why do u get offended so easily , ill never understand, we are not accusing ur server
RELAX!!!!
Don’t worry, i do not talk about you.
Yes, PvD at morning since the closure of the free transfer.
There is no more jumpers & NA players, we finally see the true value of former bandwagon servers that accuse us of boring gameplay while they have play only monozerg of 60+ guildies three primetimes a day against national pugs server. :o)
The famous legend about our hebrews french canadians of african origin.
We are so sorry to not give you a fights like RG on a mainly pugs server… Maybe you should move on something else now, and find a solution to beat our 25 night pugs for all borderlands ?
You cannot be helped by NA players this time. As you said yourself, you are by far the most populated server in EU, then mobilize your troops and train them.
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i totally agree there, and that s why we really don t like to play vs VZ
Oh ilmau, funny troll one more time. Two weeks without PRX were psychologically hard for you, i sympathize boy.
For punishment : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGXx56WqqJw
Haaaaa ROFLMAO !
By the way, ER made several trebuchets, ballistas and arrow carts in their supplies tonight !
Thanks for the fight at deso bl for the defender bunker necro and ranger vz players who obsessively defended bay, and the zerg who came help at bay for them. I loved their instant res also at bay. After the fight it seems the dancing VSS guilded vz pl was so proud for himself about that achievement. I have to congrats for him also. It was a fair fight, gj.
Very interesting point that vz can rule most of the maps with only few players and able to cap towers one by one easily at night while our almost all players are occupied on eternal. That was one factor why vz can win. Not just because the numbers they have.—
one from deso
We took your Longview, Cliffside and Garrison on ER BR with 5 ppl, while 15 of you tried to take our Bay against 5 defenders during 2 hours, without success.
Maybe you should reconsider your priorities ? But anyway, you had an upper income until 6am.
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Give Vizu a brake, recruit some NA guilds and counter their nightcapping
Stop thinking like that… NA NA NA NA… it’s the EU ladder here… why recruit NA ?
It was them who caused your loss, well as for the others server. Recrut some enduring EU night pugs/guilds, it’ll be better for you and for us.
Especially as we don’t have NA whereas we have the encumbrance of being tag “FR”, yet we have done since the beginning what you should have done also.
You’ve chosen the ease, you pay now the consequences just like your predecessors.
we will see where they end up
Where were you the last months ?
Come to ur all sences, loose ur pride about not willing to team with like Elona /Deso.
Current situations against Vizunah simply asks for it, there is no reason at all why we should not!
Even if we would do so it will be hard, since mentioned servers dont even have half the ppl online during offtime hours but still its worth a try.PPl do get demoralized, waking up every faking morning and see all “green”
and tier 3.
Every morning we struggle to get even 10 pll to get stuff going.For example last week it took us like 3 hours to finaly make or hommy keep upgraded, so we decided to start trebbing bay. then Elena attacks us with 20 and all work was done for nothing!!!!
Who laughs?…….. Vizunah!!!!!!!!Seriously every WvW player dislikes theire playstyle Elona/Deso/SfR simply all dislike it
So make a faking deal or atleast talk about it next community meeting!Why? Since i sence ppl will ragequit playing against Vizunah or just transfure to lower tiers to have some normal fun again!
Iam just a roamer or pug wot ever u fancy. I dont gief a darn for zerg neither tiers.
But even as a “roaming around pug” I get sick/bored/tiered of Vizunah for reasons all mentioned tons of time.Just me 2 cents.
And yet, this is you and all others servers who jumped in D1 with a big NA guild playing only 60+ monozerg which forced us to adopt this “boring” gameplay.
I miss our former gameplay, and former opponents… :-/
So let me get this straight Faunus:
1) When SFR beat you because we had a night crew and you could not PvD, you cried that it was not fair and insult us
2) Now, when servers are losing because they do not have a night crew anymore, you cry that it is boring for you and insult them again.GG,
Good luck playing with yourselves!
Before: 200 SFR vs 40 VS.
Now: 50 VS vs 0 SFR.
Rather than recruiting a big NA guild unstable on your server and knowing full that would not last forever, maybe you should have recruit the night pugs in the ladderwide.
Unfortunately for you it’s too late.
And i remind you that if we have this night crew today (although we are still far from their number), it’s thanks to you, RUIN and Xaoc. I can only thank you for it.
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VS is unbeatable
for this sole reason.
Hum, we are leading the income all day.
Remember RUIN, Xaoc and PRX matchs-up, night capping was just our biggest weakness.
It would be a good idea, international T0 !
Sea of Sorrows vs. Jade Quarry vs Vizunah Square.
or not, the time zone differences we would be fatal.
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Why bother you in your hide and seek while we do easily points ?
I found them ! http://hpics.li/a12e2cc
They play hide and seek in the EB JP, 15+ SFR with 10+ ER.
You know they cant do anything without a 50 man zerg with them lol! Give em a break dude
I remember your first weeks, you couldn’t do anything without a monozerg 60+.
And now that your main zergs have left your server or took a break, where are you ?
PvDooring and nightcapping is part of the game and I’m not going to complain about that but I find it very weird that you would call this matchup great at the time that you have no opposition. You are thanking us for not being there. That doesn’t display a fighting spirit to me.
We have the woodpecker spirit too , using it when we fight vs guys only want to beat us.
I hope desolation will see they have a card to play for staying on t1 next week.
Let the arrogant sfr fall in abyss. These guys only use cheat and now are crying cause prx cant counter us for themLove you all , thanks for bags loot during this day.
So nr 1 server have to be in alliance to win? ( you really don’t need it) Can’t believe you can so easily manipulate Desolation :-(.
I am loosing respect to them and I had a lot. Not that my respect matters to them anyway ;-).
Why english speaking servers are always against each other? (German and french ones support each other)http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/17
_Anyway, Desolation will not ensure their place in T1 with continuous camping of 10+ players in JP… wake up !
I think you have Desolation confused with SFR. I don’t have time to upload pictures at the moment as I’m getting ready for Work. I know SFR will probably dispute unless I show the evidence, so if they really want proof I can post pictures after work, or they could just admit the volume of siege on their platform constantly bombarding the Desolation one, or the quantity of campers below the platform ready for those who jumped off to avoid the siege…..
2pm: http://hpics.li/288ad94
6pm: http://hpics.li/284e9ee
6pm also: http://hpics.li/47b1c30
But well all the better for us.
International Servers are usally hated because they very often got pushed by a few Guilds that just hot-drop them when things get rough. Blacktide, for example.
You miss one thing, these guilds were not EU native, it’s the main cause of this “hate” against the servers who welcomed them.
PvDooring and nightcapping is part of the game and I’m not going to complain about that but I find it very weird that you would call this matchup great at the time that you have no opposition. You are thanking us for not being there. That doesn’t display a fighting spirit to me.
We have the woodpecker spirit too , using it when we fight vs guys only want to beat us.
I hope desolation will see they have a card to play for staying on t1 next week.
Let the arrogant sfr fall in abyss. These guys only use cheat and now are crying cause prx cant counter us for themLove you all , thanks for bags loot during this day.
So nr 1 server have to be in alliance to win? ( you really don’t need it) Can’t believe you can so easily manipulate Desolation :-(.
I am loosing respect to them and I had a lot. Not that my respect matters to them anyway ;-).
Why english speaking servers are always against each other? (German and french ones support each other)
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/17
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Anyway, Desolation will not ensure their place in T1 with continuous camping of 10+ players in JP… wake up !
Well national server probably can force some players do boring stuff.
Boring stuff yes, because we play for the server, not for individual glory.
Nice battles so far everyone, but something is showing its ugly head as it did last week which is undermining the spirit of competition again….
Could the players responsible for continuing to place siege in spawn areas please stop? You know it should not be allowed there and defending it while being invulnerable is extremely distasteful. Engaging in this activity does not reflect well for the reputation of a server. You know who you are and what you are doing is wrong, so knock it off!
Thanks in advance and see you on the battlefield.
Siege weapons in safe zone are destructible for over two weeks.
The siege may be destructible, but that’s irrelevant!
Their operators and defenders are invulnerable and take great pleasure in raining death down upon vulnerable opponents with AoE’s and arrowcarts as soon as they approach. Try taking down a trebuchet on a ledge with 10-15 invulnerable defenders guarding them.
To me it’s not in the spirit of competition if people resort to using such exploits and foul play in order to win. But we’ll see what ANet has to say about the matter.
I entirely agree with you, but we have to put up with it pending ArenaFix.
And regrettably there are worse than siege in safe zone, keep an eye on SFR.
Nice battles so far everyone, but something is showing its ugly head as it did last week which is undermining the spirit of competition again….
Could the players responsible for continuing to place siege in spawn areas please stop? You know it should not be allowed there and defending it while being invulnerable is extremely distasteful. Engaging in this activity does not reflect well for the reputation of a server. You know who you are and what you are doing is wrong, so knock it off!
Thanks in advance and see you on the battlefield.
Siege weapons in safe zone are destructible for over two weeks.
And at least your forum warriors show some fair play. I’ve never seen a Vizu or Desolation guy begging in here to hit server X because he hates them.
Respect is earned, and you are earning it. You stick to your server and you fight, this is what we like because this is what we do.Cheers from Vizu
I bolded the important part. Now lets get your definition of fight. Is it sitting inside an upgraded tower/keep or is it actually going out onto the field?
We have various videos showing time and again how Vizu fight, so give us your honest definition please.
What does it matter ?
We play fair-play, we are not using spies, exploitbug or NA players. We have various videos showing time and again how SFR fight, and we cannot say the same.
How do you expect us to focus on Vizunah when you SFR are pushing us at the same time, please don’t bother with your maths lesson. If you think we’re going to sit back and let you play fiddle then you’re mistaken. So congrats to you both on putting us were we “deserve” to be. The day will come when VS and Deso put aside our longstanding enmity and put you back where you belong.
Strange as I spent a lot of the afternoon chasing the same failsquad of EXG off SFR owned supply camps whilst viz was ravaging your territory….
Des have always had an overinflated view of their ability -nt as bad as BT mind you. They were truly awful.
Now lets just focus on hating Viz – yet to find a server with anything positive to say about them.
Whereas you are the worst unfair-play ever seen in T1 EU ?
I pity Desolation, they have not yet seen your true face.
Sadly almost all of my guild work for a living, have families, etc so doing ‘nightshifts’ isn’t possible, and the only time we can put together a raid is during ‘primetime’.
It’s at this time you must to gather your pickup, like us.
When, Bandwagon vs Bandwagon may die & World vs World vs World may actually begin.
Hope, with more fairplay if possible.
Looking forward to reset tonight
Hopefully there will be some other servers coming up to t1-t2 soon, because now with Arbor dying Elona and Deso will most likely constantly switch between tier 1 and the weak tier 2
The current situation is not in favor about it. ArenaNet made ??a big mistake because the free migration have completely unbalanced the ladder over time.
But do not forget the
sportsmanship, please.
Five months of disastrous free migration and all problems that this implies for EU ladder and national servers. (massive migration of NA players to make "WvW international easy zerg made servers", server jumping abuses, spy abuses, etc...).
* whistling *
Strength comes in organization and not numbers, but you should be realizing that by how things are turning out for you this week.
The organization is useless when you are fewer than your enemy, that you suffer a double focus, and that one of them helps the second.
Community teamspeak.
I see Qwizz getting this week’s excuses ready for coming..second? or will it be 3rd?
VS had piles of players in all borderlands late last night- I had the outmanned buff on for quite a while and all I usually see of VS is a blob of stealthed players 40-50+ appearing amongst the battle (if it’s in open play then the next thing I usually see is 40-50 dead french if there was more than 20 of us).
SFR has piles of PVE’rs, who also come into wvw and clog up the JP stopping real wvw’rs from getting in, which can be frustrating at peak times.
VS have one guild that can field 40 players in wvw at a time- I saw them all running past last night, so to say VS is mainly pve is rubbish.
VS have good all day coverage like every tier 1 server, if VS were mainly pve like you state then they would never last in wvw as they wouldn’t be able to field full servers for so much of the day.
Last night we were 40 pugs. Not per map, but for all borderlands.
If you find a guild of 40+ players (except VSS which are pugs assembly) on VS like PRX or VoTF, i wear a dunce cap for a week. :P
VS – cause being ridiculous never gets boring.
They run in huge 50 ppl blobs, they have all maps full practically all the time and they still say they’re outmanned, they have worse coverage and less people then others in general.
Come a week on VS judge for yourself and you will realise that what you said is false.
what you forget is that we’re all on the same time zone on our server
we fight the day and the night,
sometimes I go to work with only 2 hours of sleep,PRX arrived and wanted to Vizunah death,
we must fight against the Russians and the Americans, they have a larger coverage range schedule we have.just need to be fair play, but this time we win the coming week is likely to be even harder for us.
2 servers will focus us, it s goal the game.
stay cool and have fun.A misconception is that more time zones = more coverage, but coverage is in conjunction with server population because of the ability to spread players over more hours. VZ = full server. SFR = not full, not very high, not high.. but medium.
SFR is not full but they are dedicated WvW, unlike VS which are mainly PVE.
You have 3 primetimes in the same day versus 1, you have the biggest zergs ever seen in T1 EU, there is nothing else to add.
we used to wipe your 50 man zergs with 30 or less, soo many good fights.
I hope your server is destroyed soon so other more deserving servers can come up to T1 because your play style has turned WvW T1 combat very stale.
Sure, you just had the biggest zerg ever seen in T1, ahead RUIN…
As mentioned above, be worthy of your rank in T1 before saying that.
Does using US guilds
Do you actually think before you post? lol
Hows
Canada
Benin
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Congo, Republic of the
Côte d’Ivoire
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Djibouti
Equatorial Guinea
Gabon
Guinea
Madagascar
Mali
Niger
Rwanda
Senegal
Seychelles
Togo?
We are disappoint and I think its time Vizunah gives its spot to someone else in WvW.
Blablabla, be worthy of your rank in T1 before saying that.
Where will you be when the free transfers will be frozen and culling fixed ?
Why you play at 4am?
What do you expect to me, tell you that i’m french canadian ? (/taunt).
Silly question… considering that we are not multi-timezones server like you (NA-EU/RU), this is the shifted lifestyle of all those who play at that time for reasons of their own.
But seeing as how SFR won twice with number and coverage disadvantages.
Explain it to me ?
http://hpics.li/671dd3a
45 players for all borderlands (+40 EB) at 4am, your players have simply abandoned the battlefield this weekend.
Pro Tips: If your server has “Very Hight” population then it can provide more ppl on WvW during off-peak hours than a “Medium” one. During the NewYear week we were defending our keeps with “Outmanned” buff vs 30-40 ppl VS zergs so many times that I can’t even count them all. NEVER saw “Outmanned” buff on VS though, must be due to all those nice PVE players, right?
You talk about the week you won with advance of 53K ? Outmanned you said ?
This is proof that your theory is wrong about it.
VS – huge numbers but on the whole individually very weak (with the exception of one or two rare players who are very skillful). VS will wait until SFR and ER are fighting each other and then try to steal the win with shear numbers when all the hard work has been done by SFR or ER. SFR are often able to take out VS zergs twice the size in numbers but ER tend to get swamped by VS.
It’s strangely ironic isn’t it ? Because this is precisely what many people think of you, without a single zerg of 50+ ppl (enjoy culling by the way) you can not progress.
Anyway, the holidays periods are absolutely not representative. It’s now that the serious stuff going started.
You are tiring SFR to ignore the problem and turn the conversation to your advantage…
The nightscaping is part of the game, if a server is most populated at night, we can’t do anything about it, and there is nothing to say about that as long as this is done by the initial players from the ladder.
If PRX and the others NA players were initially on the EU ladder we would say “GG SFR, you are the best.”, but they are on a ladder that is not theirs, and share unfairly their advantageous timezones at their server, penalizing the whole ladder.
There are no rules prohibiting it, yes, but there are two distinct ladder named “US & EU” for compensate it. If ArenaNet fully approved these transfers they would have created an international ladder.
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Certainly not because 1 NA guild transferred to us as great as they are, they have just given us the one thing we were missing vs ALL the servers we’ve faced since day 1, some…and I stress the some…nighttime coverage.
I love the irony now that we finally have some night time coverage you all start to whine and moan.
I do not believe it… Santa Claus doesn’t exist dude, if you can not have this nighttime coverage with your own EU players you do not to be in T1…
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VS ofc defended their nightcapping strategy and claimed it to be a part of the game. Totally justified imo
Now we are in the same situation and SFR seems to have a very good night capping team and now people. from VS, suddenly think its unfair.
Yes because nightscaping by EU players =/= Nightscaping on local time of ladder by NA players in primetime.
I can’t speak for the Borderlands, but past midnight CET on new years, I were still seeing a large presence of both VS and ER in Eternal Battlegrounds at least. And quite honestly, there wasn’t all that many NA players around at the time on our side (in EB at least).
We had a fairly drunk Commander running about which was somewhat hilarious, and several (buzzed and not) EU players though. But for the clashes we had, which I were present for until about 3am, the numbers looked pretty equal. Also, in VS’s case, and I don’t state this to “flame”, but as an observation; they were extremely cautious for a lot of the engagements, since me being alone at their Keep after we had captured it, kept 40-ish of them moving away from the gate simply by shooting down some Cluster Bombs. They could’ve easily broken through before our players came to defend and kill them. I at least, think the lead at the time was created more from opposition being really cautions for some reason or another, not because we had some (admittedly very skilled) NA players around. Perhaps I’m wrong though.
Here’s a screenshot taken a little bit past midnight, as the year switched to 2013, CET:
A screenshot proves nothing, you had income up +455 that night.
Nightcapping is indeed part of the game and so are multi time zones
Everywhere the people will tell you that if you can not set up a nightscapping force with your own EU players, then you have nothing to do in T1 EU, it’s simple…
No, that’s what some VS an Elona trolls say, and no one cares about what they say
Yes, because the third server is SFR. There is therefore no one else to complain that VS and ER. If all tiers was gathered together we would not be only ones.
Oh my god, so many guys getting baited by such a bad troll.
Qwixx, I’m not impressed, you need a couple more years training in other specific forums to be a good forum troll.
I can’t even believe so many SFR taking the bait, cut the slack guys, you guys suck at forums, just play the game. :p
Why troll ?
If you are not aware of this advantage it’s serious, however i think that will change when PRX will return of their vacancy.
This is valid for the local time of the ladder and EU players, but now i’ll let you look over your US and RU players:
- US primetime: US EST 6pm to 12am (CET 00H00-06H00/03H00-09H00).
- US nighttime: US EST 12am to 6am (CET 06H00-12H00/09H00-15H00).
- RU primetime: RU MSK 6pm to 12am (CET 15H00-21H00).
- RU nighttime: RU MSK 12am to 6am (CET 21H00-03H00).So your server is in UE Ladder with standard Time. You are a nightcapper. That is not a problem nightcapping is part of the game and always will be. Bytheway most part of RU is included in EU ladder or maybe they have a RU Ladder ?
Just a suggestion play more and post less, maybe you will be not owned so often
It shouldn’t be confused, RU players are not problematic, it’s their original ladder. But it becoming with the threesome including NA players. SFR is the only one to possess it in EU ladder now (and there were others…).
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This is what Troma said on other forums:
“yes, some guilds (few, between 50 and 100 people) came from another french server to help a little. Because we lost a lot of people/commanders with Blacktide/Arborean wars.
another french server.
It’s not NA/RU mercenary.
Nowhere does it say multi time zones are a misuse of the rules. Nowhere.
There is no international ladder, but two separate ladder, US and EU.
Each player is assigned in one of the two ladders.
Nightcapping is indeed part of the game and so are multi time zones
Everywhere the people will tell you that if you can not set up a nightscapping force with your own EU players, then you have nothing to do in T1 EU, it’s simple…
VS and ER have external assistance ? No, they deserve their place in T1.
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look at America they have to deal with that too because America is so big, also there isn’t a single rule that says it isn’t allowed.
US ladder have to deal with that because they have multi timezone in their original ladder, they can not whine about it.
But we can, because we have not multi timezone on our original ladder.
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Nightcapping is also a huge advantage over servers that do not have nightteams
Yes, and this is why they are not in T1 but in T2, T3 etc…
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the fact you failt to acknowledge that sais more about your hypocrisy than anything else
Hypocrisy ? You just don’t want to understand it because you enjoy to be in T1.
So let me get this straight VS…
Last week with Xmas holidays , you won by 100K and all was fine.
Now, because of one day, you gush and whine on the forums?!
Are you serious?It’s fine that you cover the night with unemployed and students, and when other servers try to compete with you through alternative ways, you whine again?
What should other servers do in your opinion to compete with you? Quit their jobs? Live off social welfare?
Really now…
It was a small taunt in response to your the Christmas day.
1) 22-29 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/14
Best result for Vizunah for all 7 days id between Midnight and 7 am.2) 15-22 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/13
4 nights of 7 (during the weekend SFR Owning the others 2 servers for 48 pratically).3) 8-15 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/12
4 days best result is between Midnight and 8 am.4) 1-8 December -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/11
The beginning of nightcappingBytheway this game is 24×7 with no limitation for Geographic area or Language (in SFR there are some French/German/Spanish Guilds) so if you want to discuss on nightcapping and NA guilds do not discuss the game but the rules.
See ya on battlefields you will find me with [OSC] tag
This is valid for the local time of the ladder and EU players, but now i’ll let you look over your US and RU players:
- US primetime: US EST 6pm to 12am (CET 00H00-06H00/03H00-09H00).
- US nighttime: US EST 12am to 6am (CET 06H00-12H00/09H00-15H00).
- RU primetime: RU MSK 6pm to 12am (CET 15H00-21H00).
- RU nighttime: RU MSK 12am to 6am (CET 21H00-03H00).Also you complain about russians, a part of russia is in Europe so technically they could be European (as in continent) players too. Since they don’t have russian servers its only logical they play at the european servers.
I’m not saying they aren’t, but two timezones is already an advantage, then three…
So please, stop talking about our nightscaping whereas you have this huge advantage over us…You are the one whining whole the time and saying its unfair, stop whining when you lose and stop accusing others of pvdooring etc because it is what you do yourself. If you keep whining the nightcapping arguements to counter you will stay. Your nightcapping was also a huge advantage against others, does not mean it is not fair.
We whine out something worthwhile.
Nightscaping is part of the game, whereas a multi timezones is a misuse of rules.
You have this huge advantage over us, and the only thing you find to reply is our nightscaping ? LMAO.
1) 22-29 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/14
Best result for Vizunah for all 7 days id between Midnight and 7 am.2) 15-22 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/13
4 nights of 7 (during the weekend SFR Owning the others 2 servers for 48 pratically).3) 8-15 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/12
4 days best result is between Midnight and 8 am.4) 1-8 December -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/11
The beginning of nightcappingBytheway this game is 24×7 with no limitation for Geographic area or Language (in SFR there are some French/German/Spanish Guilds) so if you want to discuss on nightcapping and NA guilds do not discuss the game but the rules.
See ya on battlefields you will find me with [OSC] tag
This is valid for the local time of the ladder and EU players, but now i’ll let you look over your US and RU players:
- US primetime: US EST 6pm to 12am (CET 00H00-06H00/03H00-09H00).
- US nighttime: US EST 12am to 6am (CET 06H00-12H00/09H00-15H00).
- RU primetime: RU MSK 6pm to 12am (CET 15H00-21H00).
- RU nighttime: RU MSK 12am to 6am (CET 21H00-03H00).Also you complain about russians, a part of russia is in Europe so technically they could be European (as in continent) players too. Since they don’t have russian servers its only logical they play at the european servers.
I’m not saying they aren’t, but two timezones is already an advantage, then three…
So please, stop talking about our nightscaping whereas you have this huge advantage over us…