Guild Wars 2

I’m glad you like it, was about time WvW ppl got some new toy

For me what’s good about this update is that I only had to spend 3 mins inside of Eotm to get my achievements, so I never have to go back there and hopefully any WvW again.

So thx Anet for making the golem achievement supereasy to attain so that ppl who dislike WvW aren’t forced to spend more time in there then needed. I’m guessing this also pleases WvW ppl since this should prevent half the server being full of ppl who’s only interest is to charge the place where the parts are.

Vampirial.9056:

As for computer performance, my laptop only cost about $200 last year. It is a terrible laptop for gaming. When was the last time you tried WvW. If this was summer of last year i would agree with you. But the last few months i went from high lag and low frame rates, to no lag and near perfect frame rates 100% of the time. Also EoTM is supposed to cater to smaller groups and solo WvW players. So lag during big zergs shouldn’t be an issue anyways.

I played WvW on it about a month ago in WvW on my laptop when my pc decided to transform itself temporarily in a 1.3k euro machine that goes ‘beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep’. It’s a 400euro 2 yr old laptop on which i played it. And it simply doesn’t work on it. Yes i can run around perfectly, untill a zerg pops up, after that I’m just watching a slideshow and blindly throwing around skills because targetting any specific target it simply impossible. (hence doing this with an ele focussing on aoe makes sense :p) So pls don’t go claiming that any laptop can handle zergs. It’s simply not true. (and yes, all graph options on the laptop are tuned to minimum system usage).

The main problem with Guildwars2 is that it doesn’t allow for enough customisation in the graphics settings. Which is good for decent comps, but on lower end laptops there need to be more graphical settings which can be turned off, instead of just being put into ‘low’. Especially the ‘shadow’ option, which is always a resource hog. And which can be turned of in pretty much any game (they are non essential anyways).

Vampirial.9056:

GuzziHero.2467:

Vampirial.9056:

So answer me this, why should LS be tied to PvE and not all parts of the game? Maybe as a WvW player i to would like to enjoy story driven elements. If you shouldn’t have to play WvW to do LS stuff, then i shouldn’t have to do PvE to do LS stuff.

Because PvE is accessible to all. For reasons of either disability or computer performance, WvWvW is NOT accessible to all.

WvW does not take good computer performance, my terrible laptop can do it no problem. And i have not heard of a non-treatable disability that would prevent you from playing PvP but not PvE.

This rhetoric is exactly why i loathe MMO pvp communities.

Why would someone who doesn’t want to play pvp have to be disabled.
Why would someone who does play PvP or WvW have any right to feel superior in any way.

And sry m8 WvW is not accessible to all. My pc has no problem with it. If however I play this on my laptop it’s impossible. Unless you see playing at as 2fps whenever a zerg appears playable. So yes, you do need good pc performance to deal with the constant zergs.

It is this testosterone driven, ‘WvW players rule and pve players are just idiots who are scared of anything’-attitude that you can read in this thread over an over which I just don’t wanna be part of. This kittenbag attitude is not something I go looking for in my free time. I had such a kitten phase when i was 14-16, and then I grew up, and realised that it’s fine that ppl don’t like what I like, and that I’m not superior in any way to someone with different aspirations.

Drop your pre-conceptions and just accept that some ppl like WvW and others don’t. And that you aren’t any better for liking WvW. Just different.

Srsly, how old do you have to be to call ppl who don’t like what you like disabled, 12?

Vampirial.9056:

So answer me this, why should LS be tied to PvE and not all parts of the game? Maybe as a WvW player i to would like to enjoy story driven elements. If you shouldn’t have to play WvW to do LS stuff, then i shouldn’t have to do PvE to do LS stuff.

Where did I ever say that WvW shouldn’t have story driven elements? And I agree with you that WvW is a forgotten area by the devs, which you would know if you actually read my post. Now how is what you typed a reply to the post I made? How does it even tie into it? Explain this and I’ll happily reply. Untill then I’m tired of seeing quotes of mine with a reply below which doesn’t even link in any way to anything I said. The whole post I made was about this misplaced sense of superiority of some WvW players over pve players. Nothing else.

Did I say that WvW doesn’t deserve a story line? No. So what are you going on about.
The thing is arenanet should just keep the 2 separate, trying to lure ppl into WvW by suddenly transporting the LS which has always been pve into WvW is just not the way to go. Best way to do this is by simply creating a double LS.

By which i mean, that each LS section would be split in 2, and a player would have to choose 1 of them for the achievements, and they would yield the same rewards. In this way, both communities would be served, the coherence of the storyline could be maintained and everyone would be happy. And you can then still participate in both, but you’d only get the AP for one of them. This way, for pve’ers they’d keep the same amount of AP that they can earn in LS, and WvW’ers would be able to gain the same AP but then in the WvW setting. So this way the main winners would be the WvW’ers (well not rly winners, they’ll just get what they should have had from the start).

But this forced mixing of 2 communities with completely different ideas about where the fun is in the game is just doomed to fail.

Now, i’ll just sit back and watch untill someone quotes me again to then place a comment which has nothing to do with the quote itself.

aspirine.6852:

Why are you so against people killing you or another player? Nothing happens, just a repair bill. Just give it a try?

Ever considered the fact that most pve players have gone into WvW just to give it a go?
I have.

And I found nothing in there that could possibly provide me with any joy.

Killing someone in the middle of a zerg. Oh what a tribute to my own skills (and the 50 other ppll who were shooting at some random dude in the zerg). WvW isn’t about skill, it’s mostly about just overpowering your enemy zerg by sheer numbers/dpm. Only small warbands require some skill, but then again even in 6vs6 your own impact on a battle is heavily reduced.

This is also my problem with champs etc in pve. It’s a purely dpm race. In WvW the zerg with the most dps/healing capacity wins. If i want to PvP to test and hone my skills i’d go 1vs1.

There is very little difference in how you attack a champ vs how you attack a zerg.
And neither requires much skill or coordination. Main difference is that a champ will just target 1 person mostly, maybe throw out an aoe or 2. And a enemy zerg is more like a hedgehog firing in all directions. So just dodge a bit more then vs a champ.

That is what I saw in WvW. I’m not saying that all WvW is skill-less zerging. But it’s an essential part of it. And that alone is enough to squeeze every ounce of joy that I could potentialy have in WvW out of it.

timidobserver.7925:

The two things that make PVE players complain about PVE:

1. PVE players basically have a sort of combination of fear, anxiety, and anger at competition and the idea of other players being able to kill them.

2. In GW2, the mechanics of NPCs are extremely easy to predict and avoid. This makes it hard for PVE players to go into PvP where they are just taking advantage of some poorly designed NPC that simply requires them to dodge at the right moment every few seconds.

Funny man, I’m a strictly pve player in gw because i don’t like pvp in MMO’s. They are too much RNG driven for me. And the usual kittening that goes on in MMO PvP circles is just too much adolescent testosterone for me to handle.

So to respond:
1: No it’s because we simply don’t like it. It has nothing to do with fear of dying. You are welcome to come fight me in FPS or RTS games whenever you want. In those games I love to PvP. So, afraid of dying, anxiety, rly? Can you come up with more kittened reasons pls?

2. Yes, indeed, pve is easier overall. Which is exactly why i play it, to relax. If I want to focus on what I’m doing then I’ll play 1v1, not some MMO pvp nonsense which mostly comes down to zerging eachother, and where one’s personal influence on the outcome of a battle is minimal. And claiming WvW is hard is quite a stretch, I’ve tried it a few times, then switched to my ele, hooked up on a zerg and just aoe’d every zerg i met, was this hard? Not at all, it was stupidly easy, and i got kill after kill after kill, by simply spamming aoe’s on the ground without even targetting one guy specifically.
That is not pvp to me. PvP should be about skill, and not RNG nonsense, or massive battles on which you simply don’t really have an effect. You could tell me to play another char in WvW so that I can’t just aoe everything, but the problem is, there are still ppl doing it, which pretty much nullifies any form of skill required. Of course when you are in a small group or alone skill does come into play, but I’ve only very rarely seen this happen in my brief time in WvW.

MarzAttakz.9608:

losbananas.8674:

MarzAttakz.9608:

If you can’t beat them, join them, quite simple really! Maybe it’s time you pve’ers actually did something for the server you’re playing on.

Yes, because I’m so thankfull of bonusses that I don’t care about.

Thx thx thx for providing me with something that i neither need or want.
Also, don’t pretend you play WvW to give your server bonusses. You do it because you derive fun from it. So the bonusses are more like an ‘accident de parcours’ then something you strive to achieve.

And when you accidentaly activate a bonus, you deserve no thx for that. If you were to WvW strictly to give bonusses then you would get my thx. But let’s face it, that’s not why you WvW, now is it?

And what exactly do PVE players bring to anybody but themselves?

We (the WvW community) are forced to play what we do not enjoy – simply to gear ourselves up. We have the worst drop rate and income, the highest running cost for repairs, upgrades and foods, and the least amount of reciprocity from other players and the developers themselves. And the buffs granted to a server are far more beneficial to the PVE community as a whole.

Boycott the content if you like, miss out on your precious achievement points, I honestly do not care.

And another one who doesn’t seem to get it.

I don’t pretend to do anything for anyone. Except give fun to the ppl that i roam around with, while they give me fun. Which is exactly what WvW’ers do, except you do it in another part of the game.

When it comes to WvW drops, repairs and such etc. Yep WvW is indeed forgotten by the devs. Nowhere did I claim that this wasn’t the case, so why bring this up. This has nothing to do with the discussion or with anything I said.

And yes, the buffs are more usefull for pve, did I say otherwise or even hint to the opposite? Nope. Again, why bring up something I didn’t even say?

My comment was simply a response to someone who thinks that pve’ers need to be thankfull to them for the srv buffs they give. I don’t need to be. I don’t care about those buffs at all, and as I’ve said 3 times now, the WvW’ers that WvW just to get these bonusses activated, and not because they love to WvW deserve my thanx. Because their effort is intended to help others. Whereas for 99% WvW’ers having fun is the goal, getting buffs just a result of them having fun. And I don’t blame them one bit, a game is supposed to be played for fun.

Imagine if they implemented buffs coming from pve. If I’d keep doing dungeons because I like them, and they’d give buffs that benefit WvW mostly, then do I have any right to tell you to be thankfull? Nope, I don’t. And that’s all I’m saying. It’s just this misplace mentality of some WvW’ers who think we should herald them as heroes, just for playing a game, just like we do. That pve doesn’t give buffs to WvW, or that those buffs aren’t rly usefull for WvW is not my fault, it’s the devs. For all I care they can remove the buffs altogether or implement their atainability through pve too.

So please read what I write, instead of just adding stuff to it which i never contested or said at all.

Samhayn.2385:

losbananas.8674:

MarzAttakz.9608:

If you can’t beat them, join them, quite simple really! Maybe it’s time you pve’ers actually did something for the server you’re playing on.

Yes, because I’m so thankfull of bonusses that I don’t care about.

Thx thx thx for providing me with something that i neither need or want.
Also, don’t pretend you play WvW to give your server bonusses. You do it because you derive fun from it. So the bonusses are more like an ‘accident de parcours’ then something you strive to achieve.

And when you accidentaly activate a bonus, you deserve no thx for that. If you were to WvW strictly to give bonusses then you would get my thx. But let’s face it, that’s not why you WvW, now is it?

so all the content that was pve only and drove us out of the part of the game we have fun with is cool but asking you to come to our playground is some how bad? Just wondering.

So wait, what are you on about.

What i said is that no WvW’er should go and expect gratitude from strictly pve players for the srv bonusses. If they were to do WvW simply because of the bonusses, then they would be worth of our thx. But they don’t. They play WvW because they like it. If I as a strictly pve player were to unluck server bonusses for our WvW players, then would i be right in expecting thx for it? No.

You are perfectly fine in asking me to come play WvW. I’m perfectly in my right to say no. End of story. All this nonsense about how ppl should thank the benevolence of WvW players who play WvW against their will only to give us bonusses is just silly.
Because they play WvW for the WvW and the fun they derive of it, and not to unlock bonusses for the srv.

Also, how would pve content drive you out of pve. That just makes no sense. Also, why would something mystical that apparantely drove you to play the WvW which you really don’t like convince me of also playing WvW. Poor you, those mean dev’s forcing you to play WvW.

I don’t oppose the implementation of any WvW into the LS. I’m happy for you. But don’t expect me to thank you for giving bonusses by accident. And don’t expect me to take part in this LS. I don’t play WvW because I don’t like it. And these hautain arguments of how thankfull pve players should be to the WvW’ers are just nonsense, and make me resent a part of the community that I so far just ignored, since we never crossed paths.

All this chest beating and ‘bow down to us supreme overlords of PvP’ arguments just provoke one thing in me. Loathing and disrespect.

So by all means, enjoy the new WvW content. Just don’t annoy pve’rs with it or expect thanx for doing exactly that which you enjoy.

MarzAttakz.9608:

If you can’t beat them, join them, quite simple really! Maybe it’s time you pve’ers actually did something for the server you’re playing on.

Yes, because I’m so thankfull of bonusses that I don’t care about.

Thx thx thx for providing me with something that i neither need or want.
Also, don’t pretend you play WvW to give your server bonusses. You do it because you derive fun from it. So the bonusses are more like an ‘accident de parcours’ then something you strive to achieve.

And when you accidentaly activate a bonus, you deserve no thx for that. If you were to WvW strictly to give bonusses then you would get my thx. But let’s face it, that’s not why you WvW, now is it?

Aeonblade.8709:

chronometria.3708:

The time to ignore us is over – you`re in our world now.

So much truth in this. After all the PvE players are gone, the WvW players will remain until a better option is available to us. These kills are only a fraction of the repayment for us having to deal with half baked LS updates for a year and a half while our entire community was ignored.

The time of culling the herd has come. Bring me your loot bags children, and be enraged.

Ah, so much beating on their e-chests and pretending to be pwnzor.

I kinda like the WvW event idea, I’ll just take a break from gw since i have 0 interest in playing pvp in any mmorpg. If however some ‘too good to be true’ reward forces me to go there, i’ll be the one who just sits down when you lot arive. Kill me, I don’t care. But I’m not even gonna defend myself. I’m not going to give you fun by doing something i absolutely hate. Just enjoy feeling pwnzor about killing someone who doesn’t bother fighting back. A real pvp’er would be miffed if someone didn’t fight back. You, from your tone of words would probably simply go: “woo another kill, i iz so awesome”.

And Aeonblade, from what you write, you don’t care about culling the herd. Which already is a nonsensical statement, since pure pve players aren’t part of the wvw herd. There is no reason why you should look down on ppl simply because they don’t like the parts of the game that you like, or why you would even want to cull a group of ppl who don’t even want to come and play in your part of the game. Also, from your ‘…be enraged’ comment, it’s also pretty clear that you have no noble intentions of improving the wvw flock (since culling the herd is what you do to improve the quality of the remainder), all you want to do is troll and grief.

And you are welcome to it.

As I’m perfectly welcome to completely ignore your existance and that of WvW.

For me I didn’t care a bit about Scarlet untill i read her diary. She now started to intrigue me.

Will we kill her or will she fight by our side in a final epic battle against the darkness.

Personally I see her sacrificing herself in order to save the world of Tyria. Yes, I’m probably very very wrong when it comes to this :p.

damash.8236:

Unable to join my main server I have to put up with overflow. I will always try my best wherever I am but a number of others do not. So overflow will always fail, which means I will not be able to complete these events.

Then the problem might ly with you. Personally I do the marionette battle on overflow srv’s constantly, and it has a higher success rate for me, probably because you aren’t robbed of players who have been afk’ing since forever, or others who are exploring. On the overflow servers one is pretty much guaranteed very few absent players.

What I wonder, are you one of the silent mass, that just complains before the event, or are you one of the few who explains how it works over and over? The trick to success is informing everyone, because there will always be ppl who still don’t know.
If you are one of the bystanders that just looks without the will to help his peers, then you have no reason to complain imo.

It’s a cooperative game, and it works better if you help others help you.

You can pretty much predict succes or failure from what is said in chat in the minutes before the timer starts. If nobody explains how it works and what is expected then it pretty much always fails. If enough ppl keep explaining it (yes, i know that can get on the nerves after a while), then usualy the event succeeds.

If however you do try to explain it over and over, then I do feel for you. Because you must be one of the few who keeps failing over and over in overflow. I have about a 2/3 succes rate in overflow. Which is good enough for me. If it would always succeed, then it would simply be too easy, and not worth playing.