Guild Wars 2

Ansau.7326:

Basically, FFXIV is a gpu based game while gw2 is a cpu based one.

No.

They are both cpu based games.

Also, no ffxiv does not run 40% on all cores. I played ffxiv in dx9 and got 90% on all cores. The lowest on one of the cores was a little over 80%, that never happens with gw2 because it’s extremely unoptimized.

Ansau.7326:

Zakxxx.4103:

Ansau.7326:

nassaya.7109:

After reading some stuff I think it has to do with gw2 itself. Is it the reused gw1 engine I dunno. Core load with gw2 is 80% on module 1 core 0. Memory use is 2.9gb when I walk and 5 gb peaks in big events. Graphic card use is normal. So got Juise to spare still awful fps.

With an i5 4690k and a r9 285 I can play at 1440p nearly ultra at 55-60fps in pve maps, 35-40fps in LA and new maps, and 30-35fps in zergs.
The issues are with people’s pc, not the game itself.

Incorrect, the game is using the gw1 engine and coding. The low fps is because of this. The game is not optimized for cpus with multiple cores and multiple threads. The only reason intel gets better performance is because of their single core strength. My fx 8350 would go toe to toe with many i7s out there if the game was optimized correctly for these cpus. Yes, Intel performs better than amd, I agree with that completely but do you see where the fx 8350 and 8150 is placed on this list? https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

There’s no reason an fx 8150 should be getting less than 30 fps in gw2 even in massive zerg fights on the lowest settings if the game was optimized correctly. And yes it can be optimized, take a look at ffxiv for example, even in dx9 a fx 8350 will almost never drop below 40-50 fps and will most likely be sitting at 60+ fps. Cpu usage sits at 90%+ when running that game. Cpu usage for gw2 lowest settings on my fx 8350 sits at 60% give or take.

This is not related to what I said.
I wasn’t talking about game engine optimization, but more about the low performance people is getting regards its specs, which is a problem with their computer rather than the game.
OP pc with an i7 SB and a 960 should be getting way more fps than he does, and this is a problem with his pc, not the game.
The fact I can run the game maxed at such high resolution without major issues proves it.

About what you said related to game engine optimization, you’re worng in several ways:
- Gw2 engine is not just the gw1 one, but a heavily modified that can do things the previous couldn’t even imagine.
- DX9 has little to do here since the performance issue in big scale fights is related to game engine threads, not the API.
- You can only compare other games with gw2 IF they have similar stress situations where the computer needs to render a fight with +50 people involved. There are not so many games with such situations, and pretty much all are mmo. If we analyze their performance we see similar drops.
- Funny you name FFXIV, as it’s not such a good example to compare with gw2, besides it also experiences deeps of about 50% of performance in heavy fights.
First because the most stressful situation is a joke compared to the 100-150 people in world bosses or the blob fest in WvW when pairing 50vs50vs50.
Secondly because combat in FFXIV is way simpler than gw2 in terms of calculations. Mobs and enemies move less, AoE spells are based on target position rather than ground target, there’s no such a thing as dodge… Position of targets adds a huge amount of calculations.
And third because in FFXIV there’re less things being done at the same time. In gw2 you can be dealing damage in AoE from 3-4 different skills while dodging, plus healing yourself and in AoE, plus activating sigils or runes, plus receiving damage from 4-5 different conditions… Or imagine a Feedback reflecting projectiles from 50 different people. Even some attacks require several calculations, like GS#2 from mesmers, a projectile that bounces 3 times (so 4 different calculations) with different ranges, different possible friend target, adding effects of boon and condition and each one can be avoided or not independently.

The prove that makes FFXIV not a good example is in cpu cores usage compared with gw2. FFXIV average is around 40% per core and it doesn’t go higher than 60%, while gw2 can stress all cores at a range of 70-90% in heavy fights.
Basically, FFXIV is a gpu based game while gw2 is a cpu based one.

There’s no deny on the fact gw2 could be optimized better, but we must also consider the work behind it is beyond the resources from anet. Just an idea to realize how different are both games, the company behind FFXIV has around 7.5 times more the amount of employees anet has.

Fx cpus suffer so much in those situations not because the game is badly optimized, but more because they don’t have the enough performance to deal with the huge amount of calculations needed.
FX cpus are penalized hugely from internal latencies(which affect a lot while gaming), they even need twice the amount of cores and 1GHz more to match the stock of the i7 Ivy Bridge multithread performance.
Even with multi-threading on the main threads, FX cpus would still have a hard time in heavy situations.

I don’t mean to be rude but I stopped reading what you said when you said that it has little to do with dx9 and something about ffxiv not being a good comparison to gw2 (atleast that’s what it looked like as I skimmed through it because of what you said about dx9 lol). Be honest with yourself here, every game that has been cpu bound has seen improvements when it goes from dx9 32bit to dx11+ and 64bit. Anet has already said that there is no more room on the main thread when it comes to gw2, but upgrading from dx9 to a higher dx relieves the main thread and makes room for more work to be done.

http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Infinity_X5_Elite

Just an example of something you can go for.

Also found cyberpower has a UK webpage http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/

see if that works for you.

Also, a Corsair CX500 – 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply will do great in almost any pc. That’s what i’m using right now but I bought it years ago, pretty sure you can find something more recent for the same price. Make sure it’s one of those 80 plus certified ones so that you get more life out of your hardware.

Better, yes. But what I think Loli is trying to say is that if you built the pc yourself instead of buying a prebuilt you could get better parts for around the same price. Also you should find a website more catered to selling gaming pcs. To me that website looks like it just sells pcs for everyday use or basic entertainment. Not really somewhere I’d go if I want to buy a gaming pc. I use newegg, ibuypower, and cyberpowerpc. I don’t know the european equivalent to those but i’m sure you can easily find it on google and get a beastly rig for gw2 with your budget.

I dream of the day gw2 uses 100% of my fx 8350… -cries as i waste my gtx 960’s potential running the game in low settings to achieve a stable 35 fps-

Ansau.7326:

nassaya.7109:

After reading some stuff I think it has to do with gw2 itself. Is it the reused gw1 engine I dunno. Core load with gw2 is 80% on module 1 core 0. Memory use is 2.9gb when I walk and 5 gb peaks in big events. Graphic card use is normal. So got Juise to spare still awful fps.

With an i5 4690k and a r9 285 I can play at 1440p nearly ultra at 55-60fps in pve maps, 35-40fps in LA and new maps, and 30-35fps in zergs.
The issues are with people’s pc, not the game itself.

Incorrect, the game is using the gw1 engine and coding. The low fps is because of this. The game is not optimized for cpus with multiple cores and multiple threads. The only reason intel gets better performance is because of their single core strength. My fx 8350 would go toe to toe with many i7s out there if the game was optimized correctly for these cpus. Yes, Intel performs better than amd, I agree with that completely but do you see where the fx 8350 and 8150 is placed on this list? https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

There’s no reason an fx 8150 should be getting less than 30 fps in gw2 even in massive zerg fights on the lowest settings if the game was optimized correctly. And yes it can be optimized, take a look at ffxiv for example, even in dx9 a fx 8350 will almost never drop below 40-50 fps and will most likely be sitting at 60+ fps. Cpu usage sits at 90%+ when running that game. Cpu usage for gw2 lowest settings on my fx 8350 sits at 60% give or take.

Lamatron.6425:

Loli Ruri.8307:

Either get a 4690K haswell CPU, or look into skylake. As long as it’s a “Quad Core CPU” Just remember if you go with skylake, you need to consider the extra cost of DDR4 memory, over the price of DDR3. Skylake compatible motherboards do not support DDR3 as a general rule. Make sure you buy a motherboard that has the correct socket that matches the CPU you buy. Don’t spend too much money, and try and save it for the graphics card, if you plan to play other games. One last thing, it would help to invest in at least a cheap SSD to install Windows onto. It really makes a computer so much more enjoyable when it starts up immediately, rather than you waiting just for it to boot up. And you can put Guild Wars 2 on it as well if you like, for that more responsive data load when resources are coming into the game from off storage. Last thing, you really shouldn’t bother with hyperthreading, not worth it when you could use the extra money towards other parts in your system, not unless the cost between that CPU and another CPU is only a few dollars more. Weigh up the cost versus gain. Hyperthreading is 30% more, but only as long as a game supports using it.

I’m going to play only GW2 cause I never play single player games or other. Always MMO. But Loli Ruri, is that PC (from my link) is enough to enjoy game on around 50 fps in-battle (PVP, PvE) ?

You will get 50 fps but I think the gpu may bottleneck the cpu. Which is why I mentioned the gtx 960.

amd cpus are very worth it. It’s just that most mmorpgs are not coded properly to fully utilize the power of these cpus. They also don’t always fully utilize the power for intel cpus either as even those cpus aren’t running at full % utilization. For example the i7 5960x 8 core 16 thread cpu gets fps in the teens at ultra settings during karka queen. This cpu costs over $1000 USD. But yes stay away from amd for now when it comes to gw2. Also, coming from experience here, I would say it would be more worth it for you if you got a smaller monitor like a 21" with a resolution of 1600×900 or 1080p and also a standard keyboard so that you can bump up that cpu to a i5 4690k and maybe even get a better gpu. I have a mechanical keyboard and it doesn’t perform any different than a standard keyboard aside from macro keybinds which you should not use in gw2. As long as the keyboard is comfortable for you then use it. It’s also my opinion that big monitors are overrated, just like big smartphones are overrated. As long as it’s big enough for you to see everything unlike those small laptop screens then it’s good. It doesn’t need to be 4k… I swear every time new monitors or smartphones are released they get bigger every time lol. I’m just saying you would be way more happier with less fancier stuff and more fps. You can always upgrade your monitor and keyboard later down the road if you are not satisfied with them. But I have been through what you are going through and this is just my friendly advice to another

I’ve never had this problem on Win 10, but I notice in your pic you have some weird icons for your guardian abilities. Maybe the addon or whatever it is you are running to mod those icons is causing Windows to give you that message?

It is enough yes, but even the fastest computer in the world will get fps lag in this game due to the horrible coding. If you are budgeting then that is a great computer to buy. If you are not budgeting then go for either a i5 4690k or a i7 4790k or even look into intel’s new skylake cpus and see how they run with gw2. You can also go for a gtx 960 as well. It’s a good high end gpu that’s cheap for what it puts out. Just do yourself a huge favor and stay away from any amd cpus, the game runs horrible on them.

Tried out the 64bit client today, ran max settings in eotm zerg. Gameplay felt smooth as butter but then I went to Lion’s Arch and lulled at my 20 fps. Still getting stutter but atleast I can now play the game with everything maxed except for reflections, shadows, and model/quality limit with no more stutter than I was getting previously on low settings. So happy about the 64bit client though!

To simplify it, i’ll create a scenario where i’m in a zerg with my current settings, I am getting 35 fps in this zerg but if I simply turn my shaders (gpu setting, doesn’t affect cpu) from low to high I will get maybe 33-35 fps but it will feel like 20 fps.

Forgot to mention, I’m also running windows 10, but I was previously running windows 8.1 and still had the same problem.

This isn’t exactly related to HoT per say but it would be nice if I could finally get this resolved. Basically what the title says, I get fps lag or stutter (microstutter?) even though i’m above 30 fps. This is most noticeable when I am turning the camera. I know the game is heavily cpu intensive, performs better with intel, and all but why is it that my game feels smoother and gets higher fps when in zergs with gpu based settings like textures and shaders on low? I have already submitted a ticket about this to anet and did everything they told me to do like downloading their tools and running scans for them to see if something was wrong with my pc. In the end they didn’t find anything wrong and told me they don’t know how to help so I left it at that. It was good customer support and all but the problem is still there.

I know I am bottlenecked by my cpu because of the way the game is coded but that doesn’t explain why upping my textures and shaders causes my game to stutter and look like a slideshow during 90% of my gameplay.

My specs are:
amd fx 8350 4ghz (all cores seem to utilize up to 75%, total cores avg out to 60% after hours of gameplay)
nvidia gtx 960 2gb (15-30% utilized with my current low settings, 90-100% utilized when i max the game out)
8gb ram
1tb 7200 rpm hdd

In my nvidia control panel setting textures to performance, maximum pre-rendered frames to 1, and shader cache to off seems to net me the most fps I can get in gw2 with the most smoothness. Shader cache on/off doesn’t seem to affect my fps however, just the smoothness.