Guild Wars 2

Why are people who I see complaining about warriors seem to know nothing about warriors? What happened to all the mesmer/thief/ele QQ? They’re still incredible classes even after some stupid nerfs. Other classes need buffs, warrior is fine as it is. They’re still as obvious as ever as to what they’re going to do in a fight.

Likes:
1. Blob vs. Blob
2. Strategy and team work emphasized
3. Ability to switch builds depending on playstyle/what I feel like doing.

Dislikes:
1. Lack of rewards( Things have improved which I will acknowledge)
2. Siege. Golem rushing is cheesy, takes strategy aspect out when you can just port omegas around the map. Arrow carts and trebuchets are pretty lame, cow drain and ac spam through doors. (Ballistas and rams are the only siege I find balanced)
3. Outmanned buff is pretty useless. Unless you’re farming earth elementals for onyx lodestones I don’t see the point in the stats this buff gives.

Rangers have nice water fields.. :p

If you lose to a warrior as a thief, ele, or mesmer (in my opinion the most broken dueling classes) that is pretty sad (guardians are really good if used correctly). Unless you’re not built for roaming, in which case you wouldn’t even be posting here. All they can do is run, good thieves can burst way harder and dodge and juke with blind+stealth. Mesmers can stealth, stack condi’s (wow they barely last a second, – condi duration op?) keep stacking them and kiting that warrior, you have so many tools : images, blink, chaos armor, stealth. Ele’s have always been up to par with thieves, they’re so sick when they’re actually good players playing them, you can’t kill them, you can’t catch them, you will probably die in a long drawn out fight against one.
Anyway, pretty sure a lot of people have said it enough. Warriors can’t do anything 1 on 1 against these classes because they’re so predictable, so all they can do is run from them and all they can do is build to zerg. (please don’t try telling me how you destroyed some light armor uplevel with 100 blades saying warriors are good at duels).

Loken.9724:

Spies can get you to the fight. Spies can’t win you the fight. What we did when we showed up had nothing to do with spies.

^ This

Aberrant.6749:

Before AC’s were support damage and could take down siege over time. They needed a small buff in damage/range… but now they just blow up the area in a couple of seconds.

I thought destroying siege was the role for ballistas. Now there’s really no point in making rams or ballistas lol.

Damage increase is actually a good idea now that I think back on how many times I stood in a ring just laughing at the damage. However, if there was more than 1 shooting it’d actually start to hurt. Arenanet just needs to reduce the amount of arrow carts that can be placed. Not siege in general, just arrow carts. And reduce damage going through a gate or not even have any damage go through gates from arrow carts. Those untargetable arrow carts are bull kitten and they make ramming impossible.

People saying defenders “finally” get an advantage. Your advantage has been those giant walls/gates protecting you. It isn’t very fun sitting on siege and not very rewarding, but you have never been at a disadvantage.

style.6173:

gfox.6501:

I play in Sanctum or Rall, and a lot of the commanders I see are x/warhorn warriors, but majority of the players I see are mesmers, eles and thieves(specific to roaming groups), good amount of guardians and warriors, then a few necro, rangers and engis. There’s once I roamed with a pretty amazing engineer, but I see them very rarely. If I was going to consider the top prof I see in terms of numbers, I’d say mesmers, and that includes what I see from Jade Quarry(has very strong necros, and in good numbers as well) and Black Gate servers.

I’d say this is true. When I say warriors are FOTM, I mean in zergs. Warriors do not roam as much.

Warriors aren’t that great of a roaming class. They have the best mobility, excluding elementalists, in and out of combat but pretty trash at 1v1’s especially since the quickness nerf. If you can’t insta-kill anyone with 100 blades, be ready to get kited to death and out sustained by every other class in the game since evades pretty much shut all your skills down.

Venereus.9473:

Warriors aren’t the current FotM in WvW, DD eles are, since they still haven’t been nerfed. If you’re noticing more Warriors it might be because the 100b roamers switched to Hammer zergbusters after the quickness change.

Pretty much this.

I see hot join glass rifle warriors being the only thing benefiting from this lol.

I have a hard time believing any of you hit 28k+ HB on normal players. If a player had that much HP, that player is running soldier gear and has 1.8-2k toughness. So bull kitten on you guys. Now if the player was in a DOWNED state I can believe that. By the time any of you zerkers hit 18k~ on your HB the enemy would probably be downed.

Forestgreen.7981:

I still have the same issues which is actually sticking on enemy players and I’m still kited to death since I have no sustain and no damage mitigation while dps gain is so little.

^

A million times ^

Warriors are so terribly out classed in every aspect of PvP.

Cross.3805:

its not like I wasn’t exaggerating with almost the whole server here.
but eh what can ya do. WvW losing its flame for me.

[Mend] tag in HoD. Did they leave ET or something?

The healing reduction was fine. The increased damage was ridiculous.

Warriors are the king of PvE. Whatever that means to anyone that doesn’t PvP. Warriors are probably one of the worst PvP classes. All of their utility spells are kittenty aside from shouts. Way too long of a cool down on everything else for them to be a viable duelist.

Warriors excel in large zerg fights in WvW and PvE. They aren’t overpowered.

When I heard them talk about warriors becoming an unstoppable killing machine if they buffed them I was like, oh kitten is there some kind of secret spec that people run that makes them think that?

I guess its the unstoppable 5 sig warrior PvE killing machine.

They need a complete change. Staff 2 is just imbalanced. Blink is imbalanced. Confusion/Shatters do way too much damage for them being so difficult to track and chase down.

You shouldn’t be able to have this much survivability without sacrificing a lot of your damage. And if you’re going glass mesmers you’re just bad rofl.

Best place for a warrior(in WvW) is in a zerg ball. Hammer gives you so much control in large fights and you put your large HP pool to good use by soaking up damage for the softer targets. Damage mitigation in zergs + a lot of toughness and HP makes you nearly invincible.

Sadly, warriors suck kitten I’m not gonna say there’s a certain spec or utility set you can put on to be as hard to kill as a mesmer or a d/d ele. If anyone has one I would love to know a good balanced build that’s impossible to kill like a mesmer.

Take control of a golem you dropped but you can take control of any other siege?

Lol are people really crying about how SF outnumbers them in T7? Wasn’t HoD boasting about their golem army a month ago? rofl.

SniffyCube.6107:

Great job at stonemist everyone! Can’t believe you guys held against larger forces of both FC and GoM attacking at the same time… can’t believe I had to work and missed it!

Congratulations to our new and older commanders, I know our guild has a lot of new faces and a recent changing of the guard for officers but we’re really coming a long way. Proud of you guys – keep it up!

and we are really making progress at gearing players up and working as a cohesive unit and the same can be said about all of ET

you guys are awesome

SM will be ours again. Hella annoying how Agg is carrying most of ET, except KWBH. You guys are the only guild from ET other than Agg that gives us trouble.

As for [WZ] “sabotaging” ET. We have had no information given to us by them.

Manoa.5897:

Dark Omens.5768:

Manoa.5897:

Linanthony.1809:

I’m not entirely sure on what the situation In t8 is but I’m seeing FC and ET doing better, so great job guys!

It’s called “free server transfers to medium population servers.” ET and FC qualified and got some T1/T2 guilds. SF did not qualify for any server transfers.

Yeah irk? Poor outnumbered SF…. LMAO

I’m not claiming we’re outnumbered and was not looking for sympathy. Just pointing out why the T8 scores are a bit more even this week to someone who is not familiar with the reason why.

I’ll be okay with the server transfers so long as most of the people who transferred to ET and FC stay and keep up the interesting, competitive fights. Everyone in this tier is learning something new this week. But I swear, if all those new transfers decide to move back to their T1/T2 servers, I’m going to be quite irritated. It’ll mean that our severe rating backslide this week will be for absolutely nothing. And it will have given severely underpopulated servers who desperately needed WvWers a lot of false hope.

VK is moving back on Thursday. However, they left us with tactics that we’re practicing and hoping to get better at to make T8 interesting after they leave.

Manoa.5897:

I seriously haven’t seen zergs like this since our days in T5 (way back when).

Looks at bar at the green bar at the top

Everything seems to be in order, move along.

No seriously, that “zerg” you’re seeing is the PEAK of the server population at the moment. Can’t wait to get some transfers.

roostapro.9827:

Capped dawns tower yet SF?
Oh….no…no you haven’t…
Our last remaining tower (focus us first…bring us higher morale) and you cannot even cap it LOL

Edit: tower nane

Shouldn’t taunt SF lol. Just be glad they haven’t brought their hell zerg of the CoSA guilds, KING, and PVP. Those numbers are just tremendous when they’re all working together.

Server down :/

Update from 2 pm pst :x

Fun times in FC

Things are gettin heated here

Score update
^-^

FC only hits ET when we’ve capped our map back and SF has started to come to take everything.

It felt like ET and SF had a treaty earlier in the day yesterday. We were trying to take Greenbriar and got sandwiched by SF and ET. The ET players who swooped in from behind went straight for my guys first and when there was a downed SF player they wouldn’t even bother finishing them, they would finish the FC players first. I even caught 3 ET players cancel their finishers on SF players. I don’t know, it just seemed kittened up cause we already only had a small group of maybe 15 people against a growing SF zerg.

I also heard on the map chat that one of our players got teamed up on by an SF player and ET player and once they finished her they bowed to eachother and split off.

Whoa chill out guys, I was asking where you guys were cause SF started to rain hell on our small group in FC.

Jeknar.6184:

Venn.7623:

Where the hell is ET? LOL

Why aren’t you in your Borderland? SF have your bay keep…

All the SF that came from ET went to FC..

Where the hell is ET? LOL

Score update ^-^. Finally SF out of our BL and moving onto ET

Lemongrass is probably the only one I’d say needs some fixing. -40% condi duration lol…

Who cares, block and move on.

Mayhem.1935:

Downed state is a terrible design to allow the more players a better chance at victory then the lesser sized group. I cant count how many times ive downed players just to watch their friends rez them up before i the animation to spike them finishes. I play in smaller groups from solo to 5 mans and down state is a noob cushion. Every class has access to healing and ways to avoid dmg. And, even if their is a downed state, why do players have like 60k hp while downed? The dmg i do to a player to put there in downed state (roughly 20k?) i have to do 3x as much to finish unless i stomp which makes me extremely vuln. And no im not talking when im on thief who can just stealth and smash dudes invisibily.

Players will argue downed state is fine, blah blah. Try running not ikittenergball and 3v10 ish. GL no matter how much you out skill/gear the 10. In most cases you run or you watch the guys dead pop up with half life like nothing even happened.

I miss the days when skilled groups (DaoC) with a smart group make up could really make a difference as skirmishers. Yes it -rarely- happens in GW2 and im sure some dude will post a video of it happening to show us all how viable it is. Yea yea.

100% agreed.

Lol reading this guy’s posts is just frustrating me. He doesn’t even have an argument and he’s mindlessly ranting about something that doesn’t effect gameplay. WvW is a game about numbers. I love the football analogy though, that was pretty funny.

But I do agree it shouldn’t be visible to enemies.

Ungood.3054:

Venn.7623:

Jeknar.6184:

WildBoy.3562:

I’m tired of being bullied by SF and ET we lose every week and every time we attack something we normally fail. They outnumber us greatly and we always have the outnumbered boon but it gives no help what so ever

ET doesn’t outnumber FC as bad as SF does… I’m sure SF can outnumber ET+FC.
Also until 2 weeks ago your server was better than ET. The only real problem at T8 is SF.

^ SF has the WvW numbers to cover all the maps lol..

How did you get that from what you quoted? No one said that, or even close to it.

All he said was that you out number ET and FC and perhaps out number their combined forces, which I would believe.

If you truly believe they can’t cover all the maps, please go try to take SF’s borderlands without seeing a zerg form up to defend it while you lose your own borderlands.

Jeknar.6184:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Venn.7623:

Jeknar.6184:

WildBoy.3562:

I’m tired of being bullied by SF and ET we lose every week and every time we attack something we normally fail. They outnumber us greatly and we always have the outnumbered boon but it gives no help what so ever

ET doesn’t outnumber FC as bad as SF does… I’m sure SF can outnumber ET+FC.
Also until 2 weeks ago your server was better than ET. The only real problem at T8 is SF.

^ SF has the WvW numbers to cover all the maps lol..

Actually, we don’t always have two active zergs in prime time. Often just one, occasionally none. Almost never three. That kind of activity is reserved for resets, and it’s not just us.

Gotta agree… SF can’t cover all maps at once during the week… They can cover around 2 (sometimes 3) if they aren’t moving in a massive zerg ball (covering only 1 map).

I said they have the numbers. I’m not necessarily saying they use them all the time.

Jeknar.6184:

WildBoy.3562:

I’m tired of being bullied by SF and ET we lose every week and every time we attack something we normally fail. They outnumber us greatly and we always have the outnumbered boon but it gives no help what so ever

ET doesn’t outnumber FC as bad as SF does… I’m sure SF can outnumber ET+FC.
Also until 2 weeks ago your server was better than ET. The only real problem at T8 is SF.

^ SF has the WvW numbers to cover all the maps lol..

Having limited chat range doesn’t mean they can’t just get on ventrilo or teamspeak and call it out. If this were possible I would just have mesmers go neutral in every tower/keep and have them portal zergs in.

If you really wanted them to not have any effect on WvW, there should be a ring around towers/keeps/camps/sentries where they become threats and are able to be attacked, and put their neutral buff on a long cooldown so they can’t just run away and become neutral again.

Vayra.3290:

Visiroth.5914:

covenn.7165:

Fizzlepip.5218:

Kitten. Which one am I missing? Warriors can enter but generally die soon after. Plus they can be killed while in Vengeance.

They don’t always die soon after…… and if the get up and through a portal where nobody is hitting them. Sure you can immobilize him like an ele Of course a downed ele doesn’t have the option of getting back him and kicking your kitten in either. Heh

If a Warrior runs in without killing anything he’ll just die when Vengeance wears off…?

And? He can still be ressed. It takes a few seconds longer than ressing the ele, but the end result is the same.

Warriors can actually be killed in vengeance. End result is the same if the warrior can get to the portal without getting snared and killed in vengeance or killed in down-state while waiting for the 8 second cooldown on vengeance

People complaining about thief damage are stupid. Only reasonable argument is stealth chaining with culling being overpowered(stealth in general is op as hell). Glass cannon damage is fine and working as intended. Any class can do the same damage, just the fact that thieves can go in and out of fights with stealth bursting people down is the ridiculous part. If any other class tried that they’d immediately get thrashed and finished instantly. As a warrior, I’d gladly give up a utility slot for some type of stealth detection so I’m not blindly swinging at air hoping I downed the son of a kitten.

Gaudrath.6725:

TheGreatA.4192:

It is rather annoying that the strongest classes in the game also receive the best downed skills while the least powerful ones have to worst.

As if they don’t have enough as it is.

The fact that eles have one of the best downed skills is because if you try to actually do some damage, you get downed a lot. They need it.

Can you give us your opinion about Warriors?

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6106/gw016kl.jpg

Bullyin’ dat red team for 5+ hours tho

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

The major fail in the shout build is that you sacrifice other very important skills to get 3 shouts.
Endure pain can block even 50k dmg if used properly, I cannot see myself without it.
Balanced stance is very useful too.

Why not just use banners?
They have wider radius, can’t be wasted in overheals like shouts, won’t rob all your utility slots.
On a build like this they heal about 200hp/s which is as much as shout healing heals per second, but you can still use Endure Pain and another utility like FGJ.
Plus you can heal your team and yourself with banner of tactics.

Reason why shouts are better than banners+endure pain.
-Shouts burst heal on the move
-Shouts with Soldier runes remove conditions giving you 4 condition removal(Shake it off removes 2)
-Shouts can be casted while stunned/dazed/confused/knocked down
-Shouts have no cast time
-Shouts have a WAY longer cool down than both Endure pain and Banners.

As a tank healing shouts warrior I never found myself in a position where if I endure pain things would have gone a lot better. If you really want a skill like that just have a shield offhand.

Jeknar.6184:

insanemaniac.2456:

FC is red ! and a lot more room to grow than every other server !

You lie! ET have about the same room as you, maybe even more…

ET has a bigger night capping squad. We’re about equal during the day in most cases but lately there has been a spike in ET’s numbers, guess more PvE players came to join :o

The fact you can chain stealths together is the problem lol… Mesmers and Thieves both can constantly stay invisible and dish out loads of damage. Stealth needs a higher cooldown that’s about it. Mesmers and Thieves are in no way easy to take down, especially ones that know when to re-stealth. Sure they’re squishy but all their stealths and conditions make up for it. And you can spec Mesmers to be quite beefy.

ProxyDamage.9826:

You’re a warrior… At low level PVE… Roll your face on the keyboard and win…

First thing, don’t worry about a “serious build” till level 80. One of the best things in this game is that resetting your build is incredibly easy.

I’ve leveled 4 characters to 80 right now (Ranger, Necromancer, Warrior and Thief in that order – ok, Thief is lvl 78 and will be 80 within the hour) and Warrior is, by far, the easiest.

Follow these simple steps:

• Grab the best blue or green power, power/precision or power/precision/crit damage greatsword you can for your level (for level 23 that should be a Strong Greatsword) from the trading post. Don’t waste money on rares. Blue or Green is more than enough.
• Buy a sigil of Bloodlust while you’re there.
• Stick the sigil in the greatsword.
• Equip your new [Whatever] Greatsword of Bloodlust.
• Change all your utility skills to signets (including your healing skill and your elite once you get it… Then again you’ll use Signet or Rage anyways…);
• Put 10 points in Arms to get the major trait that gives you +40 precision per unused signet;
• Do whatever you want with the rest;
• You now have to kitten up extremely hard to die at all.

That’s godmode till lvl 60. Works fairly well for leveling up to 80. It’s a completely kitten build at 80 and for any purposes other than leveling, but by the time you hit 80 you can change to whatever build you want.

Goodluck.

^ I did the exact same as this person and flew through the game. You can buy new masterwork or fine armor every 10ish levels. Whirlwind makes PvE’ing a piece of cake.

Darxio.5672:

Morale is high and spirits are soaring in ET. We fight against overwhelming odds and do better than ever.

We are also letting Ferg reap what they sow. Most of us ET commanders have no more feelings of an alliance. We extended the olive branch, and you spit at it. Enjoy getting treated the way you treated us in the past.

And SF has the numbers, but are sloppier than ever. And I see both sides capitalizing on it.

ET will make sure the Blue Keep in EB gets used like it should. And we have.

I recall seeing a nice ET zerg hitting Durios while KRAK was spewing that non aggression treaty. Nice to know you have 0 insight on the matter. ET is doing better this week though, keep it up.

FilthyRat.4652:

Lol…sure but when GoM comes down here I’m almost positive people will use all the same excuses for losing as they have in the past…whatever makes people feel better

Calm down buddy.