Guild Wars 2

Velimere.7685:

Did this Zodin.6517 guy really just make an off-topic comparison before using a straw man fallacy to apply his own foot-in-the-mouth to someone else as though they started it and not him? I mean we all know he’s wrong about Warrior 1v1 Guardian, but now it seems like he’s only replying with the sole intent of inciting negative discourse.

No I didn’t, read again.

sephiroth.4217:

bigmonto.4215:

the fact that Warrior is currently a much better 1v1 class, but Guardian is much better at team fights.

Which is the thread discussion, Warrior beats DH. Team fights a DH is better yes, but that’s not the thread.

Zodin.6517:

Fluffball.8307:

Zodin.6517:

once again, it’s not like it’s gonna change anything.

Haha, this sums up why everyone is so angry on the internet. You’ve got some Mississippi fast food worker arguing with an Oxfrod doctorate.

Lolwhat? What’s that even supposed to mean? Remarking how a consensus does not mean it’s right does not make me an Oxford* doctorate, just about anyone should be able to understand it. And just because you’re unable to grasp it does not make you a “Mississippi fast food worker”.

Idk why you’d even bring it up, or why you’d use those titles. And it was never an argument in the first place, it was you continuously making up a bunch of off-topic, irrelevant nonsense, in order to overshadow your shortcoming. Huh, I guess that’s why you brought it up.

But you’re the one who started all the consensus earth is flat crap.

He thought that if it’s the consensus is that warrior beats dh, that it’d be true, which it isn’t. Simply address his lacking logic, seems it hurt his feelings :/

Fluffball.8307:

Zodin.6517:

once again, it’s not like it’s gonna change anything.

Haha, this sums up why everyone is so angry on the internet. You’ve got some Mississippi fast food worker arguing with an Oxfrod doctorate.

Lolwhat? What’s that even supposed to mean? Remarking how a consensus does not mean it’s right does not make me an Oxford* doctorate, just about anyone should be able to understand it. And just because you’re unable to grasp it does not make you a “Mississippi fast food worker”.

Idk why you’d even bring it up, or why you’d use those titles. And it was never an argument in the first place, it was you continuously making up a bunch of off-topic, irrelevant nonsense, in order to overshadow your shortcoming. Huh, I guess that’s why you brought it up.

No lol. I mean, you’re free to think whatever you want, once again, it’s not like it’s gonna change anything. Have a good day sir.

Fluffball.8307:

That’s why you think DH counters warrior, you think ancient Greeks didn’t prove the earth was round. Don’t brag about being uneducated.

Wtf are you even talking about? I quickly make an example of how a consensus doesn’t make it correct, that makes me uneducated, and that I somehow brag about it? And how is that the reason I think dh counters warrior? Absolutely nothing of what you said makes sense.

Fluffball.8307:

Zodin.6517:

It used to be the consensus that the earth was flat, everyone agreed on that

No it didn’t, that’s a myth. Humans were intelligent enough to realize it was round at the dawn of history.

That’s a a completely different topic, it was used to make an example, might as well have been what if ppl thought it rains horses. What you’re saying is completely irrelevant. Once again, lacking logic. I’ve no clue how your response is linked to the topic but aight.

Fluffball.8307:

Zodin you’re one person saying DH is a good 1v1 class and like 80 other people in a PvP focused forum are telling you you’re wrong. This isn’t a creativity challenge, DH is bad because of concrete reasons.

Never said dh is a good 1v1 class. Quote me on that tho. Not denying that it’s a good 1v1 class either tho, it does have pretty good matchups.

It used to be the consensus that the earth was flat, everyone agreed on that, didn’t make it any more right. Not saying that the consensus is that warr beats dh, at all, just addressing the lacking logic. This isn’t democracy.

Velimere.7685:

Zodin.6517:

It’s better than the stone for sure, but in the end dh still kittens warr, there’s too much to make up, which signet doesn’t alone.

The meta Warrior build pretty much counters every other build. DH is no exception.

No it doesn’t.

Warlord.9074:

Not every warrior build takes the same traits in Berserker, Defense or Discipline Trait line. The trait lines are mandatory but the traits in those lines are certainly not mandatory especially in berserker traitline. We can argue about that all day especially traits like dead or alive that are situational and most the time are useless.

We can also Argue that Pack runes are certainly not Meta in every comp where you get fury from other sources already from a team member when Strength runes become automatically better especially if other team mates are already running pack runes. You can argue about sigils such as AIR when force is obviously better as it buffs every hit instead of 1 every 3 seconds and has been nerfed atleast twice that i know of.

You can’t have it both ways. You cant say somthing naturally becomes meta so no one can take credit for it, but then take credit for it. Then take credit for it. If somthing is meta becasue its the best and most optimal thing to do. Obino didn’t invent the meta, it just is meta. And I ran it before him its a fact. Obino was very very late to jump on the bandwagon its proven.

I never argued that I created the build 1st, I argued that it had already been done which is true. So pls get off your high horse. You can’t discredit me for running somthing before anyone else on this forum or in PVP way before they ever thought of it. What I was doing was way ahead of its time and I have since been running it in PVP and WvW ever sense then.

Facts are facts opinions are just that you have yours I respectfully disagree becasue thats all it is.

Since you seemingly still haven’t read anything that’s been said, I’ll just copy pasta this everytime you come back to throw malarky:

By that logic anyone can claim the build as his coz they sometime had the same weapon set, so, pretty much everyone. I guess every meta was created by some random chinese guy who ran something similar when lvling up and is completely irrelevant lol. Your build isn’t even the same, the only thing that is the same is what u can’t ever change on warrior, traits, heal, stances and elite. Everything else is different. Jk, you have the same weapon set, now you can take credit for something that isn’t yours, just like every warrior that has ever had gs mace shield equipped. Plz. Guess I accidentally made some meta when HoT launched and checked stuff out on golems, didn’t know I was a master theorycrafter.

It was made, introduced and first used in competetive Obindo. Get over it.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Zodin.6517:

You don’t, dh kittens on warrior

meditrapper vs condi maybe

the signet of might GS/Mace Shield power war directly counters nearly every meta DH build.

It’s better than the stone for sure, but in the end dh still kittens warr, there’s too much to make up, which signet doesn’t alone.

Druid.

Frozen.1347:

Debating about the “ownership” (lol) of a build, when 99% of said build are, what everyone runs anyway? Hilarious thread <3

I can understand if someone wants to get credit for something completely new and unique that hes has created. But for taking all that usual/mandatory stuff and then maybe adding certain sigils or runes? Wow …

Also, Obindo posting with Zodin’s account?

Ye it’s kittened, I answered why it became meta, and how he made, brought it competetive and mate it meta. And this guy can’t seem to deal with it. As I said several time, it isn’t up for debate, never was, I’m trying to get through to his head how it is and he keeps trying to discredit and take some sort of credit that isn’t his, even tho most of it was just as I also said before, resorting to making up fallacious anecdotes to overshadow his shortcomings. Extremely juvenile.

And no, then he’d use his own acc… Altho I asked some things for confirmation.

You don’t, dh kittens on warrior

Warlord.9074:

No copyright court would ever side with you. Build is too close. Youre salty and youre wrong. There is proof otherwise to your claims of who ran it 1st. you failed. get over it.

The build is too close? It’s restricted, EVERY build has to use the same traits for example. Everything that isn’t mandatory is different apart from 1 sigil lol. Even if it was identical, it wouldn’t be yours, it would be everyone’s and so nobody’s. Copy pasta from before, since you seem unable to grasp the simple concept or just never read it:

“By that logic anyone can claim the build as his coz they sometime had the same weapon set, so, pretty much everyone. I guess every meta was created by some random chinese guy who ran something similar when lvling up and is completely irrelevant lol. Your build isn’t even the same, the only thing that is the same is what u can’t ever change on warrior, traits, heal, stances and elite. Everything else is different. Jk, you have the same weapon set, now you can take credit for something that isn’t yours, just like every warrior that has ever had gs mace shield equipped. Plz. Guess I accidentally made some meta when HoT launched and checked stuff out on golems, didn’t know I was a master theorycrafter.
It was made, introduced and used in competetive by Obindo. It’s his build. Get over it.”

Only reason you’re still embaressing yourself is cause you’re just trying to be relevant when you aren’t and/or extremely delusional. The build is his, it isn’t up for discussion. You know it yourself, and no sane person will give you credit for something that isn’t yours. No use in pretending and embaressing yourself anymore, it is, as it always has been, settled. Get over it.

Warlord.9074:

Time for you to go bye bye zodin
“I have 3 ascended sets for my warr: Zerker-strength marauder-strength, marauder-pack. I mainly use maruader-pack for gunflame, I hate being in fight with only the base 100% movement speed.
If u get 1 set, 100% go strength for this build.”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/WvsW-build-looking-for-feedback/6021535

Listen Zodin like I said I have very good memory about what happens in reality of history. People like you don’t like that and like to just make things up.

When I post my build on the season 2 rank tracker was about same time that post comes from.

That’s wvw, not pvp, you’ve sidetracked like crazy. Never said he didn’t run marauder in wvw, the topic is pvp, the zerker meta build and you’re talking about something completely different, taking what I say about the pvp meta build and claim it’s about a random wvw build for whatever reason. You’re putting words in my mouth so you can feel smart for a moment. And your memory isn’t any good either as you proved earlier.
Quit being so delusional.

Obindo made, introduced and used it in competetive first, the build is his, get over it. Instead of making up theese fallacies so u can overshadow it. Plz.

Matty.1953:

A bit of a weird post considering the esports scene is a lil dead but for anyone that is genuinely interested in clashing horns with the best of the best here is an interesting thing to note:

The very best players on the scene are so because of their immense experience accrued since beta or release. However, Guild Wars 2 is now over 4 years old. Depending on their age when they started to play the game, some of these players may have already reached the ripe old age of 24, which marks the beginning of a decline in cognitive and motor skills. Veteran esports giants in games like LoL and SC2 tend to retire around this age.

Now, I don’t think we’ll this kind of phenomenon as strongly as in these games, just because of how wildly experienced the best Guild Wars players are, but it’s possible that we could see some player turnover soon. Perhaps we’ll see some new stars yet!

The majority of the top players are (were coz most left) very young, the most recent being Obindo at 17 yrs. And he’s been playing for only 2 yrs, less than 1 of that being pvp so you don’t need 4 yrs experience whatsoever, it’s just a prerequisite. Same applies to Lord Asura.

Also, Sindrener I believe is 26 (might be wrong), probably 27 now, but 26 when I heard of it. So once again, just a prerequisite.

Doesn’t rly matter tho since all of them left lol

Warlord.9074:

He ran Mara in WvW and posted many times on this forum linking Youtube videos where he posted builds. He was running Mara in a lot of those builds and ran GS A/S a lot and never mace. Most of us were already running mace.

Post or Pre patch berserker has always been better.
Gunflame>killshot
Arc Devider>Arcing slice
Skullgrider>Skullcrack
New Condi war>base Condi war
Eternal Champion/RR>base warrior
Headbutt>any other base warrior elite
Etc etc etc
Base war was never better than Berserker spec period before and after the adrenal health buff.

3/4 of my sigils are the same as the metabattle build I am running Hydro/para/air the only sigil that is not the same is the fire sigil I had.

Listen up it’s ok if you want to be a fan boy, I understand.

Actually no, he ran zerker sorry. Hence the meta is ZERKER.
Once again, he said that core evis was better than zerker evis pre the patch in question. which it was. Regardless it’s completely irrelevant to the topic and you’re just goin completely off-topic, avoiding confrontations by making up new fallacies sidetracking more and more: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Eviscerate-Vs-Flaming-Fury/first
No need to bring solace for your personal envy. I’ve no idea why u’re bringing it up with me or in this topic,

You’ve 1/4 sigils right; air on gs. 2/4 if you disregard what weapon set you have it on. Once again, completely irrelevant.

Not a fanboy, just rational. Listen up, it’s ok if you suffer from envy, I understand.

Warlord.9074:

Zodin.6517:

Warlord.9074:

The only person that can take credit for the build is me cuz I posted it here season 2 But in reality there are about 100 other warriors that used this build before even obino posted it.

Doesn’t have signet of might but obviously I would switch to that if I looked at the match up and saw i needed it. Running signet of might isn’t always viable if your opponents don’t have a lot of blocks. so bow down to your overloard.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Season-2-rank-tracker/6009032

By that logic anyone can claim the build as his coz they sometime had the same weapon set, so, pretty much everyone. I guess every meta was created by some random chinese guy who ran something similar when lvling up and is completely irrelevant lol. Your build isn’t even the same, the only thing that is the same is what u can’t ever change on warrior, traits, heal, stances and elite. Everything else is different. Jk, you have the same weapon set, now you can take credit for something that isn’t yours, just like every warrior that has ever had gs mace shield equipped. Plz. Guess I accidentally made some meta when HoT launched and checked stuff out on golems, didn’t know I was a master theorycrafter.

It was made, introduced and used in competetive by Obindo. It’s his build. Get over it.
Fyi, he never posted it.

I have the same weapon set, I have the same traits, I have the same utilities except 1, same heal, same elite. I have 3/4 of the same sigils. Maybe not exactly as he has them but yea. It’s the same build basically. I am using a Mara amulet, isnt that what Obino runs in WvW mara armor. K I made it sorry to say NA>EU all of the way.

Actually back then Obino was still arguing on the forum that Base warrior was superior to berserker. He did this for several months. Obino was still running base war back then and telling us we were noobs for thinking Berserker spec was good.

It wasn’t until around S4-5 that obino finally came to the conclusion that base war wasn’t that great anymore. What else can I say to you that I have one of the oldest accounts on the forum here and Have been active since Launch. I can’t say that for most other people. Also I have an excellent memory.

1. He didn’t run marauder. Also he didn’t do wvw for a long time, he didn’t even use that build in wvw.
2. 1/4 sigils are the same, the rest, utility and trait (the 4/5 utilties) can’t ever be replaced, so with that logic every single build is the same lol.
3. He argued that core evis was better than berserker evis, between HoT release and s2 patch (when it ended I think) – which also speaks for you “excellent memory”. Warrior was complete trash during this time until that patch. What he said was true and I’d love to see a quote of him saying that core is better than zerker POST patch. He said so pre, not post patch and focusing on evis. Quit the fallacious anecdotes, you’re not particularly good at it.
Despite what you said was false, it’s also completely irrelevant, so no clue why you’d even say that.

“What else can I say to you that I have one of the oldest accounts on the forum here and Have been active since Launch.” What are you even trying to say?

“K I made it sorry to say NA>EU all of the way.” Once again, no clue what you’re trying to say due to that broken english. If you’re actually trying to imply NA > EU, then you just lost all your credibility.

Warlord.9074:

The only person that can take credit for the build is me cuz I posted it here season 2 But in reality there are about 100 other warriors that used this build before even obino posted it.

Doesn’t have signet of might but obviously I would switch to that if I looked at the match up and saw i needed it. Running signet of might isn’t always viable if your opponents don’t have a lot of blocks. so bow down to your overloard.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Season-2-rank-tracker/6009032

By that logic anyone can claim the build as his coz they sometime had the same weapon set, so, pretty much everyone. I guess every meta was created by some random chinese guy who ran something similar when lvling up and is completely irrelevant lol. Your build isn’t even the same, the only thing that is the same is what u can’t ever change on warrior, traits, heal, stances and elite. Everything else is different. Jk, you have the same weapon set, now you can take credit for something that isn’t yours, just like every warrior that has ever had gs mace shield equipped. Plz. Guess I accidentally made some meta when HoT launched and checked stuff out on golems, didn’t know I was a master theorycrafter.

It was made, introduced and used in competetive by Obindo. It’s his build. Get over it.
Fyi, he never posted it.

steelheart.7386:

Loop.8106:

This is a legit question, not a cry for nerf or w/e.

What beats a condi war? So far I’ve found nothing to win 1v1 and they take too long to 2v1 for it to be worth it. So outside of giving it the old turret engi treatment of letting them have your point for free and play 5v4 on two nodes, what other options are there?

They absolutly shred through Druids and Scrappers. Tried DH, it’s somewhat viable but still feel like it loses pretty hard.

Power Warrior and its superior to condi warrior in every way.

No it isn’t

Yannir.4132:

Zodin.6517:

Obindo used it (zerker and sig) in worlds qualifiers when gs carrion was relevant, then Drazeh started running it on stream after that and now everyones uses it.

It was actually Drazeh that can take credit for this build, as Denial won one of the finals basically because of it. Basically because no one had seen it before. Can’t remember if that was Pro league or World Champs.

They didn’t even use that build. They used the carrion build. Obindo made the zerker sig build and used it first/introduced it in competetive.

Obindo used it (zerker and sig) in worlds qualifiers when gs carrion was relevant, then Drazeh started running it on stream after that and now everyones uses it.

Mes, dh, scrapper (altho it can be stalemate), power warr and rev (only in high-top tier).

Arcaedus.7290:

Excellent gameplay, and great edits/music! Very much enjoyed the videos.

I have a question about the build used in the third video: how does it do against condition-based builds? I ask because about 50-60% of mesmer roamers I encounter are condi-based. Med guard seems to match up so poorly against them to the point where I’ve changed my build when I know I’m about to fight one.

Since I use Test of Faith instead of Conteplation of Purity it’s a bit harder to handle the condi pressure in a straight up fight, but during roaming I won’t play fair especially versus a condi-mesmer(0 skill noob build) I will play to win, e.i. kite them if needed – We have better mobility then condi-mesmers so I tend to kite them a lot. Fight them on range. You’re right as guardians we’ve had it rough vs condi mesmers for awhile but I think dragonhunters handle them better then normal medi due to the longbow and extra mobility.

Tbh I expected a bigger impact on my game vs condi builds when I switched away from conteplation of purity, but with test of faiths extra damage and daze it’s almost easier: one good pull into trap + knockout + True Shot combo is so much damage if they dont have any defensives left, condi or not they die. ^^

Aggrostemma.1703:

Well nothing special, Zodin goes WvW again!

I’m glad you are back

Only one question…

Obviously in a heat of the fight you do not care too much about the fragments of Aegis on the ground but I saw you dodge actually away from your buffs… Is this on purpose (for saving them for later use)?

Anyway did you traited Unscathed Contender?

Well does not matter… Nice videos and very good fights!

High five! and +1

I don’t actively run into the fragment of aegis because I’ve found them extremely unreliable, sometimes I run over them and don’t get aeigs. o.O [maybe they are better now?]
I do use unscathed contender it’s by far the best trait choice.¨
I’m glad you like the video(s)

Hello Everyone! I’ve released 3 Dragonhunter Roaming Videos since HoT launch I hope you enjoy them -

Vol.1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wUeVrjUUQ

Vol.2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoK978-pYuk

Vol.3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGYml97N4KY

ionix.9054:

I tend to roam with 2x other friends: condi mesmer and thief.

Been away from Guardian for a while… are the metabattle builds OK for small group like this? Or does someone have a suggestion?

I used to run (and loved) the incomingray 1700+ healing power, cleric/magi build. But things have since changed.

If you’re gonna run with a 3-man group I would recommend a more offensive- rather then a supportive build. If you dont mind running meditation then I would strongly recommend it because it is the strongest roaming build right now. But I know shout-zerker build could work and it would provide some utility for your friends, and you will still pump out OK damage. (I dont want to make this an advertisement for my youtube channel, but if you want to check out some meditation roaming gameplay there is a link the my signature, maybe it can help you?)

skcamow.3527:

Do traits like indomitable courage and absolute resolution work with the dragonhunter virtues (wings of resolve/shield of courage) even though they specifically reference the vanilla guardian virtues in the tool tip?

They do work with the Dragonhunter virtues, I used virtues trait-line during BWE2 and 3 and they worked flawlessly

Zakhelm.4618:

Enjoyed the Videos. My question is to you will be using at least one trap after they get improved.-

I think using Judges intervetion + trap could be a cool combo and I like the new changes to traps…but dunno if they can compete with a full medi build, maybe switch CoP for a trap when you’re not fighting agasint a condi class

Crapgame.6519:

Amaya.1483:

This is so far the best Dragonhunter thing i have seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTBsV-A0eLk

Side note, anyone else notice how the Guardian’s bow and/or traps are easy to avoid? Especially LB 5 When it lands, it is pure gold. However, I have only had it successfully land a few times. It is a lot like hunting ducks in that you have to lead the target due to the mechanic of it.

LB5 is Shadow Refuge counter only atm :P But the cast time is arguably a bit to long… its hard to say tho, because the ability is pretty strong if you do manage to land it

Ezrael.6859:

Nice video, here’s some of my clips from BWE3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQH-A8OrFX0

Dragonhunter and the Longbow felt much better compared to BWE2, there’s a lot to learn still and it’s a different playstyle for sure. Need to get used to using True Shot at near to max range, I often found people stepping past 1200 during the animation and it wouldn’t reach.

Yeah I agree Dragonhunte felt a lot better in BWE3 compared to BWE2. Im really looking forward to getting my hands on Longbow again =)

Zakhelm.4618:

Enjoyed the Videos. My question is to you will be using at least one trap after they get improved.-

Traps were really strong in BWE3, I think they said they were bugged and hit 3x more then then should’ve xD

Check this video (I have not made the video) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZmoaVhc_o&feature=youtu.be

Hello everyone! Beta Is over, and I’ve been productive
I’ve made two Dragonhunter Roaming Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Rq0GetzJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de9ejT-5VBg
I hope you enjoy!
— Zodin

Don’t waste your blink, try to save it for when the medi guard has uesed his JI, cuz most guards rely on landing JI + Whirl, or binding blade, and if you dont have invuln or a means of escape you’re pretty much done. You have shorter CD on Blink then we have on Judges so use it at the sametime to escape the burst.

Stay at max range as much as you can and try to kite as best you can – remember that you have superior range, use it! I would stick with GS for the most part agasint guard. You can win against good guardians if you play correctly imo! Good luck