Guild Wars 2

Amazing fun in VS Borderland this night @ Bay!
I am sure you guys from IRON liked it too :>
Lots of bags and lots of fun, gj all!

salluks.6017:

the obsession SFR has with IRON is really amusing.

kinda like that hot chick u’ve been eyeing but can never have.

Hot chick married the wrong guy
That is why there are so many divorces in our society :<

omphin.1752:

REAL.7483:

You are totally right man, you are not in Tier 1 because of anything else rather than IRON, they must be some really good guys, no joke.

Do you do any WvW or just troll all day? Amazing how people like to make a name for themselves at any cost

Heh…
This was not a troll, it is my honest opinion and if people disagree will be just here in the forum, because they know it is true.
And yeah, i am currently following ZD in SFR looking for Deso bags but they just don´t show up =’(

salluks.6017:

If anybody thinks Deso is in Tier 1 cos of bandwagoning of VOTF,afterlife, is kitten

they joined deso months after deso hit tier 1.

but u have to whine now that ur server is dying a slow death to make urself feel better..go ahead.

You are totally right man, you are not in Tier 1 because of anything else rather than IRON, they must be some really good guys, no joke.

Dyno.9467:

REAL.7483:

Dyno.9467:

REAL.7483:

“I don’t think you ‘get’ Desolation” – Oh we get IRONation pretty well loool
“Oh and [outmanned] a lot of the time and almost no queues” – You brag about this!?
This just shows that you don´t have the people with WvW routines and as i previously said, you need 20+ with same tag to actually start something, so all the WXP guys can jump in the train. It isn´t something to be proud of. You will understand some day that you DO have the people (potentially), if som1 takes the initiative do actually do something, they magically appear. You can trust me on this.

We just want to see how good Desolation does now that we are not Vizunah Number 1 target, looking good so far for som1 that thought your performance didn´t have anything to do with ours. We enjoy our holidays here, have fun this week!

The reason the guilds left SFR is because Viz thrashed you last week, which everyone predicted your guilds would do after 1 defeat, enjoy your imaginary holiday

The reason you are still in Tier 1 is solely IRON.
The reason you were making that many points is because Vizunah focus us, everyone knows you are no threat to rank1.
Now enjoy your so worth 2nd place, may your imaginary strength be with you!

The only reason you are in T1 is Piken Square

At least you know what i say is true.
I would suggest a change about what you said, so it actually becomes true and not some nonsense.
The reason why we WON weeks in a row Tier1 is because we had some guilds coming from Piken Square to share those triumphs yeah.

KabaL.6217:

Sorry by 24o24, i mean 24hours on 24hours, not 24 players versus 24 players.

Anyway, some here called us VIZURATS (hi sacrx !!) but what do you think about this ?
http://s24.postimg.org/sa65ay2fp/sacrx.jpg

Have you seen a sunk ship coming to the surface again? Watch out, strange things can happen in the World of Tyria!

Dyno.9467:

REAL.7483:

“I don’t think you ‘get’ Desolation” – Oh we get IRONation pretty well loool
“Oh and [outmanned] a lot of the time and almost no queues” – You brag about this!?
This just shows that you don´t have the people with WvW routines and as i previously said, you need 20+ with same tag to actually start something, so all the WXP guys can jump in the train. It isn´t something to be proud of. You will understand some day that you DO have the people (potentially), if som1 takes the initiative do actually do something, they magically appear. You can trust me on this.

We just want to see how good Desolation does now that we are not Vizunah Number 1 target, looking good so far for som1 that thought your performance didn´t have anything to do with ours. We enjoy our holidays here, have fun this week!

The reason the guilds left SFR is because Viz thrashed you last week, which everyone predicted your guilds would do after 1 defeat, enjoy your imaginary holiday

The reason you are still in Tier 1 is solely IRON.
The reason you were making that many points is because Vizunah focus us, everyone knows you are no threat to rank1.
Now enjoy your so worth 2nd place, may your imaginary strength be with you!

“I don’t think you ‘get’ Desolation” – Oh we get IRONation pretty well loool
“Oh and [outmanned] a lot of the time and almost no queues” – You brag about this!?
This just shows that you don´t have the people with WvW routines and as i previously said, you need 20+ with same tag to actually start something, so all the WXP guys can jump in the train. It isn´t something to be proud of. You will understand some day that you DO have the people (potentially), if som1 takes the initiative do actually do something, they magically appear. You can trust me on this.

We just want to see how good Desolation does now that we are not Vizunah Number 1 target, looking good so far for som1 that thought your performance didn´t have anything to do with ours. We enjoy our holidays here, have fun this week!

Atoss.1056:

Grok.6714:

Thurin.5610:

This is VS blobing is getting seriously insane, it sucks the fun out of this game.
I hope we drop Tiers soon, this is just no fun.

With VS blobbing taken to a next level, Deso being unable to counter and SFR trying to rebuild and stay alive after the damage inflicted by Anet inane decision …

…next week will be a rather boring matchup.

Let’s see how Deso can handle VS now without SFR standing in their way.

Sounds like Deso performance depends on SFR performance lul.. Don’t worry, we will have fun with or without you guys, gl on rebuilding though
I was trying to run in smaller groups and it brings a lot of refresh to the game. Unfortunately a lot of Viz players jumped on us 2 times when trying to take hills (sfr bl). We haven’t given up and 3rd time was success

Yes, not only yours depends on ours but vice-versa, this is a 3-way.
I will just put an example, you think you would have anything in EB if VS decided to focus you instead of SFR (outside prime obviously). The only reason you got your points in EB is because VS is constantly applying the pressure on us, you are constantly outmanned…

We are happy that with the VS winning we can stop trading comments with Desolation and get back to our old favorite sport

Since you weren’t able to take garrison, you better try something else :>
<3 Assyl

DanH.5879:

REAL.7483:

omphin.1752:

Its becoming pretty clear that it would probably be better for some SFR guilds to transfer to Desolation if they want to beat the Vizunah beast. We dont have your crazy queue times and are a stable T1 server and dislike Vizunah for the same reasons you do. just throwing it out there.

What?!
We did beat Vizunah Square like what, 5 times now?
Reason why we will lose some guilds is because we have proven ourselves we could win without much effort, and guilds were starting to aim more for the fun than for the points. But guess what, you CAN’T enjoy the game against 70+ blobs and 10 skill delay so many started to have “vacations” on lower tiers and others thought about leaving aswell.

Your server is as stable as IRON is atm.

Not directly to your comment now:
About alliances between VS and Desolation, hell no you sure don´t have one, but putting IRON on SFR Border instead of any other sure has a HUGE impact on our ppts, because not only those Hills are well safe but they also pressure our stuff all the fkin time. Don´t know if you realized but before IRON come to our Borderland we used to have full T3 maps to defend, after that all i see is a crappy SFR Borderland with IRON blob always there…

If we happen to lose our supremacy and VS start focusing you, let’s see how strong you are, they are going to eat you, om nom nom!

i smell frustration in the air from SFR
seems we are doing our job quite well ^^

Is your job annoying SFR? If yes i am implying you are doing great :]
It is up to us to counter that, i am not the type that comes here to cry.
Credits given where credit is due :>

Dyno.9467:

REAL.7483:

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

The only reason why IRON is on sfr bl is that we hate bay side, keep trebbing from garri, and on deso bl, we get double teamed all the time.

I have been begging wrex/offski for sfr bl for weeks. (and ty for the other deso guilds to let us play there.)

And if may say so, i hope we keep playing there all the time. You gotta love a t3 hills in primetime.

And about the double teaming in sfr… lol. You really think you had a chance when 60 WL and 60 IRON team up on you on sfr bl?

Tldr, deso sucks, blobs, hacks, spies, doubleteam and get wiped all the time.

I am not saying it isn´t legit and that you do it on purpose to kitten us up.
Truth is, it does.

Yeah but SFR and Viz have done it us, Deso and SFR have done it to Viz, so whats your point?

Can you read or just want to have some fun exchanging posts?

::: POINT :::The point is that the fact that IRON is on SFR Border and not anywhere else is affecting really bad our PPT. Because your most effective and with best coverage Guild is fighting us most of the time. ::: POINT:::
I am not saying you shouldn´t, that you are double-teaming, that we don´t do similar, i am stating a fact, simple as that.

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

The only reason why IRON is on sfr bl is that we hate bay side, keep trebbing from garri, and on deso bl, we get double teamed all the time.

I have been begging wrex/offski for sfr bl for weeks. (and ty for the other deso guilds to let us play there.)

And if may say so, i hope we keep playing there all the time. You gotta love a t3 hills in primetime.

And about the double teaming in sfr… lol. You really think you had a chance when 60 WL and 60 IRON team up on you on sfr bl?

Tldr, deso sucks, blobs, hacks, spies, doubleteam and get wiped all the time.

I am not saying it isn´t legit and that you do it on purpose to kitten us up.
Truth is, it does.

omphin.1752:

Its becoming pretty clear that it would probably be better for some SFR guilds to transfer to Desolation if they want to beat the Vizunah beast. We dont have your crazy queue times and are a stable T1 server and dislike Vizunah for the same reasons you do. just throwing it out there.

What?!
We did beat Vizunah Square like what, 5 times now?
Reason why we will lose some guilds is because we have proven ourselves we could win without much effort, and guilds were starting to aim more for the fun than for the points. But guess what, you CAN’T enjoy the game against 70+ blobs and 10 skill delay so many started to have “vacations” on lower tiers and others thought about leaving aswell.

Your server is as stable as IRON is atm.

Not directly to your comment now:
About alliances between VS and Desolation, hell no you sure don´t have one, but putting IRON on SFR Border instead of any other sure has a HUGE impact on our ppts, because not only those Hills are well safe but they also pressure our stuff all the fkin time. Don´t know if you realized but before IRON come to our Borderland we used to have full T3 maps to defend, after that all i see is a crappy SFR Borderland with IRON blob always there…

If we happen to lose our supremacy and VS start focusing you, let’s see how strong you are, they are going to eat you, om nom nom!

WvW (and the game itself) needs structural changes;
- Skill lag is killing the game in top tiers;
- WvW needs to have something to replace Orbs so the 3-servers can fight for;
- We need GvG introduced because i am tired of people trying to make WvW a GvG Arena…
- WXP ranks should have some sort of rewards attached since the abilities are kinda useless (and they should stay rather useless imo), maybe some extra badges + siege weapons + gold/minipets/skins according to the rank.

But what you say is also something to look forward, but not a priority compared to the things i mentioned imo.

Q: What does confusion say in its description?
A: Damages foes on skill activation. (correct me if i am wrong)

Why does it trigger on dodge and on auto-attack ?
Simply make it correspond to the description and it gets more than fine…

And don´t say auto-attack is a skill, for me it isn´t…

So what is left? Keys number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 + elite, think it is good enough…

Strike the enemy where they feel most safe about, bye bye t3 VS garrison =]

rebelnomad.4502:

Troma.3250:

Hello friends,

after the mass commanders lost problem, the people who do not listen to commanders since the patch (like you SFR) now we have the very worrying DDoS problem. Since 3 days, at the same hours, TS VS down, someone take control of moderator and random ban people, then backup TS down too, and now many TS of guilds DDOsed too… i’m very sad of this. Of course i don’t know who do this, one night i saw some french people insulting and trashing on maps then it crashed just after, dunno if it’s linked.

Guilds gave their TS to help, but now DDosers attack them. 5-6 TS of guilds down in the same time…

Sorry to hear that.

It is a very low act indeed.

This is a game and should be taken as a game. It is a virtual world not a real life. It doesn’t matter how successful, how famous, how glorious a person / guild is in-game, once you turn off the computer they all are gone. I hope people who do these kinda acts, behaves like bunch of jerks would remember this.

I hope you, and your server find a solution.

Does your statement implies that this type of behavior would be acceptable in RL ? And that you only censure it because it is a game?

Life is a game man, you won´t live forever

RIP Zyzz

omphin.1752:

REAL.7483:

fact 1 – When VS were rank 1 all this thread was full of bashes against VS.
fact 2 – Now that SFR showed himself uncontested rank1 the bashes against SFR come.

So predictable.

You jelly brah!?

I am jelly that you guys can buy p/t/v gear in temples much easier than me :<

Learn to guest sweetheart. X

That is exactly what i did back then :>

Tier 1 EU is becoming unplayable with the massive lags due to gigantic blob fights, something must be done to address this real quick, what could be a challenge for guilds to overcome, trying to beat those blobs with less numbers, it just frustrates people because it has nothing to do with skill, just numbers spamming auto attack.

Do something about this please…

SFR has won the real war too, check out the latest matchups, there is nothing to be ashamed off.

fact 1 – When VS were rank 1 all this thread was full of bashes against VS.
fact 2 – Now that SFR showed himself uncontested rank1 the bashes against SFR come.

So predictable.

You jelly brah!?

I am jelly that you guys can buy p/t/v gear in temples much easier than me :<

Rhino.7863:

“Votf are constantly with us with they are not running their events and help us a lot with tips and ideas and personally would love them to lead us sometimes as they play a much smaller open fight tighter guild and are very skilled at it.”

Thank you for unintentionally praising the skill and knowledge of Seafarer’s rest players:)
Ask Aneu how many of his members are from SFR:)

R.I.P. Futilez, Nastrandir,uPT etc:))"

Im one of the members VoTF “stole” from SFR and I can tell you the SFR we left a couple of months back are not the same SFR that I used to love and fight for. Some of my best memories from GW2 is when SFR fought against Riverside and Baruch as underdogs and still somehow managed to pull through, something a french might call “Vizunah Spirit” :P. ALL efforts from every guild was counted, during reset meeting we were prompted to sign up to “the list” even if we only had around 5-10 active in our guilds. But the old “pirate” days of SFR are gone, the serverpride is gone, the heart is gone, the underdog feeling is gone. Its just another bandwagoner server just like I used to view Desolation in the beginning. The original SFR community treasured every bit of effort a PUG put in, the extra arrowcart that nobody would build, the ram that would get instantly nuked, the trebber who trebbed down walls only to see his keep overrun by zergy germans. None of this was left when we decided to transfer off SFR, and it seems none of it have returned. All I can see from my old server is elitist bullcrap and Ive never regretted one bit that I left.

All the good things I once saw in SFR community I now see in the Deso WvW community, altho I admit to sometimes being an elitist kitten when someone drops a regular ram instead of a superior I would never mock that person, I would never call out his name in /team, and I would never consider him a burden for our server, since I have no idea how much work that single person have put into dropping that regular ram. And that whats I love about our current Desolation server, every bit of effort is appreciated, every effort a so called PUG puts in is never frown down on but encouraged. People can say all they want about IRON and their “blob”, but serverpride is one thing in abundance here

So you like to win as underdog, pretty normal, i can understand that your best moments on SFR belong to the past.
Now, if i am not mistaken you left SFR before RG, ECL, BOON, siN, RNV joined for an American server (rank1 at that time!), Seafarer’s had lost PRX, SFR was in a down state and you left it, what kind of elitist bullkitten are you referring to? Server pride? Server pride is measured by your actions, not your words. Server pride is being able to enjoy the wins we been having so far in SFR and to be here when they are gone, ready to raise the server from the ashes when the time comes.

Now speaking about Desolation and community, you are lucky you got IRON doing a solid job embracing pugs, otherwise you would still be going down, have you EVER seen a Desolation PUG zerg? I have NEVER seen one, tell me more how solid your community is, when you need something done in any border you need 30+ from the same TAG.

Can´t take server pride lessons from som1 that bashes on his old server after hoping into a hoper Guild.

Let´s speak about what really matters.
1st place – Seafarer’s Rest (aka Repous Du Marin)
2nd place – Desolation (or IRONation!?)
3rd place – Vizunah Square (whaaaaaaat?!)

GO!

PS: Good thing Desolation are stepping up a bit for a less boring T1.

Haha too bad i wasn´t in SFR when you took garri, i just came in time to see the zerg → sunnyhill for decoy, Golems → Cragtop.
Seems you did a well executed Golem rush, good job :>

http://postimg.org/image/5y624ru5x/
Taken at 11:20 pm GMT

Does this look like we have an alliance with vizunah? If much seems we have an alliance with you lol! Stop being delirious seriously…

This is a 1v1v1, means there will be plenty of 2v1 situations, for one side or the other, arguing there is an alliance because of 1 situation in one border, even if it was one day… oh gawd…

iiMulch.2138:

Can this stupid alliance between vizunha and seafarer in vizunha borderland stop? Literally today GoD had to fight both of the servers of 100+ players for 4-5 hours. As soon as vizunha hits bay seafarer hits redbriar. The 2 servers have not attacked each others territory at all for the past 8 hours and it is getting silly. Even with both servers allied against deso we still managed to wipe them but now its getting too much for us to handle.

It was real good fights but I no longer honor a few guilds simply because they need to ally against us to kill us. I don’t know about other borderlands but in vizunha borderland they haven’t fought each other at all…

Tell me something, maybe i can help you understand:
- What was Seafarer’s Hills upgrades like in VZ BL ?
- What was Vizunah Garrison + Cragtop upgrades like ?
- What was Desolation bay upgrades like ?

Answers:
- Max
- Max
- Paper

People tend to attack the weakest target, which happened to be you, it is not an alliance, it is how it works, failing to acknowledge and come QQ on forum is lame…
Why do you think we didn´t have our garrison in SFR in the past 2 days prime-time ? Yes, because IRON downgraded it right before prime. Same hapened to Bay in Desolation border with RG + Option raiding there, i was watching map and we kept losing it, because we had paper Bay.

Solutions? Play defensive, siege up, escort.
Don´t wanna do that? Deal with it and enjoy the fights then =]

Epic action taking Hills from IRONation in Seafarer’s BL, great stuff.

No no and no. It is not because 5% dmg against players will unbalance the game, it is because of the pandora box it opens.

You want to see guilds recruiting players because of their ranks and not their skill ?
You want to see a gigantic thread with people crying because they can´t be as competitive as an unemployed person? And that Anet LIED to them ?

They must stop patching the game (like Ascended Gear was) and start working on solid system that keeps people interested, and not some kitten patches just to buy them some time, potentially making mistakes they can´t undo.

For me, a system with skins/pets/titles attached to each rank should be more than enough to keep hardcore gamers interested, not to speak that for a true PvPer recognition should be enough, but i don´t see any problem adding some extras.

This and fixing WvW problems like skill lag, that is actually killing the game, rewards are not enough if WvW isn´t fun to play.

That type of progression is against GW2 initial rules, the grind here should be optional (skins, etc) and not required to compete at the top level. I am also in favor of this philosophy, but… they already broke their promises and introduced Ascended Gear, so we never know what we can expect tbh.
But i am against it (and i got a lot of hours lol), simply because i believe you can fulfill that need of progression people have with just skins/minipets/titles and other things that don´t imbalance the game. They just need to work on it properly…. give access to certain skin after a certain rank, reward with some minipet after certain rank, Hall of Monuments introduced in the transition from GW1 to GW2 worked like this, and lots of people got back into the game and worked on it.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

REAL.7483:

I am assuming they are outmanned, that is why they build siege isn´t it?

I don’t understand most of what you’re saying but this is by far the most nonsensical of your statements. Being out-manned has little to do with the reasoning behind building siege weapons.

Defensive siege is used to give you some edge against larger numbers no? If you got the numbers (quantity and quality ofc) you can always kill them. Why you need AC if you can simply swing your sword on the attackers?
Siege is there to allow you to defend while being outmanned, you don´t necessarily need to have the outmanned buff, but in that specific location at that specific time you are outmanned and need siege to defend.

What swirling winds do is denying the defenders the possibility to defend against a catapult attack with a treb, as long as they got the elementalists protecting the catapults.

Can also think the other way around, let´s think you are trebbing bay inner walls from the cliff, and you can´t get any shot because they got few elementalists protecting the wall. Even tho you can have the most skilled army and choose the long range siege (to make them come to you if they want to defend, away from the Arrow carts), you still might not be able to do damage to the wall because they got couple of elementalists sitting there…

It also adds some advantage to Elementalist class that has nothing to do with overall PvP balance, let’s give warriors the ability to damage walls …

I personally do not agree with this, but if it is working as intended that is ok then, just wanted to know.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say at this point but SW doesn’t favor larger groups over smaller ones, nor does it favor attackers over defenders.

It allows you to spam catapults and ignore the possible trebuchet inside the tower, because you got enough elementalists to keep spamming that. Even tho the tower has the siege to counter that, Trebuchet > catapults, the people inside Tower still can´t do crap.
I am assuming they are outmanned, that is why they build siege isn´t it? I am not assuming they can go out and faceroll the attackers, i am speaking about being able (not being able to in this case) defend while outmanned with the proper siege.
It is the same thing if we had some skill to counter Arrow Carts and could just facerub all gates, but ACs are used to defend from RAMs, Trebs are used to defend from catapults, but substantially it is the same thing.

serenity.6348:

REAL.7483:

Go as far as we let you, and don´t mind the PvD comments you are going to see after

come on dude what guild are you lol

I don´t wear guild tag as a trophy so i must feel important and respected, if that was the case i wouldn’t be in a small friendly guild, lucky me WvW allows me that

omphin.1752:

REAL.7483:

Go as far as we let you, and don´t mind the PvD comments you are going to see after

Are you in the habit of “letting us cap” 2 fully upgraded keeps in the space of 20 minutes? if so maybe change your tactic?

With all the flame and such around you got me wrong. I am saying keep doing that because it is our fault we “let you cap it”, we have to adapt so that doesn´t happen again.

HF

Go as far as we let you, and don´t mind the PvD comments you are going to see after

GrandmaFunk.3052:

REAL.7483:

I personally don´t think swirling winds should block siege shots, just makes the “zerg” even more powerful, spamming catapults and blocking every counter shot that comes from Tower. If they got the numbers advantage people can always go for long range trebs or catas glued to the wall, no need to frustrate more the few defenders that actually put the proper siege inside tower with some bugged skill abuse.

ps: the defenders can use Swirling Winds to block siege shots too.

When you are outmanned i don´t see many defenders to use it…
This would force people to use brain and think about the ways to properly siege for a change, this is just the more the better….

Are swirling winds supposed to block siege ? If not, are we going to see a fix soon ?

I personally don´t think swirling winds should block siege shots, just makes the “zerg” even more powerful, spamming catapults and blocking every counter shot that comes from Tower. If they got the numbers advantage people can always go for long range trebs or catas glued to the wall, no need to frustrate more the few defenders that actually put the proper siege inside tower with some bugged skill abuse.

You agree it should be fixed or … ?

yes, we had queues everywhere. But no1 can afford to have paper stuff before prime-time, specially without good guild coverage (had pugs mostly + queues) to repel enemies, was a total disaster

This is called mass PvP for a reason, if you run small group you must be happy with dolyaks/camps/ninja and some other stuff, ofc you won´t dominate the map with such group…

Very good post, worth the read.
Tho i must say that all of this blob hating relies on something you have stated plenty of times, which is LAG. I personally see no problem in blobbing, it is a legitimate tactic, specially for pug-servers, but i think if there was absolutely no LAG, wiping a 70 men blob with 30-40 good guys would be possible and epic aswell.
So for me the real problem is LAG, nothing else.

Good fights in VS Garrison this morning, too bad we couldn´t take it after stupidly losing it :<

How can one brag about wipes at forums ? Tons of things that can tweak the outcome of a fight in WvW…

1 – some side has less guild players;
2 – some side has less guild players and less players counting with pugs;
3 – both sides have even guild players but one has some randoms;
4 – one guild catches other from side/behind or fighting any other blob.

WvW is not fking GvG. Want to see who is better ? Go make some GvG and prove that, no1 gives credit to what you say in forum, we have already enough proof every1 is the n1 at forums.

What a childish discussion. Why? Because game has no GvG in it and guilds use WvW for it, WRONG.

Skill lag is really a big problem… hope they sort this out, even if they need to reduce cap for a while…

Taldek.6105:

Does the new UI display the total number of characters currently on a given wvw map for each server? That would be amazing.

Why the hell would someone want such thing? If i had 10 guys on map i wouldn´t want enemies to know that and suddenly 2v1 me… If you want to know how many enemies are in map scout better and use brain, i hope such information will never be revealed. They should change outmanned not to be visible to enemies …

Seafarer’s Rest is rank1 EU and medium server aswell, come here to stomp (and to stop) some Vizunah Square invader morning golem rushes!
I don´t speak for our community, this is just my input, but if you don´t come here for any reason i would like to see you on Desolation (but not medium :<) so we could have a better T1.

No1 wipes unless they are heavily outmanned, it is amazing!
Idc much about this, but will be fun when GvG comes, at least no more bullkitten like this posted.

sort of, if you play prime-time only yeah…

oh there is a Red Guard! kill him! kill himmmmmmm!

Sithaco.4673:

Man, people need to stop complaining about this. Gosh. This is awesome, new abilities, no culling. I don’t even know what the problem is with ‘zerging’. Please explain?

- No culling? Great (let´s hope)
- New abilities? That looks better than nothing.

Basically when you zerg your skill becomes less relevant due to the amount of people involved, you can be a low level leeching XP and you are getting more credit for the so called WorldXP or whatever than someone that is actualy being useful for the server. This is the problem. All i would like is a system that takes into account the various components of WvW (including kills), but not something that makes zerging even more appealing geez.

Just read WvW events will be useful for the new system, if it takes everything into consideration then props and i am cool with it.

No offense but… amount of kills a player has ? That’s like “Hey, let’s see who can zerg and tag more!” In a game where kills don´t even give points, that says literally nothing you do for your server, you can even do it for your own loot. In fact it might be the opposite, you don´t do useful stuff like scouting and small scale because everyone wants to farm killz!

Not a good idea…

But i would be a fan of lists with the various stuff, dolyaks/repairs/escorts/dolyakslappers and kills included, just not kills only.