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Here is a crash from me from yesterday after the patch that “fixed” client crashes:
Didn’t have crashes before HoT.
This is the worst! I can’t even do events now as soon as I crash I come back to a bad map.
- Crash <—*
OOM: DxBuffer (type:static) (pool:9) (size:1734080),
App: Gw2.exe
Pid: 4416
Cmdline:
BaseAddr: 00A40000
ProgramId: 101
Build: 54706
When: 2015-10-29T23:09:14Z 2015-10-29T17:09:14-06:00
Uptime: 0 days 2:07:03
Flags: 0
- System <—*
Name: DESKTOP-N34MEAP
IpAddr: 10.0.0.45
Processors: 8 [GenuineIntel:6:14:3]
OSVersion: Windows 6.2 (64 bit)
- System Memory <—*
Physical: 25698MB/32717MB 78%
Paged: 25140MB/32917MB 76%
Virtual: 98MB/ 4095MB 2%
Load: 21%
CommitTotal: 7777MB
CommitLimit: 32917MB
CommitPeak: 7784MB
SystemCache: 13676MB
HandleCount: 25999
ProcessCount: 52
ThreadCount: 805
- Process Memory <—*
Private: 3677MB
WorkingSet: 3549MB
PeakWorkingSet: 3556MB
PageFaults: 8767049
- Memory Category Usage (Inclusive) <—*
[Category] [Size(MB)] [Count]
VRAM 1465.60 21075
Root 1102.73 1586583
VRAM – Prop Tex 505.22 1333
Art Assets 490.65 19345
Programmer Data 459.29 496820
Anim Import Models 241.10 969
Anim Import Packfile 241.10 969
Engine 234.18 308136
VRAM – Character Geo 186.07 682
VRAM – Gr Postproc 172.54 20
VRAM – Effect Geo 171.29 779
Game 133.78 115122
Gr 125.00 183011
Map Assets 114.51 13165
Uncategorized 112.95 1014876
VRAM – Composite Tex 108.50 117
VRAM – Gr Geometry 103.35 933
Prop Models 101.90 7368
Character Models 98.95 1578
Content 96.47 37301
Prop Packfile 95.32 533
Composite Models 66.63 975
Collections 63.36 9726
Map 62.46 41575
- Memory Category Usage (Exclusive) <—*
[Category] [Size(MB)] [Count]
VRAM – Prop Tex 505.22 1333
Anim Import Packfile 241.10 969
VRAM – Character Geo 186.07 682
VRAM – Gr Postproc 172.54 20
VRAM – Effect Geo 171.29 779
Uncategorized 112.95 1014876
VRAM – Composite Tex 108.50 117
VRAM – Gr Geometry 103.35 933
Content 96.47 37301
Prop Packfile 95.32 533
Dictionary 60.87 2344
Map Zone 56.96 18019
VRAM – UI Textures 45.42 1423
Gr 40.87 8947
Composite Tex Pool 38.51 78
Effect Packfile 33.71 367
VRAM – Terrain Tex 31.17 53
Character Packfile 31.01 223
Gr Umbra 30.48 4053
Composite Packfile 28.07 802
Text 25.07 3249
VRAM – DDI Shader 23.36 15082
VRAM – Gr Img 17.61 9
Collide Havok 17.34 43487
[DbgHelp.dll is C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\dbghelp.dll]
[DbgHelp.dll version 10.0.10240.16384 (64/32-bit compatible)]
- RenderThread Thread 0×1200 <—*
- Trace <—*
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- Thread registers <—*
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- DirectX Device Info <—*
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VidMem = 4095 MB
So last night we gathered in the new PVE map of Verdant Brink to farm some flax in order to upgrade our newly acquired guild hall.
While engaging in this fun activity we thought we should have even more fun and prove our newfound PVE prowess by doing something called an “event”. The event seemed innocuous enough as all we were asked to do was gather eggs for a very friendly looking frog. We climbed some cliffs and found a great boatload of eggs just sitting there next to some cute little wyverns. As we began to collect the eggs the cute little Wyverns started attacking us for no apparent reason at all! Next thing we knew was that our entire guild wiped to these wolves in sheep clothing.
It was in that moment that we realized how terrible and unprepared we were into this PVE foray and that we are in desperate need of PVE masters to teach us the ancient ways of PVE.
As such if you are one of those mighty people with the Dungeon Master title that can tell us the difference between a 1 and a 3 option in dungeons (they are difficulty levels right?) or if you are a fractal god with dreams of organizing PVE raids and groups and have ever felt a calling or desire to expand your PVE crushing skills to try out Guild VS Guild, World VS World or Player VS Player content… check us out!
We will worship your PVE abilities like the God or Goddess you truly are!
Come check us out and help us get good, or at least come watch the trainwreck unfold from the inside. Either way you will likely have a good time!
PS: You don’t actually have to be a full fledged god player to join our guild we are also accepting people that just barely have their training wheels, as long as you are active, friendly, older than 18 and are willing to learn.. you may be just what we are looking for and hopefully we can satisfy your needs in return
If it were a memory leak then everyone would have this issue and that’s not the case.
Of course it isn’t everyone, but you could have gotten yourself a bit more informed also. ALOT of players have issues, on 32bit and 64bit systems, windows or mac, and only AFTER the HoT update.
As for the OP, I can’t give you a quickfix, for some lowering the settings is enough to stay ingame for at least an hour, if you have the option, try to upgrade to 64bit (altho that may not solve it at all).
It is semi-confirmed something (NVidia cards perhaps) COMBINED with the game client causes this so a solution is not easy. There are many hints and tips on the forums about fixes (playing in windowed mode) but they work for some and not for others. Be sure to also report your problem via a ticket (just once), and keep using the client report feature every time you chrash.
Nope not just nvideo cards I’m running a AMD Radeon R9 Fury.. also using a 64bit OS (Windows 10 Pro). It does seem to be a memory leak issue with the client itself and ANet has to fix it.
been reading the forums and it seems that most (if not all) of the people getting these crashes are running nvidia video cards.
They really need to fix this… it is not just a 32 bit or 64 bit os problem.. it is a memory leak in the client and seems to be triggering if you run an nvidia card.
FIX THIS PLEASE… asap
Nah happening to me too..
I’m running a Radeon R9 Fury.
Game ran fine without any crashes pre HoT, now it crashes constantly.
same problem here.
My game ran smooth as butter without crashes prior to HoT.
Now I crash randomly.. really sucks when you’re in an active event map to crash and come back to an inactive map. Makes the game unfun.
My current rig:
Skylake i7 6700k
32gb ddr4
Radeon R9 Fury
game is running off a Samsung 850 Pro ssd.
Gigabyte G1 gaming motherboard
Windows 10 Pro
You know that psycho hot chick you should have stayed away from but keep hooking up with (and it’s not because she can cook.. at least not in the kitchen).
Being in [MEAN] is a little bit like that. There are times you question your sanity, well being and life choices while in the guild but my god when things are good they’re spectacular.
Also everything you’ve read or heard about us being a WvW or GvG guild with some PvP thrown in… It’s a lie. That’s the old us. The new us is all about the PVE content, we even managed to somehow get a guild hall!
BTW great job on the [MEAN] videos Tryden! The intro of the hypening video posted above encapsulated perfectly the milieu of the guild, for anyone interested check them out and check us out!
This was supposed to be a humorous post, you all are too serious, except for reply #1 who understands. brofist
I have played a power necromancer quite a bit before the expansion (in PVE, PvP and WvW).
But for years us necros have been getting kicked out of dungeon runs because we played necro, excluded from fractals and generally shunned by the greater GW2 community.
Now that I have Reaper unlocked I feel like an instrument of Death ready to unleash myself upon the world! Out for vengance against all those who have wronged me!
Not having ever played other PVE behemoth classes such as warrior or elementalist I don’t know whether being able to actually ‘kill mobs’ using “attacks” is a bug or if this is what it’s been like for other classes since the game was released years ago.
Seeing all those damage notifications and big numbers now is extremely satisfying, it almost makes me feel a little bit dirty and bad for all the NPCs and other players that will be crushed underneath my Scythe.
There are times where I slaughter entire groups of mobs and I stop and think to myself, “Is this real life?” Then I come to the realization that… I AM DEATH!
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Agreed the expansion is way too grindy.
They really messed this up.
Heart of Thorns is easily the best part of Guild Wars 2 now (at least the first 2 areas.. tangled depths is terribly designed)…
Why would they make this content available to only level 80’s and make it a grinding experience. These areas and the music are amazing and the best I’ve ever seen in this game and to lock them behind walls that new players can’t experience is a massive mistake.
Requiring groups for Hero challenges is such a disappointment especially when playing on an empty server..
It’s obvious ANet has gone back and changed the formula to a pre megaserver method to allow players on their servers to play together more.. but this is terrible for servers that don’t have high activity.
In maybe 10 tries or so I have yet to see a successful Auric Basin megaevent. And why do you guys allow griefers to spoil this event with the trigger blossom mechanic?
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I want to chime in about the nightmare that is bunker/turret engineer.
I’ve been running into 3 engi teams quite a bit. Usually with some kind of healer/damage class as the 4th and 5th spots.
One team in particular had 3 engineers, a thief and a ele. The quick mobility of the ele and thief allowed the teams to easily bounce between home, mid and far while the engineers just bunkered down and held the spots vs. several attackers waiting for the heals and DPS to show up.
And when there is no pressure on one point or you focus on taking one point one of the other engineers will go to mid or your home making the spot impossible to cap with 2 bunker engineers.
Turrets need to be balanced differently than the way they work right now.
I just tested it..
If you log out with “Account bound on acquire” items in your inventory they will turn into “Account Bound” when you log back in.
So the fix for this is place all the “Account Bound on Acquire” items in your inventory and log out with them then log back in and you can stack the items..
I have the same issue I reported it here just now:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Can-t-stack-items-Account-Bound-BUG
Their item database is corrupted with the latest patch.
See my report:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Can-t-stack-items-Account-Bound-BUG
I cannot stack any of my old items that were account bound with new items that are account bound.
The problem looks to be that the flags for all my old items were reset from “Account Bound” to “Account Bound on acquire”.
So newly acquired items are “Account Bound” but old items are “Account Bound on acquire”. You can split the old “Account Bound on acquire” items and they will become account bound and you will then be able to stack them except for the last item since there is no way to make it account bound.
This bug applies to all account bound items such as Bloodstone Dust, boosters, etc…
ANet, was this last patch even tested?
I also had the same issue a few days ago when I returned to the game.
I tried to purchase 8,000 gems twice using paypal and both times received an error. When I tried the purchase with 4,000 gems the order went through on the first attempt.
I’m having a similar issue.
All of my guild chat worked normally when I first logged in.
After swapping characters my guild chat messages started to disappear. When someone spoke the guild chat window lights up and I look at guild chat and there is no text.
On pressing play my entire screen flickers forever and locks up the entire computer. (it used to flicker for a few seconds then the main screen appeared, now it won’t end). I can move the mouse around, but it’s laggy and the only way out is a hard reset.
Win XP 32-bit , Radeon HD 4800
I’m running the integrity check at the moment, I will try windowed mode after this.
I am having exactly the same as this. I’m also on Win XP (I believe it’s 32-bit); is it only XP machines getting the problem, does anyone know?
Any ETA for a real fix? I’ll try the windowed thing after I get my kids to bed.
No someone with Windows 7 also reported the same error.
running the game in windowed like the guy said above seems to be a temp fix to the problem.
Launch the game through a shortcut using the command line:
Gw2.exe -perf -windowed
Hopefully this will let people temporarily play the game while ArenaNet works on a fix.
I have the same issue today (3-16-2015) after downloading the patch.
The game patched but when I press play the music keeps playing and the system becomes non responsive and I have to reboot my entire system (ctrl+alt+del/alt4/alt+tab/ctrl+esc/alt+enter.. nothing works). The only fix is reboot of PC.
Running Windows XP (32 bit) with an AMD 7800 Radeon GPU.
Please help I want to play the game :|
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