Guild Wars 2

WoW was the icing on the cake that killed DAOC period. During that time not even a big name like Everquest 2 could stop WoW. Thats how I remember it.

Pants.8315:

None, but not because I’m disillusioned about the new patch.

All my friends who I play games with regularly already own the game, and those that have left, left because after getting exotics and the skins they wanted, fairly easily and on more than one character, they went back to LoL.

Me and the few people I still play with generally don’t mind the patch as it really won’t have any major influence over how we play the game anyway.

If I did have a friend looking for something new to play on the other hand I would recommend the game whole heartily. Why would I deny somebody a really great experience because of a couple of items of gear at end game designed to please people who have done everything else.

I have no problem with the Ascended gear, because like everything else in the game, if I have no interest in it, I won’t do it, it doesn’t take away any kind of enjoyment. For example I don’t run around Orr farming every day because I find it dull, I may not have as much karma or gold as some people, but it’s entirely my choice. Which is what it all boils down to in the end.

Wish the rest of the people on here had that same mindset. " If i have no interest in it, I wont do it" well said.

Kathmandu.2417:

The same here: wanted to invite two friends but read about the treadmill beginning and didn’t. They do not have more time for grind as I have, so why bother?

Still sounds like revenge to me.. The grind comes nowhere near other MMO’s that most people play right now. Most of the people that say they played wow etc never even played wow long enough and I can tell by reading their posts. Real wow players know that the grind comes from loot being random and competition on rolls and daily and weekly caps. Nobody has ever mentioned that GW2’s system doesn’t work like that. So how can the grind be anything close to that?

Wow, this is terrible, you get free content and have already got your 60$ worth of the game and it sounds like you purposely are after some type of revenge because they added a new function for gear? When it comes to whining this has got to be the worst Ive ever seen and its quite embarrassing. Still amazed with all this OMG “we trusted you” lol.. I can understand if your in a bad relationship with a signifcant other saying that but to be acting like that towards a game is a little overboard. You guys don’t want to invite anyone because you know theyll like it since there was probably a good reason why they left or never bought the game.

I’m excited, can’t wait to get started.

cgnius.8539:

I very much fulfill the OP’s description of a casual player, plus I’ve been careful not to rush through lvling my main, so that I can enjoy the game rather than feeling as though getting to 80 was a chore and then moaning about lack of progression (as some were doing before the announcement of ascended items being introduced)

I do worry that it might be a while before I can easily get into a dungeon group, but that’s a small price to pay at the moment.

Just take your time and enjoy the game, work your way up at your own pace not everyone elses. You have no competition in anything, you dont roll against anyone else and your progression is not capped weekly like in WoW, the time you put in is never a waste.

Yenkin.5410:

I consider myself a casual player and I play approx. 5- 15 hour per week. My goal in the game is to have fun, I enjoy questing and crafting, and compelled to level slowly enjoying the aspects of the low level games. I do not rush to the max level because I know once there I really will not be doing dungeons and raid events because my time committment is limited and once you hit max level it becomes a game tha in most MMO, start to gear gate content.

While I do not disagree that content needs to raise the bar for the those at max level, but we need to recongize that Casual gamers like to get there sometime. Each time an expansion hits, it often hits the casual gamers the hardest as they fall further behind.

I think that the casual gamer is the silient minority in games, its those hard core that drive new content and wanting the first 79 levels easier so they can get another alt up through the game so they can get to that end game content without much issue. Which then dumbs down the game for he rest of us.

No easy answer here, its ashame that a week after this game is out people are running around at max level complaining there is no content for them. Some of us have a life outside games and like a nice progression without hardcore players ruining the game for the rest of us.

I am also casual, they need to raise the bar though and I doubt will be left behind before an expansion comes out because the system doesnt work the way games like WoW do. WoW for example is time consuming and feels like a constant grind because of the way the system works. Its not about the gear its the way you have to get the gear.

WoW Example

1. Gear is achieved through a random drop through different areas or dungeons of the game and even though it does drop theres a chance that you will have to roll against somebody else. Meaning you have to do it over and over again until you get it.

2. Wow puts caps on players.. Im not sure if its still like that but you can only do so much to achieve something and if not lucky you have to wait 1 week for it to reset. This is the real reason why achieving things may have felt frustrating for some.

In this game, When you want to progress you will progress the moment you start because you pretty much know when your going to get something and there is no competition or a weekly cap so none of the time you spent is worthless so its pretty easy to play catch up.

Geniekid.2645:

A casual player isn’t someone who logs in for fun every now and then and expects to be able to jump into end game content with their hardcore friends. He doesn’t want to be catered to (pitied) like that.

A casual player is a just hardcore player who doesn’t have as much time. He wants what the hardcore player wants – to be a worthwhile. He wants to be a valuable addition to any party whether it’s a dungeon, regular PvE, or in WvW. He understands that it will take him longer, but he’ll get there eventually and be on par with the hardcore player in terms of value to others. He doesn’t mind if you occasionally raise the level of “best gear” that let’s the hardcore player increase the gap between them.

But you have to be careful ANet. If you move the gear treadmill too quickly he’s going to see that either 1) he will never be able to reach parity with the hardcore player at any point in time or 2) every time he does, you raise the standard of gear and he has to grind it out all over again.

ANet, two things make me think you’re going to handle this better than the designers behind other games who’ve faced similar problems. First, you’ve said you’re going to upgrade Legendaries to stay “best-in-slot” which is good for the casual player because he can rest assured knowing all the farming he’s doing right now isn’t going to be overshadowed by the next patch. Second, you’ve already done a great job making sure your “best-in-slot” items are somewhat on par with your much more accessible second-in-class items, which shows the casual player he can still be a valuable addition to any party even while he’s trying to get the best gear.

I urge you to be careful about how you’re making the game accessible to “casual” players. We don’t want handouts or artificial mechanics that make others include us. We want the time we’ve spent to mean something, just like a hardcore player does. Give the hardcore players the gold medals because they’ve spent more time and they deserve it. Just make sure our silver medals still mean something.

Finally a post that makes sense. In an MMO this is how it is and how its always been for me. I’m not hardcore, I consider myself a casual player but I want to still achieve things in the game even though it may take me a little longer it doesn’t matter its an MMO, its not suppose to feel like theres an end.
These guys definition of casual is like playing a totally different genre. They want to jump in the game for 20 min a day or whatever it might be, thats not an MMO and I feel like they should be playing call of duty or something. Those short gameplay times can work if you pvp in this game but if your strictly playing an MMO for pve then this might not work. I think too many people are thinking of gw1 but to be honest gw1 never felt like an MMO imo. Right after installation of this game its pretty clear that gw1 and gw2 feel nothing alike. This feels more like other MMO’s then it does GW1 from the first time you log in.
Bottom line is Casual has a different meaning in MMO’s and the OP has it right imo.

SiNoS.2147:

camoflaugz.5031:

SiNoS.2147:

camoflaugz.5031:

SiNoS.2147:

camoflaugz.5031:

Anet really though don’t cave in to this whole anti gear thing. These people want to be so different to a point that it will hold you guys back. You don’t want to have a slogan like this..

(GUILDWARS 2 THE MMO THAT HATES GEAR AND PROGRESSION WE MAKE SURE YOUR CHARACTERS ARE STUCK AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD TO GEAR THE WAY MILLIONS OF MMO PLAYERS WANT IT. BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT. TRY OUR REVOLUTIONARY MMO TODAY FOR 30 DAYS)

LOL You can’t possibly think that sounds right.. this is what some of the people are asking you to do. Its totally backwards

You clearly dident do any research on this game as the BIGGEST selling point was the fact there was no gear grind. Most people do not infact enjoy gear grind. Thats obvious by the overwhelming outcry about this.

Also you can infact have a very successful and fun game without gear grind. It was called GW1. The game that this ones designed around.

Actually, it wasn’t the biggest selling point for me. The selling point for me was no class roles. No its not obvious that people don’t want the new patch. why dont you come meet me on my server and say that… People are pumped up for it. Jade Quarry come meet me anytime.

Ok ill rephrase that. ONE of the BIGGEST selling points was no gear grind. Most people dont realize just what this update actually is. And infact i’ve personally seen and talked to way more people upset over this than that are happy. Most when i point out what the gear actually is tend to get upset over it.

Most people are not upset about the fact were getting a new mechanic. Most are upset that they are going back on there word and increasing the stats.

Ok that sounds better, however honestly when I talk to people in orr on my server they are pretty excited. You gonna meet me to see because I’m not making this up.. There are some hardcores on my server that probably havent slept:) And no they are not bots they actually talk:)

Honestly jade is know as being hardcore central. Very few servers agree with them. Most servers dont have the same mind set.

Now that being said ofcourse those people would be excited by it. No offence but the locust you hear us talking about. That would be them. And they are truly a small group in the total population. Granted a very loud group. As such they tend to screw up the numbers people get because in general they are not looking at the total of people setting at that point but instead are looking at the fact people are at that point. Thats obvious when they stated that the very most dedicated have smashed threw there content already. They dident say most have got threw it.

So I take it your not coming to Jade Quarry? I can’t speak for other servers all I know is that on mine either people dont mind the new patch or their excited, some disagree but it doesn’t seem to outweigh the rest. It doesn’t matter this little change should not be breaking the game at all. I doubt its gonna be hardcore like wow.

SiNoS.2147:

camoflaugz.5031:

SiNoS.2147:

camoflaugz.5031:

Anet really though don’t cave in to this whole anti gear thing. These people want to be so different to a point that it will hold you guys back. You don’t want to have a slogan like this..

(GUILDWARS 2 THE MMO THAT HATES GEAR AND PROGRESSION WE MAKE SURE YOUR CHARACTERS ARE STUCK AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD TO GEAR THE WAY MILLIONS OF MMO PLAYERS WANT IT. BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT. TRY OUR REVOLUTIONARY MMO TODAY FOR 30 DAYS)

LOL You can’t possibly think that sounds right.. this is what some of the people are asking you to do. Its totally backwards

You clearly dident do any research on this game as the BIGGEST selling point was the fact there was no gear grind. Most people do not infact enjoy gear grind. Thats obvious by the overwhelming outcry about this.

Also you can infact have a very successful and fun game without gear grind. It was called GW1. The game that this ones designed around.

Actually, it wasn’t the biggest selling point for me. The selling point for me was no class roles. No its not obvious that people don’t want the new patch. why dont you come meet me on my server and say that… People are pumped up for it. Jade Quarry come meet me anytime.

Ok ill rephrase that. ONE of the BIGGEST selling points was no gear grind. Most people dont realize just what this update actually is. And infact i’ve personally seen and talked to way more people upset over this than that are happy. Most when i point out what the gear actually is tend to get upset over it.

Most people are not upset about the fact were getting a new mechanic. Most are upset that they are going back on there word and increasing the stats.

Ok that sounds better, however honestly when I talk to people in orr on my server they are pretty excited. You gonna meet me to see because I’m not making this up.. There are some hardcores on my server that probably havent slept:) And no they are not bots they actually talk:)

SiNoS.2147:

camoflaugz.5031:

Anet really though don’t cave in to this whole anti gear thing. These people want to be so different to a point that it will hold you guys back. You don’t want to have a slogan like this..

(GUILDWARS 2 THE MMO THAT HATES GEAR AND PROGRESSION WE MAKE SURE YOUR CHARACTERS ARE STUCK AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD TO GEAR THE WAY MILLIONS OF MMO PLAYERS WANT IT. BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT. TRY OUR REVOLUTIONARY MMO TODAY FOR 30 DAYS)

LOL You can’t possibly think that sounds right.. this is what some of the people are asking you to do. Its totally backwards

You clearly dident do any research on this game as the BIGGEST selling point was the fact there was no gear grind. Most people do not infact enjoy gear grind. Thats obvious by the overwhelming outcry about this.

Also you can infact have a very successful and fun game without gear grind. It was called GW1. The game that this ones designed around.

Actually, it wasn’t the biggest selling point for me. The selling point for me was no class roles. No its not obvious that people don’t want the new patch. why dont you come meet me on my server and say that… People are pumped up for it. Jade Quarry come meet me anytime.

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Vlaxitov.5693:

camoflaugz.5031:

Vlaxitov.5693:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ryan.6951:

OP is vocal minority.

Stick to what you said for years in blog posts, AMAs, manifesto videos, interviews, at the gamescoms.

Gear grind is lazy bad game design and it ruins fun.

Gear is never the problem. Infact most MMO players love gear. Its how you get it is what makes or breaks the game. If you have to get new gear but you need to get it in a dungeon thats really fun, then its a win situation. If you have to get new gear killing a million monsters in a repetitive way then its a lose situation..

I would say adding steps of vertical progression this early in the game is a little discerning. You’re trying to sell that the vertical progression is good for a game and I’m skeptical of that.

I raided all the way to nax 40 as MT as well as getting field marshal in PvP (would have had to quit my job for grand marshal) only to have my efforts negated by revisions made to that game come the first expansion. Then they did it to me again with the second expansion. I never even went back to try the third expansion because it all felt like a waste of my gaming time by then.

I’m old so you might not remember this but Funcom almost got it right with Anarchy Online during their shadowlands expansion that you gained shadow levels and your gearset was actually expanded rather than revised. It was still vertical progression as your character did get better, but it didn’t nullify most of the gear you had already aquired.

Im pretty oldschool myself. I did play anarchy online:). Im just not concerned at all, I mean its just getting a few pieces of gear. I think they already said that its not going to be like that every 3 months or whatever it may be so I don’t see this as a problem. I’m sure they knew that this would cause an uproar but I believe Anet is smart. Maybe the new dungeon is really that good..

Right, then you know we would still do things in AO like hit up that lower level temple for the chips to put in your NCU belt. You would still do that biodome raid for the faction class armor because despite expanions, that armor was still BIS. I am concerned because I’ve yet to see a game handle their gear progression as well as AO which is sad.

I don’t really know how this will play out. We will all find out when the patch comes out. I trust Anet though with their decisions and I do believe they care about the players so I think they will have this done in a way that is satisfying for everyone. I just don’t believe in any MMO that is anti gear.
The forums make this game sound like the games slogan should be " Guild Wars 2 the MMO that hates gear and progression we make sure your character stays stuck. Play today! that is a terrible marketing strategy that will sink the game:(

warmonkey.8013:

camoflaugz.5031:

Infact most MMO players love gear.

Except of course for the huge number of people who bought this game because we would never have to chase gear, because there is no other MMO that offers that.

There isn’t.

Unless I go back to DAOC, which I can’t — game’s too old, and I can’t get myself through setting up my UI for a solid hour or two before I play.

I like how you think your experience with, what, one MMO? Maybe one MMO and several of its clones? I like how you think that’s how ALL MMOS MUST WORK! and that there is no other option.

But hey enjoy your gear treadmill. Must be nice, if that’s all you want and all you think is possible from the genre.

Go play Progress Quest.

One MMO? ive been around for awhile and probably much older than you too.

Vlaxitov.5693:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ryan.6951:

OP is vocal minority.

Stick to what you said for years in blog posts, AMAs, manifesto videos, interviews, at the gamescoms.

Gear grind is lazy bad game design and it ruins fun.

Gear is never the problem. Infact most MMO players love gear. Its how you get it is what makes or breaks the game. If you have to get new gear but you need to get it in a dungeon thats really fun, then its a win situation. If you have to get new gear killing a million monsters in a repetitive way then its a lose situation..

I would say adding steps of vertical progression this early in the game is a little discerning. You’re trying to sell that the vertical progression is good for a game and I’m skeptical of that.

I raided all the way to nax 40 as MT as well as getting field marshal in PvP (would have had to quit my job for grand marshal) only to have my efforts negated by revisions made to that game come the first expansion. Then they did it to me again with the second expansion. I never even went back to try the third expansion because it all felt like a waste of my gaming time by then.

I’m old so you might not remember this but Funcom almost got it right with Anarchy Online during their shadowlands expansion that you gained shadow levels and your gearset was actually expanded rather than revised. It was still vertical progression as your character did get better, but it didn’t nullify most of the gear you had already aquired.

Im pretty oldschool myself. I did play anarchy online:). Im just not concerned at all, I mean its just getting a few pieces of gear. I think they already said that its not going to be like that every 3 months or whatever it may be so I don’t see this as a problem. I’m sure they knew that this would cause an uproar but I believe Anet is smart. Maybe the new dungeon is really that good..

Sylosi.6503:

camoflaugz.5031:

Gear is never the problem. Infact most MMO players love gear. Its how you get it is what makes or breaks the game. If you have to get new gear but you need to get it in a dungeon thats really fun, then its a win situation. If you have to get new gear killing a million monsters in a repetitive way then its a lose situation..

Gear is always a problem, in anything except PvE, it would be a problem in WvW.

As for repetition, yes killing monsters is repetitve, as is farming a dungeon for the zillionth time.

So whats fun for you? This is what MMO’s do…It sounds like you want progression to be taken out of the game which no longer is an mmo but more like a single player rpg.. There are plenty of games out there. I could understand guildwars 1 being like that but were nearly in 2013 now.

Edge.4180:

camoflaugz.5031:

Yep keep it coming. Real MMO players play MMO’s for character progression and for the social aspect, that doesn’t mean your hardcore that means your playing the genre for what it is. Dont hold back because some of these people want a single player game MMO’s dont handicap players, it keeps going and going. As long as you implement progression in a fun way of doing things there should never be a problem.

I believe the thinking here is that if you want the type of MMO you’re describing, there are already a host of MMOs available like that for you to select from. If you wanted something different, you could play GW2. There is no need to turn GW2 into those games.

For GW2 to make itself like every other MMO would be suicidal. GW2 can not compete directly with WoW if it chooses to make itself like WoW.. WoW has over a dozen years of development time behind it now. To foolishly go that route, GW2 would just become “a WoW-like MMO, but with less features.” It can, however, successfully offer itself as an alternative to WoW by remaining different than the standard MMO.

Not trying to make it different in anyway.. This is an MMO, its part of the genre and its a basic function that MMO’s do. Im not even thinking of wow or any other game.. Im thinking MMO thats it.. It already has its unique functions such as no set roles. That alone already sets it apart from others but trying to eliminate basic MMO functions is fail.

Ryan.6951:

OP is vocal minority.

Stick to what you said for years in blog posts, AMAs, manifesto videos, interviews, at the gamescoms.

Gear grind is lazy bad game design and it ruins fun.

Gear is never the problem. Infact most MMO players love gear. Its how you get it is what makes or breaks the game. If you have to get new gear but you need to get it in a dungeon thats really fun, then its a win situation. If you have to get new gear killing a million monsters in a repetitive way then its a lose situation..

Yep keep it coming. Real MMO players play MMO’s for character progression and for the social aspect, that doesn’t mean your hardcore that means your playing the genre for what it is. Dont hold back because some of these people want a single player game MMO’s dont handicap players, it keeps going and going. As long as you implement progression in a fun way of doing things there should never be a problem.

niclas.7693:

Please tell me what do you think about the end game pve, guys? Does it really satisfy you to grind Plinx and other dynamic events all the time? Is running dungeons for the same gear, what you can buy or craft, is the answer? Oh yeah you can do it for the looks, but come on…

As I read the news about the patch, I became really excited, because a minor gear progression will be available – an incentive to do dungeons. The end game will become interesting, as you have to beat mobs, bosses, the whole dungeon to get better gear, therefore making progression and create a stronger character, which, in my opinion, is what end game should be about. An MMO is about making your character better and better to beat the upcoming content. As things stand currently, you reach lvl 80 and you can get a full exotic (end game) gear in no time. This made a lot of players to quit, because they can’t do anything else, there is no GOAL in the game anymore. That’s where the problem lies, and now Anet is heading into the right direction, in my opinion, with introducing this method. ( I don’t want to come up with WoW, but if it isn’t for their end game raids and gear progression, the game would be pretty much dead now.)

This is why I can’t understand the rage about it. Do you really want to continue farming events for gold, and get a different looking armor, or go into a dungeon with your mates and fight for a better gear and feel good about it? Furthermore, they are introducing this whole system in pieces, which is really a sensible thing to do now. You get the back item and the rings now, and in later major updates we will be able to get more. Most importantly, it will be worthwhile to do dungeons and a lot of players will have an incentive to log in again and play with the game.

Finally, I’m sad that the community is flaming about it like no tomorrow. You don’t know yet, what will it be, but you immediately start writing whine posts and saying things like this is the end of gw2… :/ Just be patient, and you will realize that, in fact, it’s a good thing.

Just my two cents, and /heavy flamesuit on :P

Its no use trying to ask on the forums….Gear = destroyed game in an MMO for some of these people lol. At this point they can add anything to the game and they will QQ over it.. They buy keys on halloween which clearly says theres a chance on particular items and when they dont get it they QQ lol. Theyll never be happy even though they have already got their 60 dollars worth already.
You know what I bought the game and I was under the impression there wasn’t a grind but guess what… There is a HUGE grind in this game especially in Orr its no joke out there haha.. To me I feel like i was a little mislead but who cares its not even a big deal! unbelievable how a little gear change creates such an outrage for these people.

Dinks.2478:

camoflaugz.5031:

Fungalfoot.7213:

camoflaugz.5031:

Lots of people were complaining before that there wasn’t much end game and they left. Im on jade quarry which is usually a full server but I dont know how accurate that is. I sometimes play with an alt and its pretty painful not seeing anybody in the lower level zones. Its not even about Wow, people keep saying wow this wow that.. Its just the MMO genre itself, there is already a standard in what people expect in MMO’s and the truth is at this point the game feels handicapped in a way that you cant go any further in it. Handicapping in an MMO is pretty fail in todays standards imo. You can get away with that in a single player rgp but not an MMO. This is 2012 now MMO’s should be getting bigger and bigger. Handicapping players is not the solution. jmo

That’s funny. I can’t seem to recall any thread complaining about the lack of stat progression reaching over six thousand posts. Could it be confirmation bias?

As for handicapping players, isn’t that exactly what you’re doing by shoehorning new tiers into the game making casual players incapable of competing? Yes, I believe it is. Instead of hiding behind superior statistics try to hone your skills.

There hasn’t been any thread to my knowledge asking for new stats. There were lots about not having anything to do for endgame though. I honestly don’t mind having to get new gear as long as its not super hard to get.

I dont think its handicapping players by shoehorning new tiers. See this is what I’m trying to say, this is an MMO. people play mmo’s and worry about their own character not everybody elses. If you put in the time to get were your at then you deserve it. I for one am probably never going to be able to get a nice legendary but you know what, the people that have it deserve it no matter if they cheated coverting gems to gold or whatever, its their business not mine, im not controlling their character. If somebody has a new tier or whatever Im not gonna be mad because were not equal in power, Id say good job man you worked and put in the time for that. you deserve it.

Legendarys have the same stats. There are videos of anet saying this is how it is. If they go back on that. I don’t know what else to say about this company. I was a loyal fan. I played GW1 for over 7 years. I expect some level of respect and honesty from them. But they just keep lying to cover up other lies and according to this thread, I’m not the only one fed up with it.

sorry you feel that way. Im sure they have a good reason for doing this. I personally don’t think its gonna be bad, infact I think it will be fun. To be honest I keep hearing about this game isn’t suppose to have a grind etc. but the whole thing has been a grind for me already. 40ish k karma to get loot from orr takes work. Atleast with this new patch I can play and have a real reason as to why I got new armor other than just looks.

Fungalfoot.7213:

camoflaugz.5031:

Lots of people were complaining before that there wasn’t much end game and they left. Im on jade quarry which is usually a full server but I dont know how accurate that is. I sometimes play with an alt and its pretty painful not seeing anybody in the lower level zones. Its not even about Wow, people keep saying wow this wow that.. Its just the MMO genre itself, there is already a standard in what people expect in MMO’s and the truth is at this point the game feels handicapped in a way that you cant go any further in it. Handicapping in an MMO is pretty fail in todays standards imo. You can get away with that in a single player rgp but not an MMO. This is 2012 now MMO’s should be getting bigger and bigger. Handicapping players is not the solution. jmo

That’s funny. I can’t seem to recall any thread complaining about the lack of stat progression reaching over six thousand posts. Could it be confirmation bias?

As for handicapping players, isn’t that exactly what you’re doing by shoehorning new tiers into the game making casual players incapable of competing? Yes, I believe it is. Instead of hiding behind superior statistics try to hone your skills.

There hasn’t been any thread to my knowledge asking for new stats. There were lots about not having anything to do for endgame though. I honestly don’t mind having to get new gear as long as its not super hard to get.

I dont think its handicapping players by shoehorning new tiers. See this is what I’m trying to say, this is an MMO. people play mmo’s and worry about their own character not everybody elses. If you put in the time to get were your at then you deserve it. I for one am probably never going to be able to get a nice legendary but you know what, the people that have it deserve it no matter if they cheated coverting gems to gold or whatever, its their business not mine, im not controlling their character. If somebody has a new tier or whatever Im not gonna be mad because were not equal in power, Id say good job man you worked and put in the time for that. you deserve it.

Fungalfoot.7213:

camoflaugz.5031:

Because those players left the game… you don’t notice the difference between launch date and now?

No, Tarnished Coast is constantly full. I’ve had a friend trying to get in for weeks with no luck.

Is this where we’re supposed to pretend that the game was dying because it didn’t have WoW progression?

Lots of people were complaining before that there wasn’t much end game and they left. Im on jade quarry which is usually a full server but I dont know how accurate that is. I sometimes play with an alt and its pretty painful not seeing anybody in the lower level zones. Its not even about Wow, people keep saying wow this wow that.. Its just the MMO genre itself, there is already a standard in what people expect in MMO’s and the truth is at this point the game feels handicapped in a way that you cant go any further in it. Handicapping in an MMO is pretty fail in todays standards imo. You can get away with that in a single player rgp but not an MMO. This is 2012 now MMO’s should be getting bigger and bigger. Handicapping players is not the solution. jmo

Malevil.2104:

Fayte.1803:

No one person speaks for everyone. When this topic hits 1000 pages then you can say a good chunk of players are against this.

I havent seen single thread with amount of pages coming close to this where ppl were asking for gear progression and yet they claim they did it becouse ppl were asking for it.

Because those players left the game… you don’t notice the difference between launch date and now?

Halandir.3609:

camoflaugz.5031:

This whole QQ thing is the most funniest thing Ive seen in any MMO to date and Ive played or atleast tried them all. I can’t believe how people are crying about getting new gear.
Never have I witnessed people so scared of other people wanting to progress and having different gear. Its almost like.. OMG he grinded so hard for a legendary hes an elitist! the game is broken now! c’mon people Man up, this is an MMO.

Well you should have stayed with them and left this single one for the rest of us. Oh right – Thats not the way gamehoppers work.

Loved the “Man up” remark though – I guess MMO’s are about 90% “manly” :-)

I don’t just stick to one game, and by the way I bought GW1 on the very first day it came out and I have to say GW2 feels nothing like it. I play whatever seems good. Theres nothing wrong with playing different games, this isn’t a cult or a gang. It’s not about being manly it was a figure of speech, its only about gear and people are going nutz over it.. every rpg involves gear in one form or the other. Not to mention if I am correct here the new patch will be for both casual and hardcore players so I don’t see the problem unless my information is wrong.

SonicTHI.3217:

ShadowBorn.6984:

This is mental, all of it. All the commotion created from this UPDATE is just silly. When they make an update obviously they don’t want to lose people. So in their minds they are trying to make things BETTER for us…otherwise, why bother.

So either you(hypothetical you) play the game however you like and for whatever reasons you like, or you simply just stop.

I’m not a so called “fanboy” ANet makes mistakes, and some stuff is just not what I want it to be, but let’s just focus on whichever aspects of the GAME we like.

How is this better? How is lying to your playerbase better? How is loosing your credibility kittening better?
How the kitten is this a mistake? A mistake that all the leads at ANET suddenly made?

This is a kittenstorm of epic proportions and it will not end until we get a definitive answer from ANET.

camoflaugz.5031:

The game has no future if you don’t have something to look forward to and the progression stops.. C’mon how do you not see it? Guildwars 1 and WOW came out around the same time. Where is guildwars 1 today and why does the other game have millions of people 8 years later.. How do you explain that? Anet is doing the right thing here. And by the way I bought the game because it didnt have set roles.. I hate the whole tank, healer, dps thing. Thats what made me buy GW2

GW1 is now GW2 because of this. Because we stuck with ANET and supported them GW2 was made. It was to follow the same principles and be better. Without all of that you d still be playing WoW. Oh snap!

But no. Now we are here with the masses of ex-wow players whining they want progression so they can feel progression to progress for the sake of progression.
With power creep you are not progressing anywhere. You stay in the wheel right in the same spot you were.

GW1 and GW2 feel nothing alike.. atleast to me.

Greep.6394:

Guys this is all very simple. They figure if they add a gear treadill they’ll piss off 80% of the population to retain the 20% that are going to leave if they don’t add it, and they figure only a small a very small percentage of the 80% will actually get pissed off enough to leave, so they make the most money this way . Sad thing is it’ll prolly work, even though people bought the game solely because it had no gear treadmill they’ll probably keep playing. I sure as heck am not, though.

Why would you leave? aren’t you wearing exotics? I know you didn’t get that on accident. Also I thought the new content was designed to be for both casual and hardcore.

Tega.6813:

I’m going to be more OP then most of you, with my 5 extra power!

Be careful you could hurt peoples feelings:) you cant be more powerful!

Fungalfoot.7213:

camoflaugz.5031:

This whole QQ thing is the most funniest thing Ive seen in any MMO to date and Ive played or atleast tried them all. I can’t believe how people are crying about getting new gear.
Never have I witnessed people so scared of other people wanting to progress and having different gear. Its almost like.. OMG he grinded so hard for a legendary hes an elitist! the game is broken now! c’mon people Man up, this is an MMO.

Maybe it’s because Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be different from the norm. Did you ever consider that? I don’t want an MMO. I want Guild Wars 2 and this just isn’t what we were promised. In fact, it goes completely against ArenaNet’s own vision.

We are manning up by fighting for the sake of this game’s future, to prevent it from becoming another withered husk in the shadow of World of Warcraft.

The game has no future if you don’t have something to look forward to and the progression stops.. C’mon how do you not see it? Guildwars 1 and WOW came out around the same time. Where is guildwars 1 today and why does the other game have millions of people 8 years later.. How do you explain that? Anet is doing the right thing here. And by the way I bought the game because it didnt have set roles.. I hate the whole tank, healer, dps thing. Thats what made me buy GW2

Greep.6394:

camoflaugz.5031:

This whole QQ thing is the most funniest thing Ive seen in any MMO to date and Ive played or atleast tried them all. I can’t believe how people are crying about getting new gear.
Never have I witnessed people so scared of other people wanting to progress and having different gear. Its almost like.. OMG he grinded so hard for a legendary hes an elitist! the game is broken now! c’mon people Man up, this is an MMO.

What the heck do skins have to do with gear treadmills? Another troll. kitten is this topic just trolls trolling other trolls now?

Its not about the skins, its about having to get new gear. Im saying it how it is.. People here seem scared that if you don’t want to get the new gear than your somehow behind. Thats the bottom line.. No troll in my posts Im calling it like it is.

Erasmus.1624:

camoflaugz.5031:

Corvindi.5734:

camoflaugz.5031:

While the small group of people are crying on the forums the rest are playing and farming in ORR. Were farming for gear already so this is GREAT NEWS for us. Come see the truth for yourself @ Jade Quarry in ORR.

Yeah, hope you don’t get caught in a bot sweep. I don’t think I want to risk going into Orr right now. But good luck to you, grind on, grind on, oh brave MMO soldier, grind on!

Heh, I don’t personally like doing this but I just logged on to see what is going on and the truth is this is what people are doing. I don’t think they are bots either. My point is these are the players that like progression and there is a whole lot of them busy playing the game and not posting here on the forums.

The people in Orr are:
0. Not liking Risen.
1. Waiting or doing Balthazar for shards.
2. Farming/Harvesting for materials and item drops for money, since you need a stupid amount of it to be considered rich in an economy where gambling and trading post manipulation is encouraged.
2.5 Waiting for DR to wear off.
3. World Completion
4. Doing Trahearne’s Story

Either way their farming for something and obviously they don’t mind doing it. If people want to play the game how it is right now, then they can play the game how it is. Why are so many people so concerned, if you dont want to progress in the game then dont.. let people like me and others move forward. I doubt that any of us are doing this to say were better than other people, we do it because this is whats fun for us and nothing more than that. This patch isn’t taking anything away from players who like their jumping puzzles and want to roam around and stuff, just continue doing it.

jboynton.7894:

camoflaugz.5031:

Corvindi.5734:

camoflaugz.5031:

While the small group of people are crying on the forums the rest are playing and farming in ORR. Were farming for gear already so this is GREAT NEWS for us. Come see the truth for yourself @ Jade Quarry in ORR.

Yeah, hope you don’t get caught in a bot sweep. I don’t think I want to risk going into Orr right now. But good luck to you, grind on, grind on, oh brave MMO soldier, grind on!

Well your server might be different than mine " Jade Quarry" because people are eager for this patch.. There not farming in orr for nothing

Heh, I don’t personally like doing this but I just logged on to see what is going on and the truth is this is what people are doing. I don’t think they are bots either. My point is these are the players that like progression and there is a whole lot of them busy playing the game and not posting here on the forums.

I also just logged on and stirred the pot in LA and in my guild by starting a discussion about ascended gear. The reaction I got was mostly negative. Just because people are playing doesn’t mean they support this decision.

Corvindi.5734:

camoflaugz.5031:

While the small group of people are crying on the forums the rest are playing and farming in ORR. Were farming for gear already so this is GREAT NEWS for us. Come see the truth for yourself @ Jade Quarry in ORR.

Yeah, hope you don’t get caught in a bot sweep. I don’t think I want to risk going into Orr right now. But good luck to you, grind on, grind on, oh brave MMO soldier, grind on!

Heh, I don’t personally like doing this but I just logged on to see what is going on and the truth is this is what people are doing. I don’t think they are bots either. My point is these are the players that like progression and there is a whole lot of them busy playing the game and not posting here on the forums.

While the small group of people are crying on the forums the rest are playing and farming in ORR. Were farming for gear already so this is GREAT NEWS for us. Come see the truth for yourself @ Jade Quarry in ORR.

chuiu.4985:

The people are you pandering too, the ‘hardcore’ players. They are players who came from WoW, SWTOR, what have you. These are players who will leave the game to go play a different MMO regardless of what you add to the game. What you are doing right now is alienating your CORE fanbase. The people who have been waiting for this game for years. The people who want to play an MMO to have fun, not to continuously have to work on improving their gear.

Right now I have two level 80s with two sets of exotics each for 4 sets of armor. Before this patch I had planned on having 2 more 80s pretty soon (50 thief, 40 mesmer), and I had planned on getting another set of exotics for my main character because of another build I want to run for WvW. I have a legendary very close to being done (just waiting on Balthazar to not be bugged). Now I learn I have to completely regear my characters over the course of the game. I have to grind out these new rings and whatever you decide to add in the future. The backpieces alone will be hundreds of hours of grinding. And I learn if I want to have anymore 80’s I have to do the same thing all over on all of them. This is unacceptable.

I’ve logged hundreds of hours into this game and I don’t care about ‘character progression’. I just want to be able to play whatever character I want whenever I want with a full set of gear, just like I did for over half a decade in GW1. I have a Mesmer in GW1 that I’ve logged hundreds of hours on. He is using the same set of armor and weapons I obtained in 2005. I never had to change anything because he was perfect the way he was, I was satisfied with that. The only time I ever changed my other characters was to get the new skins for gear that I liked. I was always pretty happy with how hard or easy it was to get these things.

What you’ve introduced is going in the wrong direction. MMO’s do not need higher levels, more gear progression, and long grinds to keep players interested and having fun. You proved that with Guild Wars 1. You proved that with Guild Wars 2. The reason many more people are leaving this game is not due to the lack of gear progression but due to the massive number of bugs currently within the game.

• WvW culling is out of control. We want to be able to see our enemies and our allies. Not our allies and invisible enemies (or enemies and invisible allies when we die).

• Spvp lacks variety due to imbalanced builds and the lack of map variety. Everyone runs the same builds because all your maps have the same core function: capture points. Bring more map variety. Bring back the priests. Bring back flags (Capricorn would be great for this). Bring back relics. Introduce a MMO version of TF2’s payload. King of the hill. Anything! I assure you build variety won’t be as much of a problem when you start introducing different mechanics than just ‘capture this point’.

• And hundreds of bugs plague skills and traits of all professions. I haven’t been able to run the build I want to on my Necromancer for months because the traits for it don’t work and a couple of my skills don’t do what they clearly say in the tooltip.

These are the reasons players are leaving your game. The gear progression junkies will play gear progression games that already exist. You can’t entice them with 1-2 pieces of stronger gear every couple months.

This is not true at all, Players stay when there is more to do and that is a fact. Where is guildwars 1 today and where is the other game at? The truth is the other game has been strong forever and they were both released close to the same time. What you want is to make this game for only guildwars 1 players, maybe Anet wants it to be more than that.

Nar.8327:

camoflaugz.5031:

krookie.6378:

camoflaugz.5031:

No I’m not trolling, but I shouldn’t say nothing is fun, that was wrong, I take that back. I would say at end game I need something to keep me going. This is an MMO, thats what MMO players look for at the end. If i didn’t want to do that I would just play a single player console game or something. As of now I don’t really log on that much because I’m waiting for the patch.

Speak for yourself. This is not what MMO players look for at the end. This is what you and those trained by WoW’s Skinner box look for at the end. Those of us who played UO and GW1 do not look for a gear grind at the end.

I played all MMO’s some for short time some for long. In the end the MMO that has more to do lasts and this has been proven by Millions of MMO players already. So I would say yes MMO players do look for this at the end. Whats the point of playing an MMO that has no progression? Its suppose to be built to last

No one’s complaining about having more to do. We’re complaining about being promised that this MMO would do it differently, where no one with more free time would have a statistical advantage over anyone else.

Maybe this is just targeted for the hardcore players? It seems to me that we have two different kinds of players. For the hardcore players which I seem to fall in that category now even though I don’t think I’m hardcore, we want to do things like that were your rewarded for your time. Im not really thinking of advantages over anybody Im only thinking of playing the game the way I enjoy it which is playing with a goal in mind.

The other group of players seem to just want to log in and do anything like jumping puzzles etc.. They can still do all those things.. but people like me and others that don’t post on here want something more than that. I play on Jade Quarry, when I log in theres tons of people in orr. There not there just to do it, there farming karma. The mass people in that area that are there on my server kinda show what they want.

krookie.6378:

camoflaugz.5031:

No I’m not trolling, but I shouldn’t say nothing is fun, that was wrong, I take that back. I would say at end game I need something to keep me going. This is an MMO, thats what MMO players look for at the end. If i didn’t want to do that I would just play a single player console game or something. As of now I don’t really log on that much because I’m waiting for the patch.

Speak for yourself. This is not what MMO players look for at the end. This is what you and those trained by WoW’s Skinner box look for at the end. Those of us who played UO and GW1 do not look for a gear grind at the end.

I played all MMO’s some for short time some for long. In the end the MMO that has more to do lasts and this has been proven by Millions of MMO players already. So I would say yes MMO players do look for this at the end. Whats the point of playing an MMO that has no progression? Its suppose to be built to last

Snerf.1650:

camoflaugz.5031:

Snerf.1650:

Loosifah.4739:

If the only thing you get from new sets and new gear in new content updates is a new look, what the hell is the point in doing the new content other than “Oh wow I have all these pretty USELESS sets”?

Because we enjoy doing the content for the sake of fun!

You don’t need to chase the carrot to enjoy yourself. Doing fun things is fun.

Why should there be more to it than that? This is what Anet has said to believe, and it’s what many of us do as well.

Actually, nothing is fun for me, without a reason for doing something. And Millions of MMO players have proved this to be true already. Anet stick to whats proven numbers don’t lie.

Are you serious? Nothing is fun without being rewarded?

If you aren’t trolling, this is the most depressing thing I’ve read today.

Try just enjoying things! You are playing a game, not working in the coal mine.

No I’m not trolling, but I shouldn’t say nothing is fun, that was wrong, I take that back. I would say at end game I need something to keep me going. This is an MMO, thats what MMO players look for at the end. If i didn’t want to do that I would just play a single player console game or something. As of now I don’t really log on that much because I’m waiting for the patch.

Snerf.1650:

Loosifah.4739:

If the only thing you get from new sets and new gear in new content updates is a new look, what the hell is the point in doing the new content other than “Oh wow I have all these pretty USELESS sets”?

Because we enjoy doing the content for the sake of fun!

You don’t need to chase the carrot to enjoy yourself. Doing fun things is fun.

Why should there be more to it than that? This is what Anet has said to believe, and it’s what many of us do as well.

Actually, nothing is fun for me, without a reason for doing something. And Millions of MMO players have proved this to be true already. Anet stick to whats proven numbers don’t lie.

Feycat.4370:

camoflaugz.5031:

So peoples issue is a gear treadmill? This is the best decision ever, finally have something to look forward to. I don’t get why people are playing an MMO if they dont like progression. Progression is proven and its what makes an MMO a success, sounds like what some of you are looking for is easy access to everything, that doesn’t work in the long run, thats a game that you end up putting on the shelf after a few months.

Progression doesn’t have to be vertical.

It doesn’t do Anet any good to have people grinding the game for month after month. There’s no sub fee.

who said it was going to be month to month? maybe its not about the sub fee maybe its about keeping the game alive and and to keep people busy. If you release new content with no treadmill people will burn through that in a couple days or a week or two. And then youll get people saying theres nothing more to do over and over again. The way I see it, Anet is smarting up. Sometimes you have to go with whats proven, just like in life, If you wanna be rich then you follow what the rich do, if you wanna be in the middle then follow what they do.

So peoples issue is a gear treadmill? This is the best decision ever, finally have something to look forward to. I don’t get why people are playing an MMO if they dont like progression. Progression is proven and its what makes an MMO a success, sounds like what some of you are looking for is easy access to everything, that doesn’t work in the long run, thats a game that you end up putting on the shelf after a few months.

mjalkar.5284:

If you don’t have infused items you will get to a point in which you can’t stand the agony DoT tick.

So if you want to fully clear the new content you need to obtain the ascended armors which, being stronger then exotic and on par with legendaries (as said in the last post) i expect to be more DIFFICULT to obtain.

THIS is the kind of circular mechanic i don’t want to kick in.

It may not be as bad as i think and i really hope that this will be the case. But i have to express my concerns on a system that was not intended to be there and was clearly rushed to satisfy a part of the playerbase which is “whining” becuase there’s not gear progression.

Gear progression wasn’t supposed to be here and now it’s here becuase of the devs being frustrated on how fast we reached their intended gear caps, in just three months.

What will happen then when they release new expansion ? level cap, other tier, rinse and repeat? GW1 in 7 years never needed a level cap. Okay, gw1 was not a proper mmo but it worked.

Well I’m defending it right now but if its anything on par of what it takes to get a legendary then Ill be pretty upset but Im just going on gut instinct that it shouldn’t be that bad with it being between exotic and legendary.. We will find out how tough it will be to obtain. Right now we can only speculate.

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

moiraine.2753:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

Well as a pver i do jumping puzzles,Keg brawl,dungeons.I don’t like Orr.My foot doesn’t step there.I farm other high level lands.
I’m killing world bosses from time to time.
There are many things that i do.

Ok you see but not everyone does jumping puzzles. I know its fun but I cant consider that end game, to me its just an option to do when you feel like doing it. You farm other high level lands but heres the thing, your still farming… Getting new gear in this new patch is no different then what your doing right now.. your still farming for something, and who knows it might even be more fun than what your doing right now. The more things to do the better.

camoflaugz.5031:

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-endgame-reimagined/

this is what they intended by end game.

Now they’re adding a superior tier of jewels (for now) and then : armor and weapons.

This is in contradiction of what they intended to give us in the first place. Equip should not be the end-game reward..

The only contradiction I notice is that there is a heavy grind that leads to nowhere right now. Seriously all there is to do is grind de’s in orr or dungeons but once you have the gear from the dungeons its all cosmetics after that and if your not into cosmetics then whats left? I would much rather get gear to be able to do other things not just for looks. I don’t know if I fall in the hardcore category and thats why I might be in favor of this but I don’t see this as being hardcore at all. This is normal to me, I mean throughout the game everybody progressed in gear in one form or the other. You not wearing level 2 gear in a level 80 exp dungeon.

It’s not about being hardcore. It’s about that the core of the game was not gear progression as intended as in stats they provide. I’m following the game since it was announced and this should have been an horizontal progression system. It’s ok to introduce new armor, new weapons, new accessories. But they should not overlap the previous in any way.

They could have release same power items but with different stats combinations. So that if you would like to have a different setup (but with the same power output) you could choose to achieve those things for the sake of diversity and horizontal progression that this game was advertised for.

It’s normal “for you” to have a gear progression. I’ts not normal for other people that are sick of this kind of end-game and wish something different, something promised, something now abandoned in favor of the old classics ..

I really dont understand it still because even in this game I worked for exotics.. I could have done probably anything in blue or greens but exotics made things much better and I put in the time for it. I don’t mind putting time for something else. I guess thats just me. So what you want is for them to just add new content and you can just walk in there with the same old gear all the time? The game wont last like that, people will burn through the new content so easy all the time. You never know, it might not be as bad as you think and you might actually enjoy it, will see what happens.

moiraine.2753:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

Well as a pver i do jumping puzzles,Keg brawl,dungeons.I don’t like Orr.My foot doesn’t step there.I farm other high level lands.
I’m killing world bosses from time to time.
There are many things that i do.

Ok you see but not everyone does jumping puzzles. I know its fun but I cant consider that end game, to me its just an option to do when you feel like doing it. You farm other high level lands but heres the thing, your still farming… Getting new gear in this new patch is no different then what your doing right now.. your still farming for something, and who knows it might even be more fun than what your doing right now. The more things to do the better.

mjalkar.5284:

camoflaugz.5031:

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-endgame-reimagined/

this is what they intended by end game.

Now they’re adding a superior tier of jewels (for now) and then : armor and weapons.

This is in contradiction of what they intended to give us in the first place. Equip should not be the end-game reward..

The only contradiction I notice is that there is a heavy grind that leads to nowhere right now. Seriously all there is to do is grind de’s in orr or dungeons but once you have the gear from the dungeons its all cosmetics after that and if your not into cosmetics then whats left? I would much rather get gear to be able to do other things not just for looks. I don’t know if I fall in the hardcore category and thats why I might be in favor of this but I don’t see this as being hardcore at all. This is normal to me, I mean throughout the game everybody progressed in gear in one form or the other. You not wearing level 2 gear in a level 80 exp dungeon.

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

Looking forward to the weekend! Most of our guild will be playing and I am sure we will have alot of fun!

The screens I have seen looks wonderfull as everything else in this game, the dungeon mechanic sounds awsome! And some new stuff to get while you are at it I am so eager to try it out! It’s like being a child days before christmas

Looking forward to it too:)

Ok I still dont get it… What are people doing in pve? its either your in orr grinding de’s or your in a dungeon. How many times can you run that dungeon over and over again without doing it for gear and not get bored? What is everybody doing in pve that I don’t know about because those are the only things I can think of doing at this point.

hplee.2839:

camoflaugz.5031:

I seriously wanna know what people are doing in pve right now? Your not running dungeons for gear? your not doing dungeons or orr for karma to get gear? C’mon you gotta be grinding something at this point.

nah, it is OK to farm 2 events over and over again on Orr just to get enough stuffs for Legendary skin, but it is not OK to grind the new dungeon to get a new tier of gear that provide you with minor stats boost…

get that?

actually No i dont get that. Your idea of fun is grinding orr? sorry but that is not fun to me. I have to get 42k or 43k " i forgot the exact number" karma for each piece just for looks. Look if you got the time to get a legendary then getting new gear should be a breeze. Fun to me is having a goal so if it requires gear that has new stats so I can do something fun with it then I’m all for it. Its better than just doing something for looks which has no goal behind it at all.

I seriously wanna know what people are doing in pve right now? Your not running dungeons for gear? your not doing dungeons or orr for karma to get gear? C’mon you gotta be grinding something at this point.

Daendur.2357:

camoflaugz.5031:

First off none of us know how this will turn out but I for one am very excited about the Ascended gear and Im excited for the new dungeon. I barely log into the game anymore because there is nothing for me to do thats interesting anymore. What are people afraid of? because they have to get new gear? what a joke, its just gear whats the problem with that? This is an MMO, makes me wonder what people are actually doing in the game because I could barely even log in anymore because I need a goal to keep playing. Now don’t get me wrong I might not like this but I’m willing to try anything new thats added and to me getting gear is not a big deal. Im used to it already and I’m sure that majority of MMO players are used to it. Its a natural thing in MMO’s. Anet, good move on this one, I just hope the new gear looks nice:)

if you can’t log in because you do not have gear to farm you can go play pandas.

No, I can’t log in because there is nothing to do now. Getting cosmetics is the ONLY thing I can think of at this point but I’m not gonna do that because there is no reason to do that other than looks, theres no goal behind it.