Guild Wars 2

This thread….so much win.

Ugh….this matchup….

Curo.2483:

I totally understand the whole argument behind everyone being expected to take the same hard path to greatness. However, there is one thing you guys have not taken into account: WvW is an ever-growing gamestyle. Here is what I mean:

In PvE, there is a set amount of difficulty, and people need to learn how to overcome it. Whether through trial and error, or through allies and guides, PvE challenges are defeated in standard fashion. But when it comes to WvW, you need to realize that it is always changing, and some players have had over a year to adapt to this environment. And now new players are expected to deal with this vast amount of experience? Come on! It’s one thing to learn that falling off cliffs will kill you, but when there are enemies with a year of experience that know 100 different ways to knock you off that cliff, that mountain is going to be MUCH harder to climb (and subsequently fall off).

We have so many serious players and guilds who make it their mission to stomp newbies. At least give the new players something that makes them feel not completely helpless.

We need to remember that GW2 is above all a casual MMO. It’s understandable that hardcore players would have an advantage, but we shouldn’t discourage casuals from enjoying the content just because someone else plays more than them. Downed state mastery, while maybe not the perfect idea, is definitely a step in the right direction. We need something for new players to look at and say “hey, they had me in mind when they made this, perhaps I will actually enjoy this activity.”

I think a lot of people in this thread got involved in WvW near the start, when everyone was on the same playing field. But now, that playing field is so well established that new players are going to end up feeling like they are on the bleachers, just watching, and occasionally getting hit in the face with a ball. You simply cannot think that anyone would willingly want to pit themselves up against such odds without some sort of helmet.

And here we have a whole new set of achievements obviously designed to encourage new WvW players, but we have no system to accommodate them. How is a new guy going to be able to take Stonemist when he can’t even jump out of his keep without dying from fall damage? Seriously. I know getting out of that red keep in EB can be a hassle. You want to get there ASAP so you don’t miss credit, and end up killing yourself because you are in such a rush. Then you end up missing the cap and you’re forced to ram your face on the wall for another 2 hours because your server can’t field enough people to take a decent shot at the castle.

Ok so maybe I’m taking this a little personally now, but seriously give the new guys some kind of training wheels. You can even remove those wheels once they hit a high enough rank.

And one final thought, another proposition. How about we have some sort of “elitist mastery” (although we won’t call it that) that handicaps a more experienced player in order to receive better rewards? If we’re going to do something like this for the newbs, we’ve got to throw the pros a bone as well!

Your post really speaks to me. When I was starting out, I tried wvw so many times and failed so hard. I really do love pvp, but I bought GW2 because I wanted to be a little more causal in my gameplay, especially that I work two jobs now and dont’ have the playtime I once had. I tried to wvw so many times initially only to quit several times just because of frustration. I could not figure out how to jump off that cliff without dieing. It took me a while, but I figured it out. I agree that some training wheels need to be in place so that people won’t get frustrated and just quit…and quit..and quit. More newb friendliness in WvW means a higher population of people, more coverage, more even fights. Everyone wins!

Sirendor.1394:

gladiator.5367:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Omne.4603:

Yaro.3251:

Omne.4603:

I get what your saying about the process to becoming a veteran in WvW, but you can’t make those kinds of assumptions about what he’s saying.

I’m not sure which assumptions do you mean. Care to elaborate?

Omne.4603:

The responses seem typical so far, i’m wrong because of insert some subjective reasoning here. All the while no one seems to have a serious response, criticism or suggestion to my initial post. Pretty disappointing, but I guess this is to be expected.

It would help if you’d explain what is subjective and why exactly you are dismissing comments coming from WvWers and calling them not serious.

Why are you getting so defensive?

Pot meet kettle.

How has OP been defensive? He’s just asking for a coherent, reasonable, objective argument against his post. I think he’s entitled to it.

… the OP said “Why are you getting so defensive?” because he doesn’t have any arguments anymore. Open your eyes.

They are open, else I couldn’t read this thread.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Omne.4603:

Yaro.3251:

Omne.4603:

I get what your saying about the process to becoming a veteran in WvW, but you can’t make those kinds of assumptions about what he’s saying.

I’m not sure which assumptions do you mean. Care to elaborate?

Omne.4603:

The responses seem typical so far, i’m wrong because of insert some subjective reasoning here. All the while no one seems to have a serious response, criticism or suggestion to my initial post. Pretty disappointing, but I guess this is to be expected.

It would help if you’d explain what is subjective and why exactly you are dismissing comments coming from WvWers and calling them not serious.

Why are you getting so defensive?

Pot meet kettle.

How has OP been defensive? He’s just asking for a coherent, reasonable, objective argument against his post. I think he’s entitled to it.

You get the rest through daily achievements. Look in your daily achievement panel as well and look for the ones with a different icon than the rest (that are halloween themed). Those count to the meta as well.

styx.7294:

It’s been my experience if anyone stops playing to win, the server suffers.

That plays more to my point than you think….

Brigg.3961:

Seems to me, NSP is playing PR damage control now, so hopefully everything settles to where it should be.

With Kain in silver?

Antara.3189:

Just a reminder that you’re talking to GoM and AR here. We get beat down constantly but those of us who want to see our server stronger, have stayed and continue to fight. Saying you want to use Bronze to work on your server issues is still wrong if it’s done purposely.

If your server plays to it’s full potention and the commanders play smart and hard as much as they can and place is silver; then that’s where the server should be, regardless of the outcome in silver.

I understand there NSP, Kaineng are in the split between placing in two different leagues, but it should be irrelevant.

I understand your fear of losing people if placed in silver though. If you look past that, you will see the people that you lost, are the ones who are selfish and only look to a server that always wins, which isn’t a team player.

I realize I am talking in the AR/GoM thread, and in all honesty, we don’t want to fight GoM and AR. This matchup is fun for noone at the moment. And it won’t be fun in bronze. GoM and AR aren’t the only servers in bronze though. Servers like HoD, FC, DH, and SF are servers that we want to fight.

There is a VERY BIG difference between coverage though when you move from NSP to IoJ. NSP can’t compete with IoJ, who would be the one server we would have to face simply due to the amount of coverage there. I get that there is also a huge change in coverage for GoM and AR compared to NSP, but not so much when you compare yourselves to DR and ET.

In a perfect world, NSP, HoD, DH, Kain, FC, and SF would be in their own league, but that’s not the designed league given to us. I understand AR and GoM hate fighting NSP, and it’s not fair to AR and GoM. But you have servers in bronze you can at least fight against and potentially compete with. NSP will have none of that in silver. The change between 16th/15th and 14th in coverage is just astronomical. Even when we do play to our full potential, we consistently lose by a lot to IoJ, and IoJ is gaining guilds. NSP is not.

NSP is in the rare situation that we can choose the league we play in, and the health of the server is the main basis for why people are wanting to play in bronze first. That’s the only reason.

This needs a bump. Join NSP!

The thing is, NSP has a bunch of skill, but extreme lack of coverage. Most everyone wanting to stay in Bronze on NSP are not afraid themselves of fighting in silver, but are wanting to use the chance to fight in bronze to prepare for silver next season. Noone knows NSP like players on NSP do, and we know exactly what happens when we start to lose a bit. Several people on the server were wanting to use a fair taste of victory in bronze to create a more unified server.

People who aren’t on the server have no clue what even just a little bit of losing does to those who only pop into wvw a little bit, those who make up a strong portion of the militia for almost every other server. We saw that the past 3-4 matchups before this one where we got destroyed constantly, and the only people in wvw were those who aren’t afraid of the fight, and who really won’t mind fighting in silver or bronze.

People who were arguing to stay in bronze on NSP are thinking longer term than just the next season. They are thinking not to play for first place in bronze (or last place in silver) in season one. They are thinking of playing for near the top of silver in season two. Those arguing to stay in bronze are doing so because they only want this one season to be their only bronze season, and are fearful now that if we go fight in silver for season one, we’ll be in bronze in season two. The more desirable of those two outcomes is fight in bronze initially to prepare for silver.

To be clear: NSP is not afraid of fighting. Those who want to play in bronze are ONLY wanting to do so to be more competitive in silver next time. I personally would like to be in bronze for that reason, but I know I will be freakishly bored of the fights in bronze.

The potential on NSP is bright (it really is a great place to come if your guild is thinking of transferring). If we are somehow able to be competitive in silver straight away, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Whether this is the right way to do it, that’s up for debate.

tl;dr: NSP is not afraid of the hard fight, NSP just wants to be competitive in silver eventually.

Sorry HoD Worst timing ever!

Sanctus.3725:

-snip-

While I can appreciate the notion and option of giving guilds from either server an invitation, and I agree with you on many points that guilds can come and go as they please, you doing such recruiting here is very disrespectful to both NSP and Kain. You already have an (active) thread in the appropriate place. Choosing to openly recruit here while the match is going on is akin to Barcelona recruiting Ronaldo while they are playing Real Madrid, or the Spurs recruiting Lebron James (or any Heat player) while playing the Heat. It’s extremely disrespectful and in bad form.

I’m happy you guys are doing well, I really am. I think we on NSP can grow from this matchup and better our already awesome small WvW population. Just, have some class please….

Daww, BP is so cute on the forums!

Sanctus.3725:

…..As such, we are extending our invitation to any guild from NSP and Kaineng that wish to consider a transfer over to Borlis Pass as well, we are a growing and friendly community and we would love to entertain any questions you might have if you do entertain a consideration to move here to our community……

VERY bad form recruiting. NSP is one of the best servers to play in. Awesome and thriving community in both WvW and PvE, and extremely close knit. Transferring over to BP to me would only mean leaving behind one of the best communities I’ve ever been apart of, and losing a huge part of what makes WvW fun: that I actually make a difference regardless where I play, and I play with great players who value that….

…very dissappointed that you’re openly recruiting here. Glad to see your fellow servermates not condoning this.

Noodica.5428:

Would be awesome to have all my old fellow NSP’ers by my side on BP.
All who i know from NSP that have came to Borlis including myself haven’t regretted it one bit. It is pretty much the same as NSP, but just fills in the WvW gaps that it had.

Some of you over there deffs deserve better! But keep fighting

Northern Pass? ;x

Why would we downgrade? I understand why some people transferred off, but leaving NSP for BP in my eyes is a downgrade. I would leave a very close and awesome community for one that I may or may not get along with….as well as leaving our thriving and energetic PvE community…..

I’m happy you guys are happy on BP now, but I would never think about transferring to BP now, especially with as zergy of a server it is. It’s insulting to insinuate that “we deserve better.” Well, I believe I have it. And a lot of us on NSP believe that too.

I gotta give DR props. Well done!

Weird, all the drama in this thread doesn’t involve any of NSP……

hmm….

MORE BIRDMIST!

Legit, NSP is probably in the best place it’s been in since our previous downfall. If you want to be a part of a community that is only going up, and has such a strong core, NSP is where you want to be. This community is ridiculously close nit, and amazing.

I <3 NSP.

I kinda laugh at any notion that NSP is terrible in open field combat. We kinda are known for highly skilled players, and completely dominate in the open for the most part.

That said, DH, seriously, you’re a great server. IoJ, you got a bunch of awesome people on the field. You’re forum warriors though….might be as bad as our NSP forum warriors….

The ironic thing about this “alliance” was that it was the exact same philosophy NSP took last week.

There is a server vent at the moment, just need to get bodies into it.

Chesire.9043:

bots is the only other one I see tbh, and I don’t see a lot of them running together. That’s not to say they aren’t in EB destroying people, but I don’t spend any time in EB really.

We (bots) do a little bit of both. Our strength isn’t necessarily running full force, but in our flexibility. We do a lot of scouting, and communicating with other guilds (like Os, ZoS, AS, NOOB, king, etc). And there are a ton of other guilds out there that if only they would communicate a little more, we’d be that driving force.

NSP has that amazing potential, and you’re seeing it since the randomization of matchups. We’ve only been climbing. Seriously, if you’re a guild or player that wants to get involved in a community that is only going up, NSP is for you.

I need to stop reading these forums…

This thread…..wow…just wow.

Kodiack.2783:

Dear NSP.

Please come to our thread and take back your village idiot.

Thanks
AR / BP/ SBI

No thanks.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

gladiator.5367:

it looks like IoJ is playing for second, taking up scraps and advantage of us after DH has us backed into a corner.

Clearly we play during entirely different timezones. From NA primetime, until right before the Oceanics got on IoJ we were battling DH from our BL, their BL, and EB. The only big groups hitting NSP most of the time are randoms out to flip camps. IoJ doesn’t play for second. We play to win.

I can assure you the same thing that I assured DR. If there wasn’t a server with close to double our populations….things would be entirely different. DR didn’t think so, and we put them in third as we took first. The bigger server of the three is more worried about ending up anywhere else in the ranking than any of the servers. Clearly that isn’t IoJ or NSP in this match, and you can check the match updates by the hour to see who’kittenting your server the most. It isn’t IoJ my friend. We’re not playing for anything other than to win…

We know that if DH isn’t kept in check they’d have a 100k lead on us by Wednesday. So why would we farm NSP for second when we can farm DH for legit points/badges/AND keep them from having an insane blow out score? We wouldn’t. And we don’t. I can’t speak for the pugs….there’s always going to be randoms doing whatever they want to do. No one can control that lot.

tl;dr~ I’ve never in my daily 4-6+ hour weekday or 12+hour weekend wvw sprees ever seen someone say “Uh oh, we need some points. Lets go hit whoever is in third place’s BL, take their stuff in EB & bank on that for points”. Never. It’s get what’s ours back, and thoroughly punish whoever is most responsible for farming us for points. No one gets to first by sitting in second and picking on third place. Think about it.

You misunderstand me (apologies, I’m on my phone). I actually agree with you. I merely was giving a counter argument to the accusation of NSP playing for second. I have nothing but respect for IoJ. I’ve seen you hit both DH and us. Today the only time I saw you hit is was at QL. You focused a lot on DH today in EB. So did we.

You basically said the same thing I did.

MrFluffy.9307:

gladiator.5367:

nyckolag.2394:

Good fights all around today. Hopefully NSP wasn’t too surprised as I popped out from behind the back of Quentin Lake whilst you were holding it off a furious DH horde. I’d been hiding there since IoJ tried to do a sneaky after DH got that wall down; but the commander at the time didn’t want to upset you guys. After that I decided to have a little bit of fun and play with your siege a little – even running up to your lord’s room and seeing what the guys on the AC’s thought of my illusionary swordsman!

Oh yeah, and you guys should really be thankful that we brought the health of those DH omega golems down for you when they took our keep. It cost us a waypoint – but at least you guys didn’t lose yours! :P (Btw DH, I’d totally swear revenge, but sadly I have my last three exams the rest of this week, so I’m completely stressed about other, much less important stuff than wubwub. )

That was a bit of a surprise at QL. Probably one of my most favorite fights in WvW to date was at QL with DH and you guys. Also, that 3 way in SM. Man, not sure how we managed to take that. We’re good at taking, not so much at keeping.

we let you have it so DH would get pushed out, we waited on third floor for buff to go out then we took it from ya. Thanks for doing the work for us I guess Also NSP listen this match up isn’t gonna be any fun if you keep playing for 2nd the whole time. Hit darkhaven for once! You have more than
enough people to initiate attacks rather than wait on the other server to start attacking so you can piggyback their progress

We talking about the same thing? We found you all on the 3rd floor and wiped you up there. You may have backed off in that 3way but you had to bust into SM again. We ended up leaving it relatively undefended when DH started taking our corner after that. I’m sorry but I believe you are quite mistaken.

Also, NSP doesn’t care who we hit, especially since we are in 3rd. The entire time I was in EB today we only hit DH, and tried to hit them hard. We never play for 2nd. We play to have a good time. In fact, a lot of times it looks like IoJ is playing for second, taking up scraps and advantage of us after DH has us backed into a corner. The problem with that thinking though is thakittens a small section of time on the field. Whenever I’m in, I’ve only seen us hit IoJ once. I’ve seen IoJ hit us plenty of times though. Are you guys playing for second? Of course not. You are hitting DH and NSP, just like we are hitting both DH and IoJ

NSP never plays for second. We love the tough fight, and don’t care who its against.

nyckolag.2394:

Good fights all around today. Hopefully NSP wasn’t too surprised as I popped out from behind the back of Quentin Lake whilst you were holding it off a furious DH horde. I’d been hiding there since IoJ tried to do a sneaky after DH got that wall down; but the commander at the time didn’t want to upset you guys. After that I decided to have a little bit of fun and play with your siege a little – even running up to your lord’s room and seeing what the guys on the AC’s thought of my illusionary swordsman!

Oh yeah, and you guys should really be thankful that we brought the health of those DH omega golems down for you when they took our keep. It cost us a waypoint – but at least you guys didn’t lose yours! :P (Btw DH, I’d totally swear revenge, but sadly I have my last three exams the rest of this week, so I’m completely stressed about other, much less important stuff than wubwub. )

That was a bit of a surprise at QL. Probably one of my most favorite fights in WvW to date was at QL with DH and you guys. Also, that 3 way in SM. Man, not sure how we managed to take that. We’re good at taking, not so much at keeping.

I love NSP. Lots of great people here on this server, and very highly skilled. Just needs that extra few guilds for coverage, especially at Oceanic times. Our primetime NA fights are amazing, and I’m starting to see some newer commanders step up and rock hard.

If you’re looking for a server that fights hard, doesn’t give up easily, and has a lot of fun, NSP is the place for you.

LordKael.7260:

Sending all of NSP into the gladiator pit?

I have a pit?

I don’t know how they can improve on a queue time of 0 seconds. Take me into wvw before I choose which world to enter?

BlazeQ.1095:

Just too bad more NSP guilds can’t come together as a whole and work towards winning as a server. The individual strength in a lot of NSP players is very high, If only they would put that towards a server effort.

This. NSP just needs to utilize the tools that have been in place since the Ascension Alliance left. There already is a place for people to communicate on the server, a server website (shiverpeaks.com), and a vent server for people to come on and coordinate with others. If we can get all the commanders to use that whenever possible and coordinate with each other, our server could do so much work. Several times we’ve managed to take over maps with lesser numbers when we’ve coordinated together. When we don’t…well….this week happens.

Also, I vote next week we have two threads: one for the small group pvpers and one for the rest of us who want to take over things.

RiverRat.1045:

that logic isnt helping you win looks like its actaully making you lose. so keep using that logic and GOM will keep beating you ( actaully keep using it and youll end up in t8 and we can have HOD back)

Preventing GoM from getting more points seems like a solid strategy. The better strategy in that case though would have been to try to let them open whatever keep they were going for (looked like garrison at the time) and wiped them there. But, hindsight is 20/20.

That said, it’s all in good fun. If it really will hurt us, we won’t do it. That’s not our style.

Darkothe.1253:

I just need to get this out there:

I have no idea what went on with TCMM before they transferred back to GoM. And honestly, I don’t care. TCMM, since coming home to GoM, has been a solid addition to our server. They are always there to support efforts in taking and/or keeping objectives, are fast to respond to requests for back up and are generally very pleasant in both map and team chat.

I understand that there’s some bad blood under the bridge where TCMM is concerned. However, they’re proving themselves to be dedicated, energetic and worthy server mates on GoM. I honestly believe we, as a server, benefited from their return home.

So…while we appreciate how some people may have bad feelings…they’re our brothers and sisters now, and we’ll defend them on the battlefield and on the boards.

Good for you guys and good for TCMM! I’m glad they found a home there and are doing great. They just didn’t seem to fit on NSP, and basically tried to take over the server, at least that’s from my perspective. Glad they are doing well there, and hope nothing but the best. Still is fun killing them though when we can. Same with PAXA, and any other guild that leaves our server but we get to face them again.

BlazeQ.1095:

GoM has something that irritates the crap out of many NPS guilds. Its call TCMM. We resent they way they treated our server just before they left. Many will actively try to hunt them down. And most of the organized guilds consider them KOS.
(/snip)

Just the rambling thoughts of a Mad Char who drinks to much beer. Not an official statement from NSP or Anyone else.

This is about as official as you can get without being offical. We were in DR’s BL either last night or the night before (memory is foggy), outmanned, and just working on both DR and GoM. Then we saw TCMM in passing, Golem rushing (no surprise). Call went out in passing in map chat about the comedy of the situation and everyone stopped what they were doing and went to wipe them. It wasn’t because it was strategically sound, but it was just because it was TCMM. The comment was made that logic goes out the window when we see them.

Score update for those who like them:
GoM: 144,263, +245
DR: 139,796, +245
NSP: 133,587, +205

Neeho.3859:

Anyone from [bots] frequent these boards?

What’s up?

DDLG, could you leave NSP BL? Please?

Big props to you guys, very organized.

Omne.4603:

Malchior.5042:

Ping.5739:

The fact that so-called “wvw guilds” on NSP barely put any buff on DISGUST me. Switching? So switching to other guilds that never put buffs on make such significant difference! " “Best dependable position”? If there is +5 supply buff on EB keep, I am sure defending other towers NSP owns will be much easier. But, you know some selfish guilds never do that. I assumed that you, being a commander, should know about the important of eb keep as a reinforcement center, but… ehh, well, I guess you don’t.

I was happy about keep falling from you hand because I thought finally some “real” wvw guild can claim it and do all the buffs… umm alright seems like another selfish guild claimed it…

Please chill, I am not solely blaming TFG for doing this. I am blaming most of the wvw guilds on this server.

Since you want to call out the entire server, sir, allow me to further enlighten you how upgrades work in a guild.

Influence

Guild Upgrades for keeps is not something they can just turn on at any given time. It is a one use deal, that when activated has an active time of 12 hours. They can’t queue multiple Supply Upgrades and immediately pop another after the first has run out.

Also, see how those upgrades cost 200 influence. That’s only to get the upgrade started in the guild queue. After that it takes 16 hours before the upgrade can be used at a claimed keep. Even with a Guild Workshop, the max upgrades any guild can have queueing at one time is two unless they use Contract Asuran Outsourcing, which allows one upgrade to begin building without taking a queue slot. Contract Asuran Outsourcing takes 30 hours to build.

Every guild is trying to work up through the Guild Events to do Bounties, Rushes, Challenges, and Puzzles. Each of those unlocks takes a week to build, which uses up one of those valued queue slots in the build queue.

Also, if you want to argue they can just use influence to speed up the process…a 200 Influence supply upgrade costs 500 Influence just to progress it 25%. Guilds need to build influence so they can hope to unlock the new Guild Content.

So please, next time you want to call out the entire server or its contributing guilds on such a complicated issue, I suggest you do some research first.

Marry me?

Back off he’s mine.

A lot of of stayed because we picked NSP independent of Ascension coming here. There are a ton of great guilds here, and the community is great. With the alliance and Wv3 organization coming together beautifully, things are really looking up. I can’t thank those who stuck around enough, and those who came back, and especially those who took the lead, to get things organized on the server. The “pugs” are really a great group of people, and are willing to work together. The server community is truly a thing of wonder, having gone through an incredible optimistic time, to a crashing downturn, to finding something much more beautiful on the other end.

And we do feel bad about what DR, Kaineng, AR, and FC have to go through now. We’re not in our right bracket with our organization, and it’s really unfortunate. Most everyone on NSP wish you guys the best, simply because more Wv3 competition is better for everyone. Hopefully others will realize that and you guys will get a Wv3 community like we’ve gotten too. It really is great (and again, HOPE/Os/TBH/AA/War/everyone on NSP, thank you so much! )