Guild Wars 2

darkace.8925:

“We don’t make grindy games.”

“No, you cannot play as a Reaper until you’ve “acquired” more Hero Points."
“No, you cannot…”
etc, etc, etc

It’s almost as if you need to play the game to play the game…I’d be furious if I was forced to play a game I’d purchased. I’d go and speak up in the senate about it, the world needs to know your plight.

It’s great in PvE where mobs dumbly stand in it and can be useful against others in PvP if combined with the root.

It’s also a very quick way out of you being rooted.

Valdoron.7821:

Not sure why all the speculation… Peters already told us the main things that would be tweaked and essentially this is all he really said:

Many signets, a shout or two, and spirits.
Improve the feel/ pacing on some weapons.

Those are the only areas he went into detail on. Not sure why some people are so confused about it. It’s already clear there will not be a major over-haul, so I would not cancel your plans to roll a Thief or a Warrior if you have them. It’s also clear there will be substantial tweaking to the areas mentioned. And if we are surprised by more than that, then great.

He did say he could not give it all away since it would be a spoiler and he did mention “significant Ranger improvements” then went into some small detail on some of those fixes. So while I don’t think it will be as major as some are hoping, I do think we will see some things fixed that have been very annoying. I’m still rolling a Warrior though.

Please do not bring reality and facts into a ‘Ranger is Broken’ thread.

Sleepy.2647:

Maxzero.4032:

Claiming that Rangers need improvements in PvP – reasonable, screaming “OMG RANGERS ARE THE WORST CLASS IN THE GAME ARENA NET HATES US!!!” is not.

Yes, pretty much that, this got to a ridiculous level where you see these kind of posts even on threads from new players asking for leveling advice.

Yeah, it has got worse in the short time I have been reading here. So many posts seem to have no concept of the rangers skills or even the most very basic concepts of PvP.

Add to that people saying the update will be minor bugfixes when the official post clearly says weapons, spirits and careers will be fixed, just smells of hysterical basement dwellers foaming at the mouth as their mom brings them another tray of big macs.

Not polite, but honest.

You can turn the sword lock on/off in options. You can back roll out of it every time.

Check torch, Bonfire gives a huge dot and opens up a combo field.

Torch. Bonfire > All

Good in noob PvP because they don’t expect it.

Sleepy.2647:

To Sleepy and the others that persistently call people who believe the ranger is sub-par at pvp and needs to be buffed “just whiners”, or refer us to the other class forums and say how they are also full of the same type of threads of people saying how UP their class is, please read this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Rank-dem-Professions-V2/page/2#post734766

Nearly everyone posts ranger as worst or equal worst for spvp. For people that are serious about pvp, you cannot imagine how pissed off we were when our one competitive weapon got nerfed in a patch that was meant to nerf other classes, grrrr, you guys just don’t get it.

Please try to understand that we love ranger and see the potential there, we can still do good 1vs1 or beat noobs or whatever, but if you spend most of your time in spvp you know that Ranger is clearly UP in spvp, and is often a liability to the team.

Here’s hoping that in the next few hours rangers get a significant buff that gives them some purpose in the spvp and wvw meta.

So many ranger pvp’ers are god-awful though, I burst them down to half hp, root them, bonfire them, meanwhile, they are just standing still thinking that SB AA will bring me down not even knowing it’s one of my bears soaking up all the damage..

Means shooting muppets from range while everyone else lets warriors stand toe to toe and cry about the class being broken..

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981:

…And I want him to do his intimidating growl thing when I tell him to. Five seconds after I order you to do it is not acceptable. Yes, you’re in the middle of your ‘1’ attack, but that’s instant too. Cutting it off for your special ability would be better for the both of us.

I don’t think people realize that many pet skills have induction timers? Some 2s+ TBQH, I think with a few current pet issues these inductions should be removed tbqh.

Division.9618:

Ninjah.6298:

Something no-one has pointed out is LB crits harder, ergo, harder hitting in less time, ie. higher burst.

Also, thieves sb has a draw time, unlike ranger.

Crits harder? What do you mean by that? LB has higher crit damage? Because that’s wrong. They both do 200% damage on crit.

Also, thief sb homes in on the enemy, bounces, and actually has damaging skills.

Sigh…but the LB does more damage per strike, so whatever percentage the number is for your char the Longbow will always be a larger amount….

You guys are terribad at analysis, really… as for pets doing 40% damage, pure myth, they dont event show in combat log so how did people come to this magic conclusion?

Thieves arrow is far slower moving too, as well as the draw time…and they are close to pure DPS so, yes, they should do more damage. Nearly all of the thief melee is single target where as most of ours is AOE..

LB Aoe clones.

15chars

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Atm no, shortbow is better in nearly every single way except range. Stick with shortbow for now, when patch comes lets see what they do with longbow and then decide. I pvp and pve with a longbow and it just isnt worth it. Only reason I stick with it is because I like the skills and big kitten skins.

Every single way apart from highest damage per strike, range and aoe…

Something no-one has pointed out is LB crits harder, ergo, harder hitting in less time, ie. higher burst.

Also, thieves sb has a draw time, unlike ranger.

I play ranger. I elite root them, I step back, quickening zephyr, quick-shot, bonfire, they’re dead.

The fast ones kill me, though, as they should.

+1 for thieves using rifle at some point in the future.

HPLT.7132:

but you are wrong with the 6 sec invuln. . This skill costs 30 points into Marksmanship(+power). So if you want to stay longer and beeing able to survive burst damage from a thief / Warrior you have to skill up your attack power. ^^Haha very funny -.- . Also this Skill has a cooldown for 120 Seconds.

No, I’m not.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Protect_Me%22

Tier 2 utility. 3 Skill points… 60s cooldown.

Guys, give up, you need to l2p. Most of you can’t even read a skill list fgs.. :P

Try Hello Kitty or something.

We do have a stun breaker, it’s lighting reflex, slot skill. The 6 sec invulnerably is also a skill slot, 3 points I think. The group heal removes conditions.

And who expects their pet to be able to tank a Dungeon Boss, lol? 1st mmo?

Anyway, this could go on forever, and tbqh, I don’t care, was just trying to correct some stuff.

If you can’t do well with it, it’s not for you and you should move on. Every single class forum has many many threads like this, it’s starting to get like Rift, with all this ‘my class is the worst’ nonsense.

To be blunt it’s a bit sad, and I mean that with regard to every thread similar to this, stating ‘class X’ is broken and requires skill to play, did you all get to 80 and think ‘kitten! this class is crap! wtf have I been doing this last month?’, or….what? Anyway, I have no understanding of someone who would invest their time in something that hadn’t looked into to see if it was suitable for them, so I will lightning roll out and leave you to your disappointments.

They can, they’re called traps.

So many salty tears.

Bears have far superior tank stats to Moa’s. If your pet dies from AOE use a spider, they’re long range and have good skills.

People only discuss weak points, what about spirit of nature with it’s mass rez? Turned a battle last night in WvWvW. What aboyt 6 seconds of invun? What about the longest range in the game. Piercing arrows.

Again people say we have no escape lol, 7 seconds frost trap, knock backs, propel ourselves backwards, aoe root, 6 second invun, lightning reflexes, ranged traps, muddy ground, stabilty, pets absorb root, stealth on knockdown….

Why even think a 10% speed buff is meant for PvP escape? when you know other classes have ranged and closers and speed buffs.

Sorry but some of you have no clue as to what is even available, I will leave you to you woes.

Post your items at peak times. Then you can undercut.

With enough cash you could. I did a Degree in International Finance, I was pretty surprised to see the graph in the Trader when I logged in, I’ll say that.

I think it was due to a bug, but last week, Dye drops went through the roof, price accordingly dropped to 2s, yesterday the price was as high as 4s. If you had the gold and enough units were low, you could have doubled any input, not really a big risk either.

I got a gold for killing 1 mob yesterday.

Dual sword mesmer seems good, if they would fix the clone a bit, It would be better. Shame you cant use Pistol/torch as second set. I wouldn’t say it’s easy but I can see potential in that build, good aoe and can survive a lot, just not always :P

I would imagine as you get more slot skills traits it becomes more manageable.

Dual Pistols would have been good, pretty sure casters with greatswords firing kitten out of them goes back to stuff like AD&D, if someone more geeky[:)] could confirm this, we can be on our way.

I have done a lot of PvP, a lot. Not so much in guildwars yet, but looking at mesmer skills and playing one till lvl 20 they are made for pvp. Lots of blocks and HiP’s type skills, but not overpowered, just better suited. If they had heavy armour and big AoE, yes.

The ability to mitigate entire attacks and their effect (while attacking) is a very powerful ability in small scale pvp. It’s really not a faceroll type class though, from what I can see.

Ravina Gray.4719:

Strucker.8274:

I’ve played MMO’s for 10+ years, I haven’t been this relaxed or satisfied with a game in a very long time.

Same here

Some ppl are so brainwashed they’ve lost the ability to comprehend methinks. Throw the tradition of i am the tank everyone needs me i am the healer everyone needs me give me the loot and the gear give me the epics let me roll around being leet and better than everone else let me one shot stuff and let me skip stuff and do dungeons for epic rewards in 10 mins… i’ve earned it and make this game just like …… Get rid of all that and the game becomes fun and if it’s not fun why the heck would you play it.

I could probably agree with that too, it has some things that are in need of attention, and some things that just plain piss me off, considering it’s a few months since release, I think the game is looking pretty good.

I’m not even talking about the fact there’s no fee. Some of the best ideas i’ve seen and often well implemented. Th irony of everyone crying every mmo is wow clone and then when a non wow clone comes along the same people cry its not like wow, lol.

I will say whoever designed the human 45-55 zone needs to be locked in a dark cupboard for a week though, the Charr 40-50 is so much better it’s actually not funny.

Krosan.2890:

I wonder if the GW2 community is possibly the most whiny mmorpg community to date.

Nope, that was Rift.

And Learn to Dodge, watch what the mob/boss is doing. People complain about getting downed, but every player can in-combat-rez…an infinite amount of times…some from range or with pets. Other games have huge CD’s on skills like this, this is not WoW, finally :P

Also, wtf does ‘overgeared’ mean? Do people wear two suits of armour? Pretty kitten term tbqh. Is there a negative reaction when your gear gets too good? Many facepalms for this thread. Many.

Nerien.5412:

LOL you will have to run 23 times the same instance with the certain that you will get the set you want at the end of it, while in other games I have runned around 100 times the same instance and didn’t get what I wanted(Aion for example).

Yeah, in LOTRO most guilds ran a fight (The Watcher) hundreds of times they couldn’t even beat :P, then 2 people would get 1 piece. Plus you needed a specific set to even enter as well as the correct team, all on vent. RaTs and everything to even stand a chance. Then they nerfed him, because people cried..

30 runs for a full set is nothing.

I was with you back in WAR. Wish I had read this forum before I chose a server. Gl guys.

I found a bit of an odd learning curve on how to level at a good speed, it’s really more about the big events than the hearts imo. Dont be afraid to go a few levels higher, but dot pull too much aggro at once in an event.

Start farming materials early, you need crap loads.

Azura, because it looks funny as hell when tanking huge bosses, like Hobbit Tanks in Lotro.

Give eles plate armour and take a longbow for yourself..

chtiyonki.6284:

If I would complaint against Thiefs it will because they are just fleeing anytime they lost (QQ stealth).

That’s their mechanic and complaining about it is the same as them QQ’ing about us healing.

Elephant/Rhino :P

Johnny Five times, several pets have their own heal or regen and you can passive skill them to regen. All of the Moas heal.

Division.9618:

Ninjah.6298:

Are you high? That can hit about 8+ targets, cripple them for 50% for 8s, the last 3s of which you can use another skill (like torch drop/root) while the arrow rain continues , and you are comparing that to AA of a single target shot….

I really can’t believe you did DPS calculations but you couldn’t work that out.

Plus it can have the highest range of any weapon/attack in game.

I think it’s pretty clear what needs a buff….

Division.9618:

This one is a bit of a grey area. It does a lot less damage than SB, but it’s an AOE and a cripple.

I didn’t say it was worse. I said it did less damage by itself, but was also an AOE.
Oh yeah and all AOE can only hit a maximum of 5 targets.

Also having large range is pretty useless in sPVP where a class can spot you and catch up to you very quickly. Barrage doesn’t work at max range too.

Yeah, large range is useless when defending keeps or getting the drop on someone or assisting from high on a cliff or ‘fighting another range class who has a less range’, duh, think before you type and stop digging yourself a hole.

Division.9618:

From what i gather the only use LB seems to have is to fire into zergs in WvW, and it isn’t exactly spectacular at that.

Longbow really needs a buff.

Are you high? That can hit about 8+ targets, cripple them for 50% for 8s, the last 3s of which you can use another skill (like torch drop/root) while the arrow rain continues , and you are comparing that to AA of a single target shot….

In PvE it’s amazing, in PvP it’s the exact kind of skill that puts pressure onto a flagging group, they’re crippled, melee can whup them. Everyone wants to have the ‘I Win’ button, it’s a lot more reliable than the ele’s fire storm and far quicker to give some effect, people need to read up/know what they’re talking about in context before they ask for buffs.

I really can’t believe you did DPS calculations but you couldn’t work that out.

Plus it can have the highest range of any weapon/attack in game.

I think it’s pretty clear what needs a buff….

Complaining about the performance while leveling is utterly ridiculous. Shortbow/Sword+Torch and traps is just as hilariously faceroll as the GS signet warrior.

Yeah, all this kittening is clearly coming from sub 30 players, once you get the elite 20s root + torch drop + LB AOE, you can just melt stuff, not to mention Cold Trap.

If you are dying on ranger in pve a lot, you have serious problems, you are ranged, you can propel yourself/or the enemy backwards, you have more slows than any other class, you can even leap out of combat with the sword, you have healing spring, you have 2 pets, you can get a sigil for regen early on for you and your pet… probably have some of the best overall control and mobility as far as pve is concerned.

If you’re a ranger and melee mobs are hitting you in open pve, you’re probably doing it wrong.

Also, can’t believe people are saying ranger has no escape options, compare them to a guardians…we don’t have instant win buttons. Drop cold trap, Sword Skill 2,SB skill 3, you are now about 80 metres from the enemy in about 3 seconds, while they are running at -66% speed with +66% skill cd. That combination is on 30s cd, but it could be 15s if you used spike trap.

Imo, it’s far better to use skill like this than rely on long cooldown, ‘I win’ style buttons like the ele’s fog, which takes up a trait slot, oh wait, so does one of the thief skills…Mesmer has some great stuff, but then they have to put up with that god awful sound the GS makes..

Every single class thread on this forum has posts about their class being kittened, so funny. Also, I’m sure every class has it’s own threads with titles like ‘Our class is really hard to play, no one understands our burden, mechanic X is really hard/broken’.

Just give mesmers heavy armour and make them Pve only and put them on a separate server, then we can see and end to these threads.

Well, actually they can. Apparently you use mostly glass builds and short bow. Try to spec in BM and toughness for example – pet will do all 60. In any case, ppl does not mean that they make 40% of your damage, they mean that your loss 40% because of them. That is the problem. Without a pet you are nothing. And pets are useless and very bad fit into the concept of action RPG such as this.

Who is using SB for anything but 1v1 or fun? With LB The ‘burst’ you can get from the AOE and then the rapid shot is far better than anything SB can do.

I really don’t see those number adding up, unless you are a SB BM, imo, you should be stacking for crit and crit damage, more so for SB where it’s really just AA damage. If you go skirmish this is exactly what you get. I haven’t done a test, though, so it’s just my opinion, with regard to the beast dps.

As I said, SB is a bit poor. Good for PvP small fights, and a change from LB, but maybe reduce range, buff damage or add some AOE to it. People seem to not notice the Thief SB has a draw time where as the Rangers does not. Plus the Theifs AOE Bomb has a travel time, not that accurate against a fast moving target.

Anyway, these are just observations and my opinions, I think people need to see the classes as an entirety and not just what skill 1 does in comparison to another skill 1. Traps are great in many situations though they need more variety imo. The elite root skill is amazing in conjunction with other AOE skills.

I think with any good MMO it’s about how you combine all the options and skills free to you to create something powerful, this is why we see so many cases of some people seeing crap while others see gold.

Nayru.4537:

nldixon.8514:

Nayru.4537:

Edit: If you’re playing Ranger because they use bows; Thieves shortbow is better and Warriors longbow is better than Rangers.

Uh, wrong. The Warrior longbow sucks except for the AoE fire field combo. It only has 900 range. Not better than the Ranger longbow AT ALL.

Actually there is an adept warrior trait that makes Longbow range 1200. What now?

There’s one for ranger that turns it to 1,500…

I have no idea, maybe they expect to kill things in 2 skills from 1,500. Which is often the expectation case with Archer classes..pretty much any MMO on the market you will see the same.

Have to say the QQ’s on this forum are the same generic QQ’s to be found on many MMO boards..

My mage is squishy,
Thief kills me from burst,
Tank healer is OP,
Archer is broken,
Warrior is op/kittened (often both cases at once),
Utility class (engineer here) is unfinished.

Where does this talk of pets doing 45% of ranger dps come from? Lol. It wouldn’t even be that much if you were just on auto attack.

I do not even see much of an issue with pets, they are far more responsive than in other titles.

My biggest suggestion would be to buff up a single skill in SB, maybe some AOE, because in long group pve fights its pretty dull. Thief SB puts it to shame apart from rangers AA speed. A melee closer would b good too, I know the Gs has one and you can trait for the speed buff when you switch in combat but I feel it would make melee that little bit more viable for more players.

I don’t feel any of those would be op at all, I could be wrong.

Also, some of the slot skills are very poor, 20% chances are not that useful, nor is a 10% speed buff, some of the elite summon skills timers are way too long also, imo. Also, more variety in traps and possibly more trap based traits?

I do not feel our DPS is that bad (considering our CC and CD’s) once you build for it and know how to chain attacks. We have one of the largest and fastest to cast rAOE’s in the game, plus it cc’s too, stop crying, really.

This all reminds me of WAR’s shadow warrior, which was a far far inferior class, many QQ’ed it was terrible, it was poor compared to it’s opposite but could be devastating in the correct hands.

I think many crying about the ranger so much should try ele and other classes.

Shortbow or Longbow + Sword and Torch. Torch drop is too good not to have in combination with the elite root, then use longbow skill 5, dead stuff everywhere.

What? It seems fine to me, elite aoe root, torch drop aoe, shortbow bounce back. Pets can stun, knockdown, cripple and slow skill use.

Sounds like user error to me.