Guild Wars 2

Kaimick.5109:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Soalone.2514:

But why is it that 2 ppl rezzing 1 man in 1.5 sec and it takes you atleast 3 sec to finish ? just dont get it..

Most likely because you didn’t get the rezzers in combat, which means they’re rezzing at the full out of combat speed. If you hit them, they would be doing it much slower and might give you the time you need to finish the job.

Pro tip.

Kal is somewhat right but over thought his reply, although good job kal

Lets look at this a lil closer
1 person reses in combat at X speed as per your example 3 seconds
2 people res in combat at x speed as per your example 1.5 seconds
How is this at all confusing to you?? 1 person takes 3 seconds and when you double the people you cut the time in half. I am starting to believe you are on the line of trolling

i give up on you i bet your the troll here i will stop responting on your comments since you state all kind of crap..

So i guess your pure waste of my time.. hf and gl to you..

Kaimick.5109:

You need to read your ToS making explicit topic titles in hopes to get the attention of others is forbidden. Now I think your topic title is borderline and can get by until you said.
,“* i made it that way to get ppl to read it.*”

And your original intention was not to hear others view points, it was to say that the Downed state mechanic was broken and had no place, and that they should remove it for all intensive purposes. You specifically coined anyone using it, “with out skill”, No where in your original post did you give any suggestion of how to fix it, rather you implied it just be removed.

i have never said that and your just beeing lame to put it out that way.

you say that im wrong well over 450 has been in an read abit of this post and you are only a few bunch there saying im wrong lol i personal know alot ppl there feel the same way as me :-D

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

My titel wasen’t ment to being a demand or to harm any one, i made it that way to get ppl to read it.

Its okay not all feel the same way like i do about it so i wanted to hear others opinion and thats kind of all..

Sigh I take it you haven’t read the forum Code of Conduct then?

Do not post in all capital letters; do not use “leetspeek,” excessive punctuation, colored text, alternating lower case and capital letters, etc. Please refrain from these and other similar attention-seeking tactics to draw attention to your post. Let your post stand on its own merits.

as well as

Do not submit “trolling” posts or threads. We define “trolling” as commenting in a manner intended to elicit overly strong negative and emotional responses for mere shock value,

And generally speaking, its not too good an idea to represent your suggestions in such offensive manner. You want people to agree with you and ANet to make changes in their product, right? Well, you don’t win everyone on your side by doing such provocative titles, and calling 90% of the playerbase noobs.

where you got 90% of the playerbase is noobs from ?

I dont find the title offensive.. for me its a fact that down stage are for noobs (again my opinion)

DreamOfACure.4382:

Soalone.2514:

Again you will only get those advantage if your are manny vs few..

Untrue.

You just need 2 or more on both sides.

And if you’re running around alone in WvW and you’re not a guild’s scout, then you’re either an inexperienced newbie or being silly and should expect to get ganked.

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The only thing wrong with Downed State in WvW is that the game does very little to encourage non-zerg group play.
Issues like the many factors that encourage zergs and the lack of good tutorials prevent players from learning effective ways to use Downed State.

Too many players mindlessly zeroing and too many players roaming around without knowing what the big guilds are doing.

sorry but i dont really care that much about what my server is dooing i love to fight with low odds and i like to play small man grps and gank manny.

But why is it that 2 ppl rezzing 1 man in 1.5 sec and it takes you atleast 3 sec to finish ? just dont get it..

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

Please, please pick an excuse and stick with it. First you’re saying you’re here just to tell your opinion and ask what others feel. Then you say you’re here making suggestions.

If you think that demanding always starts by saying “I demand…” I’m afraid to inform you that that is not always the case. “Downed state in WvW is for the noobs” (the title) “remove it” (your suggestion) seems like a demand more than a suggestion to me.

Such numbers rallying on a deer tells something about the group your up against.
1) They have cohesion. Obviously, you got 3 of them down but couldn’t finish them off, so the rest of the group is doing something right.
2) They use the terrain to their advantage. (Yes, that deer is part of the terrain here sorry deer)
3) They plan ahead. (They successfully executed a plan to mass rally.)

I don’t trust your ability to judge the oppositions skill henceforth

My titel wasen’t ment to being a demand or to harm any one, i made it that way to get ppl to read it.

Its okay not all feel the same way like i do about it so i wanted to hear others opinion and thats kind of all..

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Your just contradicted your self, if you almost ( not allmost ) win all the time what are you complaining about, even though I find it hard to believe this statement, you must be on a Low end teir server for WvWvW cause Black gate is in the second to highest Bracket for WvWvW and that doesn’t happen very often.

Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

this post is riddled with bad spelling and grammar so a few corrections for future reference, especially if you want people to take you seriously for discussions.
Not hole it is Whole
Not wassent it is wasn’t
Not isent it is Isn’t
wont go into the grammatical part

So any how your whole post was it takes no skills to be in a downed state only noobs use it pro’s never use it. You have preludes to your self being pro the whole time, even though you have never specifically stated, " I am a pro" your context of words used, and the way you phrased them made that clear to every reader.

So cause my english sux im not allowed to tell my opinion ?

Anywhere in my post did I say, your not allowed to?

No I stated that if you want people to take you on a serious discussion using proper grammar and spelling properly tends to help people discuss and take you seriously.

If English is not your first language that is fine, although I have a lot of friends in Italy and Europe that English is not their first language either and they may mis-spell certain words but they understand that

Hole is not the same as whole and know when to use it, Your suggestions and Opinions are welcomed regardless, but your “Suggestions and Opinions” are just that and can be counter pointed by anyone. Although when you say one thing and then say the opposite and claim your not saying what you just stated, brings peoples ability to discuss things with you down also.

what have i said and not stand by ?

DreamOfACure.4382:

Downed State adds 3 great things to WvW / PvP in general:

1. Mini-objectives

• Players that are normally uncatchable because of dodges, dashes, swiftness, etc. can be forced into a motionless state to ‘Finish’ or ‘Revive’
• This gives combat depth by giving fast-paced combat moments of opportunity/vulnerability

2. Compensates for the lack of a dedicated healer

• Anyone can help an ally on their feet.
• This makes everyone universally helpful even if they’ve failed to do anything else

3. The rubberband effect

• Players can make excellent combats when they know how to play with the Downed State. Again – It gives the combat more depth.

Again you will only get those advantage if your are manny vs few..

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

SO MUCH RED

This statement is …… ummm….. so anyhow because you do not fully understand a mechanic and you have been thwarted by good players that have taken advantage of this mechanic the way it was intended to be taken advantage of it is a bad mechanic?

It is all about Numbers in this game so those who get advantage of downed stage / rally are those there are most of forexampel 2 vs 5+

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

First of all a P/D thief was an exampel and what you advice is to go D/D or bow for AoE, well on D/D i can’t Aoe without spending my points witch i need for stealth when im alone vs manny and on my bow same problem… you really dont know anything about thief’s need to stay out of sight ? or atleast thats the way to kill manny at the same time…

Second thing is that i aint calling everyone noobs, if all was the hole thing wassent a problem, the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast..

Wow I see more red underscores than anything else lol any how

Your first statement, just so you understand what you are conveying here regardless of weather that is what you were going for or not, your grammar and ability to put constructive sentences together say’s this.

I want a build that can do Condition damage/ be a glass canon/ and do awesome AoE so I ( here is the leet speech ) PWNDEMNOOBALLDAYYO. Then you make countless comments about how this game is suppose to be about skill and you want this.

the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast.

This sounds like the group has skill and proper knowledge to avoid getting shut down, why is this a problem? You have posted multiple times this game is about skill, well that is a clear definition of skill, and team work, how is this the Downed state Mechanic’s fault?

It aint a problem if they beat me or not then problem comes when they get hugh advantage of being more ppl so when i fight and get ppl down in those 1 vs 5+ cases then i will take 80% of all dmg in that fight while trying to finish them and i dont thinke that has anything to do with skills that i will loose cause im forced to stay still to finish…

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Your just contradicted your self, if you almost ( not allmost ) win all the time what are you complaining about, even though I find it hard to believe this statement, you must be on a Low end teir server for WvWvW cause Black gate is in the second to highest Bracket for WvWvW and that doesn’t happen very often.

Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

this post is riddled with bad spelling and grammar so a few corrections for future reference, especially if you want people to take you seriously for discussions.
Not hole it is Whole
Not wassent it is wasn’t
Not isent it is Isn’t
wont go into the grammatical part

So any how your whole post was it takes no skills to be in a downed state only noobs use it pro’s never use it. You have preludes to your self being pro the whole time, even though you have never specifically stated, " I am a pro" your context of words used, and the way you phrased them made that clear to every reader.

So cause my english sux im not allowed to tell my opinion ?

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

It’s a fundamental mechanism of the game, for pro and newbies alike. If you wanted to ask a question, you’re in the wrong sub forum. This is for suggestions. If you got 3 people rallying from a deer, your opponent is better than you originally described.

This dosen’t make any sence for me im here to suggestion them to do somthing with it im not demanding it. Rally on a deer / mob has nothing to do with skills thats my opinion..

Kal Spiro.9745:

Can all class spec do AoE? Yes, yes they can. You are playing a P/D con Thief… so? Pull out D/D or Short Bow, bam you have AoE. Thief can do AoE, just like every class. The fact that you are playing a different spec doesn’t change that fact. That is a choice you made, not the game.

You keep calling everyone a noob, but the way you describe your situation it really doesn’t sound like you understand how to handle these things. A “Pro Gamer” doesn’t get trashed because he brought someone to a downed state but can’t finish the job.

Basically you seem to have an unnecessarily puffed up opinion of yourself. Along with a fully unnecessarily rude and condasending attitude toward everyone who disagrees with you. Learn to handle the game at its level, rather than compaining when you can’t. You can’t call yourself Pro, then fail at one of the most basic designs of the game.

First of all a P/D thief was an exampel and what you advice is to go D/D or bow for AoE, well on D/D i can’t Aoe without spending my points witch i need for stealth when im alone vs manny and on my bow same problem… you really dont know anything about thief’s need to stay out of sight ? or atleast thats the way to kill manny at the same time…

Second thing is that i aint calling everyone noobs, if all was the hole thing wassent a problem, the problem comes when i meet ppl who know how to play and counter my trys to finish or Spam dmg as soon one of there team mates go down, witch force me to stay away and they can rezz there grp. mates up fast..

Kaimick.5109:

So I guess I am saying is if your considering your self “Pro” Status then maybe you should be looking at your tactics and mental skills cause your choice to run up against a 10 v 2 is not a very pro like decision.

Well we hardly meet less than FG+ in WvW and 1 or 2 vs 10 isent imposible i have done this 100 times and win allmost all the time, i do it cause i like the challenge in it to be out numbered.. Am i a Pro gamer ? nah i guess not but this hole post wassent about if i am Pro or not, the hole post was about if it has anything to do with skills to finish ppl.

And dont get me started on how manny thing you can do to counter “finish” on..
and you just dont have the same terms when you are few vs manny..

Kaimick.5109:

Soalone.2514:

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

Then Stop playing WvWvW Mass force movement and attacks are common and a must in that field of PvP. Why should 2 Pro players be gods against over whelming odds every time. Really I am sorry I know this may sound rude but you need to grow up you can not win in every situation no matter how much skill they have.

I would have been more supportive of your argument against zergs if this was in reference to SPvP but it is in reference to WvWvW, what are you doing taking on 5 v 1? Hell The best PvP players in the world don’t take those odds on, that is a pro choice ummm 5v 1 no thanks. 2 v 1 lets do it, choices it what is boils down to either be smart about your battles like “Pros” or be dumb like “Noobs” as you put it.

All i have been saying was just examples..

I don’t see why numbers of players should beat better players.

I dont see why anet chose to let ppl rally on deer / wolfs where the skills in that if you can just rally all the time.

As the Down stage is now there are 3 problems.

1. Some can be downed and still be hitting for 2.5 k dmg (WTF!!)

2. classes with burst dmg has a benefit to kill downed ppl than ppl with con spec.

3. you simply dont have to fight for your life it dossent matter as long your running with the zergs you all good = Zerg train = skilles ppl

Fred Fargone.3127:

Soalone.2514:

I hope they make the game more skill req. than force ppl to stand stil 3.5 sec. Rally / down stage only benefit zergs and manny VS few..

Alright, I get it, you’re new. That is alright, we’ve all been there. But you do not need to stand still for 3.5 sec. You don’t need to stand still at all. Unless you want to revive a downed ally, THEN you need to be still… So, if you want to take down a bunch of opponents with superior numbers? Put one in downed state and AoE that ball.

So smart a.. you thinke im new ^^ you go on belive that.. you advice to AoE hmm can all class/ spec do AoE ? Nope I’m playing P/D con thief i dont have a dmg burst and if im fighting against manny i need to finish ppl, other way they will have to much dmg going on me at the end…

Soalone.2514:

It dossent take that long time to run from WC to the action so skip rezzing doing combat, that way you would se players with skills shine and the zerg’s fall’s

So, if I suck at the game, I’ll blame it on my mad skills that just don’t work with the game and demand the game to be changed?
And yes, it takes long to run from the other side of EB to opponents home keep, where the opponent is constantly getting new players in.

I don’t demand anything im simply saying my opinion and ask what other’s feel. I belive that Anet got Down state so all casual / noobs gamers dont whine evry time the die, but isent the game about skills to take your opponent out or do you thinke its okay that 3 out of 6 rally on a stupid Deer ?

Soalone.2514:

Try see this and thinke what i could have done to this zerg if i shouldent stop up and finish ppl and notice that i take much more dmg while i try finish ppl

Again, big red capital letters with something cool like FINISH THEM! And a hint to press F doesn’t mean you should ignore everything around you and hold that F like a pro.

This simply makes you look like you a PvE nerd and thats fine with me..

( dont put sound on its my first movie ever and its bad made i know.. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4ssZoKl_4

And NO thief’s arent OP just simply ppl there dont use there CC as intended..

Abaddons Mouth is way down in the world rankings. Doesn’t mean that all of their players are bad or newbies or whatever, they just don’t WvW that much. So its not such a big deal to find an AM zerg who can’t handle / bother with a thief.

It is totaly okay that new player / casual player / small kids / Freaks that don’t have a life plays.. but dont make 10 new player win by rally or down stage vs a hardcore duo (and no its not me im talking about)

sistox.9624:

You don’t HAVE to take 3.5sec to stomp a downed guy, you can just fight the others, and sometimes attack him so that he doesn’t heal, it’s pretty easy …
And if people go in to rez him, you can even feel lucky, they are balled, and willing to get kill.

So im playing 1 vs. 5 and i get 1 of them down. you thinke they wont rezz him more than i can do dmg on him just by hitting him once in a while ?

No i need to finish ppl else they get up again and i get just 1 more to look out for again..

I’m playing a con. thief P/D i dont have any burst to take ppl out with and as it is now ppl with Crit burst build have more benefits of just hitting ppl to death..

crawlerxp.1536:

For as many threads that reference small-group vs large-group complaints about WvWvW, I still don’t really understand it. Exactly what part of World…vs World…vs World sounds centered around anything small?

All i want is that skills matters and that numbers dossen’t (Example. you are 2 pro gamer why should you loose a fight to 10 random player because they just are more than you.)

RiKShaw.8795:

I’d like it if the people who’s ideas get in the game, can actually speak proper english…

That’s just silly of you to make a comment on..

kenshinakh.3672:

Down state is just a game mechanic, and can be used by both “pros” and “noobs”. I know I use it to my advantage quite often. Let’s say in 5v10 situations. My buddies and I are the 5, and we take down the 10 because we incorporate the downstate in our strategy. It’s not hard either if you have skills. Like we have 3 of our people in downstate, and then we single target an enemy player that might be down, and rally off them.

Now, as for 1v2 or more, I’ve done solo harass fights where I can take them down. You have to be smart about it though. I had moments where people are ressing each other, so I hit the ressers and get free damage off them. As soon as the downed person is up, I immediately jump on him and down him in a couple seconds (I kill the weak first… but that’s my strategy on taking on multiple enemies). Now, the person who ressed him will most likely res him again, but he/she will already be hurt from me hurting them earlier. So win-win, kill the resser, down 2. You can factor in the 3rd player too.

Just remember, the person you down will res with lower HP, and the next time they’re downed, they have even less HP, leading to a longer res time. Sometimes you don’t even have to down them. Just kill them straight out.

That is kind of what i hate, why ever play with it as a strategy ? In what game did you ever get benefit from dieing / hardly wounded ?

And what where is the skills that manny rally on 1 kill ?

Those guys you where fighting wassent you equal and thats why you did win that fight, if you fight ppl whit skills they wouldent let that happend.

And that about killing the one rezzing just not do abel all the time..

:-) but ty for you input i know some like the rally thing but i personal thinke its for noobs only so all ppl are happy Playing WvW

I hope they make the game more skill req. than force ppl to stand stil 3.5 sec. Rally / down stage only benefit zergs and manny VS few..

It dossent take that long time to run from WC to the action so skip rezzing doing combat, that way you would se players with skills shine and the zerg’s fall’s

Try see this and thinke what i could have done to this zerg if i shouldent stop up and finish ppl and notice that i take much more dmg while i try finish ppl

( dont put sound on its my first movie ever and its bad made i know.. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y4ssZoKl_4

And NO thief’s arent OP just simply ppl there dont use there CC as intended..

Who call himself a Pro gamer and spec after Downed benefits ?

Its such a shame when you are like 3 vs 15 and you just see them rezzing realm mates even if they have been finished, Its just a match you never can win because of that..

Down stage in WvW just dosent have any thing with skills to do..

I’v thourgh that Gw2 would be all about skills but with down stage system its all about numbers.

Lets take a 1 vs 3 i can easy get ppl downed but when i comes to finish that force me to stand still for 3,5 sec. = 3.5 sec i take huge damg and thats if your are lucky, try finish a thief, mesmer or elementalist, that take way longer and half the times you try finish you get knocked away / down and are you 1 vs 3 they will allways could rezz each other. I belive it’s only noobs who love this downed stage because wtf some do even 2,5 k dmg in downed stage and rally on mobs (WoW skills)

I see 2 things you can do about it.

1. Remove downed stage and say are you dead in WvW your got dam dead and make it so ppl can only rezz ppl when they arent in combat..

2. Do so that you can max get rezzed / rally 1 time and then next time your totaly dead.

Those 2 suggestions would really make skills shine and dont force ppl to stand still take tons damg to make an stupid finish move (Pro gamer prefere not to get killed by TONS aoe damg when they try to finish a player for the 3 time in a row..)

Just saying skills is what you can do while your alive, how good you are to kite and make the right moves to counter your enemy. How can you do that with min. 3,5 sec CC for Finish a player..

Please let me know if im the only one who would love to see Downed stage nerfed or removed in WvW.

Sorry for my bad english hope you get my point…

I thinke stealth need some more love. How can a player shoot you with a challeing spell like Rapid fire where he need to focus a taget there goes in stealth, that dosen’t make sence.

they should make it so when your stealth, rest of the attack miss because the player can now longer focus / lock on the target.

Pet’s allso to strong vs stealth. When i get out of stealth there normaly goes 2-3 secs before i take hits but pet’s hits you the mili sec. you get out and thats just lame of manny reasons..

sorry for my bad english hope you guys get the point anyway..