Guild Wars 2

Ok guys looks like i was really in the wrong midset, it just felt to me that some things about the gem to gold and vice verca was really dodgy and guided.
I thank everyone that participated in this conversation and made some very good points and engaged in a creative and respectful manner.
Thanks for opening my eyes to how this whole system works.

Salonikios

I dont know what to think anymore, my mind is really confused….then…why play a game that doesnt reward you at all and only seeks to take from you?
Thanks for explaining to me the gem-gold, i was really in the wrong there, i know when to admit a mistake.

Guys you are missing the point,dont take into consideration the conversion, see it as a means to ruin the economy.
I mean its amazing to be able to buy gem store items for gold,am i right? But the point is that this creates a barrier that arena net doesnt understand that it can create issues with the game economy.
I like to talk with examples if you havent understood by now ^^,
Ex. I buy 500gold worth of gems and convert em into 500gold, now i have enough gold to play the market without any effort into the game in a matter of seconds,the richer u are = more power to you.
On the contrary a player that dedicates hours upon hours of grinding,yes i said grinding,gets much less in return,considerably much less.
Isnt that a direct result in the rewards as well? Meaning you get rewarded less and you are more frequently directed to the gem-gold conversion. :/
Am i the only one that sees it this way? :/

Quote : "Except, the thing is, gold to gem prices keep going up. Which means more players are turning gold into gems than turning gems into gold.

Your problem doesn’t exist."

What you are saying is the exact oposite, if more gems exist,that means gold goes up if more gold exist gems go up, so what you are saying is false in the first place.

If gold was more valuable and people made gold into gems then gems would be cheaper no? thats the point of a market, more gems=less gold meaning gold gets more value, not the opposite. Why is it so hard to understand you guys how value is made?

What i am trying to pass to you is that the gems dictate the amount of gold in the game, and since there was a pre-set amount of it ,it kick started the economy, now people,including myself have to recycle that gold over and over and over,some are even hoarding it in inactive accounts but that isnt the point.
The point is,that the market of the game is too much driven by gems,and as a follow up to that,so are rewards,meaning less rewarding stuff,more people buy gems to fill their need to buy something cool.
Hope i made it simpler to understand this time.

Well, that cant be true, cause i can buy lets say 10000000gems with real money and throw them into the game economy and rended gems worthless,people would be able to buy them for copper, do you really think that this system is so deeply player driven?
I havent seen the price of gems go down not a single big,they have been going up by the week and sometimes by the hour.

My main point is that you cant have a player driven economy with having a pure dependance on the gem store for players to make their gold purchases.
Every other game i played didnt have this system,where the ingame market would be connected with the revenue that the company makes from the game.
Its the main drive of this game,think about it,why does the precursors for legendaries cost almost the same,sometimes more to craft with the new system that was supposed to be “revolutionary” and “unique”? To create a fix price for them forever,thats why!
Everything in this game is around the gems,and why wouldnt it? If player A-Z got rewarded for their time invested in the game,then there wouldnt be a real use for currency purchasing ,now would be ?

It all comes down to business in the end.

When the game first launched,did the gold for gems was traded from players? I remember a whole different system at launch and it was dictated by arena net.
Now if they changed that and baptised it something else ,player to player trading for example, well…..i dont buy that story, also i dont believe that every time a new item appears in the gem store people are running to convert gold to gems at that time to make the purchase.
Also, the rate always favors the gem to gold and not the gold to gem, if its player to player trading only, why anet has a tax to it?
Its all regulated by arena net,its their lovelyhood,why would they leave something so important to players or chance hm? Thats my point of view.

Edit: A very well placed position from your part, trading from player to player couldnt be simpler by a trade system, without taxes,hidden walls etc.
( prices traded in the example are fictional)

ex. player A has 100g ,player B has 1000gems,boom,trade complete,simple honest player to player trading.

Also, i never said that the exchange is lowering prices, i said it increases them by gold inflation. As stated by some notary arena net staff, prices for certain items arent supposed to be so high,yet they are because some players are playing the market with those items,mystic coins for example.

Greetings my fellow krytans,

I want to talk today to you about a problem that i believe that everyone has become a witness of, in a number of ways.
Prices of items in the trading post inflate to heaven, prices of items being guided too high for the rarity of the item etc.

The biggest problem in my opinion is that the gold-gem store shouldnt be connected in the first place.
Yes you are eliminating gold sellers,but guess what they still exist,and its so easy to buy and sell gold and never get cought doing it if you are smart.( I dont embrace the idea of gold buying and selling,nor i urge you to do it.)

So if the arena net team would take away the gold -gems conversion and vice verca and isolate the game economy to just gold,i think that this would bring harmony to the game and open new ways to reward people, as sometimes i am getting the feeling that the event should reward more for the time i invested in it,yet it doesnt.

Its all connected,the game cant reward people enough because then people wouldnt feel the urge to buy gems to get the stuff they really want from the TP,thats also the reason we dont have player trading,no tax to be removed from the game after the sale had happened.

Now,if the gem store had some really cool items or skins of prestige that would make me say, " kitten ,i want this skin-item sooooo bad" i woul be happy to send some money arena nets way,just for selling a good product. But i believe that people get a false feeling that they actually saved money if they convert to gems with ingame gold.
So sad that this applies only to gold farmers or people with extremely lucky accounts(yea i believe that accounts are cherry picked to receive good drops, see bodydocks youtube channel,that guy just farts precursors for goodmorning).

To sum up, the game right now depends on a number of casino type minigames in order to reward-take away from you,witch in other mmo games doesnt exist on this scale,gw2 really takes gambling for good loot on a whole new level.

I am not trying to send hate or anything bad to arena net or to the dev team, as i am sure that they are amazing people and are trying to make this game a better place for us to pass our free time in.
What i am trying to do is to wake up arena net and say that people come to this game,they have probably played other mmo games and have a different feel about rewards, kitten .I was playing another mmo lately and the way i got rewards in it felt much better as it was less rng related. If i wanted to make something i knew exactly what to get and how,none of the items required was rng related.

So to sum all this rumble up in a small sentence,take away the gems-gold convertion,both ways,make some cool items to sell in the gem store so people send money your way,fix the prices inflating(except if your real purpose is to guide new players straight to the gems market -.-).

Hope i dont see the game i love so much get destroyed over greed one day,cause the game spells to me every time i play it…..“buy gems,you will feel happy playing me…..”

Ps.To test my faith to the rng system i tried to forge a precursor in the mystic forge,used 1000gold worth of EXOTIC greatswords, guess what i got? Nothing what so ever!!!I dont cry for the gold as i was experimenting with it,but the feeling man,it felt wrong,twisted and bad.

Constructive talk is greatly apreciated on the matter, creative critisism is also wellcome.

Thanks for reading my thread-concerns about the games market-rewards.

Ps2: If i misspelled something or if my grammar aint right and you have a problem with it,then kitten the kitten off

You know, when i first played this game 3 years ago,it was so friendly and peopel could just whisper you by themselves just to give you tips for what to do next in your adventures,now,people tend to hide from you just so you dont happen to discover a glitch that they discovered to make gold!!!

Gold is what is driving this game apart,gold and the gem store.

I agree totally to the fact that gold sellers are driven away by the gem to gold exchange system……yeah thats why i get 10000 whispers from gold selling websites every month!

I remember when the crafting system actually meant something like make something new,discover a new recipe by accident and give you the trhill of something different,now all i see is people racing to get Nightfury throwing a ton of material down the mystic forge trying to make it first and make the most gold out of it.

Gold,gold,gold,gold i am sick of gold in this game….

I need gold to make ascended,otherwise i dont get into raids,i need gold to get agony infusions(or grind em,YAY!)or armor in which case i need ascended armor again so this on top of the previous and so on and so forth, AND if i ever decide i would like a legendary weapon for my character……well…..i need tons of gold,but, the content that gives gold is locked behind a gold wall…..so….i think that anet is driving me away slowly?

And to think they said this game was a grindless game! Worst lie in gaming history of mmo games.

Well let me go first then,
Last night after 3 years i got an exotic and 3 rares to drop in Crucible of Eternity dungeon path 2 to be exact.
That should say alot about my RNG….
If they are going to do it right they must start giving out those chests that you can get with selectable loot(not with only the weapons it has today),that way no more unhappy, unrewarded players and randomness,oh and also make them drop by champ events when completing some bonus and challenging tasks,i think that it would be great!!
And no,doubling and tripling their HP doesnt create challenging content…nuff said…

Edit: The exotic was a crappy one with wrong stats than i wanted and hada useless rune for any of my classes,thought i should mention this to add to the…“randomness”..

U must be new around here…..

I tend to dought that…..a closer look at reddit and the forum says otherwise.

I have given it really much thought and i concluded that the only way for Anet to “fix” its relation with veteran players of Guild Wars 2 is to simply adjust the price accordingly for the players stated.
Meaning: All veteran players who have been over the past 3-4 years(not mentioning gw1 players),supported actively the game with gem purchases and have the base game already should get a discount over the respected versions of the expansion.
Meaning 2:An account with digital deluxe edition of the base game should get the digital deluxe edition of the expansion or the ultimate at a discounted price.

Now,how much that discount should be….well that depends on Anet,lets see how much they value us veterans and if they still want us to stick around….

My point of view on how a debacle will be avoided.I dont express the majority nor i pose as a speaker of the people.This is my personal opinion,period.

I have put 60 Euros towards the FREE edition of the DIGITAL DELUXE EDITION of the BASE GAME……just saying……
+like 350 Euros in gems in total over a span of 3 years….and i consider myself a loyal customer because i like gw2 alot….

Thank you very much,the purpose of this thread is complete.

Dai Bish, u arent satisfying my question.
How does the ultimate version with 4000 gems faire towards the standard edition? We practically pay for the gems as well!!!
Nobody seem to notice!!
And all the rest of the goodies….its just not there…the value isnt there….i can pay 50 euros now and get the full WoW experience..i can pay 50 euros ang get the full ESO experience….why bother paying 100+60 that i paid in the past just for a stupid mmo???
I rather go hung myself afterwards….

I would like to know,where is the logic and the competitive side of these sales?
World of Warcraft is 50Euros and then 13Euros for each month respectively(has a big history and player base,also you can buy game time with gold these days,making it really appealing).

The elder scrolls online:B2P same model like gw2,(big history and lore as well for 50-60 euros)

Now….where is the logic behind selling and expansion BUNDLED with the base game for 100Euros and giving 4000gems(50Euros value) when the standard version is going for 45Euros? Does Anet actually provide something for free as a goodie,or its actually a huge money grab?

I want to hear Anet’s official responce to my question as well as other players confronting me about my claims.

Thank you for reading my post.

Toxsa: I buy gems to buy ingame items because i like them and they are appealing to me.
Also,upgrades for your account and mine cant be bought with any other way than gems…that is if you have a life…
moreover we dont pay for a sub so its fine by me.
What is not fine is the way they treat us customers like we are complete morons and deserve nothing more that to be treated like one…
Alphard: Nobody cares about what you or any other person says about the base game being bundled….we demand an UPGRADE for our existing accounts…not the full game and the expansion….
WTF…..people dont go to school these days???Where is that logic being generated?!

So its better to make a new account than to UPGRADE my existing one?That i spend so much time to make ??
LOL what kind of logic is that mate????

Biggest problem you have mate is the character slot? Cant you see they are forcing us to rebuy the base game as well? lol

The expansion should be purchable with ingame gems as well with cash(JUST THE EXPANSION).
As of right now we are buing the game all over again…well i dont want that….i have the digital deluxe edition and i deserve more,we all who have deserve more….
15 Euros is all i am whilling to pay for the expansion,SINCE,i have been purchashing gems non stop for the past 2 years…..SINCE….i have been a loyal player of GW2….SINCE….I dedicate myself to just this game…..WE DESERVE MORE!!!!!
Dont fall into the trap people….let em see that we dont care for their stuff when its a money grab….

I think we deserve much more from our game for 100Euros…..
The price simply doesnt justify the content….i mean we get 4000gems not for free….we pay for the kitten gems as well….and it costs them nothing to shove it in the Ultimate version……should be called dumb persons version….

Bad RnG for my account……i already have deluxe edition of base game and i am asked to buy ULTIMATE?
HELLL NO!!!!!
Black desert comes out in 5 months……just saying….ITS FREE!!!!
Step UP your game Anet….kitten

Well my example was a theoretical one and not a practical one…so….yeah….
I never said that a high price item is game breaking….*see precursors…..
The price of this SPECIFIC item is doctored and not a product of supply and demand….there is only one person behind these sales…..maybe some chinese gold farmer ?
I dont know and neither do you…
I just want to see someone care for this kind of behaviour….
Imagine it like this: I buy 10 thousand euros in gems,and i buy every single precursor in the market….say precursor crafting aint comming in this scenario….and i list for 10k each…..imagine the rage of people? Thats how i feel like mate right now,so dont say one high priced item is not game breaking…..
I work 10 hour shifts and i get very little playtime….do u think i want to spend all my free time grinding gold for an item that got expensive in one night??
No i will simply quit the game all together if this is what this game is becomming…

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Salonikios.3154:

Hello to everyone,
I am trying to get the light of dwayna recipe from wintersday gifts since someone in the past farmed the recipe from the tp and now it costs ridiculus amount of money.
I spent over 150gold trying to do just that.
I have a request to make from players if that is possible,stop posting orders for it for above 50 gold,it doesnt worth more and the price is fabricated,GWTP website shows a very suspicious spike in the price of the item,so lets stop paying premium for stuff that doesnt need to be paid so much.
As stated above the price is ridiculus because moreover this is just the recipe,u need to craft the materials that arent cheap as well bringing the cost to crafting this item to a legendary item’s.
I would like to hear your opinion and take on this matter guys,should we pay premium cause someone decided to play god in the tp?
Food for thought.

There are a couple of assumptions in your post:

• “The above price is ridiculous” — why? People are willing to pay it, therefore it’s not crazy to them.
• “we pay premium cause someone decided to play god in the tp” — no, the price is a premium because the demand outstrips the current supply.

Some skins are easily obtained and some are not; this one falls into the latter category. Some skins are exclusive due to content gating and some due to circumstances, including market prices. It’s entirely up to you whether it’s “worth it” (to you) to spend the time, coin, RL cash, and effort.

Well people are willing to pay for it because its a high trending item,same goes for every single item that is trending up.
A very good example is the weapon skins that Anet is going to remove from the game for some time, their price is slowly getting higher and so on,so i dont believe that they actually want the item for themselves as when it costed 17gold nobody cared about it.

My assumptions are simple…i want the item for myself and i find the 370 g that its currently trading,ridiculus, simply because people want to get gold…dont get me wrong,they are doing a perfectly healthy decision by doing so but the fact that it got farmed and thats the reason its so high is really breaking the game….
Its an endless cycle of no end…
Think it like this: Person A sells for 370gold to Person B, PersonB sells for 380gold to Person C, Person C sells for 390gold to Person D, and so on and so forth…
Its an endless cycle and nobody cares about the item itself but its trading value.
Hope my explenations were sufficient.

I think its the question of many people,thats why i posted here.
At least 30 people just from my guild have this question and would like an answer.
I know that i can contact support for an individualized response

Hello to everyone,
I am trying to get the light of dwayna recipe from wintersday gifts since someone in the past farmed the recipe from the tp and now it costs ridiculus amount of money.
I spent over 150gold trying to do just that.
I have a request to make from players if that is possible,stop posting orders for it for above 50 gold,it doesnt worth more and the price is fabricated,GWTP website shows a very suspicious spike in the price of the item,so lets stop paying premium for stuff that doesnt need to be paid so much.
As stated above the price is ridiculus because moreover this is just the recipe,u need to craft the materials that arent cheap as well bringing the cost to crafting this item to a legendary item’s.
I would like to hear your opinion and take on this matter guys,should we pay premium cause someone decided to play god in the tp?
Food for thought.

I would like the answer of someone official on this matter,we cant speculate and believe anything that we want,if anyone from Arena net is looking at this thread please give us a respond.

I really cant believe how people are kittened because they cant solo a dungeon……
Maybe try and play it ranged? Why noone mentions the fact that the problem with Lupi
ranged attack hitting melee is that the fact that guardians(most usual) cant solo/glich trow him out of the graphics….
The game is perfect,we are too bad learned and want everything as fast as possible…
Do a dungeon path the normal way, DO LUPI the normal way ,DO ARAH the normal way….DO play the game THE NORMAL WAY!!!
Its the most frustrating thing to have to spend 150gold just to have META…..WHY I HAVE TO PLAY META!?
Arena net since you are monitoring this thread….I am not forced to a specific playstyle right? RIGHT?
Why then everyone is asking and accepting only metazerkers in theirs groups
I feel that i express the voice of the majority of the players when i say this….We are forced to play meta because everyone is asking for meta…They dont want to get valkyrie,nor knights,nor soldiers…JUST META BERSERKER…
In my opinion,dont fix lupi,make all dungeons unprogressable unless everything alive in them is dead….thats how u make it properly in my opinion….
Make the dungeons a true challenge….it will bring an unrest in the beggining but then it will all be ok….noone will complain about how the content isnt challenging enough,nobody will complain about gold,nor the market…it will all become the normal way….
Thanks for reading to my post, its not a rant,its not something to say to me that i should change a game or stop playing…
I love this game and i want to see it thriving and people to stop saying in LFG: Arah P4 ZERK META Ping gear check….
Its my opinion and i think a big portion of people thinks that as well…i hope you will respect it even if you dont like it.
Thank you.

Just checked dulfy database and the superior sigils and runes that u get from wintersday gifts appear to have a vendor value of 64 copper and 2 silver and 16 copper respectively,thats not something big by itself but think of the people that got x number of gifts and now have many of that rune or sigil or snowflake.
The price crashed and u cant even sell it for next to dirt(see tiny snowflakes).
I believe its just forgotten and nothing big of a deal,an easy vendor attachment will balance the market as well imo.
Example 2 : The Flawless snowflakes are not even worth the vendor value of 13 copper each,things like that are easily missunderstood like bomber did.
Just check dulfy for the data i provided over here if you wont take my word of it.

Thats awfull!!!So what is the purpose of an item if i cant profit on it?
So let me get this straight,arena net said that they removed the vendor price because it created very much gold?
Where is the logic in that? Except if thats for their security and the stability of the gem conversion rate…
I never saw a more controversial system….every item should have a vendor price….
I mean its better to just stockpile and wait 1 year till our 2 coppers come into our wallets?
Example:I pay 6 silver to get 1 giant wintersday gift from the trading post,i get some potions,essence of luck and…..SIGILS,RECIPES,RUNES that have close to no value but the TP price that is 2-5 copper each..well i dont accept the fact that a superior rune doesnt even sell for 64 coppers,that is the minimum i saw in the TP.
If what bomber says is true then we have a really interesting case in our hands.

The wintersday event came and left…the items that we got and we still get from wintersday gifts cant be vendored….please put a vendor price to the items so we dont have to pile them in the Trading Post for dimes next to nothing….
The runes,recipes,sigils,snowflakes etc…..

Ticket: 1105561 post at 31/12/2014.

Put gathering tools both as one by one and as a bundle,helps people who would like 1 item of a specific group, and put some bonus items to all gathering tools.Watchwork mining pick is OP as hell and the rest of us who bought something else get nothing in return.

I would be less harsh on them about an expansion if only the world had something new for me to discover that i didnt play,see or interact with.
The world is far too small and the areas that are level 80 are just 2 if u exclude dry top and silverwastes….

I like the living story alot by how much it adds to the lore to be honest,but what i dont like is the rythm in which we get the content delivered…its like playing getting hyped and then like oohhhhhhhh cm ooooon!
I really think the game needs desperately an expansion at least to the areas that guild wars 1 was taking place.
People want and the game needs it,especially since new players are getting the bitter feel after beating the personal story and then…Break for summer,break for halloween, break for wintersday…BREAK BREAK BREAK!!!I mean u guys deserve a break from time to time but really? so much breaks?
The game is unrewarding in a large scale and feels like that with every major bug that creates a gold farm and people jump to it like theres no tommorow!!
My wish from Anet for 2015:
1) Fix the loot system
2)Fix the events that got nerfed so much that people fail them to get better loot by simply re failing them to repeat the whole process -.-
3)Major expansion pack to all of the areas of the original gw1(how hard can it be!!!)
4)Fix the WvWvW zerging for the win-loot baggging strategy
5)Stop the DR code and focus on a better anti botting program
6) HIRE SOME REAL PROFESSIONALS TO CREATE MORE CONTENT FOR THIS GAME CAUSE WE LIKE IT!!!!!!! A LOT!!!!!!!
7)Convince NC soft that Gw2 actually worths to get and expansion and delete from the face of earth Lineage 2 and AION….the worst game ever……

I really hope that they will listen one day to the community and they will do good but till then….i am taking a BREAK from Gw2 :P