Guild Wars 2

Zepolak.2095:

If you really want it, I think it’s do-able to find the exact dates of everything, maybe build a graph, and you’ll see that the flow of events is coincidental.

I very well remember that week. People on VS were quite depressed, we saw that Anet opened the free transfers to SFR which was expected to be even worse for us (we were expecting to see an even higher coverage from both Deso and SFR, while we were already failing to win at night & morning). And nearly all the commanders were on their knees. Actually, at that time, the “new” Vizunians (LNM, among others) did a huge contribution but they were starting to burn as well.

Troma saw this and did a last of the last CTA. I think it was supposed to be the last one like “hey we did what we could but it’s the end”. I really was thinking it was desperate. I think part of the purpose was to be able to have a basis on which we would re-build. With the “we never give up” spirit.

We were no aware SFR was actually having problems with pugs instead of being reinforced by them. There were some rumors (basically the posts on the official thread), but I was thinking (and many with me) that it was some kind of strange propaganda.

Intention was to save VS, nothing more, nothing less, and I was thinking it was a lost cause.

I swear, as well, that it was my perspective.

As for the present situation, /sigh…

I would also add that the week before the CTA we were outnumbered on every map from the reset, every night of this week our multimap did not exceed 10 players against SFR/Deso zergblob.

Caliban.3176:

Troma, I have great respect for you and the things you have done but this is far from what I remember. You can easily look up some of the old match-up threads and see that I wasn’t alone in that.

When SFR came up to T1 (I think it was in december) we were not a real superserver of guilds. We had some really good pug organization and some good guilds to complement that. The first time I saw 1 Vizunian, he had at least 40 of his closest friends with him. (This was when culling was still a thing so we had to run circles around them to try and count). This kept up for several weeks, the only Vizunians we saw had huge numbers with them or were running away from us. Vizunah Square will forever be the best server at playing the WvW game but that does not mean they are the most fun to play against nor that they did not zerg before it became popular.

Saying that the huge blobs and zergs were only a counter to the second coming of SFR is a blatant lie. I read most of this matchup thread still but usually I refrain from posting. However I could not let this go without saying anything, especially since I have come to expect better from Troma.

I’ll go lurk some more now.

3 primetimes a day (NA/EU/RU) and not a superserver… are you kidding me ?

Ins.7139:

Jon Snow.6780:

Zerg is boring for you ? so stop zerg and maybe everybody will do the same (even if i douybt about it, unfortunatly

I lolled…again.

1 NA guild completely crushed your nightcapping Can…..ooh sorry,you have no Canadians#cough cough# zerg,and the will to fight within a week,because you lost your advantage(massive ppt at night),and now you….number1 zerg server.. are telling people what to do?
You guys practically invented 24/7 zerging on Euro T1…..out of ambition and the sake of the win.
And now it killed Euro T1,because nobody wants to come out and play.
Nothing you say,nothing you do will change the way a lot of people are looking at VZ right now,right or wrong : the server that killed the fun,their own also, and other servers, and they all want to drop and those in lower tiers dont want to go up……killed by ambition,don`t you think?
Ambition can do that,as we all see right now.

A common misconception is VS blobbed to win, they didn’t. When i very first fought them in T1 they had many guild groups running around doing their own thing and the usual pug groups. They suffered what all the superservers have and people bandwagoned there, most the guilds left and they were left with a PUG force against superserver guild groups. If i was getting farmed all night long i’d blob up to stand a chance and get some lootbags

Instead of crashing and burning they took a step back and took time to organise their PUGs. Every superserver that hit them only made them more co-ordinated and more organised after that and now they are a well oiled war machine that can hold their own and works perfectly using ingame mechanics anet designed. They didn’t create the meta or use lowly tactics to win, that was our doing when we would farm them all night

To VS this morning in EB thanks for the 2 organised fights and kitten to you Zilly you lil git, i’ll get ya next time :P

Oh my gosh, 6 months later, finally someone smart who understood what we said from the beginning. <3

Sega Mega Dave.4195:

You have to love Viz.

I have never seen a server lacking so many poor players. They need at least a 3 to 1 advantage to not get wiped out, I’ve seen them call the help of a zerg against a handful of players.

Add to that they run away and hide in towers until they have the huge ball of lag along with them. Truly awful players.

They then spend all night capturing on an empty server so they can upgrade everything ready for the following day.

Pathetic but you only have to look at who they are to see why they do this.

I mean really do you find this fun? If so you really must be some of the most boring people on the planet.

Pathetic and they are happy to ruin the tier for the sake of a win.

Anyway I look forward to seeing a group of 30 of them runaway from a group of 15 later.

Why don’t talk about times when our pugs groups have beaten your guilds groups with equal number ?

Everything you said is valid for you too at some times, it works in both way.
The only difference is that in our difficult times we have not abandoned the match-up loosely for reject the blame on you.

Danielle.3152:

Air.3154:

I wonder tough, is there ANY server out there that can even put up with vizunah? Props to them for handling pugs the awesome way they do, but…as it is now, they’re the most annoying and boring server to play against.
No offence, but it is like that, i don’t see anyone that could have fun with 24/7 presence zergfest roaming around. It’s tiring and impossible to handle. Imo obviously

There is no server atm that can match up to Vizunah Square, it takes a lot of effort to create the coverage and presence on a ‘superserver’ to beat Vizunah and the reward for the people who do it is lots of sieging, skill lag in fighting against blobs and having to play at ridiculous times. The only other good thing there is, is the 24/7 action at basically any time and denying Vizunah the golden medal pixel they are so used to.

I don’t foresee Vizunah getting challenged anywhere in the near future, the only things that could make their matchup close in the future would be:

1) Elona becoming more stacked and organised
2) Some of the Viz core transferring to Jade Sea to try and defeat what they have built.
3) Action in lower tiers dries up completely, so the people looking for fights have to go against a very highly populated server like Vizunah to find enemies.
4) A new superserver might arise again over time for whatever reason.
5) Some huge US guilds decide they want to play PvDoor in EU.

6) Create a stable community on a server from SFR/Deso??.

Truebanana.5936:

That’s why i said “i was on Arborstone” on your quote. Even in October they were fighting like they are doing now, but with culling and as i said, it’s not because of SFR, it’s only an excuse.

This is not comparable. The blobbing has been played a totally different and sporadic manner for a strong impact during a major attack, then the 3, 4 med groups splitted again each on their side. The famous VS tactics of double or triple attacks are not a legend, you remember ?

Unfortunately this has changed when the massive starcruisers arrived in T1 with their huge NA guild (400+ guildies, 60+ on the screen, pre culling fix…) playing the monoblob for roaming. It’s at this time that the monoblob has become the main element of T1 tactics. After the drop of SFR v.1 VS was beginning to replay with multi groups. You know the story rest of SFR v.2.

Truebanana.5936:

I was on Arborstone and i’m on SFR since mid January.

What he is talking about goes back much further than mid-January.

Truebanana.5936:

Exept for FM, they are no guild who did run by itself with a “20-25 players group” and a few pugs following in the past on Vizunah, it’s not because of SFR or any other server. The only difference is that with the end of culling, we can see the whole blob.

You migrated recently on SFR, you don’t know what you’re talking about…

Terrahero.9358:

The system they are using is to complicated and should be made much simpler. Winner goes up, loser goes down. Which creates a much more dynamic flow through tiers, which isnt a bad thing. As it also means the tiers reflect changes within servers (ppl leave, new wvw guilds join, etc) much more accurately.

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laquito.5269:

The Frenchies on Vizunah simply need to spread towards the other French servers. I guess its clear to all of us that Viz is the most crowded and active WvW server in whole EU, so by making Viz lose players the T1 would balance itself et voila, you got your fancy T1 matchup. Make them transfer to other servers, I don’t even get how they can regularly bear queues of 3 hours, whereas every other server in T1/T2 almost never have queues and if they have it’s like 1 hour max. This would certainly influence the whole EU ladder, so that we might get new matchups.

This is not quite exact.
5 weeks ago, when SFR/Deso ??were still in full form, VS was close to drop in T2.
If we lead with 350K atm it’s because SFR/Deso ??have abandoned the match-up suddenly, and this at the same time as the school holidays in France which spread out on 4 weeks.

Anyway, the biggest mistake of ArenaNet was the free transfers for 6 months …
There are very few servers that were able to created a stable community during this period because of this.

Ins.7139:

every server is quick to say how bad vs are

Fix: Same people on their new server = “every server”. :-P

Glenn.3417:

Viz during prime time:

Flattering screenshot , first income without EB, thanks dude.

Timpsu.9324:

I wish that either we soon get a server that can match Vizunah’s coverage, or ANet starts to make changes to scoring system, for example emphasizing the point count on primetime and reducing the emphasis on more quiet hours. Too much domination isn’t good for meta.

SFR had twice a much better coverage and number than Vizunah but they failed each time. That would have no impact in the long term with the current WvW mentality.

Yoke.4671:

VS has been a plague since last august, Its the biggest flaw/off-put of tier1 and the reason so many guilds/players have left Tier1 for greener pastures. VS can say what they want about Anet and the way WvW is, I’m not going to say they are wrong, this aint about right or wrong. This is about one server pretty much ruining wvw for everyone else regardless if they are right/have the right to do it.

Id feel a little bit ashamed if I was a VS citizen right now to be honest. Its a shame Anet cant create a new tier just for VS, split it up into 3 thirds and they can fight each other in blobs. And let the rest of the servers have a somewhat fair fight most weeks. Its the way of life in alot of things, one person always has to spoil the fun, kitten shame.

A guy who overtake two people stopped for drink during a marathon should be ashamed ?

Offski.4897:

You don’t have a timezone advantage but a large group of your players get up at 6 am everyday to pvd for 8-10 hours. As has been said previously this is not against the rules, the issue is that Viz wins the match ups by this strategy.

You have not yet understood that:
1/ We are in holidays period.
2/ Both servers have abandoned, we have no resistance from them.

Wispy.8679:

Kindly read the whole sentence next time, I said there was nothing wrong with that and as Visunah is a majority of pug server who are just playing according to whatever the timezone they live in, it is hardly their fault.

zZZ… national server can have timezone advantage ? You believe it seriously ?
Do we have RU & NA players like you ?

Wispy.8679:

We all know about how Visunah conventionally plays, using numbers or time zone to its advantage

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

Troma ask from people from your server to take 5 or 6 screenshots, at different hour of day in different maps. Now analyze the pictures. Can you see any pattern? No? Look closely to guild tags…
Yes, you found it, so many different ones.
Let’s do some GvPUG!!! Yey !!!

It’s weird, this is not about it that you have taunted/bashed Vizunah for months because we didn’t want PugVSGuild ?
And now that you are in our situation you make it an excuse ?

Aneu.1748:

“they are making the game absolutley boring by night-capping”

Yes, then you guys should talk less bullkitten and play more, because if you have abandoned, this is not our case.
And i have not seen a such speech from you two weeks ago when Vizunah was in a bad way like you atm and Desolation with an income of 400+ every nights.
It has become a habit with you guys (Deso & SFR), when you win everything/everybody is perfect and when you lose everything/everybody sucks.

Darkman.1257:

I’m reading this and reading and reading and all I can say to you all. Seafarer’s Rest’s community is greater than any other. We will prevail, we will overcome any obstacles. Reading most of the whining comments is sad. We will fight for our server and our community till the end. I’m glad to see we’ve inspired Vizunah enough to unite your community again. Stop saying Desolation is “teaming up” with Vizunah. Desolation has always been “survivors” their server can’t do anything alone so they use opportunities to backstab. They always focus the server that is currently at a disadvantage. Oportunists.

You think SFR will fall ? next Blacktide ? Stop kidding yourselves.

We will unite, we will find solutions, we will overcome the situation, we will come back to the battlefield every day, every hour, every minute. We will fight you to the end and nothing is going to change that. Nothing both of your servers can do to break us. You can team up or “use opportunities” as much as you want.

We do not make pacts.
In the end. We will win because we’re SFR

Hail SFR Alliance and it’s great community !

See you on the battlefield.

Troma is copyrighted.
Find another way SFR.

So many contradictions SFR… it’s funny.
Can you explain to me how a server can complain about something that they have done themselves for weeks ?
Already forgotten this: http://hpics.li/4131cf3 / http://hpics.li/9e6808d ?
And this night like many others with a hard double focus for a weeks: http://hpics.li/a1fae11 SFR has offered our full quarter to Deso 30 minutes after the capture of Valley.

I can’t imagine what was the exact number of SFR v1, when we could see their blob of 70+ PRX &co WITH culling.

Truebanakitten936:

All NA server exept 3 of them are at Very High. It’s time for them to come in EU if what you said is true

Oh, what ? SFR galley to push VS out of T1 ? lol.

DarkieDuck.9521:

This guy is my new hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xd0zfyEqrU

Anyway , great matchup this has been.
Thank you all

Haha thanks dude, this foam puppet… i laughed so hard that i have a headache.

Domo.7618:

Ive seen this (so called)“tactic” o_O not the first time by Vizunah, and its one of the main ressons why I disrespekt Vizunah. They always go the way with the least resistance and talking about “fair fights”…

That’s right. Why make complicated when it’s sufficient to make a /dance ?
http://hpics.li/637058e
http://hpics.li/7a3909f

graverr.6473:

I have seen quite a few hackers on many servers and i only missed two of these but never have i seen open field hacking like on visunah.

Obviously you were not on or against SFR v1, none did better than you so far.

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When piken joined tier 2 the 20-25 man raid was how the server rolled despite it’s coverage they found both JS and SFR did a fair bit of holding hands the explanation given was they had merely learned and adapted from experience fighting Viz in tier 1 you set the standard of play for anyone competing in tier 1 and now you despise the very monster you created.

You’re wrong.
It’s Vizunah that learned and adapted from SFR, we were forced to do it for survive when they came in T1 playing only monozerg of 60+ guildies.
I must admit that i miss our former gameplay … multi raids of 15-25 was much more fun and tactic.

omphin.1752:

Vizunah is breaking cause SFR is just too strong for you.

Yeah, so strong while the WvW has no interest for nobody at the moment, except for SFR, always looking for the Grail and revenge for their previous humiliations. Nobody will remember this victory.

But don’t cry victory too soon, the road is still long to dethrone us:

Aneu.1748:

You can quite easily check the PPT on that very nifty french website that shows Vizunah’s low PPT during european prime time and also your huge PPT advantage in early mornings for quite a while now. How is this a form of propaganda? Its fact…

Update is not regular in our primetime (21h – 23/00h).
2013-03-13 07:10:15 103 429 +320
?
2013-03-12 20:42:44 89 219 +155
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2013-03-11 01:39:28 51 136 +105
?
2013-03-10 21:30:33 47 105 +190
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2013-03-09 23:04:21 24 388 +235
?
2013-03-09 16:30:02 15 910 +230

Unfortunately it does not show this every days:
http://hpics.li/cc9d8e8 22:24.

satkis.7021:

I just want to see how they do in t1 now when there’s actually some competition. I mean, it is known that vs was superior due to morning hours and now when they actually are facing some competition in their “primetime” their morale has suddenly dropped..

SFR v.1 was much more difficult that currently (my opinion, i saw that Troma had not the same), NA/RU/UE primetimes a day, H24 monozerg of 60+ players etc… our organization was perfect but we have lost a lot of energy to beat them 4 times of 7, and finally we stayed in T1 unlike them.
Now it’s just that people are tired of the 3W since some time and are awaiting the next patch.

Congratulations for the win SFR. Fair match-up, for the first time you’ve deserved it.

Slyche.3786:

What do you mean you were surprised? You were ticking +500 almost every morning.

And you the same every afternoon.

Queue bugged again ?
9pm CET, we are 35 on our homemap vs 80+ SFR. ôO

I’d prefer to be beaten by a server that uses the alarm clock, that shows a true dedication rather than by a server that uses a NA guild of 400 members to do the job.
After each war some things remain. For us it is the night crew. Don’t blame us for something that was set up because of yourself.

Very nice income the whole night/morning SFR, wave of layoffs for your players ?
Well played for the harassment on our map this morning.

ilmau.9781:

Truebanana.5936:

Not because of superior strategy, but timezone coverage. Exept if you count 4am to 12 against doors a superior strategy. But as you said “maybe” but not :p

++++++++1

no pvd no party.

this is VZ borderland right now, primetime

http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/3075931/pics/original/1512065.jpg

Yet the incomes is equals. This means that your homemap looks like the same thing no ?
Edit: VS:265 – SFR:235 atm… too bad for your futile & free troll.

tagnut.8621:

Every other server thats been in T1 has commented that, skillwise, viz is the weakest t1 server

Maybe because we are the only one mainly pugs ?
But we are better at the overall skill, devotion for our server and objectives (no no dude, this is not bags), that’s why we are still in T1 despite your ex-PvD superbagsfarmers.

Johndoe.4215:

U can say thx to GC and theirs hugs with Elona.

Yeah, while it’s thanks to GC that SFR is in T1 this week…
Don’t confuse a simple focus the last day with an alliance from the beginning of week.
But anyway this is not the first time, do you remember: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/17 ?

Once again, we see all the credibility of SFR & Deso. Remind me who are pathetic ?

Junkpile.7439:

Good thing zoom hack or treb in safe zone isn’t ugly exploit, otherwise this message would be very embarrassing.

Your memory is very short.
Hill reseted by exploit many time a day, reinforced door destroy in 2 minutes by 3 players without siege so that we had to hide the record to prevent the spread of the worst exploit ever seen in WvW.
I continue ?

Benjamin.7893:

Pretty sad of Elona to accept help to stay in a tier they don’t belong in.

Funny from a server that has benefited of NA, bandwagon/jumper, ugly exploits & alliance.

Wolbryne.4037:

vs opening our gates and letting elona cap them. it’s pathetic really. the only word that comes to mind is “pathetic”.

Pathetic like your alliance with SFR at the beginning of the week 02 ?

Moxtidus.4576:

You are affraid by unfair play of SFR and you react by playing unfair ?

We are very far from your achievements, you’re still #1, don’t worry !

We’re not afraid of SFR. We’re afraid the unfair play of SFR.
Anyway this week will be off for us. That’s why we are trying to win a week before the “Vizunahs biggest test”.

I agree.
I’m only play thief and i think that the revealed debuff should have a increased cooldown after 2 uses of stealth in the same fight in WvW.

Offski.4897:

I have also noticed vizunah coming out of your keeps to fight far more in recent times, which makes things more fun.

It’s easier when you don’t have a monozerg 60+ guildies who are just waiting to make bags against pugs.

Zoom hack increases the FoV, not the effective range. There was another arrow cart, in the zerg or against the door.
http://hpics.li/e2c4371

MagnusLL.8473:

username.4932:

The important thing is that you believe what you said.

I don’t need to believe it, I’ve observed it with my eyes. Vizunah has hundreds of players in the WvW maps on a true 24/7 basis, hence why they can simply alarm-clock at whatever time they know the opponent server has the least amount of players online; the other servers can’t do that to Vizunah because such a time window does not exist for them.

Unless you want to keep claiming that myth about 20 players, but I never believed it in the first place and then one night (and then another, and then another… and several mornings too…) I got to see 40-men Vizunah zergs in the BL I was playing in while EB was in an even 3-way split. Then I started insta-jumping between the other 2 BLs, and on all of them it was my server, not Vizunah, to have the outmanned buff…

Our night and morning crew rarely exceeds 40 players for all borderlands, always the same players. If you do not want to believe it, too bad. This proves that our organization is good.
But don’t be defeatist, we still need to work hard to reach your former level: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15/7 –

Dyno.9467:

Every time ive seen VS lose they always slate the other team ive never seen you congratulate any other server for beating you (SFR, Blacktide, Desolation)

Congratulate bandwagons servers to have defeated us with NA players and massive use of real exploit bug for one of them ? (i swear you that a destroyable trebuchet in safe zone is a cute exploit beside to what we saw against them).
It is now that the servers must prove their true value.

Quentin Fields.1295:

Maybe in next weeks we will drop down to T2 and any other guild will come up and will see what we are talking about here.IF Anet won’t starts acting and fix that crap out of course…

When it happens , i would like to see all those almighty Vizunah forum warriors that are blaming Deso for lying/whining/crying/raging.

So good luck, you will know the true exploitbug, mesmer teleport into the hill, breaking a renforced door in 2 minutes with 3 players in autoattack etc…, it will be more fun than a destroyable trebuchet in safe zone.

Anyway i disapprove all forms of exploiting. But what would you do against one of your pug ?

Dyno.9467:

how many do VS have on each map from 11 pm – 6 am?

ashlenty.9358:

TBH, VZ night/morning crew is just scout/roam on every maps and 30+zerg “multimapswitch”. No big deal, and every server can make it.

This is the truth that all other servers will not listen because they don’t know do that.

Dyno.9467:

Whats organization got to do with people not being able to play through the night and early morning cause they have to work?

that’s the only reason you caught up in points. We dont have enough players at them times to play

You have certainly more players than us. But i think you have no organization at night, so they prefer to do something else rather than struggle against a organized night crew.

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

No excuses, you win this setup because you have players on from 5am-till 11 am.
We dont have the numbers in that time.

The result of that : We get some players on around 12:00. They face T3 keeps and stuff full with supply and arrowcarts.

It takes some time to crack that stuff. In the afternoon/evening we are capping it all back. Then the night hits and we stay close together. Oure night shift goes to bed….

40 VZ with 8 golems rush everything. They upgrade all and we start over again.
Points VZ 500+, DESO and ER around-30 -50 points a tick.

Conclusion, u are winning when nobody is there to fight you.

We had a discussion in oure TS about the most spoken word of oure commanders..
You know what won?

They are running.

“I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto – Pearl Harbor.