Guild Wars 2

Mobility is huge in WvW for sure. I don’t see how it’s Anet’s problem that you have chosen to play a class and or build that isn’t as mobile as your opponent is. I personally play a glassy condi mesmer that struggles to run down warriors, thieves, engis, eles, even teleporting guardians. Countering your opponents strengths is what PvP is all about isn’kitten There certainly are plenty of options out there to do so in this case IMO.

As a player who is focused on WvW as their preferred game mode, I agree that we could use some love from Anet to spice up our experience.

I think though for this type of post to be taken seriously by Anet we need to drop the attitude of superiority that many WvWer’s have towards PvE players. Calling players that enjoy PvE as their preferred game mode “scrubs” is certainly not the way to show that this appeal is coming from a reasonable position.

Also, denigrating EoTM is not conducive to being heard by Anet. I personally dislike EoTM very much because I am the type of WvW player that seeks out smaller more skill based fighting rather than massive “karma-train” zergs. The sheer amount of players that engage in the EoTM zergs totally validates that it is a valuable map because many people clearly enjoy it.

We should acknowledge that Anet has put in some real time on WvW with EoTM, WvW ranks,Traps, Removing Orbs and then replacing them with the Bloodlust objectives. As well as just general polish and mechanic changes. These things take serious time and more testing than in PvE, I would imagine, since there is no issue of balance there.

Hopefully if we approach this from a reasonable and mature perspective we might actually be heard. We WvWer’s as a community have shown that we like to cry an awful lot about very little and that we often times are very unreasonable.

I personally favor the idea of new siege types, map changes and anything that can bring more variety to the WvW experience. I am not in favor of any server merging as I think this would increase zerging and I do not enjoy that myself.

We are definitely not going to any Euro server the ping increase is no good for us.

I just wanted to pop in here and thank all of you for your informative and helpful responses. Once we figure out what is up with the 7 days lockout issues some folks seem to be having, we should be able to transfer with somewhat less trepidation thanks to all the input.

I would just like to clear up a few things about Borlis Brawlers [BB].

We are basically a spiritual successor to Kyle Finnegan’s guild [Soul] who a short time before going pretty much defunkt had participated in a few GvG’s. Some of us really enjoyed them in particular Martin Firestorm who in turn created [BB] when [Soul] stopped running.

[BB] is not an all star GvG team, at least not by design. [BB] has welcomed everybody who has ever asked us to join and participate in our GvG’s. From week to week we have 10-12 core members that show up to every match the rest are totally up in the air until minutes before our matches usually.
We do all play together to some degree as most of us share multiple other common guilds but we have never practiced as a group.
Our GvG comp can be significantly different from match to match and there is very little discussion in regards to composition, we go with what we have every week and if we find ourselves with more than 15 people we sub them in to give them a chance to play.
Also we have been using a different driver in the last 2 matches than we are used to. I would not call him a “backup” driver because I don’t think he is any less of a driver than our normal driver he just has not been the driver as often.

Rob.7624:

You guys getting some last and final trolling in?

Yeah man I am going to miss the hell out of this rivalry to be honest.

osif.8673:

Vigrith.8136:

If you think anybody in GOAT thinks you guys are not good at what you do you got us all wrong. Unlike some people who constantly deride their opponents skill I do not. If you beat someone and then tell them they suck all you have done is invalidate any skill you may claim to have used in the process of that victory.

I guess Plok invalidates his skill all the time then.

Plok is his own man and can say and think the way he wants even if I do not agree with it.
Good news is you guys can find some common ground in this.

osif.8673:

Shucks, avoided again! We’ll just be content with wiping your bad zergs I guess.

osif.8673:

Haha, hardly. But keep on trash talking and never backing it up, bads will be bads.

osif.8673:

…pretty weird hearing you say we’re good at something….

If you think anybody in GOAT thinks you guys are not good at what you do you got us all wrong. Unlike some people who constantly deride their opponents skill I do not. If you beat someone and then tell them they suck all you have done is invalidate any skill you may claim to have used in the process of that victory.

Fraeg.9837:

Naffy.1493:

WvWvW is totally a game of chess……….lulz

Analogy – noun

Feel free to change the games, but my point remains.

tru SMALL

osif.8673:

Shucks, avoided again! We’ll just be content with wiping your bad zergs I guess.

You’d have to stay in this tier to do that.

RAP BATTLE ENGAGED!

GOAT’s roam in a herd eating grass and climbing rocks
If you get in our way we will eat your socks
It is udderly ridiculous for you to try and unwillingly milk us
But if you are nice and sweet and get on your knees
We will give you tasty milk and cheese

osif.8673:

Haha, hardly. But keep on trash talking and never backing it up, bads will be bads.

I’ll rap-battle you bro!

lol so Plok said something once that got under your skin and y’all have been hanging onto that for weeks, that is the issue? Lol not a great idea to reveal your thin skin where Plok can see it. He loves that.

GOAT does not get into all the meta games. We don’t have a dedicated 5 man team. I find it bizarre that somehow the fact that we have found lots of people we like to play together with somehow diminishes us. We do love to roam and just look for kills, we also love taking camps/towers/keeps and defending them we also like winning the week long matches. We enjoy all the aspects of WvW. Mostly we enjoy each other’s company no matter what is we decide to do. I know in these games there is always a subset of people that proclaim to have found the best way to play and that everybody else should be playing that way. I feel a bit sorry for you guys that can only have fun playing one certain way and only have a few people to play with. Constantly trying to convince everybody that if only they played the way you do they would be so much better for it.

tehroi.4619:

Vigrith.8136:

tehroi.4619:

Vigrith.8136:

I would like to post something more lighthearted than some of the earlier posts.
For some reason or another that I can’t recall I upset someone in WvW and they challenged me with the classic: How many WvW kills you got bro?

This also made me curious how my kill # stacks up against others in my tier. I have seen some folks posting 70k+ kills counts from other servers, so i wondered if we have kill counts like that on BP/AR/NSP?

and here is your typical BP wvw’er

notice the bindings all 0 bindings

What does this mean all 0 bindings? Zero in what sense?

0 bindings? omg?

Are you using the number zero to represent the word no? As in “Lol this dumb BP guy has none of his skills bound.” I don’t know what is giving you the impression that my skills are not bound. I use one of those Naga mice and all my skills are bound to that.

tehroi.4619:

Vigrith.8136:

I would like to post something more lighthearted than some of the earlier posts.
For some reason or another that I can’t recall I upset someone in WvW and they challenged me with the classic: How many WvW kills you got bro?

This also made me curious how my kill # stacks up against others in my tier. I have seen some folks posting 70k+ kills counts from other servers, so i wondered if we have kill counts like that on BP/AR/NSP?

and here is your typical BP wvw’er

notice the bindings all 0 bindings

What does this mean all 0 bindings? Zero in what sense?

I would like to post something more lighthearted than some of the earlier posts.
For some reason or another that I can’t recall I upset someone in WvW and they challenged me with the classic: How many WvW kills you got bro?

This also made me curious how my kill # stacks up against others in my tier. I have seen some folks posting 70k+ kills counts from other servers, so i wondered if we have kill counts like that on BP/AR/NSP?

Jscull.2514:

Vigrith.8136:

Jscull.2514:

Vigrith.8136:

osif.8673:

Vigrith.8136:

Well apparently it isn’t just Jscull then. I am sure through the PAXA lens every fight against against GOAT is either a huge GOAT zerg that you have no chance of defeating or a huge GOAT zerg that you out-skilled. It must be nice to live in that world.

I’m sorry you took my post offensively. No, we have also outnumbered GOAT on a few rare occasions. I’m just saying that I don’t believe you have beaten us on even grounds. Maybe you have a different definition of the word “even” than I do. 5v6, 5v7 even enough. 5v8… still debatably even. 5v10+? Not even at all.

Offensively? I can’t imagine how you managed to perceive me being offended from reading my reply. The more PAXA talks the more my theory seems to be the case. Of course you can’t recall GOAT giving you an even fight. You are unable to perceive it that way because of your method of thinking. If you are better than everybody and you get beat then whoever beat you must have such an overwhelming advantage that it undermines the credibility of that defeat. I honestly think this could be a great case study for a Psychologist.

Instead of spewing your “do a study” garbage, I honestly think… Put your money where your mouths at. We admit losing when it actually is real even circumstances. Osif even went as far as saying evenish… You are just spewing. If we knew there was a GOAT 5 man separate from the Plokity Plok bunch we would act accordingly. Clearly we just haven’t seen it and we run every night. Back it up.

Lol I love the “PAXA 5 man” thing. I really love when your ‘“PAXA 5 man” have 3 splat guys 1 dry guy and 2 envy following you around and making it so your “PAXA 5 man” beats a 10 man and you can cheer that your “PAXA 5 man” beat twice it’s number.

What I’m gathering is you copping out of putting your money where your mouth is…?

I am sure you will see us. We are a fairly active WvW guild if you have not noticed.

Jscull.2514:

Vigrith.8136:

osif.8673:

Vigrith.8136:

Well apparently it isn’t just Jscull then. I am sure through the PAXA lens every fight against against GOAT is either a huge GOAT zerg that you have no chance of defeating or a huge GOAT zerg that you out-skilled. It must be nice to live in that world.

I’m sorry you took my post offensively. No, we have also outnumbered GOAT on a few rare occasions. I’m just saying that I don’t believe you have beaten us on even grounds. Maybe you have a different definition of the word “even” than I do. 5v6, 5v7 even enough. 5v8… still debatably even. 5v10+? Not even at all.

Offensively? I can’t imagine how you managed to perceive me being offended from reading my reply. The more PAXA talks the more my theory seems to be the case. Of course you can’t recall GOAT giving you an even fight. You are unable to perceive it that way because of your method of thinking. If you are better than everybody and you get beat then whoever beat you must have such an overwhelming advantage that it undermines the credibility of that defeat. I honestly think this could be a great case study for a Psychologist.

Instead of spewing your “do a study” garbage, I honestly think… Put your money where your mouths at. We admit losing when it actually is real even circumstances. Osif even went as far as saying evenish… You are just spewing. If we knew there was a GOAT 5 man separate from the Plokity Plok bunch we would act accordingly. Clearly we just haven’t seen it and we run every night. Back it up.

Lol I love the “PAXA 5 man” thing. I really love when your ‘“PAXA 5 man” have 3 splat guys 1 dry guy and 2 envy following you around and making it so your “PAXA 5 man” beats a 10 man and you can cheer that your “PAXA 5 man” beat twice it’s number.

osif.8673:

Vigrith.8136:

Well apparently it isn’t just Jscull then. I am sure through the PAXA lens every fight against against GOAT is either a huge GOAT zerg that you have no chance of defeating or a huge GOAT zerg that you out-skilled. It must be nice to live in that world.

I’m sorry you took my post offensively. No, we have also outnumbered GOAT on a few rare occasions. I’m just saying that I don’t believe you have beaten us on even grounds. Maybe you have a different definition of the word “even” than I do. 5v6, 5v7 even enough. 5v8… still debatably even. 5v10+? Not even at all.

Offensively? I can’t imagine how you managed to perceive me being offended from reading my reply. The more PAXA talks the more my theory seems to be the case. Of course you can’t recall GOAT giving you an even fight. You are unable to perceive it that way because of your method of thinking. If you are better than everybody and you get beat then whoever beat you must have such an overwhelming advantage that it undermines the credibility of that defeat. I honestly think this could be a great case study for a Psychologist.

osif.8673:

Vigrith.8136:

Done and Done.
I would say that GOAT has lost to and beat PAXA with equal (give or take a few) numbers regularly. The issue as I see it is that PAXA (or maybe just Jscull) seem to suffer from some type of group-size dysmorphia wherein they (or just Jscull) perceive that when they win their group was always smaller than those they beat and therefore it was their skill that allowed them to win. Conversely when they lose they are always outnumbered and therefore their skills cannot be questioned. I see PAXA (or just Jscull) criticizing GOAT for the same reasons they criticize BURN and ALS, yet our roster is a tiny fraction of theirs. GOAT routinely runs with groups of just 5-10 just as often as we run with 10-20 and a whole lot more than we run with 30+ which we may be able to muster once a week. Maybe this is just an isolated phenomenon with GOAT and we are the puffer fish of WvW guilds. I would guess the issue is more about PAXA (or just Jscull) always having a built in excuse because they depend so much on their image of the super strike team that destroys zergs and only loses when it was a foregone conclusion anyway.

I’m not going to say that PAXA has never lost to an even GOAT group since I’m not in every PAXA group. I will say that I have never been in any of those fights. I’m not trying to say that I make a difference, I am saying that everyone in PAXA has no problem with admitting defeat, as we have before, and usually talk about it when we do lose. If there has been a situation that a PAXA group has lost to an even-ish sized GOAT group, I have not heard about it and I do doubt your word on beating us in a fair fight.

Well apparently it isn’t just Jscull then. I am sure through the PAXA lens every fight against against GOAT is either a huge GOAT zerg that you have no chance of defeating or a huge GOAT zerg that you out-skilled. It must be nice to live in that world.

Jscull.2514:

… Stop us in game with less than 10. Cheers

Done and Done.
I would say that GOAT has lost to and beat PAXA with equal (give or take a few) numbers regularly. The issue as I see it is that PAXA (or maybe just Jscull) seem to suffer from some type of group-size dysmorphia wherein they (or just Jscull) perceive that when they win their group was always smaller than those they beat and therefore it was their skill that allowed them to win. Conversely when they lose they are always outnumbered and therefore their skills cannot be questioned. I see PAXA (or just Jscull) criticizing GOAT for the same reasons they criticize BURN and ALS, yet our roster is a tiny fraction of theirs. GOAT routinely runs with groups of just 5-10 just as often as we run with 10-20 and a whole lot more than we run with 30+ which we may be able to muster once a week. Maybe this is just an isolated phenomenon with GOAT and we are the puffer fish of WvW guilds. I would guess the issue is more about PAXA (or just Jscull) always having a built in excuse because they depend so much on their image of the super strike team that destroys zergs and only loses when it was a foregone conclusion anyway.

HackerTeivospy.2031:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDJLZTlIWW4

if you watch closely you can see GOAT focusing the unfinished ram instead of the treb

Although I cannot watch the video (This video contains content from WMG, SME, UMG and EMI, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.)
I think I remember this. There was a group of about 4-5 Thieves on the eastern side of the bridge island with a treb firing on lake tower. They also had an unfinished flame ram up there which we thought was pretty funny. We thought we would just kill the ram to be funny too.

Hammerhorn.1347:

I think why GOAT is confused is because the fight club started with VS and Sekz last week on EB and then got moved to BPBL after Evil ran us over with a zerg by seemingly accidental means …

GOAT isn’t confused. I just made a small error when making the post.

Hammerhorn.1347:

Vigrith.8136:

Carrying this over from last week’s thread

Hammerhorn.1347:

I was under the impression that GOAT would try to pull a PAXA and attempt to wipe the “fight club”.

I am curious what gave you that impression? I can’t think of a single time GOAT has done anything like that. As long as these events are out of the way I can’t imagine us ever breaking up a fight club. We certainly would never hunt them down and purposefully try to ruin others gaming experience when it is not interfering with ours.

All that aside those of us that joined in had fun, although all of us wished for more variety in classes to fight. We brought a Ranger, Necro, Engi and a Warrior. I think I saw about 12 Thieves a few Mesmers and one Guardian.

Im not sure why someone is placeing my name with this response and only pasting half of that old post but heres the whole post and those words were not mine:

Evilzara.6378:

Lorn.3208:

Indeed, minus the whole wiping by Evilzara and his/her zerg near Mendons that one time. Your mesmers were borderline annoying, and I have no idea what your P/D Thief was attempting to do during most of those fights.

I was under the impression that GOAT would try to pull a PAXA and attempt to wipe the “fight club”. Which would have been mildly amusing if they had tried.

Carry on people.

I came to say hi! And my followers killed you guys. Sorry.

Evil has a tracking device on me and appears with 40 people whenever she/he see’s a VS tag … Evil should get the joke doubt the QQs will though.

Guild Leader of Valiant Sword
Commander Hammerhorn Da Great
Defender of Anvil Rock 80 Guardian / 80 Thief / 80 Warrior

So if it was some kind of mistake ok , but I have nothing but respect for anyone or any team that likes to do fight club with us and everything you posted to make a statement about was taken out of context and were not even my words! Get your facts straight before making post kk and ty.

Yep was just a mistake when I was making the post I removed the wrong name from the quote. The reason I did not put in the entire post was because I was only responding to the part of the post I quoted. I also fixed it so it properly shows that the quote was from Lorn.3208

Carrying this over from last week’s thread

Lorn.3208:

I was under the impression that GOAT would try to pull a PAXA and attempt to wipe the “fight club”.

I am curious what gave you that impression? I can’t think of a single time GOAT has done anything like that. As long as these events are out of the way I can’t imagine us ever breaking up a fight club. We certainly would never hunt them down and purposefully try to ruin others gaming experience when it is not interfering with ours.

All that aside those of us that joined in had fun, although all of us wished for more variety in classes to fight. We brought a Ranger, Necro, Engi and a Warrior. I think I saw about 12 Thieves a few Mesmers and one Guardian.

Toble.2968:

…I like GOAT, they are fun. I like them the most out of all the guilds we’ve been matched up with lately.

Hey man thanks! We GOATs really have worked hard at always trying to focus on fun first. It is surprising how difficult that can be with competitive people that want to win. Cool stuff happens when you find a ways to have fun no matter what the score is.

Gotta love this crap, just transfer already.

Tricare.2946:

Vigrith.8136:

Tricare.2946:

GOAT you need more meat on your bones, you’re a little to easy. http://youtu.be/-VizYSSRk_o

Congrats you killed our leveling group. I know this is a big deal for you, beating GOAT. Someday you may graduate to fighting our leveled and geared toons. Keep it up you’ll get there!

I would suggest that it says more about you that you took the time to make this and post it. Than it does about all the level 20’s you killed.

Pick the place, time, and numbers we’ll be there. The video to follow will look identical.

Identical? Don’t be silly. You beat a bunch toons grinding levels, you are the one that was so proud of it you just had to post it. You have demonstrated that a hollow victory gets you pretty excited. Could you really be dumb enough to think a fight against a geared group would be identical? I doubt it. I mean aside from the fact that it already would not be identical by virtue of the meaning of the word.

Tricare.2946:

GOAT you need more meat on your bones, you’re a little to easy. http://youtu.be/-VizYSSRk_o

Congrats you killed our leveling group. I know this is a big deal for you, beating GOAT. Someday you may graduate to fighting our leveled and geared toons. Keep it up you’ll get there!

I would suggest that it says more about you that you took the time to make this and post it. Than it does about all the level 20’s you killed.

Fraeg.9837:

Ninja Stealthy.8740:

ALL YORN BASE ARE BELONG TO US

I really admire how you guys have fought an uphill battle these past few hours to achieve this. Way to persevere!

You Inspire Me!!!

As I read this a single tear rolls down my cheek, be still my beating heart! OH DRAGONBRAND you are the wind beneath my wings!

While I agree that server transfers have ruined certain communities others benefit from it. I am sure that some of the servers that got transfers and are now thriving because of it are not too upset about free transfers. The way I look at it is that our bracket system is somewhat like a sports playoff that never ends. If every sports team could have their same roster indefinitely the playoff would become totally stagnant. The server transfers are a bit like a draft and retirement in how they effect the teams. In sports there is always an influx of new talent and the old guard is slowly fading out. For individual servers the transfers are either terrible or great and it is very polarizing. For the overall community it keeps movement in the brackets and the opportunity for suffering servers to start to succeed. The transfers create a more natural death and rebirth kind of cycle.

It seems there is some doubt about GOAT’s claims about the doppelganger guild that has the same tag and a very similar name as ours. Notice how the person in question is selected, this is a pro-tip for all “evidence-style” screenshots. Try it out!

Cheeky.1830:

lawls, you got busted plain and simple.

It is a real shame you did not manage to click on any of these guys. Sort of an odd way to identify people really… I know when I take screens of people exploiting I always target them so as to be sure what guild they are in. I will say that as far as I can tell those do not look like our guys but it is very hard to tell when you have the team colors turned on. (BTW you can turn off the always red/blue/green team colors on the enemy in the options) Although this video does not prove that those 2 guys are members of “Shadow of Agony [GOAT]” had you targeted them and it was shown that they were indeed real GOAT’s it would only prove that we have 2 guys that do not follow our rules. GOAT explicitly forbids it’s members from exploiting. Had you been able to prove they were in our guild we could have done something. We also take screens and videos of exploiters and we appreciate that you are doing the same. We all need to work together to try and make this type of game play an unattractive option for players.

Here we go with our Holiday WvW matchup. Happy Holidays everybody.

The population argument is stupid. AR has MORE than enough players on their server to fill their maps, they just can’t convince them to WvW. If it were the case that your whole server has less than 500 people total then you would have grounds to complain. Motivate your own server from within and you will have plenty of players to WvW.

It is a FACT that BP has more WvW oriented players than AR. It is also a FACT the the overwhelming majority of those players were BP players that has previously not participated in WvW.

AR quit banging your head against a wall screaming the same excuses over and over and take control of your server and shape it into something you can stop using as a built in excuse to lose.

Rinzler.8072:

DKz Lux.4125:

Rinzler.8072:

Nice to see GOAT practicing their jump puzzle skills.

Doesn’t your screenshot show them inside the keep they ALREADY own?

mind = blown

Why would you practice a jump puzzle in an enemies keep? Obviously u perfect it in your own keep… /facepalm

Is that how you guys practice your exploits?

Rinzler.8072:

Nice to see GOAT practicing their jump puzzle skills.

Er. I am not Sherlock Holmes but it sort of looks like GOAT members in their own keep… I was never very good at wheres waldo books. What am I looking for here?

Anvil Pants.3426:

Aw, the old Jumping Puzzle hack! Wait… what is BP doing here?

Ran in the open gate before you took it.
This was stage 2 of a 5 stage kitten kicking maneuver.

Hmmm What are you doing AR…..?

jkctmc.8754:

It’s not like how GOAT never loses, ever.

We certainly lose plenty. In fact quite a few of your members participated in another glorious routing of GOAT along with the other 50 AR at bay. SoS got us again! Good on you!

jkctmc.8754:

@Vigrith

Goat members can actually kill anything but alts? <laughs>

Screenshot, or it didn’t happen, and when you kill a solid guild, look for those little green arrows that shows you if they’re 80 or not. We roll over GOAT quite often when on our 80s.

The anonymous “we” that can kill us.
I like how in one breath you demand proof from me, while in the next you make similar claims without proof of your own. We both know the reasons for that are in reality the only groups that roll GOATs are groups that outnumbers us greatly. The only people that don’t already know that have yet to meet us in battle.

Rinzler.8072:

…Let me guess…

Stop it, you are terrible at the guessing game. Plok is neither pure bunker or pure healing, seems like you would know that since we routinely roll you and your guild over and over and over with Plok leading the charge. You and your guild should also have noticed by now that we almost always run with only our own guild and our groups rarely exceed 25 members.
BTW I am a ranger got anything snarky for that? Maybe our OP spirits and shouts?

Since the trail of this new culling system I have not noticed any improvements with the rendering of my enemies whatsoever. I have however noticed my allies being invisible to me. Overall my experience has not really changed. The rendering of people in my FOV is still very poor although playable by tabbing much like a blind man with a walking cane.
Myself and my Guild-mates have however noticed a new phenomenon that we all experienced simultaneously on multiple occasions. Silence… when wading into a fight, of generally only partially rendered enemies we all noticed all our game sounds were gone. Generally the sounds start to fade in bit by bit usually starting with just my own combat sounds and then others and all the other effects eventually start to play again. I have also noticed my sounds not always being present when first loading into a map in WvW.

Stiv.1820:

Honestly a Ranger is the one prof that has every right to complain. Any thief with a offhand dagger will get free stealth at will vs your pet and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. That’s why they need to patch in an ability for rangers to “dismiss” their pet for a buff of some sort. There is zero and I mean zero chance to beat a p/d thief as a Ranger. If Rangers are pulling it off it’s because the Thief is bad.

I play a Ranger as my main and I WvW quite a bit (12k+ WvW kills) and I agree that most of the time a thief 1v1 can kill my ranger. Although I personally have a ranger built more for group play I think there are some solid things a ranger can do to defend himself against a thief. I have a bunker type build for my ranger and with my pet absorbing CC and CC triggering auto-stealth and -30% dmg below 25% health from traits. If i get lucky and one of my CC triggered traits fire off somtimes that will give me the counter I need to the initial burst of a thief. When those do fire off I have time to switch to GS and put up my block and try and knock down the thief. If both of those happen, I can then follow with a pommel strike stun and the grasping vine things. If ALL of those things work I can often times beat a thief but almost always it does not go like that…

On a more general note, in GW2 you can bind a key to the about face function that with one key will face you the other way. It is even faster than snap turning with a mouse. Hitting this key when a thief strikes you puts you facing him instantly and if he flips over you, you can just hit it again and again. It can keep you alive .2 seconds longer.

Bunzy.8674:

Vigrith.8136:

Bunzy.8674:

Vigrith.8136:

Bunzy.8674:

Plok.6145:

It has no need to be changed, its one of the best new dynamics added to combat I have seen in the many games i have played. Don’t let the door hit you in the kitten

The truth is, it’s a great mechanic for bad players. I am sorry but that’s the truth of the matter.

The actual truth is that good players adapt and learn how to excel. Bad players complain and point the blame away from themselves.

Great players know what is adaptable and what is broken. The downed state is so broken it’s not even funny, it’s not even balanced.

I love how you indirectly declare yourself great and then proceed to admit that you cannot adapt to a mechanic that thousands of people all have been able to adapt to.

So let me get this straight, you are a great player but you are unable to adapt to the downed state. By virtue of you clearly infallible logic I, being one who enjoys the downed state am bad. Yet somehow in my badness I am able to adapt to a mechanic that you cannot. Awesome =)

The downed state encourages a numbers > skill wins. If you run with a zerg and pick of smaller groups no wonder you love it. You don’t adapt you abuse there is a difference. The downed state is a horrible mechanic for everyone who is skilled and a great mechanic for everyone who is bad, that’s why i have such a problem with it.

Although at times I do run with large groups as I am sure most of us do. I personally spend the majority of my time running with my guild in groups of 5-30. We routinely kill groups twice our size and we use the downed state to our advantage ALOT. Whenever we see a downed player we focus our AOE on them knowing that some will come to rez them. This starts to create a pile of bodies that continues to work against the larger group.
This is just one example of how players can adapt to mechanics instead of just declaring them broken and anybody who does not agree must therefore be bad.
I actually totally disagree with the idea that the downed state itself gives an advantage to larger groups. I have had many battles with my guild groups where we have come back from the brink of defeat against a larger force to eventually win. That only happens because of the downed state.

IMO what this whole issue really comes down to is the childish knee-jerk “THAT’S NOT FAIR” reaction because of the way the downed state can bring a group from losing to winning. I think that all this crying about this mechanic is all stemming from this same emotional reaction to the tide of battle turning on people that thought they were winning only to realize that they are not. It is a similar reaction that gets ppl to alt-f4. They think in their minds they should win and when they don’t it hurts their feelings and they can’t take it.

BTW how exactly do you think I am abusing the downed system? You say I don’t adapt, I abuse. I have no clue where you would even get the basis for making a statement like that.

Bunzy.8674:

Vigrith.8136:

Bunzy.8674:

Plok.6145:

It has no need to be changed, its one of the best new dynamics added to combat I have seen in the many games i have played. Don’t let the door hit you in the kitten

The truth is, it’s a great mechanic for bad players. I am sorry but that’s the truth of the matter.

The actual truth is that good players adapt and learn how to excel. Bad players complain and point the blame away from themselves.

Great players know what is adaptable and what is broken. The downed state is so broken it’s not even funny, it’s not even balanced.

I love how you indirectly declare yourself great and then proceed to admit that you cannot adapt to a mechanic that thousands of people all have been able to adapt to.

So let me get this straight, you are a great player but you are unable to adapt to the downed state. By virtue of you clearly infallible logic I, being one who enjoys the downed state am bad. Yet somehow in my badness I am able to adapt to a mechanic that you cannot. Awesome =)

Bunzy.8674:

Plok.6145:

It has no need to be changed, its one of the best new dynamics added to combat I have seen in the many games i have played. Don’t let the door hit you in the kitten

The truth is, it’s a great mechanic for bad players. I am sorry but that’s the truth of the matter.

The actual truth is that good players adapt and learn how to excel. Bad players complain and point the blame away from themselves.

Hi there Plok, fancy seeing you here…

This is like asking ANET to remove jumping, or dodging or any other core movement/combat mechanic. Of course they will not remove it. On another note, can you imagine an analogous customer/company relationship where you would get a response by treating the company with disrespect? It is not a successful strategy for getting what you want, even if what you want is silly and you would never get it anyway.