Guild Wars 2

Ethics.4519:

Iures.2894:

VanityValentine.6203:

Nah, I mean a mixed group of warriors/mes/thieves does the run faster. But most to all warriors here bubt that. AND UNLIKE them, I dont need a video to believes that 2thieves/2warrior/1mesmer is faster than 1mes/4warriors…Its just common sense.
Espada’s Video sure is way faster(with mixed group).

I think I may’ve just misinterpreted your last post, then, sorry. :p

Espada’s Video definitely is slower. And now they are saying stuff like “well the warrior was late” or “I didn’t blink” or “The thief used his elite” So what! All that kitten lead to a slower run! Which is the point.

“I believe what I believe and all evidence that points else where is blasphemy!”

LOl calm down, records are ment to b broken…dont 4get about that..and as mentioned on youtube….“Slow Run”to begin with.
Im sure they’ll update a vid when they get a chance to.
Soo yeah chill out no need to rage

I saw both vid ….gj on both teams and DPS-wise I calculated both their Slaver/ Effigy dmg
and Espada does more dmg than Strife by tens of thousands more.

Iures.2894:

VanityValentine.6203:

Shadow Espada.9183:

Aomine.5012:

Shadow Espada.9183:

Ioflux.4369:

Shadow Espada.9183:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Weird, my full zerker d/d thief doesn’t do 51k cnd+backstabs even with 25 stacks of might and 25 stacks of vuln.

tl:dr fake numbers are fake.

Lol not every thief can hit that hard, try using 30/30(+30%crt dmg)/ 0/ 0/ 10, Superior scholars rune(10%dmg^90%HP) with +10% more dmg when target has condition(trait under 25th Deadly arts) and +20%dmg (30th trait Critical Sctikes), +10% more dmg when initiative is over 6(25th trait in Critical strikes) plus 20%dmg from Superior sigil of Smothering/Night. On top of that all possible Ascended Accessory, Ring, Back, Amulet with the +4-5 mighty infusion for amulet,back, and rings.
…..but with right traits/sigil/runes buffs thats additional 50-60% dmg. See what u get.

The conditions you are stacking to make this number is not “consistent” and therefore not applicable to describing as the “norm”. You will not be sitting on 90%+ hp all the time, your initiative is not always “higher than 6”. Do not take your “highest possible damage” and claim it as a standard. I can say a warrior HB + Whirlwind can hit over 70k (yes it can) in a short time frame, but to say that that number is what you should be hitting at all times is foolish and misleading.

In terms of only warrior vs thief in single target burst, a thief CAN outburst a warrior, but in a party scenario, thief not providing party utilities drop the overall DPS of the party for that minor burst difference between the two classes. I don’t mind taking good thieves for cof runs, but there’s less cushion on a thief than a warrior.

PS: Warriors can 1 shot eviscerate the acolytes so the difference is backstab speed vs eviscerate speed. The discrepancy moreso comes from if you are next to the acolyte when they spawn or not.

Lol where did I mention a party of theaves + mesmer. What am saying is a having 2-3 warriors with 3 FgJ + Battle standards and mesmer with mirror blade and Signet of inspiration would bring Vulnerability and Might stack to the max(25stack). 3-4th warrior is not needed. A thief or 2 with hounds/ambush would do more dmg. and with Critical Strike’s 15th trait grants more initiative(20% change on crit) and “VIII, Signet Use” gives more initiative…also 1rst tree under trikery grants 3 ini on steal..soo yes u can easily have 6+ initiative AT ALL TIMES…..and besides theaves can only use CAD 2x and boss would b dead. And staying at the maxed dagger range would make the warrior the punching bag for the boss and that would keep theave’s HP at 100% most of the runs. Been there Done all that
2 warrior with FgJ/Battle standard, 1 mes, mirror blade, 2 theaves with steal, grants initiate 13 might stack x2 using signet of inspiration…..
Vulnerability and Might will still be at maxed.

PS: steal(instant) + CAD easily kills colyte, no (Backstab needed)
and while invis head to the second acolyte n backstab that instead(use HS to get close to them ASAP).

We don’t really care about your blabbering or theory crafting.
His time beats you, that’s the fact.
If you wanna prove him wrong, show another video record in his way and then prove him wrong. End of story.

And since you’re talking about PuGs, it’s much easier to find a decent warrior than a decent thief, since many of the thieves are so BS that ppl don’t wanna waste time trying on all the thieves out there.

Anyway, please guys, back to topic.
Where’s the 10g in an hr?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyl7BvFKb4g

Fact says, my time beat their even with FIVE sec delay spawn on ALL acolytes and with 5 sec quest(run to acolyte) delay after slave driver was killed due to the patch long ago on March. Btw thieves was nerfed with 4s reveal and Mesmer with 50% TimeWarp bahh blahhh blahhh

You cant compare a Thief/War/Mes with just War/Mes…We all know Thieves out DPS Warriors even with Reveal Nerf

Wait, hasn’t he been arguing this entire time that two Warriors and a Mesmer is all the group buffing you need, and that after that bringing in Thieves allows for more damage? Because, that’s what I remember him as saying, and that’s what his video purports to show, but for some reason you say that’s not allowed?

Nah, I mean a mixed group of warriors/mes/thieves does the run faster. But most to all warriors here bubt that. AND UNLIKE them, I dont need a video to believes that 2thieves/2warrior/1mesmer is faster than 1mes/4warriors…Its just common sense.
Espada’s Video sure is way faster(with mixed group).

Bunch of warriors discriminating Thieves and the rest lol WTFFFF??

randomfightfan.4091:

Ethics.4519:

I agree, people shouldn’t die on that part. But why be a kitten in all caps and ask that during a video showing how uber fast elite you are? (Not you, but the person recording)

he said that because about 50 times one guy posted the reason why thieves suck in cof (despite having better boss kill times) is b/c they WOULD fail on all those inbetween parts. Since that’s the only inbetween part where one really could fail, he posted that comment there to shut up the very annoying person who was very vocal in this thread. Just his way of saying running from point a to point b has nothing to do with classes so it really shouldn’t matter if it was edited out in the 1st video.

He and Espada both speaks the truth, and Phiera’s thread is saying that other class combinations can run CoF faster or as fast as a group of warriors/mes. only blind people wont agree to that. Peace.

Ethics.4519:

Watched the video, good job, it was fast. However, I would never want to party with you guys. Just watch chat, it’s ridiculous how they talk.

“I DON’T SEE HOW ANY DIES ON THAT PART” – Not all classes have the same utilities and escape functions as your slippery thief.

“You need to get to your brazier faster” – yet he doesn’t have any food and is sitting there asking people to send him things.

I agree with Espada, I mean its not that hard to dodge those fire AOE, you can actually see them coming. I dont die with my mesmer, I dont even use blink. AND whats wrong with asking people for a food, I do that too. She even mentioned that her inventory/mail was full. “You need to get to your brazier faster” -no harm done there either XD.

Shadow Espada.9183:

Aomine.5012:

Shadow Espada.9183:

Ioflux.4369:

Shadow Espada.9183:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Weird, my full zerker d/d thief doesn’t do 51k cnd+backstabs even with 25 stacks of might and 25 stacks of vuln.

tl:dr fake numbers are fake.

Lol not every thief can hit that hard, try using 30/30(+30%crt dmg)/ 0/ 0/ 10, Superior scholars rune(10%dmg^90%HP) with +10% more dmg when target has condition(trait under 25th Deadly arts) and +20%dmg (30th trait Critical Sctikes), +10% more dmg when initiative is over 6(25th trait in Critical strikes) plus 20%dmg from Superior sigil of Smothering/Night. On top of that all possible Ascended Accessory, Ring, Back, Amulet with the +4-5 mighty infusion for amulet,back, and rings.
…..but with right traits/sigil/runes buffs thats additional 50-60% dmg. See what u get.

The conditions you are stacking to make this number is not “consistent” and therefore not applicable to describing as the “norm”. You will not be sitting on 90%+ hp all the time, your initiative is not always “higher than 6”. Do not take your “highest possible damage” and claim it as a standard. I can say a warrior HB + Whirlwind can hit over 70k (yes it can) in a short time frame, but to say that that number is what you should be hitting at all times is foolish and misleading.

In terms of only warrior vs thief in single target burst, a thief CAN outburst a warrior, but in a party scenario, thief not providing party utilities drop the overall DPS of the party for that minor burst difference between the two classes. I don’t mind taking good thieves for cof runs, but there’s less cushion on a thief than a warrior.

PS: Warriors can 1 shot eviscerate the acolytes so the difference is backstab speed vs eviscerate speed. The discrepancy moreso comes from if you are next to the acolyte when they spawn or not.

Lol where did I mention a party of theaves + mesmer. What am saying is a having 2-3 warriors with 3 FgJ + Battle standards and mesmer with mirror blade and Signet of inspiration would bring Vulnerability and Might stack to the max(25stack). 3-4th warrior is not needed. A thief or 2 with hounds/ambush would do more dmg. and with Critical Strike’s 15th trait grants more initiative(20% change on crit) and “VIII, Signet Use” gives more initiative…also 1rst tree under trikery grants 3 ini on steal..soo yes u can easily have 6+ initiative AT ALL TIMES…..and besides theaves can only use CAD 2x and boss would b dead. And staying at the maxed dagger range would make the warrior the punching bag for the boss and that would keep theave’s HP at 100% most of the runs. Been there Done all that
2 warrior with FgJ/Battle standard, 1 mes, mirror blade, 2 theaves with steal, grants initiate 13 might stack x2 using signet of inspiration…..
Vulnerability and Might will still be at maxed.

PS: steal(instant) + CAD easily kills colyte, no (Backstab needed)
and while invis head to the second acolyte n backstab that instead(use HS to get close to them ASAP).

We don’t really care about your blabbering or theory crafting.
His time beats you, that’s the fact.
If you wanna prove him wrong, show another video record in his way and then prove him wrong. End of story.

And since you’re talking about PuGs, it’s much easier to find a decent warrior than a decent thief, since many of the thieves are so BS that ppl don’t wanna waste time trying on all the thieves out there.

Anyway, please guys, back to topic.
Where’s the 10g in an hr?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyl7BvFKb4g

Fact says, my time beat their even with FIVE sec delay spawn on ALL acolytes and with 5 sec quest(run to acolyte) delay after slave driver was killed due to the patch long ago on March. Btw thieves was nerfed with 4s reveal and Mesmer with 50% TimeWarp bahh blahhh blahhh

You cant compare a Thief/War/Mes with just War/Mes…We all know Thieves out DPS Warriors even with Reveal Nerf

Chopps.5047:

Shadow Espada.9183:

Infidel.8412:

Not any faster than a warrior group from what I saw? I also take down gate as fast as that with frenzy axe. You can say “well, but we are just as good as you can see…”, but most thieves will not be.

I would LOVE to see that.
Pls put a vid of it here

Didn’t you know that you’re a noob if you play anything but warrior in pve? /s

I only have 2 lvl 80s, a mesmer and a Warrior.
I guess Im a noob for having a mesmer, and ohh yeah my second toon is a warrior with 16k HP that would also make me a noob.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

VanityValentine.6203:

Therefore his/her group does more DPS.

Quite possible. But I personally don’t care about having the fastest Slaver Driver kill record. Since the difference between their slave drive kill and an average pug is 3-4 seconds, it isn’t highly likely to be the deciding factor in total dungeon speed run time. I reckon with our new warrior rotation for the gate we might do it about a single second slower or roughly the same.

But again, even in a dungeon as simple as cof1 there are 1000 little inefficiencies that can happen which add up to significant time by the end. So a total dungeon speed run means playing as perfect as possible from zone in until zone out, and that is what matters to me.

tl;dr: killing a boss 1.5 seconds faster is irrelevant if you do everything else 20 seconds slower.

You were right about the 20s slower.

They have a video up
Faster, even tho Acolyte spawned 5 seconds slower each for them and with the 5 seconds delay for the gate to open after the Slave Driver kill.
And in addition, they did a 50% TW compare to your 100% and with a 4sec Reveal nerf for thieves.

If this was done at the same date as yours(back when acolytes spawn in 40 sec, and back when the gate after slaver boss opens 5 sec faster), it easily would of been a 5:28-5:33min run.

and as mentioned, Its not their fastest.

hmmm, He/she landed 10k, 12.6k, 12.2k, 17k, 15.7k, 13.3k, in just 6-7sec
not counting the 6-8Ks’ auto attk, and the Hounds(2k each AOE, with 700+auto)

I like this video from the same guy better tho(w/o hounds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYwcWLsKoac
Landed 15.7k, 12k, 19.9k, 14.1k, 25.9k, 16k, 21.5k…not acounting autos lol just insane.

VenomousEX.4012:

VanityValentine.6203:

VenomousEX.4012:

VanityValentine.6203:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgz5rGkDXZA

I noticed something from this Video….
The gate as to “helping Ferra finding the engineer” Opened or was speed up to 5 sec faster than it should be.
And EACH Acolytes spawned also spawned 5 seconds faster 3x
and TW was at 100% not 50%
I smell fish

There is nothing wrong by judging from skills cooldown.

Gate and all Acolytes still open n respawn 5 sec faster.

Meaning, tell me ur opinon please.

hmm, soo its not clear to you then….
You want to compare a run of a video done back when acolytes spawn 5 seconds faster. SO, when the first acolyte was killed, u only have to wait 40 sec for it to spawn again, and another 40 sec to kill it for the 3rd time..
Now, idk since when, but acolytes spawn 45 sec after u kill them..
And back then, the gate opens appxmtly 20 sec after killing the slave driver, now you have to wait 5 extra seconds for it to open…
You’re trying to compare runs before and after patch…

VenomousEX.4012:

VanityValentine.6203:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgz5rGkDXZA

I noticed something from this Video….
The gate as to “helping Ferra finding the engineer” Opened or was speed up to 5 sec faster than it should be.
And EACH Acolytes spawned also spawned 5 seconds faster 3x
and TW was at 100% not 50%
I smell fish

There is nothing wrong by judging from skills cooldown.

Gate and all Acolytes still open n respawn 5 sec faster.

I noticed something from this Video….
The gate as to “helping Ferra finding the engineer” Opened or was speed up to 5 sec faster than it should be.
And EACH Acolytes spawned also spawned 5 seconds faster 3x
and TW was at 100% not 50%
I smell fish

Obviously still does not get the point lol…..Its not that harddd lol omg

Random is still right..and ur still missing the point lol
Having 25 might n vul is a must.
Who do u think lands more dmg if both warrior and thief has 25 might/25vul?
And phira is tryna say that other group/proffesion setup can kill as fast or even better than
4 GS war/1 mes.
Dubt that?

kokiman.2364:

2 legendaries and yet doing CoF p1 and yet clicking skills, oh lord.

Couldnt understand what he/she was saying. Its okay

I wanna c who does more DPS
It looks to me Phieras group does
^_^

jul.7602:

VanityValentine.6203:

jul.7602:

The video features 3 thieves, a warrior and a mesmer that has been edited to give the illusion of speed. Show us your full start to finish run with no edits and no warriors and maybe so we can carefully reevaluate your run. Otherwise this is meaningless and a garbage run.

I would actually love to see you Run, how much u hit for, and how fast u can kill both boss.

If I get some good video recording equipment I will gladly show off a proper run. In fact if I find a way to record it, I will wager a 50 gold prize. My team vs yours. However there will be some rules.

1)4 thieves 1mesmer vs 4 warriors, 1 mesmer. No exceptions.

2)Record from the dungeon initiation and to the death of the final boss.

3) No black lion boosts +5% damage ect.

-Final. Take this lightly, with college exams and a busy schedule it could take me a while to find some people and with proper recording.

Lol sooo ur giving rules now?
How about you show us ur “PROPER” run ur way from start till last boss dies.
and we will show u our.

You’re asking for something like taking a blood test 1 day before the boxing event. Hmmm don’t think that makes sense. Im a mesmer and I would like to see you beat top my Guild’s Effigy kill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoouSccStME
come back till then.

jul.7602:

The video features 3 thieves, a warrior and a mesmer that has been edited to give the illusion of speed. Show us your full start to finish run with no edits and no warriors and maybe so we can carefully reevaluate your run. Otherwise this is meaningless and a garbage run.

I would actually love to see you Run, how much u hit for, and how fast u can kill both boss.

With 25 might and with all 3 banner and with 25vul on boss
a Good Warriors still cant Out DPS a good Thief even if u hit 50k with HB(only once in a boss fight) and autos with 5-7kks.
Found this Vid on YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYwcWLsKoac
Thief Hitting for 5 digits atleast 6x and hits with 6-8ks.
Altho 1 warrior is a must, the rest(2nd-4th) aren’t necessary(If u want a faster run).
I do most of my CoF runs with 4war/1Mes cause its usually faster, but its always faster w/e we have a thief or 2 who knows what their doing.
I have a thief but I dont hit as hard as The Vid I saw/link shows the DPS
I’d like to see other profession doing as much or higher than that.
<—-gearingg my thief up now

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Phira.3970:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Phira.3970:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Phira.3970:

but I think the idea of GS Warrior = #1 idea needs to go, which is why I posted this.

If that was your goal, you failed since that run was no faster than a typical group comp made of equally skilled player, and in a few areas a bit slower.

If your goal was to show that adding a thief to the team in place of the 4th warrior is perfectly fine, you succeed, although we already knew that.

Video of your claim please that GS Warriors are faster. And I’m not talking about a video before quickness was nerfed from 100% to 50% attack speed.

Unfortunately this will be hard for Nike Porphyrogenita because GS will only be able to kill Slave Driver at about 10 seconds (w/o pull) or longer when TW goes up while we are doing it in 6 seconds. (and if mesmer pushes to wall, that’s +1 second up)

Sorry, we haven’t had the need to re-record any cof1 speed runs since nobody has beaten our speedclear time yet. Once someone does, we’ll beat it and Strife will post it I assure you.

As far as your overall point, I’m still clueless as to what it is. You seem to think I’m some warrior elitist, but since I do play my thief in cof1 too I am well aware of what it is capable of. All I care about is what is optimal, I will play any profession and use any build so long as it’s optimal.

Alright, youtube searched cof p1 strife

Let’s see what we have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgz5rGkDXZA

This is before March 26. Their real kill time on slave driver would be approximately 10 seconds. Alright. Strife’s team is clearly faster than our 6 second kill.

And he isn’t using just GS. GS-> axe which is a bit smarter than just GS but that still isn’t the optimum build for Warrior. This should be the kill time for boss before March 26:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoouSccStME

You’ll have to skip to 00:23 second for boss kill time because our kill time is so fast Time Warp doesn’t recharge in time for Slave Driver. I’m sorry but Strife is misinforming the community on optimum Warrior gearing for CoF. It doesn’t help that there is already enough misinformation that led to the 4 GS Warrior 1x Mesmer meta.

Right so like I said, when you post an actual speed run video from zone in to dungeon reward we’ll get to work on it. Records are meant to be broken, so get on it.

Phiera’s Group Killed Both boss and gate faster
Therefore his/her group does more DPS.

Which I came believe is is why every party wants a ZERK/DPS.