Guild Wars 2

Anet makekitteniggle..
the guy has time to talk about features ingame with some random 5 “noobs” standing next to him (thank god one of them was a champ and made a post about the discussion to reddit so ppl can actually read it.)
Also seen posts about him telling things on some stream at random times.
BUT opening the forum and writing there is suddenly “out of the working time”.

Now we have been waiting for over a month to see anything sPvP related and the best we have got is a blog post about what WILL happen someday.
Its been in translation for a week(?) now and if you look at the front page you can see what articles were prioritized over it.

So what im saying is, just move along and find another game to kill your freetime with. Come back in a ½ years or so.
Atleast the blog post should be done by then

if those were the biggest problems, i would jump up and down from joy.

Love these fanboys who try to see a positive side in this, where there aint any.

Atlas.6901

While I’m sure Jonathan had long stretches of quiet time to write in the weeks before launch, perhaps he decided that his time was better spent elsewhere. Also, if the features were not ready to be discussed, then I suppose that it would not have been possible to discuss them before the game was released. Would you feel better if they over-promised a number of features BEFORE you bought the game? I expect not.

Wasnt that just what happened? They sold you a pvp-game of esports quality and what you got was something closer to “Hello-Kitty goes zerging”-quality product.

Anlyon.8375

el oh el

Keep it up, pretty soon we wont be given any inkling of anything coming up.

Feel free to QUOTE where they lied and ignored us and/or tell us why certain things havnt been deliver right when you want them.

Have you made any games before, or done any large scale projects with a short timeline and lots of people hounding you?
Thought not.

Oh where should i start
How do you QUOTE being ignored?:D is it like this " “?
Also if the only thing being done OR said conserning spvp is that there will be a blog about it”in few days", makes them 100% liars in theory.

I feel that they cheated the money from me and the fact that it will get better in a month or a year or 2, doesnt count for kitten as all of my friends allready quit gw2.

If you launch a game where there is nothing else to do than zerg zerg zerg, NO kind of competition and not even a word about its future anywhere. For how long do you think ppl are going to just keep logging to see if there has been any changes?

Judging from the time its taking to be written, im starting to think that they will sell this masterpiece along with the expansion. Maybe as a bonus for preordering the exp?

“a Vast majority” is akittenstraight lie.
Sorry to break it to you, but you are actually in the minority if you claim to enjoy the pvp and “collecting gear”

@Milo, nice to hear you are having nice time with the pve.
But for the pvp part, all of my friends have stopped logging in to the game during the last 2 weeks and im seriously worried that a patch coming, say 2 weeks from now will not be enough to get their interest back again.
There is a clear reason for the interest to drop and keep dropping and it is explained in this thread. They deserve all the flame they get for totally ignoring the pvp community.

Warmage Timeraider.5861:

Stop trolling, if you think.. (the thing that can happen in your brain) .. you would know they cant make big changes yet. Because the game is still quite new and the population very new to the mechanics, tactics, skills and much more. They cant really tell if problems are caused by the community or by the game itself… yet.

You make it sound like I had been talking about buffing and nerfing and that is not the case here.
Im talking about making the whole pvp in general.
For an example: They could do something to fix the hotjoin for tournaments (separate it from premades) to make it playable.
Or like stated above, write thekittenblog that was promised 12days(?) ago.

They advertised the game as a PvP game and used words like Esports to make it sound awesome.
When in reality, a month has now passed from the release and that minigame they call PvP feels like a rushed out piece of garbage and aside from it being totally 100% ignored in every perspective, they cant even write thekittenblog about it to keep ppl even remotely interested.

edit: thats the reason what makes it sokittenhard to symphatize and cheer for these bug fixes

80% just is some nonsense that could be left unfixed forever.
Im sure that the game will soon be flawless bug wise, but only 3% of the players are here left to enjoy it.

We all thought that they are completely ignoring the pvp community, but once again they proved us wrong.

• Added the rank 30-39 wolf finishing move.

Now thats some new content for you. I tell you its ready to be esports now!

Now that im thinking about it.. not even any new guides or sites have popped up lately.
Even the supposed esporters havent updated their blogs in weeks

Mesmer shouldnt be able to carry the repairkit trought the portal!

Was making a tournament group and when it took sokittenlong, i realized that from the ~70 ppl that started playing with us, ~85% have already quit the game.

Is this high percentage just pure bad fortune for our guild or is this a bigger issue?

@Arheundel-6451, Did you know that if you never login to the game, you can never get interupted?
Also the PvP experience seems to be alot better when you dont play further than the loginscreen.

ps. Before even thinking about balancing anything, fix the whole PvP in general. Yack!

DrixTrix.7168:

when you see a big pool of whirling clear oddness on the ground thats a mesmers portal, wait and attack him when he ports back?

whether or not you kill him doesnt matter but atleast you can hold them up to even the field for a little bit and depending on the mesmers player you may kill him with ease.

So both teams got 1 player fighting at the treb and 90% of the times the mesmer will come on top and kill you, but thats not relevant.

Shalashaska.4803:

keroksi.3076:

“as if you’re any good” ……… i did not tell you to watch MY stream. PLEASE

and throw me one of those mesmers too who can move on the map as fast as the cannon ball with treb. I havent managed to do that even with the portal spell.

edit: Also doing 8-10k dmg on 1 hit is totally different story than doing 10k damage _during _10seconds". Even an amateur pvper should know this.
Oh and treb does not have any RNG factor! No matter how hard the wind blows, the treb will always hit the spot you made it shoot. If you miss with it, l2p.

dont forget the knockback/knockdown cc every 7-10seconds as well. As for missing? I very very rarely miss with the treb. Its the same distance to each objective point and you memorize it. Im not sure who you play with or how skilled you personally are but hitting a target with the treb is very very easy.

When i wrote it, i didnt know about the portal-mesmer who can blink across the map faster than the trebu bullet :—-D its awesome, i tells u!

Rika.7249:

keroksi.3076:

“as if you’re any good” ……… i did not tell you to watch MY stream. PLEASE

and throw me one of those mesmers too who can move on the map as fast as the cannon ball with treb. I havent managed to do that even with the portal spell.

Oh and treb does not have any RNG factor! No matter how hard the wind blows, the treb will always hit the spot you made it shoot. If you miss with it, l2p.

No, but you’re claiming you have some sort of knowledge that you do not possess.

Currently, all you’re saying is that the trebuchet is a 100% hit.
And it’s not. It can be outrunned. At the far-end point of the map, it becomes imprecise. That’s how its mechanic works.

I’ll also gladly toss you one of those mesmer’s WHO STANDS ON THE SAME POINT.

We have roamers for that role you suggested the mesmer should do above.

Also, I lol’d so hard when you said you can’t outrun a treb boulder with the portal. With the portal. Like, seriously.
You can’t outrun a treb-boulder with an instant-teleport-to-anywhere-on-the-map?

You need to upgrade your PC, if it can’t handle the stress of suddenly switching position.

But let’s just leave it at that, you’re incredibly hostile, yet you have nothing to base this hostility on, and you haven’t provided any sane argument as to why you wouldn’t pick timewarp, moa, illusions, and a defender who can keep the point neutralized over a trebuchet that can’t revive anyone, can miss and be dodged, and takes 10 seconds to fire.

Also, I didn’t mention “your” stream at any point, but now that you mention that you have one, I would LOVE to watch it!

hehe, its akittenshame im not there to see your face when you decide to roll a mesmer and realize what you just wrote about its portal on the forum

“as if you’re any good” ……… i did not tell you to watch MY stream. PLEASE

and throw me one of those mesmers too who can move on the map as fast as the cannon ball with treb. I havent managed to do that even with the portal spell.

edit: Also doing 8-10k dmg on 1 hit is totally different story than doing 10k damage _during _10seconds". Even an amateur pvper should know this.
Oh and treb does not have any RNG factor! No matter how hard the wind blows, the treb will always hit the spot you made it shoot. If you miss with it, l2p.

Ok, ill choose the aoe damage that hits 10k each target and can be shot almost anywhere on the map. I cant believe im even having this conversation
If you want to kitten your team with those strategies, please do, but dont try tricking others to do the same.

and if you still have some doubts, PLEASE dig up some highend player streaming his tournaments and see how it is done. ty.

Friendly tip for your future journeys: You can actually have more than 1 mesmer on your team. Put 1 in trebu and have 4 spam the timewarp you seem to love so much.

Rika.7249:

I was never talking noob 8v8, because that’s the only time the Trebuchet is worth using: When you can actually spare a man.

You can’t spare a man in 5v5.

Having 2 defenders on 2 nodes each, and a roamer to assist wherever is better than having 2 defenders on 2 nodes each, and a predictable burst every 10 seconds, that might miss, might be dodged, or might be blocked (though I don’t know if stability + block actually removes the damage completely. Let me know if you know?)

I would suggest the damage of it was buffed, health as well, and the repair kit has a 30-second spawn timer, that begins upon trebuchet destruction.

It’s hardly worth using at the moment.

Seriously?!
I mean, SERIOUSLY? trebu is useless?
Have a look at some streams and see how the GOOD players play the map and never comment on this subject again.

Let me quote anet for a bit
“We will discuss about things when they are ready to be implemented.” <- My opinion: Then just implement the darn thing and mention it in patchnotes

Another example: “We havent announced anything about the trading post being down, because it is not working yet! We will announce when it is back up!” <- What good does that announcement do after it being already up and fixed?!

I mean, they are like TOTALLY clueless about how to communicate with their customers.

Use the time crafting theories like: Everything in the game is dodgable and therefore anything cant be a stupid mechanic.

Positionin is the key here, and i found it the best to position yourself on this side of the loginserver and already my gameplay improved alot. Sure im not doing that much dmg, but im not getting killed by some hastephenomenom either.

tldr; Never log in and you will never get bursted down.

Momotaro is what i call a forumwarrior. He plays the game on paper and never loses to anything. He has unlimited stunbreaks and can dodge anything he wants. He is a master in adepting and can target anything at any time or situation and therefore doenst think the game needs to be tweaked in any ways. a real winner.

Imagine wow’s 5on5 , if only way of targeting was to scroll trought 8 totems, few pets and 3 players before getting the target you want. Thats how it is in gw2 right now. Absurd.

Oh and hate wow all you want, but the fact still remains

edit: Before the flaming starts, let me say that I wont go back to wow, no.
I dont like the whole “tab-targeting” in general. I think that skills should be aimed for them to hit.
But as i havent found a game that i liked and had this feature, the tab-targeting would be bearable if done right.

How many games you have played?!

the first 50k games will make your eyes bleed and make you puke every time you even think about gw2 pvp, but after that it becomes all fun and merry! really!

well aint pvp what this thread is all about?
like i said the pvp feels like akittenminigame and thats not what they said when they promoted the game.

I doubt the bigger pain part, as the game doesnt support you to even play if you dont have your friends online. So when i cant even play, i wont find the bugs either ;p

yup, its a team game and if you dont have those 4 friends online every time you want to play, you cant. Just because this game doesnt reward individual skill at all.

If you wait for all the old bugs to be fixed before you can even start considering a new feature, the new feature will never come. I agree on that.

They heavily advertised the game from PvP perspective and used words like Esports and such to attract competitive PvP players to the game.

Fixing bugs and getting game stable is called BETA, but for some reason they decided to call the game ready and started cashing with it.

Now I think i have every right to shout after these promised features as for now, the whole PvP only feels like an minigame merged into the PvE game.

And comparing things to wow is lame, as WoW created all of its features from scratch and thats not the deal here with gw2.

I main thief so i know what different stealths it got, but it doesnt still explain another thief attacking you for long periods without blowing his stealth.

And to be more accurate, im not saying he can spam backstab on me more than normal, just that he stays invisible.

Im constantly getting hit by invisible thiefs for 3 seconds before they become visible (and in some cases just stealth again) . Ive blamed lag for this. anyone else countering this issue?

We are speaking of just separating the premades from single joiners. Im not asking for some gamechanging mechanic changes or anything. Just make it playable.

Both groups would get more even games. I cant see anything negative in the whole thing.

Topic pretty much sums it.

8v8 zergballing is not entertaining for more than 1h and after that, the spamming gets really meaningless.
Also queuing against premades as a random group is a pain. (oh and PLS save the smart “random group can win a premade”-statement to yourself. ty)

Soon been a month from the release and we havent got ANYTHING on the pvp side.
Even the promised blog seems to take weeks to write. So frustrating.

Was reading forums earlier today and after i got annoyed by ½ being some 1 liners like “l2p issue/go back to wow/obvious troll is obvious” I replied to one of them by quoting him and asking why he picked just that1 out of them all.

Well after some hours I log back in to check if there is something new and i got a private message waiting, regarding the post i described above:

Moderator Notes:

Do not respond to trolls.

The message was deleted.
———————

Now what kind of message does that send to you?:D

It must have been a joke, right?

Shalashaska.4803:

keroksi.3076:

You do realize that rank only tells how hard you have been farming, right? And one of the best ways of doing it is running 5x thiefs and zerging everything that moves.
What comes to tournament wins, just play with premades and that only guarantees you more than 70% winrate.

but does he even have 20 tournament wins? is he even over rank 20?

I have played games with pugs and won against premades who try to do all mesmers, all warriors, and all thieves. It doesnt work plain and simple

Im sure everyone likes to believe there are op cant be beat classes but those people are just showing how unskilled they are in gw2.

I have over 124 tournament wins mostly in solo que. Trust me the competition is out there. This guy is just a troll.

Im rank 14 myself and i believe i would be lot more if i plaid a roamer, didnt defend points and play for the team in general.

I hate the op/up discussion myself, but i think player X winning 5 random mesmers on a day X doesnt qualify as a proof for mesmers not being OP (and pls DO understand that this is not my own opinion. I used mesmer just as an example.)

When battles are more than often 2v2+ the thing that annoys me the most is the amount of summons/pets/illusions and flashy effects that makes it literally impossible to see visuals on those 3 asuras that are running around you. Thus making abilities like 100blades and pistolwhip with haste a really stupid mechanic.

Downed state is a mess aswell.. I hate that it is (again) literally impossible to win a 1v2 against almost anything, no matter how much you outplay them.

Almost every profession being identic in looks is also annoying.

Gimmicky specs like the immortal deathblossom thief is justkitten (would be easy to fix, but their more worried about woman audios etc)

There is no option for targets target or enemies targeting you, so calling the combat skillbased is an insult.. its stratetic and nothing more. Move your peons to right places at right time and you win.

Id got loads more, but this is already getting totally derailed from what i intended to write so ill just hit the reply now and be happy with it

Shalashaska.4803:

Acoren.7843:

Shalashaska.4803

Quote: “L2P”
– If this stands for Learn To Play, you did not read my entire Post. I stated early that i am seeking competition, not that i was having a hard time.

Besides, why are you on a different side of me ?

what rank are you?
what is your highest pvp achievement?
how many tournaments have you won?
ss of your pvp achievement page?
I can size up your just a noob looking for attention on forums.

You do realize that rank only tells how hard you have been farming, right? And one of the best ways of doing it is running 5x thiefs and zerging everything that moves.
What comes to tournament wins, just play with premades and that only guarantees you more than 70% winrate.

Mrbig.8019:

at this point, i can only hope to have a good, competitive game after some months from now.

because the game is not competitive( no ladders, no custom matches, no ranking) neither balanced ( lol mesmers and guardians).

kittenon of bugs ( LoS ingored, pets following you EVERYWHERE in the map, stealth bugged as crap), this game is no different from the beta tons of us have already played.

At least, the game is fun: i’m leveling my char, something i wouldn’t do if PvP was actually fine, waiting for a HUGE rebalancing/bug fixing.

I’ll suggest you all to do the same.

I decided i wont even touch pve when i started gw2, but after a while the pvp came megaboring and unbearable, so i decided to try pve while waiting for fixes.
Now my char is lvl80 and i should either start farming dungeons (that i dont like btw) OR farm the event for that other pink thingy (karma?)(that i dont like aswell) So i come back to PvP forums to read whats up and i find out that there is nothing up. Their not even ready to put anything on text format.

So should I just throw the game into some corner and wait for a year or so for the beta period to stop. Or force myself to play this carbage a little each day to stay competitive.

Sjach Darasv.3729

So you agree that we are playing a BETA stage game, and actually had to pay to help Anet finish developing their game.

Quote: “….and be rewarded handsomly for doing so.”
- Can you explain how you get rewarded in anyway besides dressing up you charecter, like it was a doll.

if the game only has 1 way of “rewarding”, which do you think he was refering to?
and yes, it is “rewarding”, like it or not.

Actually the point was that making a constructive post just aint worth it?

I havent found anything good come out of any thread ppl have made here.
No matter how well the OP backs up his claims or how constructive he is
it ALWAYS turns to either “obvious troll is obvious”-spam or “go back to WoW”-spam

And let me also say that if a guy has been high rated in 3-5 other pvp games,
he has to understand those games really well, right? So what makes ppl think that
the guy couldnt suddenly understand this game? Just because its the omg supercool GW2?

Id love if ppl had to use their own names when they posted. It would atleast
make thekitten think before quoting the otherkitten and smashing the reply button.

Amen.

same way you got there..
hero panel → pvp tab → leave the mists

Shukran, i plaid gw1 when it launched, but we had this problem of getting 5 ppl online at the same time and the hotjoin was like it is now on gw2 actually =)

Hope they do something about it now, before i end up writing a post on gw3 forums, how i plaid gw2 when it launched

Some of you might have tried bloodline champios and know that 50% of the skill required dies right there when you dont have to actually aim your skills. Here they just land automaticly if the target aint dodging at that time. Well i knew that before purchasing this game and therefore aint even entitled to complain about this matter.

I know that this tab targeting system can work too, but at its current state its horrible.

For those who disagree id like to ask the following questions:

1. What kind of eyes do you have when you state that you can really see that asura warriors visual of bullcharge coming behind 3 mesmer illusion, 4 rockdogs and 2 thieves guilds + all the aoe effects that are on the middle and your camera that close to your ownkitten ?

2. Ok, lets say you can spot that important skill. Now what kind of mental powers you use to know who he is coming at? (atleast i havent found anything that displays targets target or enemies targeting you)

In a team, the only satisfaction you get is about how good you work as a team and move on the map. There is really little personal satisfaction of doing something well.

Only thing that is remotely keeping me even a little interested in this game atm is the 1on1 situations you get every now and then.

I agree 100%!

While we are at it, leave a pet to ranger and maybe 1 summonable pet to necro and just erase the rest.

I mean why should thief be able to put up 5 AI-fighters at one time, cmon?!

Skolops.2604:

You’re quite correct, but what you’ll very likely get is a series of responses telling you that this is all a matter of skill and that you just need to improve, when they cannot even do it themselves and are talking, not from experience, but rather from a place of wanting to try to find a way to defend the game in its current state.

The irony is that they’re doing the game a huge disservice. This game right now is not all that it could be, and I think all that it could be is really pretty good. If it’s ever going to get there, though, we need people to start looking honestly at its weaknesses and start working towards/pushing for/hoping for improvements.

Yeah, I knew that when I was writing it, but getting even this one reply where someone actually feels the same way, somehow made it already worth writing, so thanks for that.
ps. I also agree with the later part.

I hate to grind for gear and i love this idea of being able to just jump in and start playing.

BUT i find it hardly any fun to play this game cause of the following reasons:

1. the game has more pets/minions/illusions etc. than players.

2. roll a 5man team of asuras and name them alike. You cant tell the class by looking at one of them.

3. handful of builds that kill you in 2 seconds no matter what you are playing.

4. the fact that your camera is trying to peak into your @%# 50% of the time,
cause of the small areas you are forced to fight in.

5. the list would be endless but i think there is enough already to make my point.

Now picture a typical fight scene, say 3v3 on a point where 2 are mesmers with those lovely illusions
and phantasms and a thief with thiefs guild + ambush and lets also throw in some random rockdogs.
There you are standing trying to keep the camera well positioned and keep
a track what class stands and where and what is the real mesmer while trying to do something
constructive yourself too.
Your whole screen is full of rainbow colors flying everywhere and then it happens, the thief jumps on you
with haste and all other possible cd’s he got and your dead 1sek later.

I believe that there is that 3% of the community who can actually see that little asura emotion
where he loads that haste or bullscharge and knows its coming to him.
But that really doesnt comfort me that much.

So my opinion is that the PVP at its current state is really far from “FUN”.