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Yeah, pls tell us more about your superiority over others and natural selection. With your attitude you would get a top notch position back in Germany of 1933.

@EchenSketch
You made some points in your previous post. I forget to mention that cantrips are a must. Before the mistform nerf i had 2 arcane skills in my bar. That changed after the nerf.
As for summoned weapons, i tried them more than once and really looked into it but since an Ele allways have to watch health, i cant afford to waste a slot for that.

But let me ask you this, how many tpvp teams choose Eles for support? As you said this task isnt really neccessary and teams go rather for additional dmg. I forget to mention their CC ability thats the only argument that speaks for an Ele in tournaments.

As for your tactic against thieves: backdraft is on CD most of the time. My opening as DD is air 45 fire354 earth kitten if a thief joins in an ongoing fight, theres nothing much left to answer with.

EDIT: I really like to know why “earth 4 5” automaticly changed to kitten???

cheshirefox.7026:

this thread has degenerated into one of the dumbest arguments of semantics
not to mention this is a place for discussion not argument

trying to breathe in some fresh air here “gasp” ok
lets try why does Anet love Elementalists

they obviously care about our profession so much that comparatively
we aren’t in a state of:

-low toughness
-low health stat
-easily countered mobility
-poor damage output
-trait line kerfuffle

-discuss

ok, i give it a shot from a pvp perspective(since thats all i play)

Tis true, you can have all of that just not all at once and there lies the problem. Lets compare it to a thief, wich have all at once and is in my opinion the real Jack of all trades(dmg, aoe, surviveability, moveability even support). His Stealth ability pulls him easily out of any trouble, his moveability is unrivaled and so is his dmg ouput. With his short bow he does probably the best aoe dmg of all classes (talking about splitterbomb). Yes, its possible to prevail against thiefs as ele but thats not the easiest task specially against backstab basilisk thiefs that suprise you. Not to mention the ability to remove boons with a sword. I for one fear this class more than any other.

Lets take a look at traits: In order to stay alive there isnt much of an alternative, so evasive arcane is a must have wich left you with 40 points for other lines. Yes its possible to play glassy builds and i played them a lot before the mistform nerf. Not anymore tho. Even in tournaments with a team to back you up. Once the foes know you provide a lot of dmg you turn into the main target. The reason is obvious (thats my experience anyway). Izzy mentioned this in his live stream and said they are working on alternatives to 0 0 10 30 30 meta.

So whats left to justify his existance? The Rtl nerf made him an mediocre roamer, Thiefs do a better Job. For tanks, people choose a guard. Whats left? A yes, supporter, how pathetic is that?

There is no place for mediocre Jacks of all Trades! The whole concept is bullbutter in my opinion and get worse from update to update.

I’m no expert on staff eles tho and i didnt had a chance to check on the updates. Nothing much has changed i presume cause during my 4 hours of play today i didnt met just one even tho i cant provide any stats or empirical evidence to Mr. Know-it-all Cheese here.

I assume you refer to the royal ‘we’ since you cant speak for darkace who still didnt proved me wrong. i suggest you stop your wisecracking and present your stats and evidence to your statements and stop projecting your subjective view on others.

well i didnt throw it into the discussion, darkace did. I just find it hilarious that you and darkace, who obviously misinterpret empiricism, used it out of context to prove your point.

The empirical vs anecdotal evidence is in response to all the people who… aren’t presenting reasonable cases. It isn’t the basis for darkace’s arguments, but it’s hard to come up with genuine counter-arguments when the statements made have no meaning or value.

The demanding statistics about statements is to show how baseless the claims being made are – if you can’t back up a claim that you’re making (such as that nobody (or barely anybody) plays ele), then that claim is not a valid one to make in an argument.

Empirical evidence is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation and i observed that there are less and less Eles to find since the mistform/rtl nerf. Its based on my personal experience. I said nothing about staff eles other then they are nonexistent in spvp. Is this empircal enough for you?

Theory and practice. Quoting all the update notes and demanding statistics about statements proves what exactly?

talking about reason and rationality…

Nore does Izzy provide us with hard facts trying to sugarcode us about how flexibel and potential the ele really is. I would’ve loved to see him just join a server and put his money where his mouth is.

he needs empircal evidence :P

Did you check some servers for Eles yet Darkace?

Giving the staff a buff doesnt make much of a difference if any other classes get buffed in a similar way.

if he kills rats in pve…

Do this, go trough some servers and count the Eles compared to other classes like thiefs or guardians or necs for that matter. There you find your emperical evidence

Anecdotal evidence doesn’t prove anything. Ever.

said the pope to Galileo Galilei and died believing that the earth is flat…

Putting some lipstick on the pig doesnt change anything Izzy…

Now go somewhere else with your “that ele once touched me in a dark place 2 years ago therefore they should all suffer my wrath” crusade.

:D

darkace.8925:

Go to the warrior sub-forum and you’ll see Anet hates warriors. Go to the ranger sub-forum and you’ll see Anet hates rangers.

That’s simply not true. I never saw this amount of complaints in any other forum due to a balance update. The lack of elementalists in PvP since then proves my point.

Many, many good arguments were made about this subject including a petition. Anet ignored all of em. I couldnt adjust my playstyle to it and lost interest so my consequence was that i played less and less. Last time i played was a month ago. Today i’m just here to check the new balance update just to see that nothings changed.

Ah yes, those where the times. The time when mistform made it possible to spend my trait points somewhere else instead of a 30 arcane line. The diversity of Elementalists died with that mistform nerf.

I have to agree with makko. I cant watch that crap anymore.

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Looking for Jack? Try thiefing.

Dps, mobility, Aoe, conditions…its all there.

The endgame and logical consequence for any serious Pvp Player, who is looking for a Challange and Competition under like-minded people is to return GW1.

Several dissapointed gold trim guilds (including my own) that turned their back on GW2 proved my point. Anet just failed them.

What happend to the war between guilds? Thats what i wanna know. GW2 became a war between classes who feel hard done-by an ‘unbalancable and flawed’ game concept.

@juno

Funniest post so far….

NevirSayDie.6235:

A good cosmetic reward system can be nice and add a bit to the experience, but apart from that, either the game is fun or it’s not.

I would love cosmetic rewards. First i would put on some rouge on the cheeks to my way to pale ele also some eyeliner to make him irresistible to female norns.

This whole thread is pointless. Complaining about complainers? Accuse someone as Whiner? I dont think anyone shed just on tear over this game.

You are tired reading about complaints? Stop reading it. If this isnt the right place for complaints, then where is?

Its getting hard to keep track of all those different opinions. What i’ve learned so far from all those complaining threads is that there is no solution for all. Since 2005 i played GW and i am used to Anets questionable decisions, but this is going ridiculous.

I remember, the whole OP discussion started when 8 Eles pulverize a 30 people zerg. Voices become louder and louder how OP Eles were and i was suprised how unusual fast Anet react on those complaints.

I really like to hear a statement from Anet about this situation, but so far they cover themselves in silence as it wouldnt exist.

For now they should just revert those changes until they come up with something thats works so we can switch back to normal.

But the problem is, and the whole reason I envisioned such a change in the first place, that any change made to the Ele profession is always going to favor the bunker build types. And the reason is that the Ele has no inherent defense like Death Shroud or Stealth or lots of blocks, so Eles to survive (ESPECIALLY in D/D) are pretty much required to build tanky with lots of boon support including plenty of Vigor and Protection uptime.

Not true, at least before the nerf of mist form, i played DD with berserker and divinity armor a lot. And it worked fine. I remember when i read announcement of the mist form nerf, immediately it was clear to me that this frivolous decision would force eles to play bunk style even more. I still cant get behind that decision.

Evasive Arcane is essential for staying alive. So in order to survive, i have to invest 30 trait points in the arcane line. This could easily fixed by moving EA from grandmaster to master or even to adept. Regardless of that, there is till the 30 trait point water line you have to invest for survival.

So the easiest way to make the ele more versatile would be to increase the basic armor value. To compensate for that, they could remove the heal abilitys in Evasive Arcane. Make EA less essential. I also wouldnt mind replacing the whole conjure weaponry to something useful, no one plays them anyway (except for Fire Sword of course).

Memorizing 20 skills was never the problem, the trait arrangements are. It leaves you with not much of a choice playing anything besides aura builds due to its low survivability. Eles become pretty rare in Pvp since the update and if you meet one, chances are they play bunker. Their attempt to buff Signet Eles was a fail in my opinion. Its not really a alternative to aura builds.

But i agree with you, somethings gotta happen. Speaking of ‘Jack of all Trades’, this roll is given to Thiefs at the moment. The explosive thief population in pvp right now proves my point. Moveability, Survivability even AoE dmg (talk about Splitterbomb), they overtop Eles by miles.

Right now Ele feels more like a rebound guy than a ‘Jack of all trades’. I for one am tired of this class(and of the whole game concept as well). Just installed GW recently.

AlexRD.7914:

CutePicsHunter.7430:

Once again, thread about crying ele.

Right? Priceless!

Jeeez, i wonder why? Countless ele crying threads all over the place, and they wont shut up. Mollycoddles, all of them.

well spotted sherlock, anything to add?

Underpowered ey? This explains the thief population exploding. And no, i dont describe myself as ele anymore. I am a thief now, who just loves to humiliate eles with my 2 backstab kill hits (best thing, they cant do shiddd about it, haha). love it :P

AlexRD.7914:

Oh, how precious these threads of eles complaining are.
Poetic justice really.

thanks for your approval, but if you have nothing to add, just skip it.

Who gave Elementalists a break?

Noticed the unusual amount of thiefs in pvp lately?

I just came from a server with 10 Thiefes. Seems i m not the only one who changed to thief lately. A consequence of the latest update, i presume.

Theres something to fix right there, but Anet propably still buisy hunting eles.

Mistorm, a 3 sec invulnerability all 90 sec! So somone tell me, whats OP if i have the chance to cast ether renewal ( a skill that took 3 or 4 sek to cast) without getting interupted once in 90 sec? What defense mechanics got the ele left now as class with lowest vitality and armor. Oh, there is earth armor, another 90 sec stunbreaker who gives me 3 sec of protection (with the right trait). I cant even get out of battle cause my RTL is probably on that 40 sec cooldown period.

How should i protect myself now from sneaky backstab thiefes who still need just two hits to kill me(and how is that not OP). yeah i still can use mistform, but for what? to get heartseeked 3 sec later?

There is only one class in GW2 who deserves that treatment. Guess wich…

Thats low………..

Nevermind, i found the answer.

Now, i know how to get 25 might stacks in a battle but how to get this done before the match begins? Any pointers or links are much appreciated.