one person. I know our server is still a bit less full than some, but I really hope people realize HoD isn’t exclusively one individual. Just like the player grabemx who said GoM gave up on WvW, yet I seem to have seen quite a few of them these last couple weeks that testifies differently. One person does NOT speak for a server.

Guys, calm down and try and go back to being civilized. If I wanted to see egos running rampant, I’d go to a more proper location… like a sports bar.

You want us to ask members in an alliance if before the alliance you guys would be winning? Isn’t that a bit of a biased opinion? I’m not trying to in any way berate DH’s alliance, but it has never ever set well with me that when a server is doing well, that server’s alliance pats themselves on the back first and foremost.

You know what happens when people aren’t independent-minded and can’t do the simple things like escort the occasional dolyak, throw some siege up and build it, etc.? Stuff falls apart. When big groups leave a map, and 3 people fend off 20-30 because of well-placed siege and a tower they upgraded and worked hard to keep safe… that’s impressive. Because that stuff is boring, slow, and costs coin before the action finally hits.

Not congratulating everyone for the success of your server (or just awarding them 10% of the success as the other 90%, as you put it is because of the alliance) and just giving all the due to an alliance seems very conceited indeed, not “being a realist.”

On the JP camping… I feel it’s fair game to kill enemies on JP, I don’t do it myself when I completed them until they came after me… but that’s some nice golems you had stand about to keep people from wasting like 30 minutes to an hour to gain a couple pieces of siege… I say let them waste that time. Most of us can raise the amount of gold to buy a guaranteed golem in that time out in PvE no problem. Let them waste their time in the JP I say. As difficult as that thing can be, and as many enemies battle it out to make it even harder, that’s a real time sap. So do I feel the golems were some grand strategic move? No. The only person who mentioned it on our server in chat was the person who posted about it here. If you’re patting yourselves, or guild mates, on the back for it… I guess power to you for being so easily amused. But man, what you could have accomplished in that time with those golems elsewhere.

You have to understand that Kaineg had massive transfers from a T1 guild, and they were oceanic, so even if you guys manage it during the day, they’re going to take it all away at night. When HoD fought Kaineg, it was Dullsville. Just buckle down and enjoy some PvE for a bit or work on some dungeons. But if you wanna help your server, this would be a good week to try and pull more friendly and active players into your guild and create a stronger community there for next week’s action. Good luck!

For GoM people who are sticking true and remaining with their server, good job. I’ve been with HoD since the start and it was tough after the whole mass exodus. But it IS worth it. You’re losing quitters and whiners chiefly. I mean having exclusively good time guys and gals around does no one any good. And commanders giving up and transferring is the worst. That’s the opposite of how a commander should be.

HoD hasn’t had any big transfers that I KNOW of (not sure if that’s saying much though rofl). I do, however, recognize a lot of the guilds in that picture. I remember running with CV back when Titan’s Alliance still existed on HoD, for example.

In general I think we’re all looking forward to the 28th when guesting is an option and transfers are pay only. Mass exoduses will probably be a thing of the past. And we won’t have to deal with DH cheerleader trolls who invade our channels just to insult our server. Hurrah!

And yes Nodeninja, there’s a huge numbers advantage on DH’s side. I think they deserve to move up a tier and give 6 a run for their money. Plus, three weeks of the same match-up and we learn each others’ strategies too well. lol

This thread is of some interest to me as well, thanks for the informative reply Akukittenuna. I was planning on three sets of gear for my Elementalist: Knight’s set, MF, and a heal set. Doing dungeons with PuGs, and also with just people who have never done it before, there ISN’T a lot of room for error most times, so it’s sometimes nice to be able to go support.

Edit: lol I didn’t misspell your name, the censoring is a bit awkward there.

Definitely Mesmer so likely you made the right choice. If you use a 2-handed staff as Mesmer you get a debuff/boon (depending if you use on monsters or players which it does) that is AoE called Chaos Storm; and Blurred Frenzy, a 1-handed sword skill is AoE, but it is close range and doesn’t require “targeting” at all. Plus, if you abuse the #3 skill, “Swap” you can immediately use Blurred Frenzy afterwards so there’s no chance your area won’t be effective, and hey… you’re immune from damage for a few seconds WHILE skill is in effect—how cool is that? So unless you went like close-melee Necro you really can’t escape AoEs much with that class.

I really don’t agree that D/D Elementalist is lacking AoEs… that’s actually kind of a wild idea in my humble opinion. And D/D is a higher risk Elementalist by most standards anyways, stuff like dungeons and oftentimes pvp can be pretty tough as a D/D Elementalist—so if you want to experience the game fully as a cloth-wearer you’d have a harder time with that set-up. If you want a cloth-wearer who isn’t AoE heavy I feel Elementalist is the worst candidate. And I say this not because I dislike the class, I love them both (if my signature didn’t make that obvious).

I’m with most people posters… everyone is fun. I like variety. Although I do get a lot of sick amusement trashing thieves, chiefly because of the perma-stealth/heartseeker spamming ones. Also Guardians are fun too, just because they tend to pose a bit more of a challenge… either their heal is just that dang good or mine is just THAT bad. lol I’d say killing Elementalists is the least pleasurable for me, though. I feel like their downed state skills are still stupid and their end-game HP is ludicrously low.

Raincrow.1840:

People saying… “There were lots of chances to kill him” are soooo missing the point.

If I take ANY other class in the game and try to cap a point alone vs 20 people I will be dead in 3 seconds. Why should a large group need perfect timing and technique to beat thieves when no other class in the game is anywhere near that difficult to kill?

Exactly. I think the most I have ever managed to take on was 4. I know I’m no pvp genius, I won’t pretend to be, so I’m sure others make that look paltry, but I’ve seen one thief destroy 20 easily like Raincrow was saying. It isn’t about WHAT IS THE BEST METHOD. Fighting against a thief in pvp shouldn’t be more tiresome and lengthy than soloing a champ in pve. lol

I always love when people voice new ideas, I think GW2 is a living, breathing game (not literally :P), so it should evolve as well. But I admit I too don’t really support this idea. It may force people not to bandwagon as they do now, I’m not sure if it would ease that a lot or not, but I think the vital element that is missing in WvWvW right now is server pride. Some people genuinely have server pride, and mass exoduses off of oftentimes losing servers tend to leave the loyal ones behind so those servers do have a greater deal of players who feel server pride than some might. I hope one day server pride becomes something that is infectious and spreads and not JUST when your server is winning.