Guild Wars 2

Come on guys, the OP isn’t asking for a lot, just some more variety in the ways to complete this meta. If it was for an exotic bit of armour, or something that is super valuable and game-changing I could almost agree, but this is for a mini. A memento of the event, that’s all.

I think, sure, have harder achievements that not everyone can get. Go ahead and tie gear drops into it if you like, whatever. But everyone should be able to get something. He’s not asking for it for free. He’s already got 11 achievements, that’s three more than the last meta was, and these achievements were all harder to get, where the last ones were just “go here and press F”. It’s not a free ride for anyone.

I’m all for hard stuff that not everyone can get, but this content patch was crazy for all but a small proportion of the playerbase, one way or another. And every time people get demoralised and quit, that’s fewer players to fund the cash shop running of the game.

If the Living Story is being touted as the future of the game, it’s no good saying “Well you don’t have to play it”, because you are basically saying “Well don’t play the game”. And if that’s the answer to everything, the game starts to fall apart.

People are entitled to make criticisms if they think there is a problem. Will it change anything? I don’t know. But there’s no call to go around saying that people’s opinions are invalid because they’re not up to some arbitrary standard that other people are setting.

Generally I hate those stupid JP’s with a passion and
this sanctum BS is one of the JP’s I have always refused to do at all !

Now it is tied to new content I absolutely want to do and it requires me to do a stinking JP !!!!!!

Come on a.net NOT everyone wants to kitteng play Mario Bros. again I grew up with that kitten game I’ve had enough Mario to last me 2 life times !

Please stop placing achievements in these kitten JP’s will yah !

ZilentNight.5089:

It isn’t but it is catered towards the WvW players since its in a familiar territory for them and just unlike the other 99% achievements in the open world.

It caters to the WvW players, all right, but not the way you say. It’s there to give WvW players free targets.

And here i thought that Anet actually learned something after aetherblade obsidian cache…

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

I somehow can’t shake the feeling that the devs are trolling us now.

They were trolling us even before the game was released. Remember the “manifesto”?

I somehow can’t shake the feeling that the devs are trolling us now.

Really boggles the mind that they’re doing this again.

trying to achieve something and get ganked by undesired player that KNOW you only have a fixed time to do the contest before end, remember me so much Korean MMORPG.

So if I’m to believe [url=http://dulfy.net/2013/07/07/bazaar-of-the-four-winds-achievement-guide/[/url]Dulfy’s guide[/url] on the topic, the getting to the end of Obsidian Sanctum is once again an achievement.

So, basically, there’s 20pts I won’t be getting. (5pt for getting there, 15pt for the “Learning to Kite” meta).

I say I won’t be getting it, because every time I attempted to get to the Aetherblade cache, I encountered multiple groups from other servers that would just camp out at select chokepoints, and gank anyone trying to complete it.

I do not find subjecting myself to the torment of others enjoyable.

I rarely post but want to add my comments in support of several who have posted here. I like this dungeon. I like that it is more challenging. It is hard and in my opinion that is good. But as someone who also likes to try and get all the achievements – and especially so now that achievements will give you rewards – I am not happy about the time-limited nature of this content. I have completed the dungeon twice but would like to try and get all of achievements. Work this week has meant that I have not had as much time to play. Each group I have done this dungeon with has been different. To get all of the achievements requires practice and therefore requires time. This content should either be around longer or permanent.

Whilst getting new content every two weeks sounds great, if it is content like this with this degree of difficulty but only available for a short time, then for me – as a completionist – playing will become more stressful and less enjoyable.

Ayrilana.1396:

Not everything in the game can be a faceroll.

Nor would I want it to be, however making challenging content temporary basically silos it off from the casual player. If you’re a skilled player then you can complete the Aetherblade Retreat and get the Obsidian Sanctum cache with ease; however if you’re a casual player who takes time to practice in an effort to overcome challenges then content that doesn’t give you time to practice puts it out of your reach.

As it stands, I won’t make it through the boss fights in Aetherblade Retreat unless I’m carried; give me a couple of months on it though and I might be looking at getting some of the achievements (eg. Faster Than Light). As for the Obsidian Sanctum cache, well some groups appear to be using that as an excuse to farm PvE players, and because it’s a short window of opportunity there’s more PvEers than normal passing through the puzzle.

In short, if your content is temporary then actually yes, it does need to be “faceroll easy” or, as we casuals like to call it “normal difficulty.” If content is permanent then make it as challenging as you like, we’ll have all the time in the world to go back and practice if we want to.

I love GW2.. I really do.. but being a completionest this isn’t fair in the slightest.. You said "let’s make it for the casual player.. then you go back on that phrase and stomp it into the ground.. Why turn away from the majority players when the ones who complain that the game is too easy don’t make handicaps for themselves? They can fight with a stick if they are that awesome.. anything that difficult should be permanent so us casual players can get better and take it down. Please fix this!! I’m prolly not gonna get my achievements now.. I did Dragon Bash in 3 days and worked hard to get them before time ran out cuz I didn’t have any internet for 2 months so I missed flame and frost.. I just want achievements….

I had thought GW2’s whole philosophy with abolishing the holy trinity was to make it so any class combo could do all the main content, and while some classes could have a stronger ability to perform a role, it should not be ‘required’ to have a given class.

They sent mixed messages: it is a limited time dungeon that levels everyone up to 80 upon entering. That suggests they want everyone to experience it and that it will be similar to the winterfest instance. Then they stacked it full of stun-locking, lethal AoE-generating mobs and bosses that require coordination and practice.

This dungeon would be excellent permanent end-game content to run with your guild and practice dozens of times (if it had rewards worth striving for).

As a temporary dungeon meant to be accessible to anyone regardless of level, it is a failure.

I’ve actually found this much content to be a deterrent to playing.
From a players perspective;
Imagine having a favorite TV show and no way to watch episodes you missed.

If you keep content moving this fast, can you give us ingame TVO?

I’m sure someone on the Dev team watches The Walking Dead and would find it rather disappointing if they had no way to watch the last season finale because they were working on this game. =)

This bug really frustrates me. To get my jumping puzzle achievement eventually a friendly mesmer portalled me across all the jumps as I couldn’t fall without being kicked all the way out and having to restart.
3 months later I tried it again for the cache achievement…and same thing! I can’t face asking the mesmer to take me again.
If it is a known issue, why put a cache there?

Gaile Gray.6028:

We are all over this bug!

Hi Gaile, Glad to hear that the team is looking in to this.

But I have to add and emphasize that this bug has been around for a very long time, and till today, has yet to be fixed. Admittedly, I am really bad at JPs and I do fall often, and this bug of falling to my death miles away from where I was supposed to be ported is honestly really ANNOYING (for emphasis) and wasting me alot of gold (well about 2s for porting everytime I fall).

I just spent about 20 silver, porting back to the WP just coz I kept falling, and I keep being bugged and glitched to my death. I still have not gotten my cache yet.

As much as I enjoy the luxury of being ported, nothing beats the satisfaction of beating a jumping puzzle, esp when one sucks at it as much as I do.

(edited.. my grammar has fallen off the roof)

Agreed, old bug.

This cache should never have been placed near the end of a buggy JP. Should have placed it closer to the beginning, or fixed the JP. This is NOT a new bug.

For me I don’t like the look of the dragon wings players get for Zhaitasty. And I don’t see myself buying 100,000 Zhaitasty off the TP. The foods you get for Zhaitasty is not that great. That leaves only fireworks as the only good reward for Zhaitasty.

There could more better rewards for Zhaitasty. Like a Endless Holographic Tonic for example.

I think there should be a system by which players are allowed to reach the vistas and POI’s in these maps without having to be forced into playing WvW or switching servers.

I feel it is unfair that many people that are mainly PvE players are forced to go and compete in WvW where many times if your world isnt good at WvW you dont even stand a chance at changing anything or taking over places.

Titles shouldn’t be something that depend on my luck when choosing servers but actually something that show my personal skills and dedication.

I dont understand why a title that is 95% centered in PvE exclusively suddenly forces you to go to WvW.

I think it would be better if the POI’s and vistas in WvW were openly accessible to everyone. This would still require some skill from you to be able to get to them probably fighting your way against other invaders but it wouldn’t be as bad as it is nowadays.

Maybe they could even introduce some sort of system by which when you go into WvW you have a 10 minute frame window in which you are World Neutral. You can press a button and leave this “Neutral State” as soon as u get into the WvW map, or you could use that time frame to hunt down the POI’s and vistas you need.

In any case it would be nice to see a fix to this, at least that is my personal opinion.

Thnaks

This game was built for the casual player and it was claimed by Anet that players could walk away without being punished. TEMPORARY CONTENT means if a player is not on when it happens, they are being punished for not playing. Also, adding content that is temorary takes away from BUG FIXES/ adding content of quality THAT CAN BE ENJOYED. Add a new dungeon only to take it away in 12 days. Good job wasting employee’s time and the company’s money. Make the dungeon stay around forever or on a special event timer like the underworld was in gw1 (need the favor of the gods). Why take one step forward and two steps back? LEARN FROM GW1. Is this really a difficult concept to grasp? And adding said content to a RNG for fractals is NOT a special event timer.

An alternative worth mentioning (Today’s temporary content revisted tomorrow) is here :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Repeating-content-Replaying-living-stories/first#post2017219

I hope Living Story will be replayed. Several of us in my guild didn’t get “A rallying flame”. That’s a complete waste of, what, 3 months!

MikeTsa.7396:

Colin Johanson wrote:
“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than
other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items
have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of
accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to
make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those
who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who
don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

Less than 3 months after launch :“In November we’ll unveil the first Ascended items. This new rarity type
falls between Exotic and Legendary on the spectrum of rarity and has
slightly higher stats than Exotics.”

I guess anet just proved they’re just like every other company out there, tend to the whiners follow the money ^^

Oh and Ascended items are not just “slightly better” than exotics. From the picture of the rings they posted you can see an extra +10 stat and a +3% magic find wich is 67 stat points on exotics right now if you put some other stat there.
Pretty sure they posted the item with the magic find % on purpose so the difference doesn’t show that much wich is probably +77 stat points from just a ring.
Imagine a full set when or if they implement it…

Agree, this has nothing to do with whining or complainig that they took away my precious casualgamer jewel.

My problem with this patch is ANet is breaking promises, I don’t care if it’s +1 or +100 stats per item.

I bought GW2 specifically because of the absence of gear treadmills as stated by more than one developer, they gave their word and this is what happens after only 3 months.

I had my fair share tier grinds, now I am sick of it, it’s not like I can’t spare 2/3 hours 4 times per week, I just don’t want to.

I want to enjoy the game as it was advertised: horizontal progression.

There’s no end to vertical progression, look at WoW, look at how many tiers Blizzard pumped into that game. The power creep’s hunger will never be satiated.

I bought what ANet said to be an orange, only to find out it’s a reskinned apple.

Nothing wrong with apples, but I paid for an orange.

Fallen Angel.5092:

Talloc.6835:

LF2M Fractal, link all Ascension gear or NO INVITE

LF2M AC, link all Exotic gear or NO INVITE.

See what I did there?

So long as ArenaNet doesn’t make the dungeons impossible to do without Ascended gear, but can be done in your Greens and Blues, there is no problem.

To be speculative of the blog post, sine people are choosing to take the OMG TREADMILL path, I’m going to speculate on the Deeper through the Fractals path. What I read into this was its infinitely scaling difficulty, not the first “tier” of the dungeon. I could be wrong, but the lot whining and wailing about a gear treadmill (that already exists in the form of fine, masterwork, rare, and exotic) could be wrong as well.

The doom and gloomers in this thread are not the majority, this design choice clearly makes it out you’re not. I doubt your leaving this game will have a dramatic effect on my, or anyone who decides to stay, gameplay experience.

Didn’t you read the blog post? Ascended gear with agony defense infusion is going to be required to complete the new dungeon.

Here’s the quote:

Players who wish to delve deep into the Fractals will find that Agony makes progress increasingly difficult, until they reach the point where some defense against this condition is a must.

You can only get agony defense infusions on ascended armor, therefore you will not be able to complete the whole of the new dungeon with exotics, blues, greens, whites whatever.

Catrenna.4298:

I find it funny how some people say the whiners are mistaken as the majority, but you believe your opinion against ascended gear is somehow a majority.

I’m personally happy with the change.

Somes people like you like gear grinding, its another way to play… I dont understand where the fun in doing 5343504time the same thing for just a poor item but why not after all, its your problem.

But, GW1 was one of the last barrier against all thoses none sense brainless grindfest game to really focus the gameplay on the SKILL ( and skill i mean the various possible build, various way to play your class, and smartness to play it ) not just "yeah i have a +50weapons and armor, you only have a +5, i beat you easy.

There is enough mmo like that everywhere, no one here wanted that for GW2.

My thoughts on this.

Earlier I did the maths to show that ascended gear is, roughly, 26% more powerful than exotic gear. That is huge. Now, the problem is not that they are introducing a new tier of gear; as others have pointed out we already have blue, green, yellow, orange tiers.

So, what’s the problem with a new tier? Here’s the problems:

1) First and foremost, it’s only available through this new dungeon system. Before, you could get the highest tier of gear, exotic, through whatever means you found more appealing: dynamic events karma farming, dungeons, WvWvW, auction house, crafting, etc. Whatever way you enjoyed playing the game was a valid way to do so: Arenanet stayed true to their “manifesto”. Now, whatever you ultimately want to do in the game, if you want to be the most effective at it (barring sPvP of course), you have to do this dungeon.

2) It’s a gating mechanic. Others have stated why this is bad, I won’t beat on a dead horse.

3) It’s all of these things being introduced 2 months after release; not, say, two years.

bcbully.7289:

maybe if you people complaining would have bought some gems, this wouldn’t have happened.

People have obviously been buying gems and a lot of them if you read the financial reports that they gave for NCSoft investors.

No, this isn’t because of the core audience not paying up. This is because P.O.S no-lifers spent 1000 hours in the game since launch and are now complaining because they’ve done everything in the game faster than any development team can hope to keep up with. Now those whiny MMO addicts have twisted the one game that didn’t pander to them.

Anet broke my heart.
I have no more words to add.

Omega.1473:

This is because P.O.S no-lifers spent 1000 hours in the game since launch and are now complaining because they’ve done everything in the game faster than any development team can hope to keep up with. Now those whiny MMO addicts have twisted the one game that didn’t pander to them.

Quoted For Truth.

GW2, I believe, Core audience are more mature, with less time.

Older people, do not forgive so easily. Longer life = Longer memory.