Guild Wars 2

I feel flattered that someone thinks I’m important enough to publicly smear. I’m also chuckling at how lame the attempt to do so was.

Honestly, I can say I knew absolutely nothing about this drama until just a few hours ago, when I first read about it on our server forums. I have not even played the game in 48 hours. I have dozens of friends, hundreds of guildies, hundreds more alliance-mates that can all verify that claim. To call me a liar is to call each and every one of them, who knows I’ve not even been in the game, a liar.

I live in Thailand, which is 12 hours ahead of most U.S. timezones. My Halloween festivities began around 8am, in North American time. I partied my tail off until 4am my time and have been recovering from the hangover ever since. I’m posting photos on our server forums shortly, for those on Darkhaven that are curious what I dressed up as.

So yeah, this is just petty Darkhaven politics at its worst and I apologize it made its way to these public forums, which I’ve not even read until today.

Realizing I am a controversial figure on these forums, I understand that many from NSP may not like me very much. I am vocal and not always delicate in my tone.

However, I have a great deal of respect for NSP. I was in Mag’s East Hills Keep with about 20 of my DH brothers defending that point for a good six hours from your relentless assault. It was tremendous fun and eventually, you got it. We knew it was only a matter of time because you had our supplies cut off and we could only repair the walls and gates so many times before the inevitable happened.

Your persistence was very impressive and we kept saying in vent how determined you guys were in accomplishing your mission! So hats off for a very well-fought fight that seemed to last forever and NEVER got boring for a single minute!

I just want to say, for what it’s worth, I hope you get more guilds to join your server. You deserve it. You are indeed a fun and friendly group who fights a clean fight. It would be my honor to fight against you again some day. So please hang in there, try to get some good, loyal guilds that will become your friends and climb back up the ladder because you deserve it.

And yes, I want to chime in too and agree with everyone here that free transfers need to stop. I like the idea earlier of allowing free transfers from over-populated top-tier servers. If they drop down a few brackets to help those with lower pops, that should be allowed.

Aurainsoph.5426:

You still didn’t answer the question about what is the more fair way to win, numbers or skill and coordination.

It is all three, with none being any more important than the other, especially when fighting against another server that has (or is close to having) all three as well.

When a RL country goes to war against another country, which Army wins the day? The one that has the numbers, the training, the coordination and I will add one more, equally important one: the equipment. Logistics and gear are vital to achieve victory.

So it’s all four, and every server playing this game should be striving to achieve superiority in all four. Instead of asking game developers to change the game to adapt to your weaknesses, you should be working at filling your weaknesses.

People who complain about their shortcomings will never fix their shortcomings. But motivated people who recognize their shortcomings (without blaming everyone but themselves) will fix them so they are prepared for the enemy.

How would real war work if the Army of one country tells their leader or their people, “We just don’t have the numbers to win this fight.” So is that country suppose to call their enemy up and say, “you need to downsize your army so you don’t slaughter us so badly”.

If one server in GW2 has 4 out of 4 essential prerequisites to winning the match-up, the only server that even stands a chance of beating them is another server with 4 out of 4. A server with 3 out of 4 will beat a server that only has 2 out of 4 and so on.

Currently, DH has close to 3 out of 4, probably about 2.7, objectively speaking. But we are very actively working on the remaining shortcomings so we will be able to compete in the highest brackets.

So instead of complaining to us and waiting for Anet to change something they’re probably never going to change (regarding WvW pop/time scaling), why not do some recruiting for your server?

Was in the middle of a short reply to you zTales on the other thread when it got locked. I wrote:

I’d actually be inclined to take you up on that offer to gain a more fair, objective perspective. But I fear I wouldn’t be able to return home within 24 hours due to our full server population.

Kumbaya My Lord…Kumbaya!

No need to whine, when we’re the ones kicking your tail. This is about like-minded people, playing a game in a like-minded way. And I can see the kind of people that Maguuma attracts/retains.

On thing free server transfers have taught us is that many folks have managed to find a home that’s the right fit for them. You all fit very nicely in with each other, I’ll give you that.

Ok, for the last time. They appear on screenshots and videos exactly as they appear to us: guild-less, low-levels of our own server. I’m quite certain whoever is doing it is doing it on the down-low. I acknowledge you’re not going to know who’s doing it, because even hackers usually do their stuff in total secrecy for fear of getting banned.

Obviously, if the person doing it were discovered, he should and would be ostracized. But a video of a level 10 nobody with a temporary account, character named, ‘aadglsdhfuhsfd’ or whatever isn’t going to show you, me or Anet jack squat. And there is another excuse offered by Javy:

11) If it’s happening it’s not someone from Maguuma; just someone passing through.

It’s happening to two servers on this match-up, and you’re not one of them. Do you want everyone who witnessed it to chime in here and say the same thing, over and over for you to get the message? Oh wait, then you will just tell dozens of people, “show us your videos” which is laughable because nothing can be derived from them.

All we get is smoke and mirrors from each and every one of you. Seriously, a disgrace to the GW2 community and your posts to these forums confirm that your server deserves the reputation its earned.

Normally, I’m very much opposed to labeling a server for the actions of a few. I am upset and very disappointed in Mag as a whole because despite every claim from two different, opposing servers (some public, some not so public) Mag has yet to show any surprise, remorse or disappointment that this supply burning with bogus accounts even COULD be happening.

Not one of you has the stones, courage or fortitude to stand up and say, “Yeah, I admit we’ve got some bad apples doing stuff we cannot control and for that we are sorry. Please do not let that impact your view of our server as a whole.” That is a pretty common thing to read from servers that truly want to distance themselves from the hackers, etc.

All we hear from Mag is the following:

1) Everybody does it so deal with it;
2) All’s fair;
3) Show us the proof;
4) It’s idiots on your own server;
5) You don’t know what you’re talking about;
6) Nobody’s every complained about us doing it before;
7) You lost with bad tactics and this is how you deal with it;
8) These accusations are false;
9) You’re just attempting to smear a server;
10) You’re delusional

I could continue with the list of all Mag responses that have risen on this thread. But not ONE person has responded with something like “Wait, WE are doing that?”

If my server was accused of doing something like this, the first thing I would do is ask around all the Guild Leaders I’m friends with to see if they’d heard of anything like this, or who was responsible. In other words, I would investigate. If I discovered from other servers that we have a reputation for it, I would show an apologetic tone, seeking forgiveness for those aspects of an MMO we cannot control.

Because nobody has stood up and showed some backbone; or displayed a shred of fair-mindedness, I can form this impression about your server. Not one voice has the decency to offer a sincere apology on behalf of your server. I’d probably feel much differently about Mag if I saw some morale fortitude in more of your posts.

@Javy:

It is not being done on every server and stop making that pathetic claim! My GW2 play has been entirely devoted to WvW since the second week of game’s release. I have never seen that done by another server until this match-up. I’ve got it on reliable sources from friends who play in the upper tiers that two servers have a reputation for it; yours was one, GoM the other, as previously stated by another poster.

And how can screenshots help capture the perpetrator when they are doing it from completely different ghost account; NOT from their main, native Mag account??? All you see in the screenshot is one of OUR players building a ram in our own keep. It does not tell us who from Mag is doing it, nor does it tell you. But we report to get the black account banned.

I can safely say it is not someone from NSP, because we played NSP last week and never saw this occur.

@Javy:
Those sources sufficiently address the specific problems we are discussing with the game mechanics. Yes, they are essentially saying, take the game’s shortcoming to adapt, play around them.

But you said ALL is fair. You gave citations which specifically address night-capping and the glitching and culling problems we are coping with in the game. Even I have stated on this thread, essentially the same thing that we must deal with the game as it is, until it improves. Within your citation, Anet acknowledges that some exploits have their limits because they go way outside of the scope of intended functionality.

There is a difference between acceptable glitches in the game we have to cope with, and more nefarious deeds that warrant a banning. By your logic that all is fair, would you say creating bogus accounts to plant on enemy servers to burn supply is fair? Just curious because you’d be giving this community a good hint as to where to start looking for the culprits.

Your citations do not condone or excuse that, which is the problem using those citations to back your quote that “all’s fair”

“Thus far, Anet has declared all’s fair.”…citation please.

@hobbes: regarding your quote, “Enjoy taking the high road and “playing fair” Darkhaven, you will eventually regret it. You should be thanking Maguuma for teaching you a thing or two on how to WvW at an upper tier.”

I was thinking the exact same thing! I do thank you for this. I’d much rather be learning it from a server we can stomp than a server that will stomp us. Yes, we are in for a wake-up call when we move up a bracket or two and Maguuma is our alarm clock right now.

You have been a blessing for us. We are grateful. Thanks for giving us the lessons, the opportunity to grow and improve, all while we retain a very good chance of beating you with fair play.

I’m not even trying to be smug about this. I know it totally comes across as smug, but I feel fortunate that DH is learning the ropes while it doesn’t cost us very much in doing so.

There are free trials on this game. I’ve never set this up myself, so I’m not sure of the exact conditions that produce it but basically, anyone can set up a a fresh account to go to whatever server they want.

What you do is create a new account and try to purchase GW2 using a bogus credit card. I don’t know if it has to be an expired card or one without available credit or whatever. But when the payment is declined, Anet gives the player a 3-day grace period to resolve their billing issue. BAM! There’s your trial account and Anet naturally does not advertise that. Now combine that with someone running multiple VMs, using some IP masking or a proxy to protect their own IP and you’ve got your infiltrator(s) on other servers burning supply.

Actually, I have to agree with just about everything Besetment from Maguuma wrote. I do take issue with his one statement that “Darkhaven does not have intelligent command and it is not organized.” I do dispute that, but I also acknowledge we have a ways to go on that front because we are not perfect.

I really don’t have an issue with rendering glitches because as stated so many times, there are ways to react to them and ways to counter them. We DO need to learn those ways if we hope to be competitive in the next brackets.

Unfortunately, while we take the high road and choose not to abuse them, it is inevitable that other servers will view this as a legitimate tactic, even if they won’t admit its abusing a glitch in the game mechanics.

Nevertheless, I have heard that it’s not only commonplace in most of the higher-tier servers, they are also far more organized exploiting such glitches than we’ve seen from Maguuma.

It’s a pity your class was interrupted, Besetment. I try to take advantage of the last couple days of decent leads to organize some training with pubs too, but it’s hard. I’ve been working on rehearsing one advanced (legitimate) tactic when other servers pops drop off because small group coordination is something we still need improvement, as server that is.

We have some really good guilds, with leaders and commanders that pull off some sweet stuff almost exclusively with members of their guilds. But so far as introducing our pubs and WvW newbies to some advanced concepts it’s a challenge to say the least, especially when they don’t understand what the end result is supposed to produce.

Anyway, I’m saving some of these advanced things, practicing them with pubs when I can, as sort of the ace up our sleeve, the surprise play to call when we start falling behind. It’s the Hail Mary football toss that’s risky to try, but can produce the big results right when you need them.

But if DH players are modest enough to look at our own weaknesses, some really good advice can be taken from Besetment’s comments, even if we disagree with portions of it. We still have a ways to go, as a learning/improving server.

Now with that said, I really have no problem with any of the shady tactics because as I said before, we just have to live with them until Anet makes a ruling and corrects the code. What I DO have a serious problem with is, some Maguuma players doing things that we can do absolutely nothing about to stop or prevent. We can’t even report and the folks behind it sit comfortably in their chairs, laughing their bottoms off that their main account is safe from any banning.

On my next post I will explain how folks are setting this up, for all those nay-sayers who think I’m just blowing smoke. (I’m doing it as a separate post because it will probably get deleted by mods, and don’t want what I wrote above to be lost).

Well, funny how we’ve never seen that from those “idiots” on our own server until the first hours of ou match-up with a server that is known to employ this. Granted, it may be a handful of individuals, but again, if we had a heads-up to expect it from Mag and it happens for the very first time against Mag, I think we can rule our own “idiots” our of the equation.

I wonder how we knew to expect this from Mag, yet everyone here from Mag (natrually so) claims to know nothing about this. I’m gonna listen to Malixor now, because I think most of you are not so naive as you are playing and just baiting us into a flame war. So I won’t post on this subject anymore tonight.

But I hope the Alliance between NSP and DH works out during our prime time.

If you are on Mag and disapprove, then maybe we should hear more of you chiming in by saying something like “No! That is NOT cool of our server!” and start asking some questions amongst yourselves about who’s behind it, instead playing this smoke and mirrors game and saying we just lose to bad tactics.

Ok, spying is one thing. That doesn’t bother me in the slightest because I don’t need real-time intelligence on another server because reaction times are so short and battles are so dynamic that such information gives very little value. Nothing we can do about that anyway, and would be a waste of breath to think we could.

Planting account on other servers for the purpose of sabotage is completely different. Throwing more than just a few saboteurs into the other servers to clear supplies out of keeps and towers, wasting them on flame rams so upgrades cannot complete is another. We’ve all heard the stories of it happening at one point or another and I felt thoroughly happy about my WvW experience so far that DH had not seen that happen in a previous match-up.

Someone told me, and I’m sorry that I can’t cite it here now, that going this far with under-handed, subversive accounts is ban-able offense. So we’ve been reporting each hoping they’ll get the boot. But it takes Anet days at least to react, and in that time the damage is already done and the trial account is expired anyway. But it doesn’t really matter if its a ban-able offense or not, because as I said, the ban would have no impact since an infinite number of black accounts can be set up by a few, crafty players.

So these are not real players that we can report. The people behind it play their normal accounts clean and with a good rep, I’m sure.

Well most members who played in the first hours of reset, from both NSP and DH were buzzing all over their vents about seeing what we heard to expect to see from Maguum. We were cautioned to watch out for certain things that happened to both of us.

Main NSP and DH Guild Leaders reached out to each other to ask if they were seeing the same, and it was confirmed that we were both victims of this nonsense. Relevant reporting has been made, but it does little good since the stuff being done can easily be done by a level 10 character on a “black account”. Sure that account will get banned, but the players don’t care because its not a fully registered/paid account. It’s one of those 3-day trial accounts, which Anet needs to get rid of imo.

Anyway, the idea of this alliance between servers is not an idea from either of us to gain a point lead. It was born out of both servers being mad as kitten about what is being done to us. Certain Maguum players created this alliance with their actions.

I can tell you, from my perspective, I would not have considered such an alliance or even bothered to entertain the idea, had we not seen this happen. I agree its not the fairest or the coolest thing to do, but given these circumstances, I think it is perfectly appropriate and sends a message to those on Maguuma responsible that they will not win like that.

If you’re on Maguuma and not familiar with what I’m talking about, just ask anybody on the top-tier servers who study all the other servers in depth, and they will tell you what Maguuma is well-known for.

EDIT: For those on Maguuma that are in the dark with this stuff, I apologize, but you really should know more about your own server. DH has never played Maguuma before, but even we knew to watch out for this stuff, which started happening in the first hours of reset.

Yes you did, Rodigee. And I’m fairly certain you know why. Do you know why?

As far as I know Reido, [VIP] are just having trouble getting all of their members into DH because we are full pop. Many of them are just waiting for an opening to occur and are trying frequently to cut over. We from DH do not believe it’s being done by NSP to spy on us, given their history on NSP server. If it’s any reassurance to you, I’ve not heard one word mentioned about using those still on NSP as spies for us. We don’t roll like that. If we did, we’d ask the remaining [VIP] members to burn keep suplies and sabotage NSP’s efforts the way another server is known for.

EDIT for clarification: We are NOT asking them to do that and HOPE they do not try after reading this thread. ANYONE caught doing that needs to be reported!

Thanks and well said, malixor. This is much bigger than the issue of points. It is taking a stand and making a strong statement in favor of fair play.

And for those of you who ONLY care about the points and how you finish in the rankings, think of the alliance this way…we will help ensure, almost lock in your second place finish. That’s not to say you still can’t finish 1st either.

If you are completely focused on taking us down, well you’ll see from last week that’s all fine and good now, during these, our hours of weakness, when you feel strong. But you don’t want to be fighting against us during prime-time, not when you’re struggling for a hold of second place. Certainly not until we each have full control of our own BL and our own halves of Mag map. Basically, when we’ve divided everything pretty much down the middle, pushing mag out, we unleash hell on each other and have a lot of fun in the process.

So think of it this way, we are guaranteeing you points, uncontested. Yes, you can say the same about us, but frankly, we we’re not doing this looking for such a guarantee; we don’t need it. We simply want to show Mag that stuff they’ve done to BOTH our servers on the first day will not be tolerated and they deserve to finish in last place, dropping further down the ladder, because they’re known to use these methods in every match-up and some of them are even proud of it!

Well, it’s between the organized guilds from each server. Both servers realize not everyone is on board, so your group must not be part of your core alliance. If you are, care to share your guild tag/role with us?

We will see breaches of the agreement from your folks and vice versa because not everyone on the server is on board of course. And the word hasn’t fully gotten out yet, even on our own server.

Also, this is the prime of our weakest gap (even weaker on a weekday). We don’t expect to hold much of anything during this time anyway, since our numbers are so thin. We know you know that and expect folks from both servers to make the tactically sound decision of hitting the weaker/softer targets.

I am not saying the alliance is rock solid. The idea of this alliance will be put to the test during prime time when the main guilds of each server are online, and in control of most of the forces on all four maps.

No offense taken, trapline. But do you really think we’ve shown you everything we’ve got, all the sneaky stuff we’re capable of on the first day? Honestly, the first day is just clashing between zergs and a rush for every server to grab what they can/hold what they can in a frenzy. It’s pretty close to chaos and if there was ever a time when a good plan will fail upon contact with the enemy, its during first day madness.

DH has lots more tactics and coordination up our sleeve than what you’ve seen so far. I am fairly certain you’re in for more than a few surprises int he coming week.

And let’s not tap dance around why this alliance was formed. NSP and DH respect each other for playing a fair game. That is why it was formed.

Honestly, I would rather lose to NSP in a fair fight and see them beat Mag, for all the reasons most of us here are familiar with and need not be said here.

Another thing about DH, we as an organized server with strong leadership in our Commanders and Guild Leaders have decided unanimously to play a fair game. We are familiar with most the exploits simply because we want to know how to counter them and report them. But you will not see one of our players on your server burning keep supplies, or glitching their way past walls into keeps in a manner that was not intended by game developers.

If anyone ever sees that from a DH player doing something shady, we beg you to report them because we do not want that filthy mindset on our server. We play a fair game and condemn/report any instances of hacking/exploiting of our own players.

Don’t get me wrong, there are a couple of guild leaders on DH that think we should fight fire with fire. That when such things are done to us, we should respond in kind. But we have managed to convince them to join us in our resolution to not ever do that kitten. They have given us their word that such ploys will never be used because we firmly believe in winning with honor in a fair fight.

It cracks be up so much when folks downplay DH success. There’s this atmosphere that we’re lucky or just PvE nightcappers. What those people have yet to realize, which is very surprising this far into the game’s release is (and I’ll repeat what’s been said a thousand times on these forums) WvW is 24-hour warfare.

We have worked hard to fill and improve our server’s weaknesses, including those gaps when we just don’t have enough players during some of those hours. We are ahead and I dare say, will continue to be throughout the week simply because DH is a strong server. Dispute or downplay that all you want, under the misguided view that you’re better than us by virtue of your former higher rankings on the server ladder. But SoR and DH are proof that you can no longer dismiss what were once lower tier servers from the competition, when they set their mind to fixing their problems, instead of just griping about them and their competition.

Yes, we still have a 6-8 hour early morning gap where other servers can practically walk all over us. Its practically PvE for them. So to accuse us of PvE capping yet bragging that the same can be done to us is hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard any.

Since this is 24-hour warfare, every server should be striving to have 24 hour coverage. The top-tier servers have figured that out. We have figured that out but still have some work to do. We’ve come a long ways from just having an 8-hour prime time for our server. We now have really good coverage 16-18 hours a day. Once we fill in those last remaining hours with strong teams that are as coordinated as the rest, nothing will stop us from competing in the top 3 brackets.

Don’t get me wrong, I expect a challenge from both Maguuma and NSP. And my prediction of DH victory is anything but certain. BUT just stop this nonsense of DH having no skill, no competitive edge in real battles, etc. Truth is, during all North American servers’ prime times (5pm-10pm pst) we will still win more battles than you’d give us credit for.

Once you take the blinders off and recognize your competition’s true capabilities you can actually do something against them. But those who downplay DH abilities and effectiveness really don’t know their enemy very well at all.

Yes, kudos and big respect from me on DH to both NSP and EB players. NSP fought hard with some pretty solid coordination. I have tremendous respect for EB because while they trailed a distant third, we often couldn’t tell on the battlefield with the ferocity they displayed.

You kept fighting, reclaiming your map and putting up really good fights when most other servers would have just quit playing WvW. That shows a lot of spirit and I thank you for keeping WvW a fun, interesting 3-way battle to the very end!

NSP, looking forward to another week against ya! Glad to hear that you’ll probably be losing one of your less than reputable guilds to a European server. I know they were not native to NSP so I never judged NSP by their renegade actions. I also hope you find a decent replacement for that guild before the next reset. I don’t want to see your numbers thin any.

Cheers to a great week!

Yeah Hexin, I too was amazed at EB’s efforts. Gotta hand it to them there. They were not letting us take any ground without a real hard fight.

They were out in force and playing well as if it was a really close match, and I’ve gotta give props for that. Hats off to you guys.

NSP you are making me lose sleep, dag nabbit! I try to go to sleep, but I find myself tossing and turning, getting up to check the scores every hour. This is the second time this week I’ve started my game day after 24 hours of no sleep! Curses!

But it’s exciting know that you can make the comeback over the next 48 hours. I’d rather be losing sleep over this than not playing WvW because it’s a blowout.

Yeah, no doubt about it, NSP is stepping up their game, perhaps in a final push for 1st? I hope so! Let’s make it fun.

I too was hoping to take a night off this week to rest up for next week. But not if this ends up coming down to the wire.

It could be done. SoR netted something like 32K points in one day against Yaks. We can’t let NSP do the same. Rally DH, to arms!

We also have two Brazilian guilds.

Yeah, I have not seen a single Q on any BL map since Friday night reset. I seldom go into Eternal though, so I can’t speak about that. But I hop BL maps all the time, no queues for DH…ever.

EDIT: I take that back, I just remembered that DH BL had a Q one or two nights ago, but it was like 15 minutes.

All right, this is my new look and I’m pretty happy with it:

http://www.gw2armor.com/human/male/named/medium/display_looks.php

I even dyed it the same colors so you’d all know who to target first.

That is hilarious, Actium, especially your follow up about his moves. I want to dance with an enemy! Maybe on the last day, all three servers should come together with everyone they have for one big dance party, minutes before reset. Outside of StoneMist sound good?

Very cool, thanks a bunch, Ricky! I really like the look of ‘Named’ sets and will go with Nika’s since it matches Berserker’s stats.

Oooh, I’m a Human Thief and I’ve been dying to find the perfect skin, even though I’ve put absolutely zero research into it since I’m fully committed to WvW. I know it’s off topic, but would you be willing to pm me your skin (or any other really cool ones) because I hate that most medium armor sets look so gunslinger like.

I’m currently wearing Exotic Berserker’s set for WvW, transmuted into the TP Kryton set. Not a big fan of it. But if you even see the plain, boring, brown-dye thief wielding a short-bow most of the time, that’s me. But like you said, we play opposite hours. I am usually 6pm to about 2am, server time, or later if the server needs it.

I’ve been wanting to find something with either a Ninja or Assassin’s Creed look.

I am with Heaven and Earth [HVN] and I have to say, we faced some well-organized opposition from both servers that was very fun and challenging to fight when I played earlier tonight. I take that as a sign that the others servers haven’t given up yet and we want to keep that fun going.

Yeah, I meant my post to lighten the mood, and thanks Coolmoos! But seriously, I can think of 5 or 6 commanders off the top of my head on DH that are hands-down, better tacticians than me. I could probably come up with more if I really think about it.

Oh and with regard to trebbing west keep from garrison cliffs, that does not last long on my shift. You can waste the prints if you want though.

No kitty, Zastari. You don’t think we figured that out after learning how folks cheat in the game? Of course we’ll never keep orb in West Keep, unless there’s absolutely no other choice. Other servers should be aware of the same thing.

Do NOT keep your orb in west keep because cheaters will just bypass walls which is not an intended way to enter a Keep. Hiding a Mesmer inside and using the gate tactic is the only legitimate way of bypassing walls/gates that I know of. Otherwise, Keeps are intended to be sieged and that is called warfare. Glitching through barriers is not intended warfare.

Using Inkshot in such a manner is not a tactic, it’s clearly an exploit, unless Anet reports otherwise. But thanks for teaching us that lesson, former JQ guild currently residing in NSP.

Yes, there is definitely that mutual respect, Elthurien and I would even go so far as using the word, “admiration” at least from my perspective. Yes, I’ve criticized some limited instances of hacking in the past but honestly, you guys have become frickin clydesdales since we beat you in week 1, you retaliating and smashing us in week 2, and ever since.

You going up a bracket and knocking us down at the same time really, really got to us, haha! We decided right then and there, after that week, we were gonna get you for it!

SoR is proof that servers can pull themselves together and accomplish GREAT things, if they set their mind to it and most importantly, work together.

Quitting attitudes and lousy morale when scores start dropping will end a server’s future. But getting angry about losing, which gives that extra motivation to fight harder and doing something to fix it…that is the fighting spirit more servers need in their general populations.

StormMcCloud, we figured out exactly how it was done. And when I say we, I mean that [WE] figured it out, replicated the exploit so we would know how to defend against it. It was not a hack, but rather a clever thief trick that has been reported as an exploitable vulnerability to Anet for a fix. PM me (or anyone from [WE]) here or in game and we can provide a link where the info is posted.

For all those predicting Darkhaven will become a ghost town because night-time WvW is boring, and for all those that think we’ll get smacked down in the bracket above us, there is something you don’t know about Darkhaven.

We are fueled by vengeance. We are just passing through this bracket in pursuit of SoR. You think our game is strong now? We will be going all out, pulling no punches when we finally get the rematch we’ve been itching for.

Yes, many of our night players are bored and not playing WvW so much now. But we expect that to change drastically when we finally fight our true rivals.

We’ve made it our mission to chase SoR wherever they go, no matter how high they climb, to challenge them again on the battlefield. Most of our native guilds are motivated by this burning desire to challenge SoR again.

There is history with SoR. We had two great weeks with them and SF. SF pulled off narrow victory in week 1, and DH took 2nd. The second week we were going to pummel SF to take first, but SF sort of dried up and SoR practically crushed us. SoR got their game on, stepped it up and we learned from that, to get better ourselves.

Not to sound arrogant or anything (because I was very concerned about a stronger NSP resistance), but we’re just passing through this bracket. And if SoR escapes us next week, we’ll just pass through the next, or go down in a blaze of glory trying.

If you knew our motivation, you wouldn’t make such predictions because there’s a lot about our collective mindset you don’t understand.

iii.3905:

You want me to talk like this?

How’s my anvie babies doing? We kittened you guys so hard last week I think I’m the father of multi million babies.

Or,

Man you guys put up a great fight! I enjoyed it much!

Ps blame Worban for this lol

Yeah, he can definitely blame that on me, haha! Recently, I told Seal, my guild boss, privately to s t f u on these forums or take his bragging tone down a notch. He “manned up” and listened to the helpful, albeit harsh advice a friend without getting offended and I thank him for that.

I like it too when he boasts in a friendly rivalry tone. I love it in fact. It’s just when he imo, goes too far with a not-so-friendly condescending tone that bothers me and a lot of people. He HAS gotten better (and folks on these forums should recognize that) but I don’t think he has to go all-out care bear, so he might have over-corrected a bit, haha!

Glad to hear that Quench! I like that fighting spirit and wish more players on all servers shared it with you. Thanks to all of NSP who are keeping this a challenge for DH.

This is far from a blowout and still very uncertain without a full weekday to test the working hour populations against each other. We’ll see the results of that in about 28 hours.

Btw, I still fear a mighty NSP comeback, so I’m crossing my fingers that things continue to go this well for DH, while still having much more fun than a complete blowout.

Oh don’t worry, warmonkey. We’ll chase as far as we have to reach you guys, even if it means chasing you to 1st bracket.

Vengeance is our engine. Coffee and/or booze is our regular fuel to catch up. Once we do, we’re going all nitro on ya! And may the better server win!

Actually, Ralathar, I disagree with you there. I think the toughest spot to be in is the #2 server. #1 server almost couldn’t care less about a distant 3rd follower. So they hit #2 harder to keep or widen the lead. 3rd place server is going to work hard not to finish last so their obvious goal and target is to take #2 server down a notch.

You are literally stuck in the middle with both the other servers wanting a piece of you.

Plus, #2 server is burdened with both objectives: try to overtake 1st, while maintaining their hold of 2nd place. And if I were in second place, I would be MORE concerned about taking first place than anything else.

Yes, Salenia. We as an organized server are fully committed to fair play; will report any and ALL hackers from our server (if we get the chance) and give orb back to any server who loses it to a low-life hacker from our side, just as Yaks has so honorably done. (Cheers to Yaks on that call!)

I say we have our sights set on you because DH has been SO incredibly eager for a rematch with SoR, it’s been our motivation; our fuel to climb the ladder (that and a lot of coffee). We hit WvW hard last week and are again this week, just to fight SoR again. A fun rematch with you guys has been our driving force to accomplish what we’ve done so far.

Yeah, far from over yet, and we might not even be matched up because nothing is certain this early in the week. But exactly as you said, “I like our chances” of meeting up with you on the battlefield again next week! I also like our chances when we finally get to go head-to-head because we’ve taken our game to the next level with lots of fresh enthusiasm for WvW.

Good luck this week to everyone here, and again, sorry to bust in on your thread on something that doesn’t have much to do with your current match-up.

Sorry to interrupt your thread…just have to say,
@SALENIA: Be prepared for the possibility of second or even third place next week because Darkhaven has our sights set on you!

Yes, thank you FrieAaron. We are reporting when we see them too, because they hurt our WvW performance, taking up precious map slots and doing absolutely nothing to help our scores.

They are not native DH players. We saw them start flooding to our server on last week’s match-up where we controlled 95% of the map, 24/7. Botters love that kitten because they farm with less interruption.

I don’t even know what they’re farming for. I’ve never farmed in WvW (I’ve already got all the karma and xp I could ever want just in normal play/fighting) and have no idea what drops off normal NPC’s to make it more worthwhile than PvE.

There is no question that supply camp wall-glitching to make the character invulnerable, thereby making the Supply Camp invulnerable is an intentional move. If I ever glitch in a stuck location, I will immediately report with /stuck command and relog for character reset. That’s what any normal player would do. Who wants to play their game stuck in wall, after all?

While I’ve not personally seen it, I have heard folks saying that SOME SoR players have been doing this for weeks, in previous match-ups. So it’s nothing new.

But SoR as a server is no doubt, a strong server. In a fair match-up, with no cheating at all, they can be a formidable server. However, SoR has a few guilds that cannot accept trailing by a large margin. This message is NOT directed to the SoR server as a whole, or the majority of its population. It is discussing what a few guilds will do.

Once SoR scores start falling far enough behind, you start seeing weird stuff like that happen. You will seldom (or even never) see any cheating from any SoR players if they are in the lead or trailing by a small margin. Because they can fight they’re way back to #1 fairly, with a very heavy hammer.

BUT, once they start to fall more than 10K points behind in total scores, that is when you will start to notice specific guilds turn their hack programs (like Mustang) on. You will fight large zergs where half the players (consisting of one or two renowned guilds) will have super-human powers and abilities.

I know this post will incite a lot of anger from SoR players and I’ll get flamed for it until this thread gets deleted. But I’m just calling it how it is and warning SoR’s current opponents, especially Yaks who has a good lead right now, to be on the lookout for that stuff. Sometimes its very subtle and sometimes you will just be slapping your forehead, asking yourself, “How was that possible?!”

I owe our Day Crew on Darkhaven an apology. I just woke up, logged on to check the scores and was very impressed to see them maintain a 10K point lead over the 7 or 8 hours that I slept. Well done, DH day crew and I’m sorry for my poor prediction.

But Darkhaven has a lot of working folks, with lives and families, so I am curious what happens on a weekday.

Closing the weekend with a comfortable lead in total scores is so encouraging, especially against such powerful adversaries.

I won’t be playing much tonight, since I have some RL stuff to do. But I’ll be checking scores occasionally and rooting for DH!

It is way too early to make any predictions for the week and how it will end. Maybe upon completion of our first, normal weekday, well after the dust of weekend battles has settled, we can start to make some initial predictions.

Everyone knows Darkhaven’s strength is a well-organized evening/night crew that often has the numbers on opposing servers. It’s not unusual for us to control most of all four maps by the time our hard-cores go to bed. It’s also quite normal to see us lose almost everything we gained during the day. Looking at the situation right now, while we’re losing a lot, is the historical pattern of our server. While that is unfortunate for us, it has been stated a few times on this thread that its the perfect opportunity for our opponents to make their comeback, undoing our gains. But rest assured, we hit back hard again as the sun starts to set over the Americas.

The opening day has unfolded sort of as I expected (or hoped, I should say) . I would even admit they exceeded my expectations against NSP, which was two brackets above us last week. I will say it was some intensely fun fighting against both servers, for sure!

While any prediction of the final outcome is premature, I can predict the daily patterns. Servers will leapfrog with us by very wide margins. Instead of it being a tight fight around the clock, constantly inching ahead or falling behind by tiny margins, this will be a week of major gains and major losses. We (Darkhaven) will shoot ahead by 10-15k points then fall behind by roughly the same amount. In the end it will sort of balance out and end up a fairly close fight in the last 24-36 hours, with every server pouring everything they have into WvW to cross the finish line in 1st place.

I do admit that I am a bit nervous about seeing NSP in full force. If your server decides to rest up and unleash your full power, then all bets are off; even my daily pattern predictions are called into question. I just want DH to put up a really good fight, make it fun and worth everybody’s effort.

I have a lot of faith in DH and we have improved significantly in the last few weeks! We have a ways to go, to work on our problems, but we make notable progress each and every day towards that goal.

Without a doubt, we have the potential to pull the upset victory and finish on top. But I am far from making any predictions at this point.

Yeah, let’s just try and finish up the week with some dignity and grace. I think all the trash-talk about other players is behind us, thank goodness!

I do not think any of the flagrant, in your face, “we’re better than you” type comments were called for at all or did anybody any good. In fact, I’m disappointed that they took our sportsmanship rep down a notch. I’d really like to not see us in DH do that anymore, because it’s bad form.

I am grateful that I never saw any hacking this week and we can all be proud of that, all around. Although I wish the botters that migrated to our server would get off our server already! If I see them, I will report them, but just not playing a whole lot of WvW this week.

Kardiamond, I admire your passion in standing up for your server. Your loyalty, regardless of how folks view your comments, is to be commended! I wish we on DH had more folks like you, who are willing to stand up FOR your server, even with all its faults. (That is not an attempt to poach you, btw!)

Yes, I’m a bit of a care-bear, as iii put it. But that’s because it’s just a game and we should be having fun. The only thing that really gets under my skin and makes my blood boil is when I witness hacking that I cannot report because a screenshot does not capture the motion. But oh well, I just have to live with that too until Anet really cracks down and fixes things.

All around, good game. I do think both servers put up a good fight on many occasions, especially the first day, even if we held the comfortable point lead. I still had fun in WvW when we did play. The big fights back and forth for North Supply Camp on both BL maps was a lot of fun. Sometimes we rolled over you, sometimes you rolled over us. That’s what made it fun.

Yeah, Zulubeast’s public DH bashing of his own server drew many rounds of applause from the other servers. I wonder if he was planning to transfer there and run for office!