Guild Wars 2

Nuked.2360:

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It’s cause you guys run a million mesmers right? :P

Like the Australian Frilled Neck Lizard, we try to appear much bigger than we are… It’s part of our inner insecurity about coming from Down Under… maaaate.

Stei… sigh… why you give away our secrets. It’s because Flake has chosen Loktar over you isn’t it? Don’t hate him for it Stei – just sit back and watch the magic happen…. Weng is still available you know… I can put in a good word for you there….

Peetee.9406:

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You make the mistake in thinking that just the FoO zerg exists for JQ during SEA prime. JQ runs 3 full 80 man teams in that time slot, the FoO zerg that flips between JQ/BG, the TKG/friends that sits in SoR, and the mixed guild EB group.

lol… At TKG we are truly honored that you noticed our small guild. TKG has never, ever run an 80 man zerg – we don’t have nearly enough friends. Even with all of the might of Death Chainsaw with us our numbers are usually well under 30. Add in a few of JQ’s fabulous pugs here and there and you would be extremely lucky if we get close to 40 at the best of SEA times.

I will admit that if Flake is on his guardian he is quite… large and maybe you are mistaking him for another 20 people? It’s ok though, we will get him to play an asura next so you can gauge the size of our “zerg” a bit better.

Usually in SEA time we don’t have queues except to whatever borderland the Foo Foo Train is running in.

But, I will speak for the guild here, WvW has been incredibly enjoyable lately and all jokes aside – massive kudos to most of JQ, SoR and BG for keeping it fun.

Deutero.9084:

….A whole lot of stuff telling us how awesome Deutero is and how he is better than all of us…

I’m sorry – I’m not as awesome as you. Unfortunately for me I had to work a 12 hour shift in a hospital today helping sick people get well. And guess what? The whole duration of the event was during that time. Even with three weeks notice of exactly what was happening I couldn’t take time off the way you can. After a 12 hour day I really enjoy coming home and being able to relax and play something I enjoy, like GW2.

Am I upset about missing the event? Meh… I’ll get over that – but a couple of things upset me a significant amount.

1. kittens on these forums telling me I am less of a human being because I actually had to do something other than play a computer game at a specific time. Who the hell do you think you are?

2. Not even getting the opportunity to be on a level playing field. Every single person that is kittened off about missing out has paid the same amount for this game as the people that were lucky enough / special enough or simply chosen by the devs by virtue of where they live to do the event. Yep it’s just loot, but the fact that there was a GUARANTEED 20 slot bag and decent trinket is just ridiculous. Add to that an outside chance of getting a decent exotic or a precursor and you are going to have peeved people who didn’t even have the chance to do this.

If you’re going to have a one off event that a decent chunk of the player base will not be able to attend why throw ridiculous amounts of loot at people? Especially when the devs have previously said (refer to the nightcapping thread – you know the one I mean) that no players should be disadvantaged based on where they live. How can they say that with a straight face and then organise an event like this?

Oh and one more thing that really grinds my gears;

3. No decent response or acknowledgement from anyone at Anet. I’ve seen what they have responded so far and they may as well have said nothing. So disappointed in a team I had a huge amount of respect for and a lot of faith in.

Absolutely correct. The core IoJ crew will not approve of this sort of stuff. We had a great reputation until now it seems. A lot of transfers bring a lot of the detritus with them unfortunately.

Please post your evidence and we will do our best to stamp this out.

What a silly (I’d like to be more harsh here, but i won’t) statement. I’m sure they are all sitting around smoking cigars at Anet and waiting for a mega-important person like you to tell them all what to do. Is that what you think is happening? Talk about conceited, self-righteous rubbish.

I have no doubt that Anet are working as hard as they can on fixing the problems, but they have no requirement to answer to your self-indulgent post, or such rubbish from anyone else for that matter.

Why do so many whiners on these (and most other game’s forums) think they have the right to tell developers what they should be doing? While the VAST majority choose not to complain and get on with enjoying the game, there always has to be a tiny kernel of whingers who think they are more important than everyone else.

Add to that being incredibly rude to a community representative, and you think you’ll get / deserve an answer? Back under your bridge please.

played a bit tonight for the first time all week. WvW is still broken
Blackgate is not being represented in this match up as a good chunk of our regular WvW players have not been playing since WvW is BROKEN,

Of course this has only affected the BG server, all the other servers are fully representing and none of them have had a week off because of broken WvWvW….. facepalm

Which by the way is fixed now it seems…..

SKYeXile.2716:

Raze.5420:

Zwizm.7013:

Zero queue time > All.

BTW, looking at the score, IoJ and Blackgate should be giving each other high 5’s in the field and double-teaming SB at every turn.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

We seem to dislike BG with a passion… and the feeling is mutual. Which has made this weeks match-up awesome fun despite the boring endless SBI zerg, we have had a great battle with BG. Guilds like TRF (hahahaha) and DIE (more laughs) have tried to swutch servers midweek to steal 2nd place, but we’re not about to roll over and let that happen……

This is only the beginning, wait until we get our full warband over, NO DOOR SHALL BE SAFE!

Yeah, I bet those teams in T3 are very frghtened…..

Zwizm.7013:

Zero queue time > All.

BTW, looking at the score, IoJ and Blackgate should be giving each other high 5’s in the field and double-teaming SB at every turn.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

We seem to dislike BG with a passion… and the feeling is mutual. Which has made this weeks match-up awesome fun despite the boring endless SBI zerg, we have had a great battle with BG. Guilds like TRF (hahahaha) and DIE (more laughs) have tried to swutch servers midweek to steal 2nd place, but we’re not about to roll over and let that happen……

Again, quotes aren’t working. But this is incorrect:

Also, theres an official IoJ website for guilds to introduce themselves, please check out isleofjanthir.com

The correct site for IoJ guilds is

www.isleofjanthir.net

Cheers

The best thing I find is that some people believed the lies (even when other people were telling them different) about SoS having a decent sized Oceanic WvWvW community that sprouted from this bloke. Simple fact the SOS oceanic community that plays WvWvW would be lucky to be the 6th or 7th biggest in the game.

You reap what you sow.

It has been a great match-up all week so far. I’m sure that to all three servers it looks like the other two are colluding against them (it certainly LOOKS that way from an IoJ point of view) but i highly doubt that is really the case.

We’ve had some awesome battles each day and night this week and hopefully they will continue.

But I’m sorry SBI as much as i have enjoyed fighting you guys – you don’t belong in the tier of enjoyment (tier 2), you belong in tier 1. Fact is you’ll smash bit IoJ and BG by 200K or so, by virtue of population as Rodarin says above. We can’t compete with the round the clock zergs that SBI put up. But it’s nice to see when the numbers are close so are the battles. Sad thing is whoever ends up in T2 next week is likely to see ET… and their just not as much fun as you guys…..

BG is giving us a hell of a fight at the moment and it only adds to the enjoyment. Currently we’ve got our nose ahead of them and hopefully we can keep it that way.

The quaggan lightning can easily kill off siege. If you don’t control the quaggans it hits random targets (anywhere on the map that are opposed to the team controlling them) very regularly and a couple of hits will take out siege no problems.

Not saying this is what happened, but could be a possibility.

So much trash talk… from the trash…..

SBI expected to walk in and dominate against the other two teams in T2. When it didn’t happen they started getting organised after they realised how embarrassing this had the potential to be.

Both IoJ and BG had outmanned buffs and practically no queues after about 9 hours of play on almost all pvp maps. Neither team gave up or chose to team up.

It’s been a super first day and a half, not sure why all the kittening whingers have to post on here to try and do some kitten stroking. Obviously something to do with their own insecurities….

Seriously? The fact is you had the queues, so your numbers were all there on the map already.

We held off repeated attempts from your zerg and SBI’s much bigger (and better co-ordinated) zerg. We pushed you both out a few times and had some great fights.

Then your guys start running vertically up the walls and the server crashes. And by the time we are back online you’re in the keep (obviously it’s much closer to your spawn than ours.

The server going down is the WHOLE reason you got the keep.

Perhaps i didn’t explain it properly. They were running up the VERTICAL part of the wall. They were not on top of the wall, or running along the edge of the wall, they were running up a vertical surface. And then the server (only that Borderlands) went down.

But you reckon that is normal? If you say so. Like I said , join the dots.

I know that treb was there for hours – we were continually repelling both you and SBI. Suddenly the Borderlands go down and when we log in you guys finally take the garrison when you couldn’t take it after hours of trying.

GG.

Yes, we were holding garrison and saw a number of Blackgate players magically running up the walls at the back of garrison and suddenly the server crashed.

Then we log back in as fast as possible and a BG zerg is already inside garrison….. join the dots.

Moa Malady.3176:

Who wants to bet that everyone opposed to forced balance is on a server that’s already winning? Or at least, doesn’t actually know how very, very difficult it is to get back from a losing battle?

I find it ironic that your post with it’s massive, offensive generalization is just below mine ;-)

Gankfest.4965:

Lame… You can’t play a month of a bracket and claim being undefeated.

Agree. Not much of an achievement really. While I respect TA for the way they set up and ran for the initial period….. This is like turning up to the olympics, dominating your first couple of heats and going home.

Yes, TA were an unstoppable force while they were in the game. Yes, they were well organised both before and after launch. Yes, they dominated for a month. But what did they achieve? Being the best alliance for a month? Wow, that’s a record that will never be broken.

mcl.9240:

…. lots of really good, logical and salient points….

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This. Well put mcl. From my point of view you are spot on. But the whingers/quitters will not see it. They believe they are entitled to have everything handed to them on a platter. They constantly look for the excuses why they lose and never think of being part of the solution.

Every second week my server (IoJ) is up against a force that is way bigger than us (it’s been ET the last two times). We constantly come second by a fair way in our tier 2 battles. But do we give up? Do we whine on the forums incessantly about the huge population imbalance? No. In fact you’ll see very few posts from IoJ people whining about it (there’s even one currently up thanking ET for a fun week). We try and address the imbalance by positively recruiting people into WvWvW rather than crying about a bigger zerg.

On top of that – right up until server reset you’ll see guilds in WvWvW toughing it out in the trenches even though there is no way we can win the matchup. Why? Because we PvP for the PvP. Not for the scoreboard, not for the accolades, but for the PvP. If you’re doing it for other reasons, well, I think you’re doing it wrong. A target rich environment is a thing of beauty.

IoJ is a great place – no whingers or quitters – just team mates fighting past our last breath until the match ups reset. Then we take another breath and start fighting again. Come on over sometime.

Disagree with the badges of honor suggestion. Same problem as currently exists – scrubs will just do jump puzzles endlessly (well x4 a day) to get badges.

Again – It does not mean you are a good commander.

I’m not sure of a good solution honestly – voting systems rarely work for these types of things as numbers often win out over skill in such cases.

If it stays as it is (which is one viable option) people just end up ignoring commanders because the scrubs are not worth listening to. Eventually many people will know which commanders on their server are worth listening to and actually have an impact.

Renown for guilds or individuals in WvWvW might be one way to go where at certain levels of guild renown they can appoint a commander….. Not sure really – but rewarding people for just gathering gold or badges totally devalues the commanders at the moment.

The fact that any scrub who can farm / scam 100g can be a commander makes it worthless in the first place. How does farming / scamming 100g make you a good WvWvW commander?

Simply, it doesn’t. There are a handful of good commanders out there who communicate well and lead well. The vast majority are useless tools hanging their kittens out for show.

On top of that I totally agree with making commanders a little more useful – but get rid of the scrubs first.

The commander tag should be earned & respected and should have value in a battle. At this stage it has neither.

Actinotus.6410:

Raze.5420:

Would be nice if the forum allowed me to quote properly…. but anyway….

I disagree. HoD and IoJ have large oceanic populations but looking at various guild lists SoS has by far the greatest number of oceanic guilds.

I’m sorry, but i fail to see where number of guilds on a guild list = population. The simple fact that those guys we all love… RUIN have 2000 members and my guild for example has about 15 just makes your argument non-sensical and poorly thought out in the extreme.

Fact is last week the IoJ oceanic population smashed the oceanic population on SoS (see that is why i put in perhaps they were better….) and this week the sheer numbers of ET’s oceanic guilds (obviously not skill at all, just numbers (that’s tongue in cheek for those who fail comprehension)) are keeping IoJ down in oceanic prime time. last week HoD did exactly the same to ET.

How can you possibly say, with any shred of credibility, that SoS has a larger oceanic population?

Let’s not argue on this. How about we agree that SoS and IoJ, being the “unofficial oceanic servers”, have the largest oceanic populations.

I would suggest that guilds on ET and HoD are generally more WvW focussed than SoS. This does not mean they have more oceanic payers, rather they have oceanic guilds who play WvW a lot and are very good at it.

As an aside, I have a lot of respect for IoJ and believe they are the #5 ranked guild in my opinion. I believe this is in part because they have always had more NA timezone players than SoS and recently had done a good job recruiting more (which is something we hope to now do on SoS).

Happy not argue about it. :-)

@lolitsage – here I was thinking this thread was in the WvW forum…. and we were talking about recruiting for WvW. Yes, people and or guilds who PvE only obviously have an influence on the population. But given the thread topic and the forum it is in, don’t you think your comment is a bit disingenuous?

Would be nice if the forum allowed me to quote properly…. but anyway….

I disagree. HoD and IoJ have large oceanic populations but looking at various guild lists SoS has by far the greatest number of oceanic guilds.

I’m sorry, but i fail to see where number of guilds on a guild list = population. The simple fact that those guys we all love… RUIN have 2000 members and my guild for example has about 15 just makes your argument non-sensical and poorly thought out in the extreme.

Fact is last week the IoJ oceanic population smashed the oceanic population on SoS (see that is why i put in perhaps they were better….) and this week the sheer numbers of ET’s oceanic guilds (obviously not skill at all, just numbers (that’s tongue in cheek for those who fail comprehension)) are keeping IoJ down in oceanic prime time. last week HoD did exactly the same to ET.

How can you possibly say, with any shred of credibility, that SoS has a larger oceanic population?

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Bump.

Sea of Sorrows has the largest Oceanic playebase in the game. Come make a difference Americans.

Sea of Sorrows does not have the largest Oceanic playerbase in the game, not even close. Precisely because it was chosen as an “unofficial” Oceanic server is why many Oceanic guilds did not roll on it. IoJ proved last week they have a larger (or better?) Oceanic timezone presence and I know from experience ET has a larger Oceanic presence than IoJ and HoD have an even bigger one still….

It’s always the same people QQ’ing about the same issue. For Pete’s sake just give it a rest.

So many lies and half-truths also being told.

- ….“a minority of the population that log on the cap everything while 90% of the playerbase sleeps.” ? Really – rubbbish. 90% ay? Have you ever played in other peoples prime? It’s definitely not walking around an empty borderlands capping keep as we sing rock anthems. Apart from the rock anthems bit, it never happens. Perhaps you should look at improving the quality of your night crew, because numbers are more often than not spread amongst all three sides (there are some exceptions, but on my server (IoJ) in our Oceanic prime we have never faced empty servers, not once throughout the 24hr and 1 week matchups). It just a bunch of ill-informed lies.

- “tons of people are complaining” – not true. The same tiny minority of players are complaining. The VAST majority of players who play in the same timezone as the whiners are not complaining. They are the majority and they actually seem to be having fun in WvWvW (even though the sheer amount of posts by this same group of peopole would have you believe this is impossible).

- “It’s not fun after day two.” – Your opinion. The thousands of people in WvWvW all the way through the week would disagree.

- “Even a medium population server should be able to fill most battlegrounds.” – If this is the case (posted by one of the most vocal and frequent posters for the anti-nightcapping minority) then what is the problem. If even medium servers can fill the queues and negate the large population how can you argue that nightcapping is an issue? Credibility = 0.

It’s always the same names – that tiny minority having a whinge about the world ending “night capping”. Thousands and thousands are actually playing and (OMG!) enjoying WvWvW no matter what time zone they are in.

It’s always the same small minded minority who get on the forums to have a sooky la la. Happens every game. The minority forum whingers think that if they whine loudest that means they must be right and things will have to be changed to suit them.

Why is it that it is always the same ignorant people peddling their trash about the “massive” issue of night capping?? If you trolls hadn’t noticed – you are in the minority. The are thousands of players who play in US prime on US servers or EU prime on EU servers that are (OMG!!!) still playing and enjoying WvWvW. They haven’t quit, they don’t spend 90% of their day on these forums having a sooky la la tantrum.

They are the majority – you are not.

Swiftkiller – while I agree wholeheartedly – I just find the fact that you completely copied someone else’s post abhorrent.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Late-night-guilds-capping-our-maps/first#post258859

what exactly are you trying to do? Be a big man?

Oxe.6142:

You people are ridiculous. Complaining because people play at different times than you do? Seriously? I’ve seen a lot of bull on forums, but this has got to be the biggest pile of it.

Rofl… either you did not read the OP thread or you have no idea oif what the word “sarcasm” means.

Try harder.

Reese.4183:

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And he might look like a whining idiot, but you people playing out of your timezones and wanting to have the same impact on world than the players from the server’s timezone are selfish, you have nobody against you at night besides NPC’s and you are capturing empty forts. So OF COURSE what you achieve should count for less. Right now, the WWW is just totally ruined by that.

Wow…. you don’t make yourself look like a whining idiot…. just stupid. To suggest that in my Prime we have no one against us is just plain wrong and ignorant. Every night from the daily match-ups through the weekly match-ups, my server (IoJ) has been up against similar or greater forces. And in fact the pvp is way better than during faceroll US prime time where it is all about who can get their zerg of 200 facerolling “pvp’ers” in place first.

In my prime WvWvW is about small and medium scale pvp – tactics and skill. So stick your head back in the sand and stop having a whinge about something you obviously know absolutely nothing about.

Xandax.1753:

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Trust me, I’m a sucker for small scale PvP. It’s all I do – that’s why I tend to love PvP in the jumping puzzle. That being said, that couldn’t in any sense of the word be considered small scale PvP. Smaller than the 100vs100 lagfest you see at primetime? Sure, but not the 5vs5 battles in “open world” that I would prefer. More like 5vs40 or 40vs5 depending on what side you are on.

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I totally agree. As an Oceanic small scale pvp is at it’s best in our prime. I would rather stab my eyes out with a cucumber than join a 200 man zerg and faceroll my way to a win.

Corinne.1724:

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Your “prime time” and my “prime time” will never be the same, but the “prime time” of my server zone will always be the same because I am from Europe and you clearly talks about US.

Europe is totally different from US. We are mainly playing all in the same timezone with a few exceptions.

I repeat again so you can understand, I dont care about points or nightcapping, I just want challenged fights during my “prime time” when all servers are capped.

And, what is the problem of different type of servers? You can have your 24/7 ladder and I can have mine only for “prime time”.

I find your post almost insulting. I’m not a US player at all – I’m an Oceanic. I’ll say it again so you can understand – saying that we PvDoor and Wall is offensive and ignorant in the extreme. It is in our prime that I honestly think pvp is at it’s best because there aren’t giant zergs trying faceroll themselves against each other. Small group pvp is what happens in my Prime.

So please don’t try and categorise me or change what you posted.

Kracin.6078:

Raze.5420:

Kracin.6078:

azizul.8469:

Clever.7918:

Who’s ET? This is SBI vs HoD.

and its pretty obvious that the rest of the server doesn’t want to deal with going from 250 points back to 0 every single night, and then having to hear how awesome hendge is because they have ridiculous coverage (definately not skill, lets not get into how bad they were losing when queues were up all weekend ).

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lol…. This was exactly my assessment of last week ET vs. IoJ and SoS…. but the difference was we didn’t just chuck in the towel and turn into quitters….

nope, you just wait until monday when the queues become easymode for you… then you take everything with ease and post on the forums how you dont quit.. when in reality, you just hang out in last til the winners can’t stay on the field, then score goals when no one is looking

Rofl…. see now you just make yourself look silly. I’m actually from IoJ and last week the exact things HoD is doing to you is word for word exactly what happened last week. You guys are all so tough when you’ve got the numbers, but the moment you come up against someone with a bigger presence than you you turn into a giant pack of whiners and quitters. IoJ guilds were fighting till Friday night last week and we didn’t have to server hop to recruit, block siege or lead opposition forces astray……

So I know next week we’ll see your kitten kitten again. And we’ll have to put up with how you guys are better – all because of your superior numbers – not skill in any way, shape or form. Just a bunch of hot air bags…..

Kracin.6078:

azizul.8469:

Clever.7918:

Who’s ET? This is SBI vs HoD.

and its pretty obvious that the rest of the server doesn’t want to deal with going from 250 points back to 0 every single night, and then having to hear how awesome hendge is because they have ridiculous coverage (definately not skill, lets not get into how bad they were losing when queues were up all weekend ).

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lol…. This was exactly my assessment of last week ET vs. IoJ and SoS…. but the difference was we didn’t just chuck in the towel and turn into quitters….

Nick.3926:

I know your post is sarcastic, but you do realize you are playing on a NA server right? NA as in NORTH AMERICA, the continent. The one in which you are not a part of.

Yeah I know your post is unintelligent…. but do you relaise that players from the rest of the world play on those servers? You know, the rest of the world that you’re not a part of?

Ashanae.9362:

Yet another night capping and “great” solution post.

lol…. I take it you didn’t actually read the OP……. or perhaps you had a reading comprehension fail……

Totally agree with the OP. Those sneaky NA players capping while I am asleep or at work are soooo frustrating that I just had to post to have a sooky la la about them.

I find it hilarious….. Last week Ruin (and other ET guilds) were telling IoJ and SoS how awesome their Oceanic / Asian presence was and that made them the most awesome guild ever to play any MMO ever…..

Now they are whingeing because someone else is doing the same to them? I guess they haven’t doing too much server swapping this week then?

Hilarious.

Because taking over a skeleton held keep should not reward the same as taking over a defended one.

You almost had a semblance of logic up until this point….. You obviously don’t play in my Prime which is of course different to yours. In our daily and weekly match ups there has never been such a thing as “skeleton keeps” – although play is totally different to what happens in your Prime.

WvWvW in my Prime is based around smaller groups, because, yes, there may be less people on – but each server has less people on. So what actually happens is that WvWvW is no longer based around rubbish zerg pvp, it’s all of a sudden actually based on group play and tactics and real pvp. Not mashing your 200 players against my 200 players. Tactics and skill actually mean something in my Prime. I play in your Prime regularly and it seems more about who can get their 200 keyboard facerollers to one place at one time.

So to all you whingers out there who never play in my Prime – please, stop the rubbish and the incessant whining. You obviously have no idea what actually goes on and you just have to have a massive sooky la la about the fact that your petty needs aren’t being met.

“I’m not trying to whine about “unfair” WvW situations etc. I’m trying to point out that the current situation benefits no one. It’s not fun for anyone. That’s what this is about.”

This is your OPINION. How can you possibly say it is not fun for anyone. It is not fun for you – that is the only fact you have.

Also, I agree, you’re not trying to whine about “unfair” pvp – you have succeeded in whining wholeheartedly. Congratulations on your astounding siccess. ANet have stated WvWvW is a 24 hour prospect – how is that so difficult to grasp?

Your “solution” completely devalues the efforts of some players and then completely overvalues the efforts of other players – how can you even postulate this is a viable solution when this the devaluing of YOUR effort is exactly what you have been whinging about?

Finally, I just love the way you pick and choose which posts to answer.

Raze.5420:

R E F L H E X.8413:

…….. talking rubbish about things you obviously know nothing about.

Yes he does, he uses vent to tell people what is going on while he stays there, the whole point of spying is to use vent and say they are doing this ….. blah blah blah

Seems like you are the one trying to make yourself look cool really…. So you played lits of GW1? Big deal so did I…. It matters for nothing. (Mind you in a previous post on another thread where you tried to push your barrow you said you had that silly looking name for 6 years, now you say you played GW1 for 7 years…. just curious did you change names?) You openly admit you have no idea what WvWvW is and your puerile explanation just shows your ignorance even more. If you had played even a small amount of WvWvW you would know what the spies do and what they are trying to do – none of them try and spy for 24 hours stretches. If you don’t like the game play something else. Just please, please, please stop whingeing. I honestly could not care less “what you call pvp”. You have an opinion – that’s great – so does everyone else.
Real WvWvW in this game can be a huge amount of fun… but that is my opinion. Fortunately I don’t try and ruin everyone else’s game with it.

Shadow’s post is spot on – 7 day CD on transfers and you can’t transfer to a server you are in WvWvW against.

R E F L H E X.8413:

Solves absolutely nothing.

The person that goes to the server to spy, COULD CARE LESS about not being able to go back. Why? If he goes back he CANNOT SPY. Therefore HIS PLAN is to STAY on that SERVER TO SPY until the MATCH IS OVER.

This post merely shows you have no idea what happens in WvW. He does not want to stay there for a long time. I’m sure most people have seen your posts with your PvE reasoning about this… so please – if you have an agenda that’s fine, but don’t start talking rubbish about things you obviously know nothing about.

And the spies are still happening – found a MERC (Sea of Sorrows Server) spy on IoJ and when i queried him he just laughed……

I have screens I can post… but would rather not be hit with the ANet stick….