Guild Wars 2

The floor is lava, fallen masks, shooting gallery, haywire punch-o-matic battle, sanctum scrample and scrap rifle field test all need more time. Not much, just a little. For example, I always end up with 20-21 in fallen masks, so maybe half a minute more time would be good?

I’m copying this directly from reddit.

Is this matter really that important to you? You have gone to a tremendous effort to prove your arguments correct. And starting to patronize me simply because we don’t see eye to eye…

When we talk about explorable areas in Tarnished Coast in GW, the only place you can find destroyers is the hive in Riven Earth. That means all the story missions that involve destroyers were there temporarily for a short duration, before being culled down. The fact that you emphasize on telling me that the destroyers have breached on multiple locations “They had definitely breached the surface – and had done so across Tyria.” can be interpreted as “overrun”.

“— however, since the book says as of this writing, meaning “presently” and not “in the past, 250 years ago”. And with the mention of Kralkatorrik it could be no more than 5 years old, and we know that the destroyers were heavily active 5 year ago. You presume that the location looks today exactly as it did 250 years ago, when a tsunami had already covered the area."

Then let’s look at the Tarnished Coast today, in GW2. Again, it’s not a very swampy place, but you presume that it was so, 5 years ago. It has been over 100 years since Zhaitan rose and caused the tsunami. You have emphasized the fact that the Destroyer of Life was in the Magus Stones. The last time I checked, it was mostly mountains with a river passing throught it. If the area near Rata Sum, the Metrica Province, The Grove and Caledon Forest don’t look like swamps, but jungles, how can you argue that the small area between them is a swamp, especially considering that it was not so in GW, even though the very same tsunami also hit those areas. Again, in GW2, it’s called “Maguuma Jungle” for a reason, not “Maguuma Wetlands”. Magus Stones, the map as a whole, is the area that today, in GW2, makes up the map of Rata Sum with all the labs, docks, dams etc. The destroyers closest to Rata Sum are found in a small cave in Metrica Province, where they spawn as a part of an event. Besides that, you can’t find destroyers anywhere near the Asuran capital in the game (GW2).

Then, about the Order of Whispers. Another post here mentioned Dorn Velasquez, who has a spanish-sounding name. It doesn’t sound like a Krytan name, Elonian name, Canthan name, Ascalonian name nor even an Orrian name. Maybe, Dorn is from The Wetlands, and as such has imformation regarding the place. He is even reluctant to talk about his past.

“You also completely ignore my last statement, that the wording explicitly states that the destroyers talked about are within Tyria, and as such cannot be in another continent across a vast sea (which is no doubt hindered by the DSD!)”

Tyria is the name of the planet and the continent, so nothing still denies the possibility of them existing outside of the continent Tyria. You sound like a guy who knows his lore, so you of all should have known that. And why would the DSD hinder the destroyers? You too ignored my last part of my post. Destroyers can move underground, so DSD means nothing to them. They simply move under the sea.

@Konig Des Todes (This sea of quotes is impossible to manage)

I have played the original GW, believe it or not. Saying that the destroyers have breached only at one place (G.O.L.E.M site) and claiming that the whole area is overrun with them is like saying that Lornar’s Pass in GW2 is full of destroyers simply because one heart in there involves destroyers breaching to the surface.

Magus Stones is pretty much the the whole area where Rata Sum now resides, so by that logic Primordus and destroyers are directly below Rata Sum. Destroyers show a hive mind like connection, where a strong destroyer controls the lesser ones (like the last boss of EotN story line). So, if the Destiny’s Edge killed the Destroyer of Life, would it not be rational to assume that the remaining destroyers would have become mindless, incapable of systematic destruction? And looking at Riven Earth, yes, there’s the destroyer hive in there, the one from the G.O.L.E.M mission, but it’s simply a point where they have breached to the surface, not spread out to the surrounding area.

Nothing claims that the Durmand Priory wrote that book. It’s located in a library in DR that is simply run by Durmand Priory. Besides, Durmand Priory collects books about, well, anything from anyone. The main library includes lots of books, and not all of them are written by the Durmand Priory.

Wetlands is, in general, a wet place, as the name tells. Tarnished coast apart from Arbor Bay is not a swampy, wet place. It’s a jungle. And besides, what could possibly deny that the destroyers (or other dragon minions) don’t exist outside of Tyria? They are not limited by mountains or seas.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

As I said on the Reddit thread of the same topic, the book refers to the invasion by the Destroyer of Life seen during Edge of Destiny.

The book also says “the wetlands” not “The Wetlands”. Proper versus non-proper noun. The name of the place the destroyers were showing up was not called The Wetlands. Their geography is just of wetlands. Which is Alcazia Tangle.

Edit: also, given how they decided to squeeze Mordremoth in the map rather than extend it, that A net will be keeping us in continental Tyria for as long as possible.

Edit2: Furthermore, the book was written after Kralkatorrik rose. Tyria has had no external contact for a century before the book was written. It is impossible for the writer to know what is happening in the largely unknown Sunrise Crest.

I’ll post the same thing that I posted on reddit here too:

I haven’t read the books so I didn’t know that. But remember that the Asuras were driven from their underground cities by the destroyers, but apart from some story missions (like the one you mentioned), they didn’t appear on the surface at all.

And regarding the wetlands, there was a river running through Alcazia Tangle, but apart from it that area wasn’t very swampy, cf. it to Arbor bay were the Pale Tree resides.

Edit 1: If the Order of Whispers still maintains connections to Elona in GW2, why not to other areas? It’s completely possible that the book was written by a member of the Order of Whispers.

Edit: I’m editing this post to clarify some things.

When LW season 2 episode 5 was released, the map of the planet Tyria was shown to us as a part of the carpet in Durmand Priory’s secret library. There was an area called “The Wetlands” west of Tyria. I happened to stumble upon a book about the Elder Dragons in DR’s Durmand Hall, saying that “Primordus rules over fire. As of this writing, his minions, known as destroyers, plague the wetlands in the southwest of Tyria”. This “wetlands” is not directly southwest of the continent Tyria, but there is a major city in the southern parts of The Wetlands, marked in the map with LA, Kaineng, Kamadan, The Battle Islands and some other major city. Of course, this wetlands could refer to Tarnished Coast, but apart from some story missions and the one hive in Riven Earth in GW, they weren’t really active in there. And in GW2, pretty much the only place you can find destroyers is in a small cave as a part of an event in Metrica Province.

Wikipedia describes wetlands as such: A wetland is a land area that is saturated with water, either permanently or seasonally, such that it takes on the characteristics of a distinct ecosystem. The primary factor that distinguishes wetlands from other land forms or water bodies is the characteristic vegetation of aquatic plants, adapted to the unique hydric soil. Wetlands are also considered the most biologically diverse of all ecosystems, serving as home to a wide range of plant and animal life. Wetlands occur naturally on every continent except Antarctica. Now, this doesn’t really match how Maguuma Jungle is portrayed in the game. Of course, there are marshes, swamps and fens (or, wetlands) within the Maguuma Jungle, but they are mainly just sub-ecosystems within the jungle ecosystem.

Also, Aaron Ansari made a valid point further down in the discussion about the asuran gates. Asuras had built their gates in many different places, even into some remote and far-flung places away from the Tarnished Coast, like in the Woodland Cascades and in the Far Shiverpeaks. Nothing prevents the possibility that they had built gates outside of Tyria, as Asuras lived and moved underground, so they could have just went under the sea to The Wetlands. The destroyers were seen utilizing these gates in the original Guild Wars to move around.

So, could this mean we’ll get to explore a whole new continent in the future?

Oyranos.9750:

Are you sure??? about the meaning of “certain”

certain is securus in latin. Also even if latin is very near to ancient hellenic my mother language, the word certain-securus is not originated by us. We have the word Banjo or Bainw and today we have Bebaios in modern greek. (the forum does not support hellenic letters, so I cannot type you the originals, that is why I did in latin form)

Latin is a mixture of arabic, babylonians, ancient hellenic and many more… The word securus entered my language vocabulary during dark ages (as ’sigouros"… We had Benjw or Bainw instead (means, i am certain moving forwrd)… it gives a movement forward…

I search in latin vocabulary what RATA means and it gives me nothing, only relative words like rats…

here is one link https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ratus#Latin

The very link that you provided mentions that “ratus” means “certain”. Look below in the adjective section for it. “Rat” on the other hand, is “rattus” in Latin. People tend to mix words like that when speaking Latin. Another very common example is that people expect “malus” to mean bad in Latin, even though it means “apple tree”. “Male” is “bad” in Latin.

But since Latin is an old language, it has a smaller vocabulary than most modern languages. Hence why some words have multiple translations

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Odeboy.1243:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Do they speak Latin in Tyria, like, at all? It’s news to me if they do.

GW has a lot of Latin influenced stuff: Charr have Latin influenced names as well as the titans in GW1. Some of the elder dragons’ names (like Primordus, from primordium, meaning “the origin”) are taken from Latin. Asuras have that too, like Rata Sum and some golem names (m.o.x, v.o.x, n.o.x).

I’m not saying that Tyrians speak Latin, but the games have a lot of Latin words in them.

No doubt.

But that doesn’t mean Rata Novus is more than glancingly Latin. At best it’s probably only “Latin flavored”

Indeed. It’s not game breaking or anything, just makes me sigh when I’m playing in tangled depths and the notices about meta event’s progress pops up.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Do they speak Latin in Tyria, like, at all? It’s news to me if they do.

GW has a lot of Latin influenced stuff: Charr have Latin influenced names as well as the titans in GW1. Some of the elder dragons’ names (like Primordus, from primordium, meaning “the origin”) are taken from Latin. Asuras have that too, like Rata Sum and some golem names (m.o.x, v.o.x, n.o.x).

I’m not saying that Tyrians speak Latin, but the games have a lot of Latin words in them.

As the topic says it, Rata Novus is wrong: it should either be Rata Nova or Ratus Novus. Rata and novus are both Latin words. “Rata” means “certain / established”, and “novus” means “new” (for reference, “Rata Sum” means “I am certain”). Rata Sum works because rata is an adjective and sum is a verb. However, rata and novus are both adjectives, and thus should use the same endings -a or -us.

Now, according to the wiki, Rata Novus is an anagram for “our savant” and Rata Sum for “mursaat”, But from what I’ve heard, Anet hasn’t confirmed this. So I think that Ratae Novi name should be fixed as it sounds disharmonious.

Here’s my thief. I like less revealing clothing on female characters.

Arikyali.5804:

Nice concept, needs tweaking.

Price of being nice. I pay 2g out of my pocket, help a group of people get the champion’s key, but get attacked in the process by insensitive trigger happy morons. Had to spend a revive orb just to get my loot, only to get attacked again, where I can do nothing to fight back. And the people who want to help me, can’t do kitten.

…Really? Come on. If people are going to get attacked, let them fight back. There’s no fun in being nice, helping others, only to end up getting bullied. Partly can’t blame them if they didn’t know any better, and after I vent I guess I can forgive them (just a game after all). And if they got a kick out of it, well…their low self-esteem explains it.

Anet, please. Fix this so some other unfortunate player doesn’t go through the same issue. After this, I just feel a lot less compelled to be nice and helpful to others.

That same happened to me. Helped some people who were about to die from the spike traps and after that 5 player characters were ganking me.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

GW takes names from a lot of cultures. Jormag and most norn stuff are named after Norse cultures. A lot of charr is taken from Roman, Greek, and Mongolian culture.

More than just the abrahamic.

The DSD is likely to share a theme with anything that may have inspired parts of quaggan or krait cultures.

Very true. My suggestions were based on the other Elder Dragons, from which only Jormag has nordic name (probably Jörmungandr, the world serpent). Kralkatorrik’s name’s origin is a mystery for me.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

I appear to be missing something. Abaddon changed into Steve?

Some have speculated that the human Six Gods were, in fact, the Elder Dragons. After all, Arah was build on top of Zhaitan.

Nobody really knows the name of the last, 6th dragon, or Deep Sea Dragon. People generally just refer to it as Bubbles or Steve, now after we know that its name starts with the letter “S”. So, taken that GW has a lot of names which refer to Abrahamic religions, especially Judaism (Abaddon means either one of hell’s parts or “Angel of the abyss”. In Gnosticism (one of Christianity’s early versions) Abaddon is the Devil himself. Zhaitan resembles Islam’s version of the Devil, “Shaitan”. Seraphs are 6-winged angels that circle around Yahweh’s (Jahve’s) throne is Judaism, and in Christianity they are the archangels. Ascalón (also Ashkelon) is a real city in Israel and so on…) or Latin, especially the Elder Dragons (Primordus which means something like “The Beginning” (primordium) or “First Disease” (primus morbus). Mordremoth could refer to death (mors, more precisely its accusative form mortem) or then it means something like “To Bite, The Biter” (Mordere)) I decided to list some possible names for Bubbles / Steve inspired by that.

So, here are some possible name suggestions for Bubbles / Steve:

-Shamir (A giant worm that carved the first temple of Jerusalem. Makes sense because it was a giant worm, and maybe Bubbles resembles a sea serpent like dragon?)
-Samael (the archangel of death who is sometimes described as a daemon.)
-Shedim (Daemons that have said to been descendants of sea serpents.)
-Sulak (Devil of the bathroom Makes sense since bathrooms have water in them.)
-Saepimentum (Latin word for an “obstacle, barrier”. Bubbles did prevent all sea traffic between Tyria, Elona and Cantha, so makes sense.)
-Salum (Latin word for “water’s surface”.)
-Sinuare (Latin word for “to twist”. Also refers to “sinuous, twisting”. If Bubbles is a sea serpent, it would make sense that it moves by twisting its body, like a sea snake.)
-Spuma (Latin word for “foam, froth”.)
-Submarinus (Latin word for “underwater”.)

Well, those are just a couple of suggestions that came to my mind. If you have any other ideas, please share them so that we can finally solve the mystery behind Bubbles’ real name