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I’ve tried every recommendation that I could find on the forums to no avail..

Looks like a complete wipe and reinstallation of Windows didn’t do the trick either which is kind of annoying…

Crash Exception: c0000005

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  • Crash <—*
    Exception: c0000005
    Memory at address ffffffff could not be read
    App: Gw2.exe
    Pid: 3652
    Cmdline:
    BaseAddr: 013C0000
    ProgramId: 101
    Build: 34215
    When: 2014-05-29T04:26:46Z 2014-05-28T22:26:46-06:00
    Uptime: 0 days 0:03:47
    Flags: 0
  • System <—*
    Name: BLACKRAIN
    IpAddr: 192.168.1.101
    Processors: 4 [GenuineIntel:6:10:9]
    OSVersion: Windows 6.1 (64 bit)
  • System Memory <—*
    Physical: 4869MB/ 8086MB 60%
    Paged: 4487MB/ 8084MB 55%
    Virtual: 2600MB/ 4095MB 63%
    Load: 39%
    CommitTotal: 3596MB
    CommitLimit: 8084MB
    CommitPeak: 3600MB
    SystemCache: 2517MB
    HandleCount: 20292
    ProcessCount: 48
    ThreadCount: 737
  • Process Memory <—*
    Private: 1238MB
    WorkingSet: 1196MB
    PeakWorkingSet: 1208MB
    PageFaults: 1342911
  • Game Context <—*
    MapId: 54
    Flags: 0×241
    ElapsedTime: 00:03:34

Crash Exception: c0000005

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I just completely wiped this machine and reinstalled Windows 7. I got this on my previous image and now I’m getting this same problem…

any help? Its really ruining my GW2 experience :\

Crashing in PvP (with log)

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My stability in PvE and WvW is just fine. But as soon as I play some PvP the game will inevitably crash. Here’s my most recent crash log..can anybody tell me what I could do..

Here’s the pastebin

http://pastebin.com/WTuMXEn2

Glass Cannon Hybrid Dps (viable! Yay!)

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Can you list all the weapons thief can use?

I’ll just play around with different combinations and see what I like

Glass Cannon Hybrid Dps (viable! Yay!)

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Oh, I came on this forum SPECIFICIALLY to find a build like this

I just made my pure PvE thief and I just want her to do tons of damage and disappear. I’m looking more for a weapon combination since I am only lvl 8 so any advice on that front would be great

how i (not) fixed my radeon 7850 10fps issue

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Huh, thats odd. I have a Gigabyte 7850 on an i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz, and can max the game out no problems. The only time I really ever get below 40 FPS is during massive zerg vs zerg battles but even then, The lowest I’ve seen is 20FPS

I’m on AMD 13.2 as well…quite interesting…

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This is why I don’t have a girlfriend..

^^^I like to think this^^^^

When Minimum Requirements Are Not...

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You do know that since you DO have a legitimate copy of Windows 8, you can go ahead and download a LEGITIMATE copy of Windows 8 64 bit that ISN’T CRACKED that DOES NEED a VALID key from the internet….not all torrents are illegal…

WvW Phantasmal Jerk

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Finally hit 80 from my mesmer purely from WvW. Took me 110 hours lulz.

But anyways, lets get to the point. I’ve been running a pure Power/Precision build from level 1. I wanted to be a glass cannon.

To this day, I am still this philosophy, but I know that its not realistic.

My main goals for my mesmer are these
*Stay as true to Phantasmal build as possible
*Extract as much damage as I can from Phantasms and the Phantasmal build
*Focus 80% on damage 20% on survivablility

Been running Sword/Pistol/Greatsword since the beginning. Since I’ve been a pure glass cannon from the start, I’ve definitely learned how to get out of a sticky situation, quite effectively so that’s why I am only focusing 20% on survivability.

I just dropped 5G’s on auction house berserkers, WvW berserker weps, major runes, and sigils.

Question is, I want to be geared to all hell. What dungeons should I be running? I want to be a straight up JERK in WvW lulz.

Problems with in game video settings

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What he said^^
As a person with a 78** card, I can tell you that they overclock like a kitten on cocain.

My 7850 stock clocked struggled to get Crysis 3 maxed out, but with a pretty hefty OC, I was able to Max it out. I’ve OC’d my 7850 to ALMOST 670 levels. That will give you an idea of how high they can overclock.

But any of the cards basketcase listed will be sufficient.

For your specific rig, I’m Positive that a 500+ watt PSU will be just fine provided its from a reputable company. Try to stick with Antec, Seasonic, and try to avoid Raidmax, Rosewell, or any PSU that seems too good for the money.

Problems with in game video settings

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Your GPU is an entry level graphics card. Its not meant to play games, its meant as a card to play HD/ BluRay Media. To give you an idea of how weak it is check out these passmark benches

7470 – 367
7850 – 3665

LITERALLY 10 times as powerful. And the 7850 is a mid grade graphics card that is capable of maxing out GW2 no sweat.

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  1. Computer specs would help
  2. Try uninstalling and reinstalling (or updating) your graphics card drivers.

Odd framerate shenanigans

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Let me get you a comparison Between your processor and mine.
Your CPU @3Ghz was benched on Passmark as – 3737
Compare that to a stock 3570k @ 3.4Ghz – 7123

Keep in mind my processor is overclocked to 4.5Ghz and I STILL can reach 100% CPU usage during Zerg vs Zerg wars…

And I have a slightly weaker graphics card than you have, yet I get around 3 times the FPS performance maxed out.

Its DEFINITELY a CPU intensive game. As you can see.

The Original Crysis was (and still is) a very GPU heavy game, hence why you can max it out smoothly. GW2 is a very heavy CPU heavy game. Your 660Ti wouldn’t break a sweat running GW2 maxed out, by ANY means, its definitely your CPU.

BTW, your CPU was released a whopping 5 years ago in 2008. Your CPU is heavily dated.

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Laptop GPU question.

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The Asus G75VX has the superior graphics. Go for that.

SUPER LAGG

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Ouch. 2 things.

  1. You are clearly on a laptop as you’re running a mobile version of an outdated i3 dual core. That alone is a good portion of why you’re lagging
  1. is that you’re running a extremely low end 512MB MOBILE graphics card which was released 4 years ago. I would go into the technicalities of WHY your card is an extremely low end card, but its redundant to even try.

You’re never going to get any more FPS than you’re getting now. Simple as that.

FPS on i7 6 cores + highend SLI

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I made this thread to judge exactly how much of a difference a TRUE beast gaming rig is in GW2.

What I am asking for is anybody that has NO LESS than a Intel i7 3930k 6 Core (preferably overclocked) and ATLEAST a couple 66oTi/670/680’s in SLI or 7870/7950/7970’s in Crossfire. This might be a stretch to find but I’m posting it anyway. Anybody that has a crazy rig like this, I would like to know how your FPS, CPU and GPU usages are during a pretty decent zerg vs zerg battle/war

I want to know how much GW2 can tax an extreme end gaming machine.

For reference, my 3570k @ 4.5Ghz hit 100% CPU usage during a 40vs30 zerg war at EB…
Didn’t check my OC’d 7850 but I’m sure it was around the same usage as my CPU.

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Odd framerate shenanigans

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Its your processor. A 660Ti is MORE than capable of maxing that game out at a decent framerate (forgetting WvW)

For WvW reference, my weaker 7850 usually see’s almost 100FPS roaming WvW, and 30FPS during heavy zerg fights maxed out.

40 vs 30 zerg war yesterday on EB got my i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz to 100% CPU usage…

You need a processor/mobo upgrade STAT

My recommendations are i5 3570k/4670k + ASRock Extreme4 for a decent experience. More if you have the $$

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Smallest Asuran + mesmer + WvW

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I feel its MUCH easier to target a big kitten norm in a zerg than it is to select me. Assuming you can find me. >:)

I don’t know, I just feel REALLY smart rolling an Asuran mesmer lol

Smallest Asuran + mesmer + WvW

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I did this. I chose the smallest possible size for my Asuran Mesmer. I don’t know if any of you have dealt with an Asuran Mesmer but is it hell? I just want to know what the general opinion of this is? Am I trolling people as much as I think I am?

I think the biggest issue is #1 finding the real me (I’m a kittening Mesmer hur dur dur) and #2, targeting me.

Anybody?

In need of a upgrade... (Graphics Card)

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I can confirm that GW2 is a extremely CPU intensive game especially during all out wars.

Yesterday I was in EB in easily a 40 vs 30 zerg fight, and I noticed that my 3570k @ 4.5Ghz was at 99%. Even when I left the fight and was a good 40 seconds away, my usage was still at 90%

I have never witnessed a program or game ever stressing my CPU that much save for benching software. NEVER.

Regarding OP’s post, I think for the best performance, a complete system overhaul is in need. And even then you won’t get absolutely Ideal performance (There is still no such thing as 60FPS+ constant in GW2)

I would get a new Intel CPU, motherboard (for the Intel socket) and a GPU. I’m assuming you have a 6870 in your build, and that is not sufficient anymore for this game.

Maybe an i5 4670k, Asrock Extreme4, and a 7870. At that resolution, I’m sure a 7870 will be more than sufficient (for what its worth)

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I don't think I know how to play Mesmer

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I think you’re right. I need to refine how I execute my skills to be more effectice.

I think I’m ragging on myself a little too much, I just came back from a 3 month absence from the game.

I don't think I know how to play Mesmer

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Lol, this was more of a rant than anything else.

I still love mesmer, I ditched my Gaurdian for it. Once I hit 80 and get geared, I’m sure I’ll HAVE to learn my mesmer.

I just need to hit 80 and gear mahself

I don't think I know how to play Mesmer

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I’ve purely leveled my Asuran mesmer from level 19 to 67 purely from WvW, and nothing else. I have 80 hours on my mesmer. But yet I still don’t think I have much of an organized view of what I am truly doing.

I am currently level 67 running full zerker gear, 40% crit, pure precision and power, you won’t find a hint of toughness or vit in my armors. My main intention for my mesmer is to be a WvW DPS phantasm glass cannon machine. I have yet to ever “shatter” my phantasms, because I am trying to lay down the pain as much as possible while confusing the hell out of my enemies. The more phantasms and clones I have, the happier I am.

I run around WvW with Sword, Pistol, GS.

Usually I have GS equiped and start spamming #1, and #4, then switch to sword, and based on the situation either go for #5 pistol stun, and then #3, and #4 skills.

All the other skills are used based on when I think I need them. My problem is I don’t think I am very effective. I don’t die very much, and I do bring a good amount of damage, and I can get out of a sticky situation somewhat effectively, but I feel I can get OUT of a situation more effectively than I can put myself INTO a situation, I don’t feel like I am playing my mesmer SMARTLY..

I have NO understanding of confusion, reflection, or any of the other terminology of mesmers.

I basically run around WvW spamming skills I don’t even pay attention to the conditions I have on me.

uhhhh…help?

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Come to ET or FC

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FC is a great choice, as I am from that server.

Yes we are the least populated server, but god kitten you wouldn’t care.
Absolutely no queuing times (been playing since December, I didn’t even KNOW there was such thing as a queue time for WvW up until about 3 minutes ago while reading this thread)

Joining our server will get you a plethora of commanders that really do care about how you play and help you adapt. This is the precise description about how I got into an amazing Guild, The United Centurions (TuC)

Regarding what FilthyRat rat said above regarding taking on a 30 man ET zerg over a 5 man FC squad, your VERY right..

God last night, at ET borderlands, our 10 man squad alone was killing LEFT and RIGHT 30 plus man ET zergs. Our crowning achievment was last night right after the server reset. We had probably a mini zerg of about 20 going, and we DOMINATED a 60 plus ET zerg.

We are VERY smart with how we play WvW. Our server HAS to resort to tactics as thats all we can use, we don’t have the sheer player base that SF does, but we aren’t as unorganized as ET.

If you come to FC, your going to get a VERY good experience with how WvW should feel on a much smaller more managable level, but a level that will still challenge you, making you think outside of the box.

Join TuC. Best guild I’ve ever been in, we are extremely tactful, and with 5 commanders in the guild, we know our kitten.

If you EVER see 4-6 TuC players and they happen to be almost all Gaurdians, I would run…..run like HELL!

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iZerker damage nerf?

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Wait. is this a major downpoint for mesmers in WvW?

I’m currently working on a pure WvW Mesmer, and I was planning a very high DPS build.

How well will this PC run GW2?

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With that low of a resolution, and a decently powerful graphics card like that, I don’t really see how you won’t be able to play the game maxed out at a comfortable 40 FPS minimum

The processor might limit that, but that low resolution is also a HUGE part in FPS…

Can this PC run Guild Wars 2?

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I can make you a $500 pc with an SSD that will be able to sport a much more powerful 7850 graphics card which will be able to play the game decently completely maxed out.

Or $400 without an SSD.

Screen Tearing Issue?

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Sorry. Mean’t 60. Nice catch

Screen Tearing Issue?

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Screen tearing almost always has to deal with V Sync being off. I don’t know if your willing to turn it on and always have 30 FPS locked.

Are you on the latest AMD drivers?
13.1 just came out a few days ago, try installing that and see what happens

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right mouse button

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Huh. I would recommend 2 things.

First try reinstalling your mouses drivers. Fix could be as simple as this. If not..
Try reinstalling Guild Wars 2. I’ve noticed any problem I’ve had with Guild Wars 2 was remedied by a clean reinstall.

Video Card/Graphics Question

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I’ve been building computers for 15 years, from gaming rigs to hosting farms. My advice was spot on, that CPU is not going to limit the GPU, I don’t even know where you would get that idea from. In order to make even better use of the system he would have to upgrade his MB, PSU, RAM, & Video. There’s no other cheaper choice than the video card I listed and it WILL run all your games much better even if your CPU is dated.

Do not listen to SaadBaig, you would be completely wasting your money on that POS card.

This is so wrong, I’m not even going to bother responding to this

OP, I would suggest you get a 650 7770, or 6670

All these cards will not perform at their fullest due to your CPU being over 4 years old, but they should increase FPS performance a little bit

Hope this helps

Steam and Guild Wars 2

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Nope, Steam will not have any effect on the performance of the game.

Enjoy the in-game features of Steam on GW2

Who are you people?

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Because I actually ENJOY helping people. Computer are my passion and your problems mean I can spend time researching stuff that I already know and love.

Awww yea

YOUR FPS

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I want to make a thread based solely on the rigs you people are running and the frame rates you seem to be getting. Since Lions Arch is the defacto standard, we’ll use that at a reference. Walk around a bit and see the range your in. Also post your specific system specs. I think this should give ArenaNet a reference to come to.

Be specific where its needed. I don’t need to know you have a blu-ray drive :P

Here we go

System:
i5 3570k OC @ 4.5ghz
Asrock Extreme4
8GB 1600Mhz Mushkin RAM 9-9-9-11
Gigabyte 7850 2GB 256bit graphics factory OC @ 960mhz
Mushkin Chronos 120GB SSD

Lions arch FPS: 25-50
World: 30-60

Will My System Benefit From SLI

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Temps temps temps. If you keep your temps down overclocking is a GREAT reward. Temperatures is the game and if you keep that down your good to go. Overclocking WILL get you a FPS boost, this is none debatable. Overclocking is really THEE only way to get the only performance you can really get..

Spend $40 on a Hyper 212+ and PK1 and you’ll be able to hit 4.5Ghz ATLEAST and get atleast 5-8 FPS more.

Overclocking your graphics card is the same concept. Keep your temps down and you’ll be perfectly safe.

These 2 things will give you a minor boost..

I would invest in an SSD. I would go into why, but honestly, its kind of common sense if you’ve built your own rig.

If your a little hesitant about overclocking, I am MORE than willing to help you. Computers are my passion. I just turned 20 and work a degree based position at IBM, even though I do not have a degree. I know what I am talking about, and I actually get EXCITED when I can help a person with their computer issues. Thats why even with my currently healing hand I was able to bust out this post…

Seriously, give me a PM and I can help you overclock very safely without EVER having to worry about your CPU/GPU dying.

(To give you an Idea, I’ve hit 4.7Ghz stable safetly on this i5 3570k using a $30 cooler and $10 thermal paste and good knowledge about overclocking AND attaining a STABLE 50% overclock on my 7850 graphics card on the stock cooler that came with my card. Yes 50%!! I was actually neck and neck with stock 670’s at almost half the price. I know what I’m doing, and I can help you know what your doing

PM me bruh

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Will My System Benefit From SLI

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I’m going to give you all the information you need in this one post. I broke my hand 1 month ago, so I hope you appreciate the time I put into this

Some of the posts people made are very misinformative. Therefore I am going to touch on everything in this one post.

You wanna know whats the most graphically demanding game currently out? Crysis 2 (if you think this, I’m VERY sorry)? Battlefield 3? Crysis 1 (If you thought this over Crysis 2, atleast you know a LITTLE :P) No son. Its Guild wars 2.
This game isn’t optimized by ANY means. But its also drivers that are to blame. With time manufacurers will mature their drivers to games, but this takes time. SLI will not give you the performance you need. I just read about a guy that has 2 SLI GTX 680’s which hover around 50% each, and he still experiences lag for one major reason. SLI needs a game that has compatibility for SLI. Guild Wars 2 does not have SLI compatibility. Strapping another 670 will get you a performance increase, but you will be getting under 60 FPS. staying above 60FPS is currently impossible in GW2.

Another thing. Your card is boss. Your SPECIFIC card is only 4.5% slower than a stock 680. Overclock your graphics card, and you’ll trounce a 680 ANY day. I can safely say you run one of thee most powerful graphics card you can buy today. With this in your brain, buying a 680 is pointless. COMPLETELY pointless. Anybody saying drop $1000 for a 690 has no idea what they are talking about because a 690 is 2 680’s in SLI, and what did we just learn about SLI?

Unfortunately, your probably only 10% away from getting the best possible performance you can get out of Guild Wars 2 at this point…

If we forget about the games optimization and your cards drivers (both of which you can’t control) extracting that last 10% is going to come from overclocking BOTH your graphics card and CPU.

Your CPU is good. Its not the bottleneck of your system, by ANY means.I (specifically for this post) went to Lions Arch after I downclocked back to the stock 3.4Ghz on my i5 3570k, and ran around. I have a Logitech G510 keyboard, which has a screen so I was able to monitor my CPU usage the entire time without leaving the game, and you know what happened? I NEVER went above 70% CPU usage AND thats on top of having 9 programs running, AND 8 tabs open in Chrome. The HIGHEST I saw an individual core go up to was 80%. In comparison, my overclocked Gigabyte 7850 2GB graphics card? Was NEVER below 95% usage when I was walking around Lions Arch (I was logging its usage through GPU-Z). Guild Wars 2 does rely on CPU, but it is FAR more GPU intensive than CPU. Your CPU is not your bottleneck. However, Guild Wars 2 is not designed to take advantage of all 4 cores you have. Since it only uses 2 cores, those 2 cores need to be powerful. overclocking a CPU WILL give you a boost in your FPS. Your perception that overclocking a CPU will degrade the CPU is correct and incorrect at the same time. Overclocking a CPU requires 2 things. Increasing the amount of instructions a CPU does (your GHz rating) and increasing the voltage to give more power to increase the amount of instructions your CPU can do. If your on the stock Intel cooler, you can safely overclock to around 3.8-4.0 without having to really worry about temperatures. For example, on my i5 3570k on the stock cooler @ 3.4ghz, I would actually reach the highest recommended temp of 85c during a Prime95 test bench, which is designed to take your CPU to 100% usage on all cores. Once I installed a MUCH better cooler, I was able to overclock to a hefty 4.6Ghz and reach 86c tops during a stress test. Will this CPU last 6 years if I kept this overclock? No doubt. The point I am trying to make here is that overclocking does NOT kill your CPU, the temperatures you attain DOES!!

Posts are limited to 5001 words, so I have to split this up into 2 posts

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Video Card/Graphics Question

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I have to diagree with Guy Sintrail. The cards he listed are a complete waste on your CPU….

A graphics card is only as good as the CPU its on. Think about it, if you have a very powerful graphics card that can max out any game, but a CPU that can’t take in all the data from that graphics card, whats the use? The AMD Athlon X2 is a dated CPU, and its not very powerful (compared to todays standards). The card Guy Sintrail recommended you is a decently powerful card that needs a decently powerful CPU to feed its data to.

Unfortunately, the bottleneck in your computer is your CPU. FORTUNATELY you are realistic and know you can’t max the game out.

For your CPU I would recommend an AMD 6670. Any card more powerful than a 6670 is a waste on your computer simply because the CPU cannot processes as fast as the graphics card is processing it. I can tell you this with real world experience as I ran a AMD 6670 on an Intel Xeon Dual Core at 3.2Ghz AND THE CPU WAS STILL A BOTTLENECK.

You don’t (and shouldn’t) spend $200 on a graphics card when your only going to put it on a $70 processor..

Get this $50 (after mail in rebate) card (which if you want a comparison, will fully max out Skyrim) and play GW2 better.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102988

You don’t need an extra PSU, you just drop in the card and your good to go

If you want a serious boost, I can build you a $400 computer with the same graphics card I run in my $1200 computer that’ll max out any game today

I hope this was helpful

Radeon HD 7970 - Unusually low FPS?

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Yes. The Phenom X6 1090T is one of AMD’s best processors, but even then, your CPU is still lacking, especially with one of the most powerful graphics cards you can buy today.
Most Games today (including GW2) have yet to take advantage of more than 2 cores. The game with the highest multiple core usage is Battlefield 3, and that is designed to use 4 cores. You have 6 cores, but Guild Wars 2 is probably only able to use 2 of those cores or 33% of your available CPU..in this situation, having more powerful cores will get your farther than just having more cores

To give you an example, I get the same frame rates as you on a i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz on a overclocked Gigabyte 7850 @ 960mhz COMPLETELY maxed out..

Its a known fact that AMD processors just don’t even come close to stacking up to Intel processors, and unforunately in your case thats showing by running the 2nd (or 3rd) fastest graphics card you can buy on a “okay” processor..

OC that 1090T like Rampage said, you’ll DEFINITELY get a FPS boost, but to answer your question, your CPU is stopping your card from performing at its fullest..

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