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How do you know you have a “high MMR” and a “low MMR” account? Your evidence seems very anecdotal at best because we don’t have access to any real numbers. You may be right but it’s really hard to tell and my experience with matchmaking systems over many years is leaning towards you being wrong.
That`s why i said “as far as i experienced”. When you are an experienced player because you played a lot ranked, than you have to admit, that you are able to see a difference in skill- and rotation level from ppl you matched with and against. If you start a new account you can see pretty well how it improve in MMR by see the changes in the ppl you meet in matches and how the matches improve in skill Level on both sides (enemyteam and your own team- at least in the old MM and MMR system it was). Sure not an exact number but something like experience. Also if you know the PvP community then you also know what player considered to have a clue about their class/ role and the rotation, becaue they have a name in the community, there are plenty of good player known, in- and outside of ESL. If you start to get matched with them you probably (not for sure) have an higher MMR then with an account you never meet them. All together is not a clear number/ prove, nothing you can be totally sure but it give you an idea.
With the MMR changes anet also give us a number (now the number in games you played in ranked is used to calculate your MMR instead of your rank). It is only a part of MMR and we dont now how much it effects the MMR but the possibility that my main account with several 1000 matches will have an higher MMR then my second acc with less then 150 is high, especially together with the fact, that my winrate is bit better on my mainaccount (after starting season 2 it is much better now…).
And in the end it don`t even matter if i really have 2 accounts with different MMR or if they have similar MMR. Fact is, that i have 2 accounts and one get freewins in an almost endless row, the other one get loosestrikes in a row. Only Coincidence/ luck/bad luck if you started with some looses or wins in season 2? Maybe. But even then it is a bad system, when my skill don`t make any difference for an account that is in a loosing way, because it get matched up with newbies against much much better teams over and over again.
Also i don`t believe in coincidence because it is just too much that points in the direction that the new MM system prefer to match low MMR teams vs much higher MMR teams, so that lot of ppl have easy wins and others have sure looses no matter how good they are.
And in the end one thing is for sure: my skill level is the same on both accounts… MMR or luck/ bad luck can be the only difference. I think it is the MMR because anet cannot reset how many ranked games my accounts have. If the number of game is part of MMR then MMR can`t be totally resetted.
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It won’t be hard if you are a decent player. Went like 9-1 out of amber. If you are a good player in a pool of terrible players you should be able to easily carry your team no matter how bad they are.
That is so wrong for the current situation that it hurts. Sure if you are a decent player (with a low MMR, because of second acc for example) among noobs you can carry the team and build up your MMR and division, but the current problem is, that you are a decent player matched up with noobs but matched against player with much higher skill level then your 4 teammates. No one can carry that, no one! And btw most ppl you cannot carry because they will not listen to your advices. They start to flame or to discuss and Play even worse over that.
I already wrote my experience i have with a high MMR main acc and a low MMR second account. I write it here again. Long text but maybe it helps to understand when someone with an insane winstrike say it and not a crying “looser”:
Quote: "Hi i usually avoid forums but i want to talk about what i experienced in this season. I managed to have a look at it from 2 totally different perspectives. I have 2 accounts i play PvP with. My main acc has a high MMR (several 1000 played ranked games, high winrate). My second acc made it to ruby t4 last season after i managed to get prim champ on main acc. My sec acc is rank 80 and had a good winrate in season1, so a good (but still not totally high) MMR (from what i experienced). But it has very low number of ranked games, under 150 (i leveled this acc in unranked, because we had no ranked this time). With MMR changing from rank to number of played ranked games, the MMR of this acc dropped remarkable as i experience now in season 2.
So what happened the last days? I only talk about solo queuing:
I sure started with my main acc into season 2, experienced insane wins after wins. Getting good teammates and get matched vs very, and i mean VERY low skilled teams. So free wins, even with some disconnect issues my team could have won the games 4vs5. Most (not all) games won with less then 100 points on enemyteam. So what feeling do i have with that acc? I think, why does anet waste my time with present me freewins up to sap-div (i switched to sec acc at this point) instead of let me start in higher division right from the start? Sure it is nice to get pips that easy, but it is also no fun and it is incredible boring. Also i cannot see the skill in that…
As i mentioned i switched to my sec acc, really uninformed at this point about new MMR and matchmaking. So i thought lets get this acc out of low divison too, as long as this is working so well for me.
Now with this acc i got matched with ppl seems to play their first pvp matches life and got matched against teams with much higher skill lvl then my four teammates. The difference in teamskill was so high, not even god could carry this to a victory. With this acc i face like 4-6 looses (incl ppl going afk early because of frustration every second match) and then get one win with 2 pips. Will get me out of amber but i sure will not try any further. It is like a totally different world my sec acc live in… The whole winratio/ MMR of this acc drop drastically with every hour i play this acc.
My thought with this acc: Why is anet wasting my time and my MMR to feed me to high MMR teams to give them freewins and carry them into heaven? And how can i higher my MMR on this acc? Ok i need to play more ranked games to higher the number (what is part of MMR now) but if i loose like 60-70% of the games like 50-500 because of the new league matchmaking, then my MMR will drop in the same time. I feel like just delete this acc, it is doomed anyway… and between the seasons there is no ranked where i could grind some MMR for the next season…
Sure it is only sec acc, i can wait with it until things settled down. But what is with other ppl having only one acc, with low MMR, how can they improve without being barred from league for the first days? They cannot improve when they just get destroyed by much better teams. Also will things really settle down with the time? If the new matchmaking always match lower MMR teams vs higher MMR teams to give them easy wins? Maybe the skill-difference between the teams will be lower when things settle down but the system seems to punish lower MMR through all divisions because it seems to be inherent in the system now. And it feels like high skill don`t help (at least as long as the MMR-difference between the teams is that insane high).
I`m not an expert in MMR and matchmaking, i usually just play PvP without think about this, because i never had a problem with any acc to build up a good MMR over the time. So if i got something wrong i`m happy about every explanation and also tips how i can get my sec acc out of his way down. Please don`t come with arguments like “get better”, i face matchups with this acc sure unwinable no matter what i do in like 70% of all matches and i can win matches with my main acc during playing GTA on a second pc…
So yes, i can understand that there are ppl in this forum love the new matchmaking because it give us pips very fast and without that much effort (on high MMR accounts), but i also can understand all ppl crying about the massacre they face when they join with a low MMR account.
All things are from experience playing amber-sap division with different accounts, if it is getting better in high tier sap and above i don`t know it."
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Hi i usually avoid forums but i want to talk about what i experienced in this season. I managed to have a look at it from 2 totally different perspectives. I have 2 accounts i play PvP with. My main acc has a high MMR (several 1000 played ranked games, high winrate). My second acc made it to ruby t4 last season after i managed to get prim champ on main acc. My sec acc is rank 80 and had a good winrate in season1, so a good (but still not totally high) MMR (from what i experienced). But it has very low number of ranked games, under 150 (i leveled this acc in unranked, because we had no ranked this time). With MMR changing from rank to number of played ranked games, the MMR of this acc dropped remarkable as i experience now in season 2.
So what happened the last days? I only talk about solo queuing:
I sure started with my main acc into season 2, experienced insane wins after wins. Getting good teammates and get matched vs very, and i mean VERY low skilled teams. So free wins, even with some disconnect issues my team could have won the games 4vs5. Most (not all) games won with less then 100 points on enemyteam. So what feeling do i have with that acc? I think, why does anet waste my time with present me freewins up to sap-div (i switched to sec acc at this point) instead of let me start in higher division right from the start? Sure it is nice to get pips that easy, but it is also no fun and it is incredible boring. Also i cannot see the skill in that…
As i mentioned i switched to my sec acc, really uninformed at this point about new MMR and matchmaking. So i thought lets get this acc out of low divison too, as long as this is working so well for me.
Now with this acc i got matched with ppl seems to play their first pvp matches life and got matched against teams with much higher skill lvl then my four teammates. The difference in teamskill was so high, not even god could carry this to a victory. With this acc i face like 4-6 looses (incl ppl going afk early because of frustration every second match) and then get one win with 2 pips. Will get me out of amber but i sure will not try any further. It is like a totally different world my sec acc live in… The whole winratio/ MMR of this acc drop drastically with every hour i play this acc.
My thought with this acc: Why is anet wasting my time and my MMR to feed me to high MMR teams to give them freewins and carry them into heaven? And how can i higher my MMR on this acc? Ok i need to play more ranked games to higher the number (what is part of MMR now) but if i loose like 60-70% of the games like 50-500 because of the new league matchmaking, then my MMR will drop in the same time. I feel like just delete this acc, it is doomed anyway… and between the seasons there is no ranked where i could grind some MMR for the next season…
Sure it is only sec acc, i can wait with it until things settled down. But what is with other ppl having only one acc, with low MMR, how can they improve without being barred from league for the first days? They cannot improve when they just get destroyed by much better teams. Also will things really settle down with the time? If the new matchmaking always match lower MMR teams vs higher MMR teams to give them easy wins? Maybe the skill-difference between the teams will be lower when things settle down but the system seems to punish lower MMR through all divisions because it seems to be inherent in the system now. And it feels like high skill don`t help (at least as long as the MMR-difference between the teams is that insane high).
I`m not an expert in MMR and matchmaking, i usually just play PvP without think about this, because i never had a problem with any acc to build up a good MMR over the time. So if i got something wrong i`m happy about every explanation and also tips how i can get my sec acc out of his way down. Please don`t come with arguments like “get better”, i face matchups with this acc sure unwinable no matter what i do in like 70% of all matches and i can win matches with my main acc during playing GTA on a second pc…
So yes, i can understand that there are ppl in this forum love the new matchmaking because it give us pips very fast and without that much effort (on high MMR accounts), but i also can understand all ppl crying about the massacre they face when they join with a low MMR account.
All things are from experience playing amber-sap division with different accounts, if it is getting better in high tier sap and above i don`t know it.
Energy dont make any build op (like fire/air did by making a whole thief build viable for a long time) and it is also not the reason that bunkers are tanky. I dont even need to dodge with a Druide or celest Ele that much lol. There is nothing op about it, not even Engis or Eles are near to permaevading with it, thats just wrong (i dont play one of these classes as mainclass, so this isnt the reason for my opinion). A thief can evade much more wihtout even using energy (this is not about pls nerf thief, it is just an example). And even WHEN 2 classes because of their class mechanics could nearly perma-evade (what isnt the case) it is still no reason to nerf it that way. Or do you want to delete every amulet with def stats just because ranger get way to much reward out of it because the pet still can burst you?
I feel like ppl like energy to get nerfed so they can easier decide to take a passive proc sigil you dont need to think about a little bit, nothing you can actively work with in a tactical way.
If anet want a balance in the way to more skillbased gameplay, then energy isnt by far the first thing to nerf. Passive proc sigils and passive traits are the first things and then rework (not just delete) semibunker and bunker amulets with way to much dmg for the passive defense they give (power but even more condidmg amulets).
I dont mind, i just play an AA-spamming scepter condireaper with one of the new condiamulets, facetanking everything successful what i cannot dodge ty to still too much def stats and be happy that not even the old energy sigil in both weapon sets could save you from me! Will be fun for 3 days or so…
Why touching sigil of energy? Cant see any balance issue here. Thieves can nearly perma-evade without it and on other classes it dont do much. It is also the least problem from all bunkerbuilds. It is one of the very few sigils you need at least a bit of brain not to waste it by wrong timed weaponswap or dodgewaste. With the 50% endurance you could work tactically with vigor you cant that well and it only stack in duration with other sources of vigor… And for it no changes to all the passive proc sigils. I dont get it.
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