Guild Wars 2

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So they destroy our fps, make the game look like crap, and we can’t even fix your mess? blasphemy I say.

bad news guys, arenanet has read this thread, but only to punish me for bumping it. That means they simply don’t care; this game will never run above 20fps in WvW and large player events, really sad.

Bump, and I am just done with this game. I can’t do what I want to do at above 20fps, no matter the settings. From the time I created this thread nothing has been done, in fact I think it got worse.

Let me know ARENANET when the “MMO”(20+ people) aspects leave their beta stage so I can come back. Until then, their are better alternatives for entertainment.

Farcry3 at the moment seems to enjoy my hardware at 100% GPU/CPU usage, and I manage 60fps on maximum settings, I’ll let the game speak for itself on the visuals when it comes out tomorrow.

I suggest you guys fix your game though before adding any more content, lest you die to this ‘Next-Gen’ rolling around the corner.

I thought every aspect of this “Lost Shores” fiasco was ABYSMAL.

On lowest ugly ugly UGLY settings I ran at 25fps
On highest settings I ran at 19fps.

1920×1080
Intel i5 2500k 3.5ghz x 4
Nvidia 560Ti OC x 2 in SLI
120gb SATA3 SSD
8gb DDR3 RAM
Win7 64bit
and i’ve been a computer systems builder for 15 years.

You wasted all of your money and resources on creating one-time only events that were PAINFUL to complete, LONG as hell, and i felt REQUIRED to be there because of all the loot.

I don’t see how anyone can enjoy ANY video game at under 30fps.

MrDmajor.7084:

dirtyklingon.2918:

Krighton.2138:

xiv.7136:

tbh GW2 is not just the best looking MMO out there, it’s one of the best looking games, DX9 or DX11, it’s still beautiful.

This is complete false information. You have to play every other game before you can make this determination.

Currently, TERA is THE BEST LOOKING DX9 game on the planet. Hands down.

Also, you’ve never played it. Most of you would cry at it’s difficulty. I did.

tera is overly “pretty” but not technically that good looking. it over uses bloom/hdr to such extremes that it’s hard on the eyes.

gw2 is actually better looking on a tehcnical basis, but not by much.

How does something look “technically” better. Never ever say GW2 looks better than TERA. EVER. EVER.

From a scale standpoint, that screenshot is a very pretty 240×240 cutout compared to the one I provided. Where is the field of view? I barely see anything in my viewing screen. Also, I didn’t need outside programs to improve visual quality; if I used sweetfx and that new AA on Tera it would have looked better i’m sure.

Not to mention your cutout of a screenshot runs at 30fps when 20+ people are present while Tera maintains 60fps.

Krighton.2138:

xiv.7136:

tbh GW2 is not just the best looking MMO out there, it’s one of the best looking games, DX9 or DX11, it’s still beautiful.

This is complete false information. You have to play every other game before you can make this determination.

Currently, TERA is THE BEST LOOKING DX9 game on the planet. Hands down.

Also, you’ve never played it. Most of you would cry at it’s difficulty. I did.

I agree, Tera is THE BEST LOOKING, by far……
and to those that disagree with that statement, that is because you didn’t know how to use nvidia inspector or amd catalyst control to tweak the graphics.

You think that’s BS?
Look at these and try calling it BS one more time.

Tera:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4ptheabt22ebls/TERA_ScreenShot_20120512_170453.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6qy2p4tawnknyo/TERA_ScreenShot_20120509_085447.png

Blow up the images, notice the distant textures, resolution, PROPER AA, draw distnace, shadow detailsk, and much much more, as you can see lol.

edit: Also, my computer never even saw what 30FPS looked like in Tera because it barely ever dipped below 60.

Don’t listen to the advices of replacing your hardware soulcrusher. I’ve overclocked my CPU to 4.0+ghz with an i5. along with 2 560ti OCs.

Here are some true facts:

THERE IS NO SLI SUPPORT
THERE IS NO QUAD CORE SUPPORT
THERE IS LITTLE TO NO NVIDIA GPU SUPPORT
THERE IS LITTLE TO NO AMD CPU SUPPORT

if you have any one of these, you will suffer with this game.

quad core users: yes the game uses all 4 cores but the last 2/4 cores are just mirroring the processes on the first 2 cores. Meaning it’s actually running like a 2 and a half core system.

Keep threads like these bumped tho so they do something about it.

Here is another one that has been out for months

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/When-Does-DX10-11-Nvidia-Patch-Come-Out-1/first#post782876

Well they broke nvidia card support even further. I’m in the same boat too.

Check this thread out https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/When-Does-DX10-11-Nvidia-Patch-Come-Out-1/first#post782876

similar issues for everyone, but even before the patch. Out of the 400+ cores your GPU has, the game maybe sees 150 of them or something lol.

bump, i’d like to know too

MrDmajor.7084:

Speaking of which, why does the FPS dip so bad when I’m in Lions Arch and I turn the camera? I’m running i5 2550k, GTX 570 OC, 8 gig ram

I doubt u get 60fps in lions arch standing still… i’m running almost the same exact rig as you except the 2 × 560TI OC.

The reason why has nothing to do with your computer, all of your components are probably capping around 60% usage, if even that. The game however will not take full advantage of your hardware and that is why you notice the dip. Especially when you move the camera because I believe at that point you are telling the game to load more textures into RAM.

Another perfect example Anet, of why your optimization update is way over due. No one really cares about these one time events you guys spend so much time on. We do care, however, for the longevity of the game.

xiv.7136:

tbh GW2 is not just the best looking MMO out there, it’s one of the best looking games, DX9 or DX11, it’s still beautiful.

a beautiful picture slide show at 20fps lol.

Angelus.1042:

invizo.5408:

Angelus.1042:

DX10 is like Windows Vista…its dead and forgotten…stop asking for it. DX11 should be the only thing.

I still have no idea why GW2 didnt come out with both DX9 and 11 support.

New MMOS like elder scrolls online in 2013 will have both DX9 and DX11 support for perfomance increase in cards that support it as well as 64 bit client support and massive GPU and scaling. GW2 is far behind for being a “next gen” mmo.

They could have included both API’s and that still would have allowed eveyone to play.

troll learn to read, i mentioned earlier they promised dx10 but stopped when they realized they can just as easily do dx11. dx9 is the dead and forgotten one bro, seriously.

Wasnt trolling lol…just saw the DX10 and Ive seen it so much …besides wasnt mad at the OP just stating a point.

DX9 is not dead…yet…its still very common especially Version C. Its there for older cards.
DX10 is dead cause it came out at a bad time right before 11 and 11 has better multi threading capabilities.

Look at games like the Witcher 2…kittening beautiful game and its DX9 and its ultra mode brings Extreme class processors and GPUs to their knees.

So try not to be so touchy there little feller its will all be ok…

lol i’m sorry too I didn’t mean to attack i’m just used to people flaming me for this stuff… It’s really bad for me because the game simply feels like a beta when it comes to being optimized correctly, its not even playable sometimes and my buddies that have cheap $150 ati cards are having a blast.

and i agree with you on the dx10 thing, but they took too long to make this game, so they had to botch dx10 or so i heard.

Angelus.1042:

DX10 is like Windows Vista…its dead and forgotten…stop asking for it. DX11 should be the only thing.

I still have no idea why GW2 didnt come out with both DX9 and 11 support.

New MMOS like elder scrolls online in 2013 will have both DX9 and DX11 support for perfomance increase in cards that support it as well as 64 bit client support and massive GPU and scaling. GW2 is far behind for being a “next gen” mmo.

They could have included both API’s and that still would have allowed eveyone to play.

troll learn to read, i mentioned earlier they promised dx10 but stopped when they realized they can just as easily do dx11. dx9 is the dead and forgotten one bro, seriously.

Bump, especially after noticing nothing has changed yet another month later. Not even 1 more fps on a rig that should be able to cream the gw2 client 3-4x over.

A cross realm lion’s arch already exists but as of now you are forced to your server’s LA, and put in a random cross-realm LA if the other is full. If you guys (Arenanet) gave us the option to switch between overflow servers (the same way you do with your spvp server list) this would drastically improve gameplay for all servers.

Think of the benefits:
1.) Easier to spam LFG for dungeons, because you can switch servers if no one in your server is looking for your dungeon.
2.) No need for a LFG dungeon tool. Most servers right now only have a good 2-3 hours throughout the day where people look for your dungeon in your given server.
3.) Economy, probably better player to player trading.
4.) Grouping with friends from other servers became that much easier.

Nhalx.9735:

It doesn’t use a chunk of Vram for processing from my expierence. Uses alot more Dram.

Anyway.
I’m running steady at 1920×1080
With everything maxed
I’ve disabled the ingame FXAA and enabled some different filters in Nvidia control panel, just because i find them less curvy and shraper that way.

Post processing makes the game look too bright, disabling the bloom effect made it look more vivid.
Bloom definitely loses it from HDR.

I’m running;
- AMD Athlon II x4 650 @ OC 3.1ghz – just a minor automated clock for 100 mhz.
- DDR3 1333mhz 4 GB
- Nvidia Geforce 630GT @ OC MemClock – 1020 / ShadClock – 1840 / GPUclock 920

Everything runs stable under heavy workload @ 40-45c

Thing didn’t cost alot, basically runs everything stable at 40 fps from WvW to Cities.
Never see a fps drop, so i don’t exactly know what’s dipping it for alot of people.

Besides that, a lot of effects and shaders work better under DX11

Would love to know what nvidia settings you set in your profile or even the nvidia inspector settings.

MF is pointless in dungeons because of how few of mobs you actually. I ran it for awhile because I could afford only one set of gear when i hit 80, so i chose the money making set. I’ve seen alot of other new 80s follow the same path.

Senik.6549:

invizo.5408:

U deserve 120fps on a dx9 game like this.

Why do you think that? You have old hardware, and this game runs a lot of complex pixel shaders and shadowing when the settings are cranked all the way up. New games target new hardware (or even a little beyond) for their high-end settings, not two-year old hardware.

Regardless, I’m running this at 2560×1600 (twice the number of pixels as 1080p), with all settings at max including AA, and getting a solid 60FPS with very few exceptions. This is with two HD6970s in crossfire @ stock clocks, so not exactly apples to apples, but the nvidia cards were more powerful in that generation anyway — a 6970 was nowhere near 2x as powerful as a 560. My wife’s system holds steady at 45-50 FPS @ 1920×1200 with one 560Ti 448 core card. There’s almost certainly something going on with your system that’s affecting your framerate, and it’s not DX9.

Krighton.2138:

DirectX 9 was cool when it was new. DirectX 11 or don’t bother guys.

You realize that when you request a 9level3 device from DirectX, all those DX9 calls just get mapped to the DX11 equivalents by the driver, right? DX11 isn’t some magical pink unicorn FPS boon. It can speed up some stuff, but most of the complexity in this game is the shadows and pixel shaders, and it won’t help much with that unless the shader code is overly complex or poorly written (but from what I can tell it’s not).

There’s still new HW coming out today that doesn’t fully support DX11. It would be dumb for them to only target DX11 because they’d lose access to a huge pool of potential customers. The right thing to do is get the engine stable on DX9_3 and then patch in a few things later from DX11 that can have a big impact on the rendering quality/speed.

[Edit to outsmart profanity filter: “s-i-n-g-l-e” apparenlty needs to be “singkitten”.]

See, your solid FPS is because of your ATI cards. Your wife’s performance with a 448 core 560ti (mine is 300 something core) probably looks fine alone in the world. But put her in a 40+man WvW fight, you’ll see what I mean if you run fraps.

And what do i expect out of gfx card!? I Run shogun 2 with 10,000 units on the screen max settings and the works, it runs a solid 60 fps, my CPU, GPU, and RAM are all screaming at me between 85-100% usage for each component, but I still get a solid 60. Monitor your wife’s gfx card, cpu, and ram usage; and watch her fps tank in Lion’s Arch but use barely any of her gfx card.

Last night I monitored my gfx cards running at 22% while I achieved 20fps…. It doesn’t make sense.

Red Falcon.8257:

I dislike these “demand” threads.
They said it’s in the works, they never promised it as a release feature of anything.
You cannot demand an ETA on something that wasn’t said to be in.

I run a 3.4ghz quad OC 4.0 with 670GTX and I don’t recall going below 50 FPS in any situation including WvW.
Ever considered it might be an issue of yours? Try using the beta drivers.
I use the 3.6 I think, been getting smooth gameplay since them (it was somewhat choppy before).

I’ve tried every driver beta and release starting at the 300.xx drivers and the latest (the best by a slight margin). You are actually running an out of date driver if you are still using their beta driver.

The reason you get 50fps is because you have a borderline powerhouse single video card at close to $400. U deserve 120fps on a dx9 game like this. Your rig is bottlenecked as well as mine except I chose 2 x $250 cards.

You realize that your card can max the hell out of a game like Battlefield 3 in Ultra, 4xMSAA, and 1080P. – a game which requires a lot more out of your rig, but you can’t achieve a solid 60fps in GW2.

edit: I play BF3 @1080p Ultra no MSAA

Bandit.3856:

SimianChaos.3219:

I run an nVidia card in my subpar rig and the game is both playable and looks nice. I don’t get 60fps but I don’t need to since the human brain processes about 24fps into fluid motion.

This is actually untrue, there is no solid number anyone can give for a limit or sweetspot for the human brain to integrate images from the eyes.

The 24fps myth comes from the fact that movies are often recorded to 24fps, but this is more to do with attempting to trick the brain into “filling in the gaps” and has nothing to do with the limitations on the eyes or brain. The average person can quite easily tell the difference between 15, 30, 60, 90 and even 120 frames per second

To back Bandit’s claim.. Have you ever gone to Best buy and checked out the 60hz 120hz and 240hz TVs?? I can tell a difference at each stage (240hz version is obviously the least noticeable)

Alicse.9854:

@ invizo.5408: thats not right, I run 40-50 FPS+ in WvW with nvidia :P.
Never had any problems even in the crowdest battle with maxed out settings, gueass it’s high end at work…

You ever go to dreaming bay with your own zerg of 40 and another zerg of 40 decides to help you out… Like I said the only possible way to have Nvidia and get your deserved 60fps is to buy a single monster powerhouse card which SHOULD be completely overkill for this game.

And i’m talking about a card that can run the most beautiful cutting edge games at 60fps

SimianChaos.3219:

See there is the primary difference between us there. I don’t WvW because my entire computer lags out, not just the graphics.

Dunno if you tried cursed shore yet, but the events with 15+ players lag for me in the same way, just not as extreme.

This isn’t a presidential debate man

1.) The nvidia engineers, was info I found on the net backed by a site moderator on gw2guru and he posted that claim in a followup to a forum post there and backed his knowledge with a link to an ANET forum post.

2.) After release…… They changed their position on this less than a month to release, but back in the day they were supposed to land simultaneously. But how close are they to finishing? do you know?

3) Your nvidia card is 100% guaranteed to dip you into the 15-30fps range or worse during WvW fights that r semi large scale and events in cursed shore.

and to avoid any nerd rage about computer builds: Don’t care how fast your system is, or what is in it, you WILL be frame rate capped with an nvidia card. The game doesn’t use the second card (well it does but I calculated it to ~15% efficiency on the 2nd card, and always less than 70% on the first card lol).

The best possible outcome with an nvidia card for you ‘simianchaos’ is to have a powerhouse single video card upwards of $400+ and U might get 30fps in wvw, just maybe.

ATI users disregard my posts, you are set.

In a heavy WvW situation this is what my usage looks like, you tell me what the bottleneck is:
CPU Usage: 85%
GPU1Usage: 65%
GPU2Usage: 65% (turn off sli and see this go to 0% but no FPS decrease really)
Video Memory Used: 679mb (1gb total)
Memory Usage: 72%
SSD HDD Usage: can’t get a % here but come on its solid state.
—-clearly the bottleneck is the GAME CODE—-

And yes 45FPS is still a huge difference from 60FPS when your heavily engaged in combat, maybe its my eyes being super duper, or maybe it’s because monitors prefer native refresh rates like they do native resolutions???

But such is such, and the majority notices.

I concur, getting slapped around in WvW by a 20 with 20 greens gets old lol

Seriously? you guys deleted my post about this earlier, so here is a ctrl v, i’ll put this on gw2guru as well if I need to. I’m just looking for a guesstimate or any info about this. So stop hushing us about this topic.

I bought this game last july when not many were playing and when Anet had stated in multiple announcements that they had a DX10 version of the game in the works and would be launched with the game on release day.

As we all know, this never happened and now it seems they have stayed very hush hush about it. So ANET is it cancelled? TBA 2012? Q1 2013? I think we would all like to know.

Also, more importantly. When in the world are they going to fix support w/ nvida cards?

I have two 560Ti OC in SLI and my performance in the game (especially wvw) is unacceptable. I overclocked my 3.3ghz quad core i5 to 4.0ghz quad core w/ 0 improvement. I also run the fastest possible 8gb DDR3 ram set and SSD hard drive.
I know for a fact that a team on nvidia engineers went to your facility a couple weeks back to help you guys fix this, what is the ETA on this as well? Again, 2012? Q1 2013?

I think we would all like to know, because in its current state this game is not possible to play at 60FPS in every situation (and thats not even on your ultra or high settings).

Last night’s patch fixed the researches not following me from earlier, but now when you complete the quest and leave the instance, YOU DONT GET CREDIT.

Luckily yesterday’s patch fixed Forging the pact’s inital bug of not being able to lead the researchers outside to the final boss. However, now I’m able to defeat the boss and collect my reward and everything, but when I leave the instance (thing glows and stuff indicating its safe to leave) it’s like I never did the quest.

I’m prompted to enter the personal story quest again, and have to re-complete it.

Anyone else having a similar issue since yesterday?