Guild Wars 2

Roul.3205:

It seems kinda unnecessary to me to stop doing / approving dungeon records because of a reward nerf. I actually wish I could bring some guilds to break the old icebow records as this is possible now.

Also, it is still faster than gokus and mikus double war with 25 stacks bloodlust and 1 goat duo, 1 year old but still. I’m aware of the 3 huge mistakes in this run, 2 of them weren’t even caused by me, but it is still a good time whatsoever.

You must also understand that DPS has gone up immensely since then. It would be like saying your Ferrari beat a Honda Civic around the race track. Even though the Honda had a supercharged engine.

To respond to the second part of your statement, mistakes are still mistakes. Although I haven’t done as many records as guys like vC or other DnT members have, I have learned a huge lesson about premature posting.

When we posted a 7 minute Arah P3 out of anxiousness and excitement, we quickly heard back from respected friends that this was a terrible idea. With that, we took the two cents given to us and applied it to future circumstances.

If anything, I’m trying to pass the knowledge on to you as I frankly have no interest in this game whatsoever other than the “amazingly challenging” once a week raids.

I’m not trying to come off as salty or disrespectful, but you must clearly understand that your record, while it may be a respectable time, has TONS of room for improvement.

Just giving you a few things to think about.

To respond to another one of your statements.

“It seems kinda unnecessary to me to stop doing / approving dungeon records because of a reward nerf”

I never did tell you to stop doing them. I’m just telling you the truth you probably didn’t want to hear. It is the truth I hate to hear myself as someone who absolutely loved dungeons (Arah jokes incoming).

I really wouldn’t count on this getting approved anytime soon.

I don’t know how many people are even dungeon approvers at this point.

Frankly, no one really cares about dungeons anymore, which really doesn’t help motivate people to watch/approve them.

In the team time id almost suggest improving your duo time if thats something you truly want to do.

I briefly glanced over this run and I found a lot of room for improvement.

Sorry I couldn’t continue for the rest of the record.

Great work o/

Maybe it’s time to think of a new guild name, [rP].

Koen: 23s in his inventory but also 66 bags of coins in his inventory.

I don’t even know what to say.

Approved.

This was really solid to watch.

Great Work!

Approved

Your Lupi RNG was beautiful!

Approved, will add to the website tomorrow!

Hey guys,

It seems as though Staff has climbed far over S/D for soloing Brie on Elementalist.

I thought this would be worth sharing.

Enjoy o/

http://youtu.be/laesQEtRFTg

I’ve marked them all and I promise I’ll get to them.

I’ve just been busy irl, ill get them done within the week.

Approved, adding to website tomorrow.

Approved, adding to website tomorrow.

Approved, adding to website tomorrow.

Approved, adding to website tomorrow.

Approved, will add to website tomorrow.

Approved.

Great work

Ambro specially requested it! LOL

Check our new 6:29

Hey guys o/

We reworked some of our ideas and tactics in order to give us a much cleaner and faster run. We still think the run can be sped up a bit, but this will be good for now.

As always, enjoy the run!

Guild: Death and Taxes [DnT]
The Ruined City of Arah Path 3
17/07/2015, game build 50,837
Restricted time: 6m, 29s

Participants:
Mesmer | Ravi | Saix.4126 | http://youtu.be/s2UqNonfMAg (Gamebuild at 4:54)

Thief | Ecori | EcoRI.9273 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?edit=vd&v=8IORw_maIxI

Elementalist | Targ | Nyspar.6103 | https://youtu.be/UeSh5U2F_Ik

Elementalist | Andrew | Sirius.2938 |

Warrior | Ambro | AmbrosialK.2653 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WTtlJu2ATk

Special thanks to Moon for providing us with ridiculous amounts of food and Unratedx.2794 (Justin) for helping us with the record until his ping became unbearable.

China>NA & EU

Element Two.7316:

Saix.4126:

The change to movement speed hurts

I think your mesmer getting knocked down twice and being in combat for half of the run was the bigger issue here

At least you got past Wraithlord’s Servants without wiping though, unlike us :^)

You could say I got my butt “handed” to me. (Puns are fun)

Hey guys,

DnT here with the current meta Arah record! Other than the sketchy Mesmer run, and bugged ritual, this was a fairly decent attempt.

The change to movement speed hurts, but we’ll be back with sub 7 in a few days.

For now, enjoy the run!

Guild: Death and Taxes [DnT]
The Ruined City of Arah Path 3
16/07/2015, game build 50,837
Restricted time: 7m, 1s

Participants:

Mesmer | Ravi | Saix.4126 | http://youtu.be/aQ3ce8P6upY

Thief | Ecori | EcoRI.9273 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwWcQ8FwI0&edit=vd

Elementalist | Targ | Nyspar.6103 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLw4g6vG4w

Elementalist | Andrew | Sirius.2938 |

Warrior | Ambro | AmbrosialK.2653 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjT9I728gho

Note: We understand that no game build has been provided. The record approver who reviews this video can clearly see this is a post patch submission due to the new Hero panel icons as well as the new inventory gold panel.

Note: Im typing on a mobile keyboard so there may be some grammatical errors.

Ive been pretty quiet towards these threads as I dont really like the direction they take but I have some issues I’d like to address.

I understand the intentions and ideas behind the concept of weekly voting, but I feel like we are nitpicking on every tiny item. Isolating miniscule issues creates a lot of unneccesary debate and personally for me, lots of confusion in terms of what is now deemed acceptable and not acceptable.

It seems like new material needs to be found for these discussions each week and that should not be the structure behind them. In my opinion, these threads should only appear when a huge issue arises. Our record approvers should do the rest in terms of figuring out the minor issues which may or may not pass our standards.

On that note, I think we should revert our rulesets into the standard:

(Rules adapted from dtguilds.com tournament thread)

1.) No use of hacks or 3rd party software that allows players to perform acts that would be impossible without said means. This includes but is not limited to speed hacks, fly hacks, no-clip, teleporting.

2.) The records timer starts when any party member activates a skill or moves their model. This includes but is not limited to: taking a step, turning, jumping, etc. Using emotes will not result in the timer starting.

3.) The timer stops when the final boss of the dungeon has been killed.

4.) All pathways that are designed to block progress through the path must be opened. You may not have any party member(s) get past blocked passages until the required sequence/dialogue has been completed. Pathways that are open temporarily may be bypassed before they become sealed, i.e. Arah Path 3 door and Ascalonian Catacombs Story Mode gate.

5.) Consumables (excluding food/nourishment) and costume brawl items are banned. Use of any of these will result in your disqualification.

5a.) Event items such as the birthday blaster and other items are banned out of fairness of availability.

6.) If any party member(s) at any point enter ‘out of bounds’ on a dungeon map, the time will be void.

7.) If it is evident that your party has deliberately (or otherwise) abused positioning to disable a boss, your time will be void. This means safe spotting a boss, or bugging its AI to disable it.

8.) Deliberate abuse of event scripts is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, manipulating event spawns, disabling event mechanics, etc. All cutscenes within a dungeon that are relevant to the path must be triggered. NPC dialogue can be skipped or bypassed.

9.) No use of gem store boosters/items. This includes, but is not limited to, Strength boosters and Armour Boosters or Costume Brawl items.

10.) Party members may not switch character once the timer has begun. If a player disconnects, he may rejoin the run in progress however he must rejoin on the same character.

11.) Any disputes will be handled at the record staffs’ discretion. Staff decisions are final.

12.) Compression of AoE hitboxes by moving, blinking and/or dodging is banned.

If any particular issues or scenarios pop up, the record staff are more than happy to address them. After all, by dealing with things in a case by case mindset we have created various path specific rules.

Once again, I am not saying that I disagree with refining the wording of our rules. I personally believe reverting back to our previous ways will clear up confusion and stop the need for weekly debates.

Excellent work.

Record Approved

Note: Will add to the official website tomorrow.

Approved.

I can add it to the website later today/early tomorrow.

Deathly, at this point its not worthwhile for us to upload thief pov. Snow crows has beat us fair and square. (EU Exploits) Kidding.

Iris, the skip to alphard does and always has needed the runners PoV. There are an abundance of paths out of bounds that can be easily travelled to make the run faster.

It seems like lots of people are in favor to change the rules. I know there’s already been plans to clarify them.

Some clarification/removing of rules would be good.

That is perfectly fine, Cheezy.

Thats what some teams were planning on doing during the trio tournament incase strategies overlapped.

My earlier message is by no means salty. If you do think I am “salty” you are misusing the phrase and misinterpreting what I am saying.

And no Deathly. This record does NOT follow the rules. You should understand them as you are an approver. As I have stated above, this record clearly violates 1.) c.

With that being said, I do not think for one minute that SC cheated or manipulated the run in any way, shape or form.

I am great friends with the majority of Snow Crows and they beat our time fair and square.

What you seem to fail to understand is that we as a records community need to maintain a system as well as a general structure. Spoj is correct in stating that our rules are flawed and that they are being reviewed. That does not mean that we can approve whatever we personally deem fit. SC is a great trustworthy guild, but what happens if a new record guild comes out and does the same? Do we ASSUME that there mesmer and thief didnt take advantage of not having to record their PoV?

I’m not one to start drama or call fellow approvers “salty”, so I’ll leave it at this.

We as record approvers serve the community via agree’d guidelines.

Lets keep it that way.

1.) c. There must be at least one PoV that shows what’s going on within the dungeon, from start to finish. If at any point there is no video evidence of activities within the run, it’ll be denied.

There’s a huge difference between falling behind in a skip and having two completely undocumented skips.

We have no idea as to what the Thief or Mesmer is doing.

I trust SC and am good friends with Jerem. My concern isn’t whether or not I trust them, it’s simply just not following basic protocol.

How are you approving this record without thief or mes PoV provided?

Ahaha good game.

We can have some fun competition when I come back from exams. Sadly for now I don’t have time!

[DnT] and [Hawt] here with another record.

What would’ve been in the late 6:40’s or early 6:50’s was messed up due to lupi and a slow end boss. We were quite eager to get this one out as I now have to take a month’s break for exams. There were some rough spots but all in all a decent run.

The Ruined City of Arah: Path 3

21st of May 2015, game build 49,173

Restricted time: 7m, 3s

Guild: Death and Taxes [DnT] and Burning Speed [Hawt]

Mesmer (Mantra of Recovery – Ravi) PoV: http://youtu.be/KT_d2Nt4f-8
Thief (Quaggan of Shadows – Quaggan) PoV: Will add
Warrior (Fuego Destroys U – Fuego)
Elementalist (Summer Ravenwood – Robyn)
Elementalist (Cynn Soulpyre – Austin) Gamebuild PoV: http://youtu.be/E2IzSkhYTyQ

Huge shoutout to Moon from [DnT] for keeping the whole team stocked up on food. You’re always greatly appreciated buddy.

Enjoy the record, we’ll see you in about a month’s time with more!

-[DnT] & [Hawt]

Indeed.

It was brought up to me that stealth pulses were still broken, being tired I agree’d. After a few minutes I definitely did notice what you’re talking about.

On second glance it seems as though only the counter was updated.

Im pretty sure SR still provides proper stealth amounts. (Count 0)

On second glance it seems as though only the counter was updated.

Im pretty sure SR still provides proper stealth amounts. (Count 0)

You’re correct.

Editing main post.

Video link added.

@Jiyn, your times are a bit off sir.

3s/pulse is non traited where as 4s/pulse is traited.

Blasts are also only 2s a blast, they should be 3s a blast.

Video link added.

I have made a video showing what is still wrong with stealth.

This also been posted within the “bug” forums.

Thank you for your time.

EDIT: After speaking with friends, we’ve come to the conclusion that stealth is actually fine. It does seem as though the stealth counter was changed as the display time is slightly different per pulse. Otherwise, stealth times do seem to be the same.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiGhkW7o6FA

Stealth pulses from SR and stealth blasts from smoke fields only supply 2s per blast/pulse instead of 3.

EDIT: After speaking with friends, we’ve come to the conclusion that stealth is actually fine. It does seem as though the stealth counter was changed as the display time is slightly different per pulse. Otherwise, stealth times do seem to be the same.

Video Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiGhkW7o6FA

Its fine imo.

We are having a rule meeting soonish I think to discuss a couple rules and terms such as rule #5.

The same went for when D-(registers as kitten lol)erpy used lesser elemental glyph at lupi and swapped for arcane wave. If a skill has an active phase where it can be swapped then let it be swapped. If anet didnt want it to be that way it wouldn’t have, or it will change in the future.

I allow it. Especially due to the fact that there was no cheeky manipulation. Its simply just a skill swap.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Merry Christmas, I added it to the site for you. By the way, there’s currently a bug in the website that won’t let me add Sangi as a player, so once that’s figured out we can add him. For now I listed him as an unknown player, but with his correct character name.

I was encountering the same bug which is why I was going to wait until today to figure it out. Thanks for taking care of it Dusk.

Record Officially Approved.

Congratulations.

Edit: Ill add it to the website tomorrow.

Tagged.

Ill review it later today.

I’m not disagreeing with the fact that accurate timers are beneficial.

The obvious issue seems to be some people are consistently getting 3:02 as an end time, where as others are getting 3:03. The only logical reasoning to deal with this situation is to leave everything as is until a new record ( clocking in at 3:02 or 3:03 ) is submitted.

Fellow records administrator here.

Leave the record as is for now.

As my colleagues have stated above, if a new record is submitted matching the 3:02 SE P3 time, we will review the record at that time.

Competitive behavior is great, but childish quarrel and bickering reflects poorly on everyone.

Good work on the record qT.

Thief (Robby) – Kanzaki Tomoyo PoV added.

Elementalist 1 ( Austin) PoV added.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I think the second portal here is safer than the second portal [qT] used because in this case only the Mesmer has to run through the gauntlet, but they saved roughly the same amount of time in the end. What really saved a lot of time was the huge burst on Brie at 51% of her HP (dat Fire Grab). [qT] actually had a really slow Brie at the end. That and, of course, the GL RNG of this run is pretty spectacular.

Anyway, approved! Give it a couple minutes to show up on the record listing.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, Fuego’s name is just a joke based on the names Goku uses, right? That’s not actually Goku on an NA account? (Important for record-keeping)

The second portal is much better.

The point of it wasn’t really for run time. While Im getting close to the end of the run, the group can get to 25 might and get a huge burst off on brie. Sadly Austin’s fire grab didnt take it down as far as it has in the past!

Keep in mind this port puts a lot more pressure on the mes as if I die or get trolled by our technician friends the run is over.

Yeah! Fuego is NOT goku, he just made his warrior a tribute to goku’s.

Thanks again

maha.7902:

some next level portal strats there

i liked the use of duelist’s discipline on abom too, though im surprised you didnt take daze mantra for lupicus because you still get the vuln from it even though he doesnt get interrupted

Smart idea about the daze mantra.

Although that wasn’t really a concern as we should be capped out at vuln from glyph.

I’m a pretty nooby mesmer as is

Although RNG treated us well, we had a pretty sloppy run that can be beaten with some minor improvements here and there.

If we get some competition, we’ll be happy to beat our time

The Ruined City of Arah: Path 2
27 March 2015, game build 46,704
Restricted time: 9m , 25s
Kop [Tek]

Thanks to the team:

Mesmer (Ravi) -Shinonome Yuki PoV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkbe2tXtTBQ
Thief (Robby) – Kanzaki Tomoyo PoV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMNWogZIibg
Elementalist 1 (Austin) -Cynn Soulpyre PoV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4uqp7KsIt8
Elementalist 2 (Ambro) – Ambro
Warrior (Fuego) – Fuego Destroys U

Cheers!