What, you don’t want to gear your dozens of level 80 characters up by running a single dungeon (Fractals) 10,000 times? Sounds like you hate MMOs.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Nerfed a reward in Skinnerbox Grind 2? Haha, that’s a good joke!
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Huh. Well I did click on this thread expecting some of the following:
- I can’t get a legendary
- Fractals are boring
- Dailies are boring
- Everything is too expensive
- The trading post tax is too high.
So you agree?
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
ex-Nexon employee being put in charge of the cash shop, Izzy and Mike O’Brien.
Those things are all joint worst.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
No buy dungeons are, exploration is (a checklist), farming enough gold and materials to get by is, farming gems for cosmetic items is.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
The best part about this clown circus game is the people who played this event picked up 2 or possibly more legendary precursors, costing 300+ gold each.
One hilarious joke after another. It’s like the TORtanic, it’s a gift that keeps on giving.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Cause Arena Net has changed their philosophy and wants us to grind now.
Yeah, it’s not like they wanted us to grind from level 1 on August 25th or anything, is it.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Well I found your problem, you seem to be expecting ArenaNet to think these things through before releasing them in patches. That’s not how it works. Think of GW2 patches as like surprise Christmas crackers. You open them, and the contents could be anything, but there’s always a hilarious joke involved.
Also, they are numbered to gate content. You can’t just jump in to the last level because that means the content won’t last as long.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
The survey was funny, you had to select ‘something that you enjoyed’ about the event, and it wouldn’t let me not tick anything, so I ticked ‘other’ and then explained that the game is trash grind and that I would never recommend the game to anyone. It worked a charm.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I was nice to them by not asking for a refund. But that’s over now, I’m getting a refund.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
~1.5 million people stopped playing after the first month because the game is broke
~ 0.5 million people still play semi-actively
~ Unknown percentage of people in the forums talking about the game, yet the reception is negative.
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“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Please do not argue based on fallacies. ANET is introducing gear treadmill to please wow crybabies by deviating from the core principle of this franchise. That’s the issue here.
so what u are saying is they shouldnt facilitate the ‘WoW crybabies’ but should instead facilitate the ‘GW1 crybabies’ contradictory much?
i assume this post will be deleted again, as my last post pointing out my OPINION was…. oh well my opinion doesnt count for much it seems……
Except you’re insulting GW1 players who have 10x the right to voice their opinion of GW2 than MMO hoppers do. Do us a favour, yeah. Please learn what you’re talking about before insulting people.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
but what if you dont like the new skins or like the one you have more?
Then you use the cash shop to buy transmutation stones, or go and grind. Because everyone loves grind. Colin said so.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
No they don’t. They lied in their manifesto. They banned people from the forums when everyone (except a few fanboys) complained about the game being in worse condition than the beta weekends, and the amount of grind in the game. Then they increased the grind, nerfed rewards and took away any meaningful carrot.
Maybe they should have hired more programmers to fix the 3 month old event bugs in Arah.
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were trying to kill their own game. They can close most of their servers and sit back with the money they made from a false marketing campaign.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Logged in last night for the first time since Mad King. Tried to do a dungeon with a fail pug of bad players. Got bored and had no motivation to do WvWvW because 1) servers are imbalanced, and 2) ANET nerfed badge drop rates which is a slap in the face to players who don’t want to play a Korean grindfest game.
Story of my GW2 experience at level 80.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I heared rumors that a few devs of ANET quitted their job lately? Does that has anything to do with ANET hurting their own principles? If so RESPECT!
Can you provide a source for this claim, please.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I don’t know which is sadder, that some people fail to recognize a troll post or that some people are actually serious about this.
I dunno. Are you being sarcastic? It’s 2012, and this is supposed to be a “AAA” MMO. You’d have thought that a gear-inspect feature would be a given, and implemented in beta. Yet it’s gone 3 months without one, and now there’s even more reason to need one with this ‘hardcore’ gear tier.
Only terribad scrubs don’t want to be inspected, because they’ll be the ones running around in mystic forge blues and the first ones to complain about other people being bad when their groups wipe.
‘A function to stop people looking at my gear’? Really? That’s pathetic.
Did school finish early today or are the wow servers down for maintenance?
no im posting from school lol
whats wow?
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I don’t know which is sadder, that some people fail to recognize a troll post or that some people are actually serious about this.
I dunno. Are you being sarcastic? It’s 2012, and this is supposed to be a “AAA” MMO. You’d have thought that a gear-inspect feature would be a given, and implemented in beta. Yet it’s gone 3 months without one, and now there’s even more reason to need one with this ‘hardcore’ gear tier.
Only terribad scrubs don’t want to be inspected, because they’ll be the ones running around in mystic forge blues and the first ones to complain about other people being bad when their groups wipe.
‘A function to stop people looking at my gear’? Really? That’s pathetic.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Sure add an option to inspect players some games do have such a feature, but only if we have a privacy option that prevents it. I have no desire to share my skill set/statistics/equipment with random strangers. Best yet would to have a customisable auto reply so I can tell them to stop being so nosey.
Only people that are ashamed of their gear don’t want people to inspect it. Either L2P or go back to carebear central, a.k.a. the original Guild Wars.
I hope you can detect that this is me being intentionally cynical and sarcastic.
Why, are you bad too?
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Sure add an option to inspect players some games do have such a feature, but only if we have a privacy option that prevents it. I have no desire to share my skill set/statistics/equipment with random strangers. Best yet would to have a customisable auto reply so I can tell them to stop being so nosey.
Such bad players shouldn’t be allowed to play GW2.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
warrior looking for server with a high enough population to do a dungeon on
1550 gear score
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Jeez…gamers are getting a bit nasty if your asking me.Where are the days where people were actually happy about anything and Stop complaining all the kitten time.Arent you guys getting tired of yourselfs ?
Don’t you remember a time when video games were made by nerds for nerds, and then by enthusiasts for enthusiasts? Now it’s made by corporations for profit and mindless drones. Their manifesto being 100% lies is a good example.
I am tired of something, yes. I’m tired of being made to feel “entitled” when I expect constant excellence and progression in video games but getting met with mediocrity, stagnation and lies. I’m tired of being sold a game like GW2 (manifesto version) but being given a game like SW:TOR with a sprinkle of Tyrian lore on it.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
This is a question for ArenaNet. It would be really nice if you could post a personal answer to it.
Why do you need to put grind in your game? That is, when you admit that no one enjoys it and promise everyone that the game will not be grindy, you put it in. Why?
For what reason did you decide that players need to do dozens if not hundreds of dungeons, just to get some cosmetic armor? Why don’t you completely remove all grind from your game?
So what if everyone has exotic or ascended items? Aren’t these MMOs supposed to be about community and challenges? Why did you place time sinks and grind in the game? Even ‘grind’ in GW1 was more fun.
Why are you punishing people for playing Guild Wars 2?
Sorry, but it escapes my understanding. Thanks.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
1 full set on engineer,was starting to make 1 for my new lv 80 thief…..after seeing ascended? not anymore ….
Exactly.
Want to take a guess at how many cash shop items or rare items it will take to throw in the Mystic Cash Shop to get out these infusions? What a joke.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
No, it’s too expensive. I don’t care if you had 13 gold by level 80. I don’t care if you are an economic parasite and now have thousands of gold.
The game’s design is flawed as it makes people feel like they have to grind to stay afloat, in a game that they were sold that was supposed to be about fun and not competing.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
@Zen
So tell me, do you have to get full exotics now? Or full ascend? Do you have to do anything to keep the game as fun as it was before the news? Because your post AND signature clearly states that you stopped having fun after you read the news.
No I stopped having fun in GW2 when I reached level 58. From there Tequatl the Sunless was boring and made me realize that all of the dragon events would be scripted and not dangerous. Though I was trying to do the whole event naked with 3 other people, because apparently most MMO players take 4 months to get to level 30, and we were alone at that level (played from head start) and of course this game is a joke when it comes to earning money (to pay for waypoints and repairs). Around this time, shortly after, any mention of bugged events in any area was met with an explosion of map chat from zealot Arenadrones telling me and anyone else to go back to WoW. This just killed any hope of the already cancerous community.
After reaching 80 and being the victim of a string of hilarious jokes from ArenaNet, including classics such as; bots not being banned and even encouraged, diminishing returns, expensive repair cost, mystic forge gold sinks (cash shop gambling), excessive waypoint travel costs, wasted time in bugged events, exploiters getting a head start on the economy, kitten waving from legendary precursors being allowed to rise by hundreds of gold, patches that broke dungeons more, collecting COSMETIC dungeon sets requiring unprecedented amount of grind, I realized that there was nothing to do except farm (while being discouraged from farming) and then I stopped logging in.
I wait for the game to get better, but it’s chances are slim at best. Maybe if they lost their Nexon mentality.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I never even got a full set of exotics. Never will I casually wear a dungeon cosmetic set and play Fashion Dress-up Online 2.
All games must return to Diablo, World of Warcraft, or Call of Duty. Goodbye.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
2 lvl 80 with each one 2 exotic set, in path to my first legendary.
No im not happy, im really pissed
Sorry but get over it, you aren’t the Call of Diablo audience. This is 2012 ArenaNet, not the glorious GW1 ArenaNet.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
You obviously can’t read. The exotic doesn’t have half of those stats on it. Try again, this time without droning and rationalizing bad game design.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Looking at the forum there is a lot of sentiment to needing progression.
This was probably the cheap way to do it.
I would rather do exciting quests for skill slots, mounts, gold etc
What I want to know is why did they take an awesome game like Guild Wars, and then turn it in to Diablo, and then add WoW treadmill (while the end game is still non-existent and the dungeons are bugged) and then hilariously increase the amount of grind required and diminishing returns. Hundreds of dungeon runs for cosmetic skins? I spit on ArenaNet now.
As for quests, yes they are overlooked, there’s hundreds of cool stuff you can do with quests to increase the game’s content and fun, especially with cool unique rewards.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
So 90% of GW2 players are gold farmers or bot accounts, 5% of them are drones that have more than 1 level 80 and aren’t completely bored of the lack of things to do, and 5% of us bother to stick around on the forums in case GW2 stops sinking and floats back up the the surface?
Sounds about right to me:)
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Just when you think they couldn’t add more grind to a dead/dying game, they add cash shop grinding.
I must congratulation Nexon / ArenaNet for their innovative use of monetizing pixels.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Enjoying dungeons? I was until I only got 6 tokens for completing it for the first time.
Are these guys actually trying to destroy their own MMO a month after it comes out? I don’t get their mentality at all.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Are you going to refund the 54 other missing tokens in a patch? Or am I meant to get my 3660 dungeon tokens by doing the same instance 610 times?
Even less impressed than I was earlier today.
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“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
“Thank you, hero of the hour, here’s a pile of experience and money, now @#! off! "
XD
God I love that guy. =D
Sounds like he didn’t even play the game. All the events I did, I never got more than 2.4 silver.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
The carrot is microscopic.
The stick is a lightyear long.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Basically what you said is Elementalist is too hard to play. Elementalists do not do crap damage. They are just hard to play. It doesn’t mean they are weak or bad. They are very complex.
I agree that you can drastically improve an elementalist output by merely learning to combo your own fields and doing them intentionally (not just whenever CDs are rdy). Spot on.
.9mm bullets are just as effective as .50cal bullets, you just have to fire a lot more of them, gg learn to play, etc.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I just can’t believe how many people are defending the game by simply saying the grind is optional. If WoW had required you to do the same 10-20 things 600 times over in order to get a cosmetic skin, people here would have been laughing and saying: “How can people still play WoW, look at that grind”.
Because people identify themselves with the things that they consume. If you criticize GW2 then it obviously means that you are insulting the person that bought it, etc. There are studies on this type of thing.
Interestingly enough the people that were mocking WoW before GW2 came out were laughing at how silly it is to have to do a dungeon over and over again for a better piece of gear. Now that GW2 is out and those people have realized that GW2 has hundreds of times more grind, it’s really funny to watch them. Now, suddenly cosmetic items don’t matter because the grind is optional to have them. Legendary weapons don’t matter because the grind is optional to have them. Karma doesn’t matter because the grind is optional to have it.
So what is left? PvP, being AFK or making new characters. Exploring the world doesn’t even give a title. There’s no point doing it unless you want the skillpoints or gifts of exploration for a legendary weapon.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
The reason I m commenting is because you don’t seem to have a basic understanding of the word grind. And you seem to be perfectly OK in swimming in your own ignorance.
I love irony. Keep it coming.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Sheen made a good point that some people see leveling as a grind, by your logic Gaurudan then we should all start off at 80 cause Anet promised no grinding.
The game doesn’t need levels. They added them to help avoid confusing WoW players. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I’ve done more than half of the hearts in the game and there are no quests like you described. Nothing tells you to go kill X of Y. In fact there is only one task I remember where I had to kill rats
‘Help Farmer John kill Centaurs’
‘Centaurs killed: 40%’
It’s another way of saying 4/10.
0/10.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I think the issue here with the OP is their expectations versus Arenanet. When they heard no grind, the op stupidly believe Arenanet meant you wont have to work for something
This thread is so ironic. Not only did OP not say that, but no grind means not having to do something over and over again. That’s what dungeons are. You do them over and over again for cosmetic skins. That’s cosmetic grind. If you don’t care about cosmetics then why are you even commenting? Go and stand around in your crafted set being AFK.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
The only thing that GW1 had better (IMO) is in fact the storyline, like someone else already stated.
In expansions they should go back to the mission system.
It was A LOT more engaging.
I liked missions
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
so…you’re saying, you want everything for free….or it’s a grind. you got me…you got me…
No, I bought the game because of their marketing video/manifesto. I was under the impression, as was everyone else who was not privy to secret knowledge, that Guild Wars 2 had no grind and was centered around “fun”.
Why did you buy the game? Because you thought it looked fun and that there was no grind? Well congratulations, you bought a game where you thought you would have everything for free – you are a hypocrite.
Now you don’t seem to like the criticism of Guild Wars 2 and are telling us that we want everything for free. It’s quite stupid to be honest.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
I’d also go and play some PvP but I happened to roll a Warrior and got to level 80. I should have picked a Thief. Maybe I would have got bored of spamming heartseeker to win. It’s all so confusing.
I’m logged in right now but often I find that tabbing out and reading websites is more interesting than tabbing back in game and realizing that there’s nothing to do except meaningless grind or roll more characters.
Should I really just uninstall? I don’t see the point in buying expansion packs if it’s just going to be more of the same. Quite depressing really.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Yeah, all these well-worded threads telling ArenaNet how much grind is in the game contrary to the manifesto (marketing video of lies and half-truths) are all just totally troll threads and invalid, right? We should “go back to WoW”, right?
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
People are unhappy because of the broken promises, misleading marketing, bugged basic systems, and unprecedented amount of grind (in a cosmetic skins PvP game). No one in my eyes wants a gear treadmill (yet gear costs thousands of dungeon tokens).
But yet all you see when people give criticism is mindless complaining. You don’t (the average pro-GW2 poster) actually read what people say, you skip-read it, project on to it and then turn in to a droning apologist and tell everyone to go back to WoW.
All MMO forums are the same. Someone complains, and they are met with a consumer drone telling them to leave the game. You know, when someone has a problem with something in the game, they aren’t attacking your personal character. You don’t have to associate yourself with brand and be loyal to them. You aren’t going to be rewarded for telling people to stop complaining.
You don’t like ipods? Well I have an ipod so that means you are insulting me because my self image revolves around the things that I consume. This is the type of thing that gets people arguing. People are voicing their opinions, just get over it.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
Pretty much this guy just wants things for free. His definition of no grinding = everything for free.
Except that’s not true. If you’re having trouble understanding his points, try reading them several times.
“We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2,
no one enjoys that, no one finds it fun.” – Colin Johanson
R.I.P. in piece, Guild Wars 2, August 2012 – September 2012
