Good lord… to the previous servers we faced… yea you havent seen zerging… :p
Not a complaint jealous we cant match the massed numbers against us at the moment.
DR guys, HoD was in tier 1….
trust me I’ve seen more servers and tiers than the majority of people
I predicted you guys were a T5 server and behold i was spot on
I will further predict that Kaineng is better than the servers currently in T5
ET as always the folks here on HoD salute you, we are the only ones who know what it’s like
anet i think we deserve a title…
sever transfer survivor
or
got guesting?
or maybe
I used to have rating like you then I took an… nah that one doesn’t really work
very true I think GoMs performance this week has spurred NSP to pick it up a bit here toward the end where as they might have normally just coasted
the whole who gets to stay in T7 or go to T8 thing though may be flawed
think about it – the way out of T8 is for someone to loose there way into it – DR was in T8 even after winning what 8 straight weeks – it was only after ET came down that they escaped – however next week is unique since SF and HoD are so close in rating and Kaineng is just going to rofl T7’s waffles – result: whoever goes to T8 is probably going to gain 20 points of rating next week while the other is going to loose around 50 points of rating – so the longer term result would be this weeks winner actually being the “loser” and possibly getting stuck in T8 for quite awhile
To the OP and any other rangers. In case you never realized it, you can use your pet skills when downed. This is why i love my grey wolf and that’s all i say about it. I get out of downed state quite often as a ranger because of this.
using your pet to kill a zero hitpoint mosquito is just kinda cheap
using your pet to pull a deer into the enemy zerg thats better but still
Ele: I’ll just walk through that portal, thank you
Thief: Glad I dropped shadow refuge upfront, or I’d be dps’ed down in seconds
Necromancer: back in a sec guys ^^
Warrior: please let only one stomp me… a few more seconds… okay, now I gotta kill something dies, then dies again 2 seconds after respawning
Guardian: please please let them only try to stomp me once, and all at the same time… please?
Engineer: let’s pull someone towards me, where he can’t do anything… oh, wait…
Mesmer: Weee teleporter! Now where do we set those coordinates…
Ranger: opens map
I’m going to miss this matchup
and wow the point difference between HoD and SF is to close to even call at this point
There WILL be action all the way to the bell
great fights last night in GoM BL and EB – HoD and SF kept GoM busy on several maps
i have transmuted my Wraith Masque from newb to level 80 and since i first transmuted the look onto an item with an upgrade slot it has had an upgrade slot
What is with the PVP and HoD guilds from SF glitching our keeps and twrs you people should be ashamed of yourselves, I have witnessed on several occasions this evening. I was feeling poorly that your server was getting pounded but not any longer.
I hope the legit guilds see this and either get on you guys for giving yer server a not so tasty rep or just up and leave.
it has been a sad sad day in WvW
Late Last night I had two from SF follow me into Bluebriar and kill me. I watched them leave and they didn’t try to take it. I never experienced it before. I didn’t even get a chance to take screenshots because it was a thief and a mesmer
Is that why was glitching is? Is that why I’ve been seeing dead quartermasters and workers sometimes?
sounds likely – though i also have seen guards spawn in of the wrong faction but it doesn’t seem like that was the cause in your case
fix the current match up. 3rd place gets dropped down a tier, first place moves up a tier. That way we dont have scenarios of fighting the same server week after week.
this – remove the completely useless and unnecessary rating system making it easier for loosing servers to move down to appropriate tiers and wining ones to move up
lower the zone caps on low tier servers
give priority in wvw queues based on length of time on server
you can queue up an upgrade but I always puzzle how a large group that just defended a gate/wall can’t take 5 mins to run to a camp get supply run back and repair at least once – they always seem to leave it to one or two players to do
Kreese from HoD here and I would seriously ask you to consider ET – those guys fight like hell and have been through it too
if you want the opposite of zerg then that is ET they have always had to rely on tactics and grit as they haven’t had the numbers for zerging – also good to see ET earning a great rep down in T8 I knew they would
not in its current unbalanced state. however i wouldn’t mind a wvw map added that was 90% underwater including the fortifications. would certainly change the mechanics of wvw and perhaps force anet to give some real thought to balancing the classes underwater
im a necro not an aquaman but even i would like an underwater map for wvw – people need to round out their skills
@Fenrir
I don’t think you really have an issue with people walking to the buff – think about it in some areas you walk out of your camp and pass the imaginary line and the buff goes away or comes back, like at your main exit in an enemy borderland – so i maintain that if the WHERE was different the walking in and out of the buff wouldn’t matter – it is the fact it is SO darn close to those camps that is the REAL issue here
will everyone, HoD included get over people standing in the determined areas,
how about you stop trying to kill them in their spawn because that is what it is – I may not like how close their spawn is to a camp – the middle is ok but the side ones they dump right into it and it is just silly close but THAT is a different argument
Now I WILL agree that if you are under that buff you should not be able to do damage (anet would then need to take those yellow mobs out of the immunity zone)
So it appears to have a bit of a morale problem in this thread. I know we’re getting beat this week guys, but this is FAR from our worst performance over the past 3 months. I know it stings a little bit more, since we were doing so well last week, but this is far from the days when we were locked to 1 tower and 1 supply camp in BL at the busiest time of the week.
I clearly can’t force anyone not to take a PVE-cation for the next 2 weeks, but it’ll be important to keep things up as much as possible. If we beat SF this week, we likely stay in T7, if we hang on next week, we likely end up with a GoM, HoD, AR/NSP T7. It’ll be a tough couple of weeks, but we just need to hold ’er together a little longer.
I don’t mind loosing for two more weeks , but it is the likely T7 matchup with GoM and AR/NSP that concerns me. That could end up being long term…. does anyone really think that’s going to be a good balanced fight?
let’s be honest GoM is pulling punches this week – they could be spawn camping us – adding AR/NSP to that is NOT going to be good – hitting T8 and meeting up with servers of similar population even though it was taking MONTHS is what kept me sane i could even live with T7 but to say we are the same size as GoM and AR/NSP.. please they have mistakes bigger than we are
and SF must already be on a WvW holiday or have had a ton of transfers off the server (which is what I’m told) as they beat us badly 4 weeks ago
At the end of it all the thing that kitten us may be the only thing that can restore balance as anet isn’t lifting a finger till February and you can imagine my thoughts on that….
there are alot of us on HoD re-considering WvW right now
no fault of GoM or Kaineng they are doing well and I’m happy for them but getting
stuck in the bottom of T7 for the foreseeable future…
we are better off running fractals, leveling alts, and helping the new players that just joined our server during the holiday
gotta love how doing anything but following the zerg is penalized
what wanna upgrade pfft give me gold and karma lol
what wanna build siege and a defense lol give me gold
it really does seem backwards doesnt it – it is like they WANT zergs and only zergs so dang you people stop defending and upgrading you are messing with our zergs
siege should not be bound at all period
also keep in mind that you can take siege from an enemy player
see them placing…
see theif ambush them…
see siege fall on ground and pick it up for yourself
it’s not so much that they never ran away with the points – it is that anet’s ratings system is a VERY slow plodder – you move up slowly and down slowly – if you are ranked number 1 at say a rating of 2400 and your server totally quit wvw it would take 12 weeks to fall to the bottom – if you are in the bottom tier you have to over achieve to move up – so it took DR 9 weeks straight of winning to move up a single tier – and actually DR may not of moved up had ET not moved down – so lets not defend the ratings system by saying FC and Kaineng held them in T8 no.. it was anet’s ratings system
so you have a wvw playerbase that can change fairly drastically from week to week (participation, xfers, etc) on a given server and a rating system that can’t
Anvil Rock awaits your imminent arrival DR although you may be surprised at how much the population increases from tier to tier, so be ready to bring your best around the clock and expect to lose a lot of sleep. @kreese looks like that will be happening match up after next if the current trend continues.
too bad it has taken 10+ weeks for the ratings system to come to that conclusion
I don’t see why WvW is the game’s gold sink at all. It should be like holding the smaller points and supply camps. The more players standing in the circle for a certain time the higher upgrades you get. That would get players to actually work together and want to defend points. Defense rewards are also too small.
The idea that individual players should basically throw away personal gold on upgrades is silly, and discourages participation.
great idea
this needs to be put in as a suggestion – obviously the upgrades would still require supplies
The interesting thing is that Devona’s was stuck at T8 for some time and now it going up fast… Maybe another SoS is comming?
grats DR take that well known T8 grit into T6
Jeknar – blame the same daft rating system that crushed ET and HoD as it also held DR in T8 even though they won 9 weeks straight – how do you win 9 weeks straight and not move up come on anet your rating system stinks worse than bad cheese
Sorry i wasn’t there to help Raven and I understand but i don’t blame DR
It’s anet that needs to ensure wvw is fun for all – it is on them – they held DR, Kaineng in T8 while pummeling HoD and ET for weeks on end – it boggles the mind how they allowed it – they should have manually edited the ratings to enforce sanity
if i were to create the T8 and T7 matchups for next week, I would move DR up to T6, then create the following matchups to see how the servers fair against each other – would GoM dominate? would SF show up (they can)? or would Kaineng bring the T8 grit and win it all? Would ET and HoD be able to hold against FC or would FC run away it?
T7
Gate of Madness
Kaineng
Sorrow’s Furnace
T8
Ferguson’s Crossing
Henge of Denravi
Eredon Terrace
I don’t know about you but I prefer my matchups for next week about 1000% more than the daft ones anet is going to give us
that’s what Tei is trying to tell you – this is how it is normally on HoD – this is our normal turn out minus a few holiday exceptions – the people you are trying to talk to (the ones from the first day of the matchup) don’t likely read this forum got their monthlies or whatever done logged and we wont see them again until next matchup – I don’t fault them it is not their job to WvW they joined to pve and those large numbers of people who did join the server to WvW transfered off 10+ weeks ago – we know who we are and what we are and came to terms with it weeks ago please don’t worry we will rebuild we may not be many but we still have fight
You speak as if we didn’t get pounded quite a bit before we were able to rise up. Get some Cajones.. pull some people together and push .. just think of how good of a morale boost it would be to take something that has steel walls… even if we do take it right back.
You DR people need stop comparing henge to your server. Your first sentence illustrates the reason very clearly. You were at the bottom and went up. We were at the top and came down. Your road to the prestigious tier of 7 was filled with morale boosting rallies and victories. Henge had to lose week after week against bigger and better servers than DR. Our situations couldn’t be more different. Drop from first tier before you act like DR is more tenacious than us.
The only people left doing WvW with any regularity are the people who have lost many times before. Don’t act like your server broke Henge’s morale. Anyone who gets discouraged easily is either not very interested in WvW or left the server already. As if we’re still on the server after all the previous defeats, but DR’s amazing tactics and insurmountable numbers are just crushing our spirits. The number of people you’re seeing has been the norm for a long time. Accounting for Wintersday and real world holidays, the lack of a large Henge presence has nothing to do with anything DR has done.
I agree but I don’t think they mean anything ill by it – they are really just now starting to glimpse what can happen to a server in WvW given anets daft rankings and transfer policy and it really scares them – they take a look and realize there is NOTHING stopping large guilds from transferring to their server artificially raising their ranking and leaving them to drop with losses
Thing is given they have an established WvW player base so i doubt that base will transfer off easily and they should be able to stop any downward spiral around T5/6
We and ET on the other hand had the largest amount of transfer off a server(s) ever recorded in a single week (no link to back this up but i doubt anyone would say otherwise) happen the same time as one week matches started – the timing could not of been worse – so the WvW core on HoD and ET is far smaller and far more ticked off than those on other servers
You should admire our conviction in refusal to die, we will not become the next Henge or Eredons Terrace, even though it seems that others are working against us.
Keep up the good work NSP.
Cacumen Ad Gloria,
Glory to the Peaks.
you are in no danger of becoming HoD or ET anytime soon
neither HoD or ET has had a win in 12 weeks and has scored over 100k only twice
btw you can’t fall from T1 to T8 in less than 12 weeks ask anet why and check the matchup history on http://mos.millenium.org for proof
Let’s be honest why would HoD be motivated? We are close to dropping to T8 if Kaineng can do a better. I cant say what is up with SF – they crushed us just 3 weeks ago so either they have had alot of WvW transfer off as they did loose both of the following weeks since or they are just choosing to not participate for whatever reason (also trying to get in T8?)
T6 should be better for you and I would expect T5 to be a real challenge – again sorry your were stuck in T8 for so long and grats on breaking out despite anets daft rating system
even being on HoD I would not of asked for the NPC commanders had they asked I would rather of had a defensive buff that would allow us to give the other servers a better far less boring fight
You guys have enough in SF to beat DR. It is no ones fault ppl gave up after day one. You guys had a zerg bigger than DRs on first day that took out the bottom 2 keeps on DRs map in minutes and destroyed DR. If you had kept that up it wuda been a even fight between SF and DR. So its no ones fault but your servers that you have lost 12 times. Also DR only won 9 times cus they could put up 3 times the amount of ppl on a map in tier 8 and kaineng or ferg didnt have any where near enough to counter. Which is how it won 9 times.
Please do your research before you start QQing.
so i post the factual results of the past 12 weeks and you reply with ya but.. and argue with the results maybe you have more of a disagreement with anet’s scoring system than i do
anets only telling you what your server is doing lol. It aint their fault you guys lost 12 times.
indirectly it is.. anet ranking system kept us artificially high – too high for us to win so we dropped players which caused us to perform worse the next week so we dropped players, rinse, wash, repeat – I get where you are coming from but to say anet is blameless in what happened to ET and HoD is just flat wrong
outmanned should not apply to EB map – this should be the map that determines winning and loosing
on borderlands I like another suggestion (sorry cant find the link) but it was something where the more of your home borderland was lost the less damage you took from invaders
@kreese.9461
I hear what you are saying and you pose great questions.
Each week there is the opportunity for guilds to transfer and sway the balance of some tiers, either good or bad. DR has only experienced fighting BP, Kain and Ferg. I can only speak on my experience fighting Kain’s and Fergs as I moved from CD, but the fights have been intense. You can see that by the score comparisons each week. I for one honestly had no idea what to expect this week (needless to say this wasn’t what I had hoped for). I’ll admit I didn’t do any research or cared to do any on the upcoming match.
I’d assume some people were mad we were in T8 for so long but the fights we had made WvWvW fun. I’d trade 3 servers fairly even any day over one controlling the entire map and could care less about what tier I was in. We don’t get anything for being in a certain tier so really I ask what’s in a tier?
Finally final score isn’t important to me (but I know it is to some). I can’t control where we are placed and how well other servers perform, so why should I let it bother me.
I also don’t know the entire history of HoD but it’s safe to safe the first week matchup “may” have had a competitive tone to it as you did come in 2nd. Either way don’t take this in any way a negative response. I only desired to answer the questions you had posed from my viewpoint.
TLDR- As long as the matches are competitive I could give a kitten what tier we are in.
that first week was the delay in fair weather TA coat tail riders learning of TA’s departure from the server – they quickly found out and transferred themselves – had we not lost such a large number of players we could have stabilized (we went from 2-4 hour queue times at all hours for ALL WvW zones to outnumberd) just made it impossible at this point
I also agree with your not caring what tier just so the wvw is competitive and fun – problem is the current ratings systems is as much a hindrance as a help
You guys have enough in SF to beat DR. It is no ones fault ppl gave up after day one. You guys had a zerg bigger than DRs on first day that took out the bottom 2 keeps on DRs map in minutes and destroyed DR. If you had kept that up it wuda been a even fight between SF and DR. So its no ones fault but your servers that you have lost 12 times. Also DR only won 9 times cus they could put up 3 times the amount of ppl on a map in tier 8 and kaineng or ferg didnt have any where near enough to counter. Which is how it won 9 times.
Please do your research before you start QQing.
so i post the factual results of the past 12 weeks and you reply with ya but.. and argue with the results maybe you have more of a disagreement with anet’s scoring system than i do
@kreese: The answer to that is DR was bottom-barrel originally, as in many suspected them to be the worst Wv3 server of the listing. This attracted players looking to specifically join and help the bottom-rung, which in turn led to both player transfers as well as a revitalization of interest among the playerbase already present on the server. There have been ups and downs, but the DR of the past nine weeks should not be considered the same as the DR from before that, and in the rating system they had a sizeable deficit to make up before ascending.
Meanwhile other servers are encountering the situations leading to diminished interest in Wv3 whereas originally they had a better showing, and this leads them to a poorer showing yet still having amassed a buffer from earlier matches that must be depleted before they fall.
I imagine the purpose is so that one week doesn’t drastically change a server standing (as many things can happen), though I admit to not actually knowing what the ranking system designers really intended. I mean a lot can happen to a server, and active guilds transferring off can completely change its Wv3 showing within moments, but would it be fair to those that remained if it caused an immediate drop in placement without giving time to adjust? Or… have I been in t8 so long that that is completely different from how it is in higher tiers? I joined my brother on DR when I started and haven’t played on any other, and that’s what it’s at least seemed like to me.
I think even the BCS would have a hard time coming up with a system whereby the looser of every weekly matchup since wvw went weekly would be favored over a winner of the last 9
dont defend them, you should not have been in T8 for along time now, you just didn’t know it
Just wanted to give props to both HoD and SF for not giving up even with such large number differences.
You guys keep pushing hard whatever the odds are and you got our respect for that : )
Some people on DR seems to have forgotten that not so long ago we were in the exact same postion you are in right now and even tho it sucks, keep in mind that it’s just temporary, when you get to face servers with similar numbers it will attract new people into WvW on your server as well as encourage some transfers.
As for DR, I can’t wait to see us face a server our size, I fear that constantly winning against underpopulated servers will make us soft and lazy…hopefully I’m wrong !
I think you guys probably belong in tier 5 or 6 cant really say with the way people move around and show up one week and not the next
shouts out to two members of the BSty guild on DR – you guys are seriously good no need in my saying who you know who you are (I am NOT the only one on HoD with this opinion)
Dear DR many of you seem to have no grasp on the current state of WvW and I’m a bit surprised at this given your servers situation.
Were you really expecting this week to be a fight?
You have won the last 9 weeks!
Why are you not more upset that anet has kept you in tier 8 for 9 weeks even though you have won?
You should not have been in tier 8 for awhile now.
You are crushing us (HoD) and SF – show some respect for the dead and move on
Here is HoD’s history since WvW went to one week matchups vs DR’s history
(seriously anet do something as your rankings are very bad)
HoD no wins at all………………………DR 9 wins – all in a row the last 9 weeks
I like the change on the wall-repair. So it makes more sense to me now to stay on my siege-equipment and support the invading allies in order to keep the wall-% down.
there should be better rewards for people using siege while an objective is captured – if you sat on a treb for an hour smashing a wall in an epic supply struggle what do you really get besides numb fingers
I also would like to see looting in WvW changed to completely automatic period – if you have room it is picked up on kill but only if it is a player kill, non-player kills shouldn’t autoloot
I play on a server that would end up seeing alot of breakout events. My worry is that the event by itself may not give the wanted result. People will not want to defend or flip anything but a supply camp so they can farm the event. Maybe we will get more participating in WvW but I doubt it will give them incentive to keep going for the rest of the map
Can we add some dailies to WvW?
Can we make objectives worth more to retake the longer they remain controlled by one side?
Can we add something for the controllers of a map, say special dungeon access?
this has a two fold effect as it rewards the map takers while possibly reducing the amount of players they have in the zone to defend if enough of controlling force enter it
I had hoped we could keep HoD out of the last tier but at this point we will need to recruit some WvW guilds from other servers to stay competitive in it
Now tell me these are good matchups
It doesn’t matter how good your math is if you have made bad asumptions (<- stupid filter should have two s’s)
In this case a server is not a single entity but a collection of them
All of which can freely transfer to another server and your calculation has no accounting for this
