Guild Wars 2

I dream… and in that dream my ranger can use aquatic skills and pets everywhere
they are all superior to their above the waves conterparts

I had the reverse experience with this quest. When i finished the cutscene and appeared on the row boat (i hit the skip button if that make a difference) I spoke to Crusader Eilye Jeyne then when I finished speaking with her, ALL waves including the boss for the first boat appeared and attacked us before we had even moved off the row boat – the rest of the quest went normally after that though

I liked player housing in Lotro – our whole guild had a neighborhood to itself
and while maybe mostly vanity, it does provide an extra thing to sell cash shop vanity items for as well as TP vanity items for so don’t underestimate its value to the community

oh and can someone from GoM tell Styx he won the poetry contest on the HoD forums -
Theftwind was asking for contact info to get the winnings to him

mginn.4502:

Btw… To the other Denravians, have we lost players or is everyone PvEing? The last few days in WvW have felt flat out dead everytime I’ve been on.

check our community forums – also I know I don’t speak for everyone but with all the incoming changes (not just rating reset) and new content (I actually logged into GW1 and did the Canthan new year quests to get a celestial ox) I’m just focusing on PvE atm and really have spent much time in WvW at all

I know I’m not alone in feeling we may have focused too much on WvW which isn’t helping our community of newer players trying to get through Orr and aquire gear so we actually opened and had open all the temples at one point also there are new exotic back and accessories available at them now go go new Grenth soldier gear

Also one final shout out to TeamBattleAxe, the RH guild, and all of GoM you guys have done a great job reorganizing. Darkhaven we wish you the best as well, I know we will have the same matchup next week but I may not even bother posting in the WvW forums for a bit so thought it was good to post this now on a Friday before reset salute

Habib Loew.6239:

we saw large population changes as people settled in to their home servers. This means that the WvW teams being fielded by many of the worlds are now dramatically different.

First, kudos, glad those other servers dont have to go through weeks of torture
Second, where is the apology to ET, HoD, and other servers that were MORE effected than the current ones are (IoJ maybe almost as bad), also asked for a reset and got nothing but 15 weeks of losses including 10 weeks of complete spawn campings

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

I agree, a ~100 player floor per map would be reasonable.

reasonable for what tier? 100 player per map is ludicrous in T7 and T8 may as well not even have one

and why merge the bottom servers so ALL WVW can be ZERG BALLS stop it already make the map caps tiered with 8/9 having the lowest

Actium, it has been some fun matches but i don’t think you guys will be down here for too long in a few weeks you guys should be up a tier an maybe ioj or someone else will be down here – glad you guys are doing better people on HoD know how hard it can be to rebuild so hats off

TeamBattleAxe did you join RH?
kudos to GoM for their efforts in WvW and rebuilding – in the end I think GoM and us are going to get some transfers when pay for transfers go live as we should be cheaper – looking forward to the fights GoM always brings it

oh duh sorry actually started writing this so give you the score
DH 39.7K
HoD 25.2k
GoM 20.8k

Buddy.7563:

Sororita.3465:

so dh got transfers, hod apparently got transfers…so come GoM next mmk?

Yes. We would really appreciate it if you two could, instead, focus on each other while we wait for transfers.
Edit: Also, how is it that HoD has outmanned buff there? :/

we were not outnumbered by GoM – we were vastly outnumbered by DH – we held that garrison for what one tick before DH rofld our waffles

Thanks for pointing that out Krag – I’m the little asura almost in the middle of the shot with a TA tag

Grimm.2906:

I just transferred over and so far I’ve been impressed with the WvW community. It seems active and organized compared to the world I came from.

welcome looks for milk and cookies be sure and stop by the community site Talia.7412 linked in her post and introduce yourself

Fizzlepip.5218:

Sure it was [RE] not [SE] or [RTH]? The latter two are still around or have somewhat returned, but I haven’t seen any Rethesis around since they left.

whats up with the 20 questions – it’s not a matt te’o girlfriend sighting sigh

the tag was [RE] AND the name was Rethesis

I figured they either moved back (big deal) or a few got bored and transferred back for a week (not a big deal) so I asked

Ninya.3942:

kreese.9461:

so did some/most/all of RE move back to Darkhaven? I saw some RE and at least one RE commander in EB last night – also looks like DH is going to have to move up a tier

Uh nope, definitely a Kain guild now

We merged with DE so I’m sure we both have stragglers back there.

well this wasn’t a solo person and it was a Rethesis commander so… I had to ask
maybe someone got bored with Kain’s current match and decided to help DH this week? Not that i blame them has been another good one but i still think DH is consistently putting more out on more maps than ourselves and GoM

HoD and GoM both need about 30~40 more serious WvW players during NA primetime to keep up with you guys

Dark Aidget.3879:

You must be biting your nails right now, because BP vs AR is going to be down to the wire…

While BP and AR are close it is the WHOLE match that counts so T7 is closer than T6 which is about the only thing i got right this week lol thanks transfers

so the way it works is
step 1) pick winners of all NA tiers
step 2) pick the match with the least difference in points between 1st and 3rd
step 3) pick the margin of victory for the winner of the match we picked in step two
(closeness counts, even k’s only no 1999 for example)
step 4) the person/persons with the best picks right wins/splits the winnings
so for next week I was thinking

SoS
SoR
Mag
Kain
EB (closest match?) ~20k
AR (closest match?) ~30k
DH (closest match?) ~30k
SF

I kinda know what im dealing with with T6 and T7 but T5 I just have no idea

T5 next week is Isle of Janthir v Ehmry Bay v Devona’s Rest

I mean someone has to win it. Not that I am betting in game money with someone on it or anything (btw anet I would love to be able to do this via a Lions Arch npc bookie)

I’m going to go with Ehmry Bay by 20k but would love a perspective from someone in the tier

the others were easy – well i picked AR to edge BP out in T6

so did some/most/all of RE move back to Darkhaven? I saw some RE and at least one RE commander in EB last night – also looks like DH is going to have to move up a tier

Our current T7 matchup is the best and I’m sooo looking forward to another week – huge thanks to DH and GoM

I wrote this for another forum but thought I would re-post here so the people from DH and GoM could enjoy – apologies to Clement Clarke Moore

’twas the night before reset and all through the map
not a creature was stirring not even a dolyak
The map was locked down by the Henge crew
In hopes that soon a victory would loom

A sole hero stood atop greenbriar’s broad tower walls
with sword at the ready in case the enemy did call
Yet no hint of Darkhaven nor GoM did appear
And all was still on the southern frontier

When south of the tower a lightning bolt flashed
The oil was damaged but where was the enemy at
Our Hero looked intently, determined to find
whatever culling had still hidden from eyes

And then, in a twinkling, what did appear
a huge quaggan zerg lead by a deer
with precision and haste several rams were constructed
the gates wouldn’t hold long, our hero had to do something

Jumping down from the highest point of the tower wall
the specially traited damage breaking the fall
Splat! the quaggans tumbled to the mighty falling blow
But for how long could our hero possibly hold

The quaggans recovered, focused on their task
The tower would be theirs and they resumed the attack
Our hero out numbered was ganked almost at once
As the gate shattered open, the quaggans had won

The problem here is that the EU and US are separate systems – if you are on a EU server you can’t guest on a US one and vice versa – so to make this happen they need to remove that barrier which i would like for them to do but don’t see it happening soon

tons of fun again this week – hats off to RH guild making our borderlands a constant war zone – now stop making me work so hard for supplies

Waffler.1257:

Just a thread to speculate on the new tiers after all the servers settle.

Tier 1: SoS-BG-JQ
Tier 2: SoR-Mag-Kain
Tier 3: TC-FA-SBI
Tier 4: DB-YB-CD
Tier 5: DR-AR-EB
Tier 6: HoD-BP-NS
Tier 7: DH-GoM-IoJ
Tier 8: SF-FG-ET

well HoD would need a good number of transfers to leave T7 as we have THE LOWEST server population of any US server, we did get a good number of holiday new comers which has help us considerably – strangely our main issue is with low numbers during US primetime but we have two large off hour guilds which is the main reason we won last week

ok TeamBattleAxe after speaking to some folks sanity has prevailed – this weeks score is just too close to allow it – but that just means you can hunt my little asura down in HoD borderlands

sorry all but NO FIGHT NIGHT THIS WEEK

Again I would just like to thank the GoM and DH players for a great week and I am thankful we are matched again next week – at this point ANYONE can win this tier and THAT is worth it – i think we have all had both outmanned and queues this week

We have meet some REALLY good skilled players and look forward to future fights
We hope to clean up some of the newer folks less tasteful actions

ALSO, if we want to have a FIGHT NIGHT then TONIGHT is the night we need to do it
It is short notice but if the RH guys from GoM can group some HoD guys from LK, CV, or GT then all we need is a good contact for the DH server maybe Actium from OFA?

hey who wants to see two golems duke it out…

TheDaiBish.9735:

I guess you couldn’t outrun a centaur…

I had much time to commune with Grenth that day

Look at it this way the longer they are spending time dancing on your corpse the less they are actually accomplishing points wise

I think we are all thankful to have DH in our tier this week I hope the DH players find it as fun as we do – this tier has far more skirmish type fighting which i really like

Kormir is a lie, there is only Grenth.
To Grenth, I give sacrifice.
Through sacrifice, I gain corruption.
Through corruption, I gain transformation.
Through transformation, my bonds are broken.
The god of death and ice welcomes me.

http://imgur.com/vjt0g

I think Commander Siegerazer was leading them!

It had been a long hard fought day in WvW of endless zergs…
We desired to have lunch on this hillside with a beautiful view
Then this happened

http://imgur.com/cMGlL

you.. will.. all..
die

Xyanide.8650:

Technically speaking, yes, just like ppl exploit into stonemist and towers. However if you exploit into enemy spawn you cannot kill anything and will be one shot by legendary guards

you don’t have to exploit anything to get in enemy camp or citadel you can walk in with a thief no problem at all – if this is really not allowed I would like to know we will cancel any future dance parties in the enemy citadel

Silke.1695:

Firstly, I’d like to say a big Thank you to RE for putting the Fight Club event together. It was great fun!

Also, I went as a spectator only and took a lot of screen shots. Since I had so many, I decided to create them into a storyboard form. I hope you guys enjoy it.

http://s234.beta.photobucket.com/user/Spotty_photos/story/8701

Thank you very much Silke!!
I was hoping someone was doing what you did

GoM we can resume our normal T7 play in a few hours with… Darkhaven?

I wish Kaineng the best /salute

Hexin.5603:

kreese.9461:

Hiya Kain and GoM,

Bugg’s duel
http://i.imgur.com/NABlq.jpg?1

I love this pic btw, thanks for sharing. Big crowd, great effects captured, even a golem in there =) nice job

I understood that RE was prepared to do a Golem vs Golem fight but no one from HoD or GoM built one – during this time Kaineng was intentionally lax on defense so it was easy for either to build one I kinda wish someone had would liked to have seen two golems duke it out

Tossed Fikitten380:

Kreese stealing my Screeny. My spotlight is ruined!

actually i was JUST about to post that it was your screenshot I just put it on imgur and posted here – I figured most people knew i was just the town crier in Lions Arch so I wasn’t there most of the fights – you can get a sense of just how popular this must be with the RE guild as there are only a few other Kaineng there but TONS of RE guild members

if anyone else has screenshots they would like to share imgur.com is really easy to use and i KNOW people had to be taking tons of screenies

come on now you shutterbugs lets end this thread on a good note

Ninya.3942:

Still says not available on mobile

sorry Ninya it pulled up for me

did you try just putting the url in manually?

Ninya.3942:

Link is an embed link and when you actually get to it on a phone its not available on mobile

hang on checking with the mobile…
ok try it now

Tossed Fikitten380:

Hiya Kain and GoM,

Some of you remember me, I’m Tossed Fish, the messenger on vent for Fight Club representing HoD.

I just want to let you that we had a blast. As a vet in WvW for HoD, we get stomped week after week. Even after this painful week, Kain managed to pull out something really fun for us at the end. Every one of my guys enjoyed themselves which makes me very happy. It was well organized with very little communication. I’d like to think I did a good job. lol.

As for the last 5v5 we had, I know you guys got upset for the staking. We didn’t do for badges, if we wanted badges, we would have staked after every fight. I knew the rules, but they got trigger happy and figured staking counts b.c they thought you can rally/revive. So that was bad communication on my part.

Anyway. Thank you all! Especially [RE] for putting this together!

When I was spamming Lions Arch I didn’t mention the no staking during my first announcement but made sure to mention no staking subsequently – sorry probably my bad there – Thanks again to the RE guild and other Kaineng players for arranging this and the GoM players who participated – I think we may adopt the practice going forward

video from one of the LK guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-Z4giYys4

Bugg’s duel
http://i.imgur.com/NABlq.jpg?1

I’ve been spamming Lion’s Arch on HoD for the fight club – seems like we have a decent turn out – thanks to the Kaineng guys who set it up

DivineBeing.2086:

Ok, that isn’t a very fair comparison.

SoR is having to deal with us (Blackgate). Our overnight coverage is prety hardcore too. No offense to Dragonbrand but I doubt they are facing an overnight coverage like a tier 2/tier 1 server can provide.

i dont remember the poster asking for great overnight coverage that could put points on a T1 server and Dragonbrand will be in the same match up next week they are this week so if they move up too far they will have issues but they are actually in a great fairly even match up with two stable servers and will likely stay there for awhile – the match up above them also looks stable

so is it fair to SoR no but is it fair Honolulu has this for weather like 365 days a year 78°F (26°C), Wind E at 10 mph (16 km/h), 58% Humidity

Levian, I don’t have a dog in this fight but I would say you probably need to check out DragonBrand – they have only scored less than 100k in a matchup ONCE and their scoring evolution suggests they steadily hold good portions of their borderlands at all hours – compare that to say SoR whose scoring evolution hit as low as 35 points during the past week

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/ this weeks scoring evolution
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/#history their server matchup history

sheldon.3825:

np, we got numbers that u guys couldn’t get.
and soon we will be moving up tier.
so don’t be so upset that we flipped t7 this week.
it will be all urs by this coming friday

Sheldon, T7/8 will continue to get flipped over and over again until anet stops the server transfer abuse – in the mean time we get brief periods of playable wvw

Besetment.9187:

Hrmm, its true that DR is the smallest server with the lowest coverage in tier 5 and they could use some more players (in Oceanic timezone particularly) but I’m not sure why you guys want to keep moving up the ranking. Glicko rating is strongly correlated to WvW population and timezone coverage. Around tier 4, all servers have pretty active domestic timezone coverage and a little off peak. Above that its all about closing gaps in off peak coverage.

It has been traditionally very difficult to convince Oceanic, Asia and European guilds to transfer to a server that does not a significant Oceanic, Asia and European community respectively. Many people who play WvW also want to do stuff outside WvW. They want to run dungeons, do the holiday events etc and its just more fun when theres a load of people to party up with in your timezone.

I think the desire for players to make rank is one of the most harmful things in WvW right now. More people should be looking to get into fair matches since those are the most fun for all players in the bracket.

Which tier you go to depends on the kind of game you like to play. The low tier servers have low population and coverage so the style of gameplay is much more grounded in guerilla warfare, small team play and stealth capture. In the higher tiers its much more grounded in siege deadlocked keep/tower warfare round the clock because they have the numbers and coverage to sustain larger scale battles throughout the day. There is much less scope for ninja play and 5 on 5s.

Its a shame that so many players keep treating low tier servers as pet projects to rise through the rankings for completely arbitrary purposes. Many of these servers would have an extremely healthy small team warfare meta going on, if it weren’t for all the bracket stacking.

I personally love ninja plays and small team open field combat. I find siege deadlocked keep warfare exhausting and stressful where you absolutely have to control x supply camps and defend x tower for 5 hours straight against a relentless onslaught of 40 imbeciles autoattacking your gate down.

Tiers are not good indicators of ability or progress. They are good indicators of population and coverage. Players should go to the bigger servers if they want to play large scale battles round the clock against equally big servers.

Players should go to smaller servers for creative small team plays and stealth capture against equally small servers.

I think that sorting servers by population and timezone coverage and giving players more information about the population and timezone coverage of a server, will help them make the right choice. Match making should be between servers of similar size with some way to server vote to get into matchups with slightly bigger or smaller servers for people that want to play asymetric (guerilla) warfare.

Whether you go large scale or small scale, you are honing completely different sets of skills. Sometimes its nice to test them against each other, but not when PPT is 0/0/695 and everyone quits out of boredom.

sorry but this is one of the best post I’ve seen in these forums full stop
I do wish DR the best though I think they need a few more to equalize out in T5

Nice to see that KWBH is on ET

edit: i’m on HoD but I’ve always felt a kinship with the ET server and root for them

more players in t7 and t8 is fine but should t8 wvw have t4 wvw pop?
so we give it a lower cap that is all
the important thing here is we implement the priority queue so if a said guild goes down to help a low tier server they don’t get queued behind all the bandwagon riders who pop in the week after they see the score on http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Llyrx, I am not talking about you, your guild, or your server
Did you actually read my suggestions? If anything those suggestions would actually help your guilds on Kaineng as you would get queued ahead of any bandwagon riders – please reconsider you may find you support my suggestion after all

being from HoD i know all too well the effect that bandwagon riders can have

fellyn.5083:

kreese.9461:

I disagree with sudden large WvW player base transfers to lower tier servers

It DESTROYS existing communities as they get overrun by the new comers
and the evitable tide of bandwagon riders

It DESTROYS tier balance

I disagree with the complete lack of reward for staying on a server

I have created a forum post on the suggestions forum to address this
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-player-base-transfers/first#post1169047

So if we move to high tier servers we’re only after easy victories, but if we move to low tier servers we mess up “exiting communities”. What are we supposed to do then? We tried fixing our old server and that didn’t work due to so many irreparable issues. Our community died. So again, what are we supposed to do?

Free transfers are only a symptom of the problem that Anet created with how the rankings work. If you absolutely have to blame some one or something, put the blame where it’s due: Anet.

you had 17 other options outside of T7 and T8 and i would say transferring down to T7 and T8 is the “easy victories” at least in the upper tiers you are facing equal numbers – I would never say you shouldn’t transfer sometimes things just don’t work out i get it and i would not say you or your guild and certainly not Kaineng is the problem far from it – it is the system currently in place which is exactly what my suggestion tries to address

Also as time goes by and word gets out Kaineng is likely to become a victim of many transfers that if the community there (including you) had an ability to choose would vote them off the server – it is one of the same things that caused TA to break up back in the day on HoD

Blaeys.3102:

People keep saying that a large guild transferring to a lower population realm was a problem.

I play on a lower population server (one currently matched against Kaineng if that means anything) and I say it is part of the solution the game needs to stay healthy for years to come. We need more large guilds to choose to transfer from full to lower population servers – not less.

What most people on lower tier servers are afraid of is that the people that transfer will be jerks. I personally think the kind of people that will willing give up spots on the top tier “winning” server are exactly the kind of personalities that would fit with the populations on these servers.

There need to be greater incentives for transferring to/playing on lower population servers. That wil help to create a balance the game needs for long term health.

yes small amounts of transfers over time note my post addresses sudden large guild transfers to T7 and T8 that immediately imbalance the tier and does NOT PREVENT anyone from transferring to any server- it just creates a bias to favor long term veteran WvW players on a given server and caps the map population for a server to something the other servers might have half a chance at matching on at least one map – it is no more fun to totally lock out an opponent than it is to be locked out

they shouldn’t be bound at all – you can be killed while holding one and the enemy can get the siege so why can’t you give it to your commander??

totally agree with this – we have discussion about this in mumble all the time

I disagree with sudden large WvW player base transfers to lower tier servers

It DESTROYS existing communities as they get overrun by the new comers
and the evitable tide of bandwagon riders

It DESTROYS tier balance

I disagree with the complete lack of reward for staying on a server

I have created a forum post on the suggestions forum to address this
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-player-base-transfers/first#post1169047

I disagree with sudden large WvW player base transfers to lower tier servers

It DESTROYS existing communities as they get overrun by the new comers
and the evitable tide of bandwagon riders

It DESTROYS tier balance

I disagree with the complete lack of reward for staying on a server
The mechanics of the game actively encourages you to leave a server
need map completion, transfer
need a better this or a more active that for WvW, transfer
need better buffs for pve, transfer

To provide a reward for server loyalty the following should be implemented on all servers
a WvW queue priority based on the number of weeks an account has been on the server

To protect existing communities on T8 and T7 servers
the following should be implemented on tier 7 and 8 servers
(higher tiers seem to have enough population to naturally enforce this
but if not lower caps there should be considered as well)
Lower the map cap dramatically for T7 and T8
to match the actual number a normal T7 and T8 server can have

This will not disable either lone player transfers or even sudden large WvW player base transfers but will enable the existing community to have some say on how those new transfers are assimilated on the server

I would like to add that WvW lockouts on transfers is not as good an option simply because to make it enough of a barrier you would have to make it quite long and I would not want to lock anyone out of WvW for weeks simply because they transferred servers

Additionally, I would like to add that charging for transfers is also not as good of an option due to guilds funding transfers for their members – several large guilds have already stated if paid transfers go in they will fund any moves for their members. This does not mean they shouldn’t charge for transfers but that it cannot be relied on to protect lower tier server communities

Community should mean something, longevity on server should mean something, WvW should be more than fotm server hopping it should be about community vs community with grudges, friendship, and respect for one another forged in battle in the Mists

sorry Lightsbane.9012 does that mean you think a cap should be higher or lower for T7? T8?

what number do you think a normal T7 or T8 server can legitimately field? not being snarkey actually asking

I’m thinking at our peak (friday server reset) we have around 200~250 so if we divide that by 4 maps we get 50-60ish
GoM is higher than us probably can do 75 a map

so if you want to say 75 a map for T7 and 50 a map for T8 with the priority queue that would seem reasonable but we all know Kaineng has far more than T7 or T8 WvW pop so you would have to put up with a queue for a few weeks

I just really want the overrunning of established communities by large amounts of server transfers to stop

since I said this in the DR thread I’ll say this here
Kaineng wasn’t a T8 server before WM went there
They would have prob made it to T5 without them
With WM they will prob go to T4

that said I don’t like large wvw transfers I think they need to protect T8 and T7
1) Implement wvw queue priority based on the number of weeks an account has been on the server
2) Lower the map cap to 20 for T8
Lower the map cap to 30 for T7