Guild Wars 2

Aaron Ansari.1604:

astroboy.5431:

and they all have very little or none background at all :/

That is the portion of your original post that we were responding to. It seems to me like your gripe isn’t with their background, which is uncontestedly fuller than that of Destiny’s Edge, but with their implementation- a valid complaint, but one too late to fix. Mind you, the Destiny’s Edge comparison is still odd- we only know about their backstory from a huge info dump outside of the main game that we had to pay for. In-game, we only get little hints in dialogue boxes that your party will hate you for taking the time to read, if you even think to check. (Have you been in that situation? Lost valuable exposition on your past predicaments? Have a shameless plug of Jelle’s Archivist project, coming often to your local youtube!)

As to your suggestion- personally, I would have preferred to learn about the biconics’ histories by visiting them in the special instances ANet bothered to set up for them during the patches when they aren’t hip-deep in the main plot, but unfortunately, aside from a handful of scenes between Ophelia and Braham that acted as if we weren’t present, their home instances are as underutilized as our own. But, alas, it seems for the most part like it is too late for that.

First, I never meet people that go through story dungeon and urge you to skip the animation
Second, Wiki summarize the Edge of Destiny’s story already
Third, not only the background story, but the personal stories’ stories of the DE’s member makes DE’s member content much richer and ‘storylover-friendly’, I kept on saying already
Which the new ‘heroes’ have a little or none of the above, and that’s exactly what they lack of, special instances you said, or side-stories, expansions or even a fiction is much needed.

Guild Wars 2 General Article: Evaluating the Living Story
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/8276/page/2
His review pretty much pin point the problem of Scarlet and some problem with the biconics as well

Quotes:
It seems like half the GW2 fan base considers her (He’s referring to Scarlet) a delightfully unpredictable scamp while the other half considers her the ultimate deus ex machina, able to break lore and do whatever she wants because the devs say so

_Scarlet Briar. I don’t mind the notion of a Joker-esque “crazy villain,” but she needs a reason for her craziness and why she does what she does. Just doing stuff “because she’s crazy” gets old after a while. In the past few updates, we’ve finally started to glimpse her true purpose, but clues could have been dropped much earlier so players wouldn’t have gotten bored as quickly with her escapades.

Speaking of the length… keep in mind we’ve been on this story arc for 14 months, across 25 (as of Tuesday) updates.That’s a long time to try and hold people’s attention, and a long time to keep all your story elements in place and working toward a conclusion. Does anyone have any more than vague memories of when the Charr and Norn were driven out by the Molten Alliance a year ago? I’d shorten the length of the next Living Story, maybe letting it just run eight or nine months, to the end of the year._

The reason for her craziness could be revealed soon, but still, is 14 months of frustration and the randomness of these events & characters appearances really makes the story good? Her connections with all the antagonist parties makes sense because dev, after >1year, say so?

Hey… Don’t twist the meaning of background stories and even claim that the new char. have even more in-deep polishment and contents … Personal Story writers should be crying right now …

Why Ignore the whole personal stories for characters developments and a book called “Edge of Destiny” for the epic background stories ( which are stories before the in-game stories ) …

Now u get the background stories from * a few text-based chats or GW2 site’s stories*, and you are convinced this is even better and much deeper than the complete personal story … Even if everyone reads the official site’s stories/streams ( which most ppl don’t and so they don’t exactly know who they are, especially Taimi ).

do u really think this is something more rigid then the whole story-line of you as a hero of your hometown and to the Defeat of Zhaitan? They grow and interact with you all along your very own stories, it feels like an old friend of you, but then, suddenly a random guy pump up, spoon-fed you with some ‘facts’ for you to learn about him, you have to learn about it ( which most of the info is not even from the game itself but a post from the official site, the most awkward one being Scarlet herself ), … Have u take a moment to consider is this really a good way to introduce a characters, or does this way of introduction make sense ?

All I suggest is to add some side-stories in-game for the char. development of these characters, but all the replies focus on saying these new char have even more contents than DE’s members … I am really surprise some people think this way… seriously …

Konig Des Todes.2086:

We actually have just about as much background on the biconics as the iconics – sans Taimi. And we continue to get more.

well.. we don’t.

Seriously …how can u say they have the same background and stories when u just learn the background from few chats with Taimi as compared to the whole personal storyline with those iconics?

As some of you may know, the new Destiny’s Edge refers to the new stars in the living story, namely Rox, Braham, Marjory Delaqua, Kasmeer Meade and Taimi as they actively participate in the LS and the old DE members kind of disappear. ( They did show up in a few places of LS though but that’s it )

I want to make one thing clear, I LOVE some of the characters in the LS, but to me, most of them come out from no where and they all have very little or none background at all :/

It would be hard for you to get into the story when the main characters is some people you just come across, It is really odd. I’m not a person that get convinced the official give it to u and tell you to believe, yeah, they are the new stars/heroes in the story.

The most awkward appearance was Taimi which suddenly appears in Marionette and start leading you in the lane 1 fight …. It was good that they recently give u a stream about the Taimi background though, but still very little story as compared to people in personal story.

SUGGESTION:
What the new heroes lacks are their background stories. IMO, if they bring out characters in the personal story and make them the new Destiny’s Edge ( Faren as the new hero, how about that? LOL ), that would make more sense. Since it was impossible to do this now, is it possible that Anet could give add some side-stories or branch stories in the personal stories of the new Destiny’s Edge members so to give them some character development?

Besides, I really wish our main antagonist wasn’t Scarlet but a person/some people we already know in our personal story and dungeon with the same reason. Faolain and Kudu are exceptionally good choice ( though Kudu is ‘dead’, but u know.. they could always come back if they want to ) as their involvement in Nightmare court and Elder dragons research ( both possibly related to Mordremoth )

http://gw2.kongzhong.com/act/team/bin/

it is pretty awesome they includes lots of interviews and a cool design of the site itself, surely it takes lots of effort

just look at Colin LOL

FlamingFoxx.1305:

You guys are missing some really crucial facts, the ‘fight’ against Zhaitain wasn’t just that final little bit in the end of Arah Story mode. We’ve been fighting him through the entire personal story, trying to find his weaknesses and ways to fight the dragons corruption. The 5 races have banded together and merged their knowledge and technologies and have fought through the hordes of Orr.

Just because the fight seemed ‘easy’ mechanically doesn’t mean that it actually was easy by any means. Zhaitan is dead, the Pact and the PC worked very hard to achieve that, I’m sorry none of you seem to recognise all the effort that they put into it >.>

I guess most people do notice this LOL

A good point here in fact, it could be true but I do hope the storyline weren’t so straightforward in gw2, especially there were so many twists and bends in gw1 and there are so many question remains about the dragon race. Especially why Zhaitan was so aggressive to the races of Tyria while the other dragons remains relatively silent after the awakening.

Kain Francois.4328:

Originally we could see Zhaitan’s Corpse inside Arah Explorable. In fact, he could see his corpse in early trailers and beta forms of the Arah Map. He was removed from the final version because his new corpse is too big, I assume.

It didn’t matter whether the corpse of Zhaitan exist or not.

The whole theory was about “Zhaitan” was merely a term created by the other race to describe the most powerful undead dragon. ( <— Er, that’s actually the fact ) There were so many undead dragons and they can grow to become the lieutenants, eventually “Zhaitan” itself.

Just like Kings & Queens of the human, u do find their corpse but no one will say the King is “dead forever”, because some people will takes its place.

It is very logical a hierarchy system exist in any intelligent creature, including the dragon race.

Eluveitie.1290:

Everytime there seems to be someone popping up that Zhaitan is not dead with a new theory.

He IS dead. He has been for months, probably for half a year already.

People were so dissapointed by how it ended that they’re trying to find ways to create a fantasy where Zhaitan is still lurking and a threat.

I just don’t know what to say to people who believe everything some people told u while saying other people who have doubts are in their own fantasy :/ And I already include the word “theory” in the title of this post

The reason I and other people who suggest other theory is because we love the storyline and would want to see what other people think about it, that’s the purpose of open discussion

I guess it was because there were so many twists in gw1 storyline leaded my friend to suggest such theory to the “death” of Zhaitan.

Henge.3907:

Shard of Zhaitan

Shard of Zhaitan
Item type Trophy Rarity Rare Binding Account Bound

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A small piece of Zhaitan, forever dead.

you do know the tooth of Jormag was in Hoelbrak right at the start of the game?

One day I was discussing the elder dragons with one of my friend and I told him I was very dissapointed to learnt that Zhaitan was defeated/killed in Arah Story mode, and that I and many others were really disappointed and surprised of his defeat because of how powerful dragons are.
( In all the storyline and lore, dragons were like a “natural phenomena” that exist long before the human and the Six. A single breath, movement can already completely change geography of the world, blah blah blah )

You could see there are lots of dragons surrounding Zhaitan during the fight in Arah, though “Zhaitan” was defeated, his minions in Orr and other smaller dragons didn’t disappeared. That’s one proof and everyone knows it.

Now his theory was, the name “Zhaitan” itself was actually a rank of the Risen race, much like Kings and Queens of the human, where the most powerful undead dragon was referred as Zhaitan by the humans. The undead dragons can grow just like every other race on Tyria to became its lieutenants and finally became the leader of the race, “Zhaitan”.

This can be applied to other dragon races such as the icebrood, my friend asked me why the Claw of Jormag “respawned” every now and then, and I answered him because it was just a game. ( Of course !? ) And yet he suggested that there are so many ice dragons to take the place as the lieutenant ( and there are many lieutenants ), and so does the “Jormag” of the ice dragon race.

This also explained why the dragons have awakened before but nothing can defeat them as they could grow minions and these minions can grow, eventually took their places.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World#Order_of_Whispers

one day i browse through the wiki and read the story of great flood of lion’s arch and then I read the following passage:

keyword: monastery, shiverpeaks, monks, historian

Although not directly referred to Durmand Priory itself, it is clear enough that the monastery in shiverpeaks is in fact the Priority, so is it possible that that the priority was actually founded by OoW or at least help the establishment of it.