Guild Wars 2

Jazenn.7526:

Akisame.9508:

Jazenn.7526:

Akisame.9508:

Bob, Ignorance is bliss isn’t it?

Anyways. The best compromise out there, and the best way to fix the problem with PvP, Dungeons, and WvW, is to keep pets to make the animal lover’s happy, but remove their damage and give it back to the player, that way ~40% of our damage is not tied up on a dead or unresponsive or (sitting on a wall staring at the target) AI. The Pet will be a utility, providing knockdown’s, bleeds, buffs, ect. The pet will do the damage of a bleed, so you attack the target, pet charges, does his f2 attack, if it’s a knockdown or blind or something like that, then he only hits the target, if it ever hits the target, for 50-70 damage per hit, which isn’t much when you think about it, since a pet on a ranged ranger only get between 0 to 2 hits in. The ranger receives his full damage and we no longer have to worry about a faulty AI ruining our game experience because it’s making us underpowered unless we run a melee/beast master build.

Dreams are true bliss. Unfortunately for you and similar rangers, this will not happen.

Then that is a true shame. Because of close minded people like you, a ranged ranger will only be sub par until they can figure out how to get the pets to hit a moving target. I don’t see that happening in the near…or far future for that matter. I guess until it is fixed, everyone will be using the cookie cutter build of beastmaster melee, and there will be no diversity in the class like there is in all other classes because of this poor game mechanic.

If the pet is suppose to land an attack every 1.5 seconds (just throwing a number out there), and in the course of a 30 second fight he only lands two hits because the target is running, there is a problem. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to say.

Lol because of close-minded people like me? You don’t know me. Haha I have nothing to do with the game except playing it and arguing about it on the forums. Ain’t my fault its not easy enough for you.

Easy? who said anything about wanting it easy? I want to play a RANGED ranger, not a sword/close quarter combat ranger. For that I would have been a warrior. I just want the pet system to either work properly or to give me the damage until they can get the pet’s working properly. But because of close minded idiots like you coming into the forums saying pets are perfect because in your little world of close combat they don’t have as many problems as long distance combat, then it just turns out to look more like a whining then the legitimate problem we are having with pets. If everyone is on the same page saying YES there is a problem with pets not hitting moving targets that effects Ranged ranger’s, then maybe ANet will actually look into the problem and fix it. But the more people that are stuck in their little world of playing a melee ranger argue and say pets are perfect, the changes will never happen. There is more builds to the ranger then your little kittening world man, open your eyes! Any changes they make for the ranged ranger will help you out when you come into contact with runners, can’t you see that?!?!?!?!

I am not so sure if it is the camera or not. I also have a hot key for target nearest enemy. I have noticed that when I hit it the first time, it doesn’t target the nearest enemy, just a random enemy in the crowd, however, if I hit it one more time, then it goes to the nearest enemy. So now I just have the habit of hitting the button twice to get the correct target. Maybe it’s just me but check it out see if it works for you.

Jazenn.7526:

Akisame.9508:

Bob, Ignorance is bliss isn’t it?

Anyways. The best compromise out there, and the best way to fix the problem with PvP, Dungeons, and WvW, is to keep pets to make the animal lover’s happy, but remove their damage and give it back to the player, that way ~40% of our damage is not tied up on a dead or unresponsive or (sitting on a wall staring at the target) AI. The Pet will be a utility, providing knockdown’s, bleeds, buffs, ect. The pet will do the damage of a bleed, so you attack the target, pet charges, does his f2 attack, if it’s a knockdown or blind or something like that, then he only hits the target, if it ever hits the target, for 50-70 damage per hit, which isn’t much when you think about it, since a pet on a ranged ranger only get between 0 to 2 hits in. The ranger receives his full damage and we no longer have to worry about a faulty AI ruining our game experience because it’s making us underpowered unless we run a melee/beast master build.

Dreams are true bliss. Unfortunately for you and similar rangers, this will not happen.

Then that is a true shame. Because of close minded people like you, a ranged ranger will only be sub par until they can figure out how to get the pets to hit a moving target. I don’t see that happening in the near…or far future for that matter. I guess until it is fixed, everyone will be using the cookie cutter build of beastmaster melee, and there will be no diversity in the class like there is in all other classes because of this poor game mechanic.

If the pet is suppose to land an attack every 1.5 seconds (just throwing a number out there), and in the course of a 30 second fight he only lands two hits because the target is running, there is a problem. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to say.

I read that the same way you do. Rangers can evade, but not as good as a thief. Ranger’s can face tank, but not as good as a guardian or warrior. We can do poison, not as good as a thief though. But in the bottom line, none of that is suppose to cut into the balance where right now ranger’s damage is subpar because ~40% of the damage is lost through a faulty AI. So instead of all classes being at about a 5% difference in DPS from each other, the ranger’s are at about a 45% off from the others, or at least, a ranged ranger is. A melee type ranger maybe not as much unless they are giving chase, then they lose damage.

Jazenn.7526:

Every class can be dps/tank/balance, but not every class can do everything equally well. For instance, a thief cannot become a bunker in the same way that a guardian can. He can tank, but he has to use evasion and stealth because he still cant take a 100b and survive. A warrior can be dps with power/crit, but he can’t mass distribute bleed, poison, chill, or fear like the necro can. A necro can tank just by having a crapload of health, but they can’t evade the same way a ranger can in order to tank. A ranger however can do all of these things well enough to be effective. You don’t see evasion necro, condition warrior, armor tank thief they way that you see rangers doing all of that, the opposite, and more. In that way I see us as a jack of all trades.

Ok, then YOU see it as a jack of all trades. And I can understand your point of view in that perspective, but saying that the ranger class is “SUPPOSE to be a jack of all trades and a master of none” is incorrect! That was NOT the intended purpose of the class according to ANet. So those people spouting that crap should stop.

Bob, Ignorance is bliss isn’t it?

Anyways. The best compromise out there, and the best way to fix the problem with PvP, Dungeons, and WvW, is to keep pets to make the animal lover’s happy, but remove their damage and give it back to the player, that way ~40% of our damage is not tied up on a dead or unresponsive or (sitting on a wall staring at the target) AI. The Pet will be a utility, providing knockdown’s, bleeds, buffs, ect. The pet will do the damage of a bleed, so you attack the target, pet charges, does his f2 attack, if it’s a knockdown or blind or something like that, then he only hits the target, if it ever hits the target, for 50-70 damage per hit, which isn’t much when you think about it, since a pet on a ranged ranger only get between 0 to 2 hits in. The ranger receives his full damage and we no longer have to worry about a faulty AI ruining our game experience because it’s making us underpowered unless we run a melee/beast master build.

For all of those saying that a ranger is suppose to be the jack of all trades…I’ll just tell you politely, please clean your mouth…cause your talking kitten! This game was not made to have a tank class, to have a healer class, to have a support class. This game was made with the idea that ANY class can do ANY job the player wants. Which is why you can see a cloth wearing mesmer with a two handed sword. Any class can be a DPS player. Any class can be a ranged player. Any Class can be a healer. The ranger’s are not suppose to be singled out on this philosophy from ANet. I’ve been looking throughout the forum for the post I read from a dev stating this fact. This is the reason why, for instance, close minded jazenn’s tank build works good for him and his pet, because he is close range, holding his enemy at bay to give his pet a chance to attack. Meanwhile, us ranged playing ranger’s have trouble because the pets spend more time running around chasing the player that is chasing us then actually doing any damage because our target won’t stop for one second for the pet to hit…which is why we lose ~40% of our damage.

Although I did not find the post of the dev stating that there is no such thing as the jack of all trades, because everyone can tank, heal, etc. I did find a video that mentions this, you can start the video at the half way mark and listen to it from there.

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hmmm, sorry, I guess the code doesn’t work but you can click on the link and see the video there.

In WvWvW, pets are useless, ~40% of your dps is missing because either your shooting at someone up on the walls, or your shooting at someone down below from the wall. What does your pet do during this time? it sure as hell isn’t attacking. It’s just sitting there looking at you or running back and forth through all the area effects around you because it thinks getting hit by arrows is fun. And when the wall is not involved, the stupid pet is just running after the target like if he’s playing a game instead of actually hitting the target doing damage. Then you use an f2 ability just to see him stop for 3 seconds to do his little animation kitten and let the target move out of range. I still say remove pets, the system is flawed and if they are not going to fix it, then remove it! Personally, I think the current state of pets is a joke and are useless. In PvE they have some usefulness, but only in PvE, once you do dungeons, they are useless again!

Krugan.7901:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled Mediocre archers, rangers are capable of bringing down PvE foes from a distance with their bows. With traps in the wrong trait lines, ineffective nature spirits, and a stable of loyal dysfunctional pets at their command, rangers can adapt succumb to any situation.”

I love this so much I’m thinking about making it my Sig, LOL

Dahkeus.8243:

Akisame.9508:

Dahkeus.8243:

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

I wouldnt mind the class if I wasnt forced to have a pet. Id be happy if they just make a petless archer class. But they wont.

That class already exists. It’s called a Warrior or Thief.

Wrong, a warrior is a warrior, and the thief is a thief. Ranger’s are the only class that aren’t ranger’s, they are beast masters. Traditionally, Ranger’s are not suppose to have pets. ANet mixed two classes into one when they did our class and that’s why this class is so broken. Anet created a hybrid class and doesn’t know what to make of it yet.

Whoa, put down the coffee, lol. Go back and read the post I replied to again.

Sorry, didn’t mean it as a ‘snap at you’ type of attack or anything. I’m just tired of people saying that if you want to play a ranger then create a warrior or a theif. I have a level 80 thief, and I have a warrior as well. Including my level 80 Ranger, neither of the three feel like a ranger to me. The thief feels like a true thief for me. The warrior excels in rifle, not bow, and ranger doesn’t excel in anything. When I play it I feel like a beast master in any other game. I’m there to support my pet, I am my pet’s pet! I really wish they would either rename the class to beast master, because that is what we are currently, or remove the pet mechanic which sucks anyways, especially in WvW, increase our damage to offset the loss of pet damage, and we keep the name of ranger.

And honestly, it’s not even the pet mechanic that doesn’t make the ranger class ‘feel’ ranger..ish. It’s the whole thing. We are suppose to be woodsmen, outdoorsmen, hunter’s. We should be able to track, hide in the shadows and move in stealth when in the woods while hunting prey. I should be able to take terrain as an advantage, not a disadvantage as it is now. I stand on a wall and try to shoot DOWN and I’m told it’s to far away! How the kitten can down be to far to shoot? Then adding salt to injury half of my damage is sitting next to me licking his balls because he doesn’t know how to run down the stairs to attack the people below!

For gods sake Anet, Give me a REAL Ranger class! One that I can be proud to play!

Dahkeus.8243:

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

I wouldnt mind the class if I wasnt forced to have a pet. Id be happy if they just make a petless archer class. But they wont.

That class already exists. It’s called a Warrior or Thief.

Wrong, a warrior is a warrior, and the thief is a thief. Ranger’s are the only class that aren’t ranger’s, they are beast masters. Traditionally, Ranger’s are not suppose to have pets. ANet mixed two classes into one when they did our class and that’s why this class is so broken. Anet created a hybrid class and doesn’t know what to make of it yet.

Othayuni.7369:

Remember that Aragorn in LotR was also a ranger

Yea, I remember, and if I remember correctly, he wasn’t forced to use a pet was he?

Arsenic Touch.7960:

Their loyal pets, which rangers tame and train, distract enemies while the rangers strike safely from a distance.

If this really is Anet’s vision, then they kittened up! Our pet’s don’t distract very well, and they are in charge of half of our damage. If they are suppose to distract the enemy so we can strike from a distance, then they should remove the damage from pets and give it back to the ranger…which honestly, will fix many problems we have, especially in WvWvW.

awe extender.1908:

Haakkelberg.2460:

LB is only weapon I use, sword and horn if really needed, bad dbs. As mentioned in up, some make 1200-1500dmg at max range, I get avarage off 1500dmg on closerange and high as 5800dmg, so why not spam #1 it’s best dmg y got! Whit max range off 1500 I hit opponent whit two arrows and downed, didin’t even see me comeing Hope I hit 6000 crit today, backitem upgrade will give me 119 crit dmg

Best hits sofar:

1. rabid fire: 18.200dmg hope to hit 20.000 after upgrade
2. barrage: 2000-2500/hit x10 that’s allready 20.000dmg total

SB rpm is double or so compared to LB, sb hit about 200-300 on #1 when crit and my LB will hit 1500 when crit at close range (my cc=65%) (attack=over 3500)
Someone calculate how mutch faster I kill y and if y run away…

What build and gear do you use?

umm, yea, I second that, what armor/weapons/runes are you using? If your not exaggerating Then I wanna be like Haakkelberg! (doesn’t have the same ring as I wanna be like mike…or am I showing my age again? Dohhhh!)

I had a nice long answer and I got logged out, so gotta retype this…

I’m a glass cannon build and I use both Short Bow and Longbow. For the record, I have no other weapons on my toon, I don’t like melee combat, I like archery. I have two sets of armor, glass cannon armor set, and magic find armor set.

I prefer the longbow over the short bow with the exception of the autoattack. the #1 skill on the longbow is just horrible, it feels like it’s got the longest delay then any other weapon in the game. This is the reason why I carry the shortbow, to be my #1 ability weapon. I use all abilities, #2-#5 on my longbow, they are all great and useful, on my short bow I only use autoattack #1. Depending on the situation, I will use shortbow #3-#5 in unison with the longbow (3 for the dodge/evade, and 4&5 to help me slow down the runner’s so I can use longbow #4 ability on them to knock them to the ground). But to this day in WvW I haven’t been able to win a fight using only longbow or using only Short Bow. I’ve needed both in order to win the fight. Maybe I’m just a bad player or something I don’t know.

And for farming in PvE, you can’t say no to the area effect of the longbow, it is very handy.

I play solo alot, that’s my playstyle, my choice on how I like to play the game, regardless of what kind of game it is. Why must I be penalized because of my playstyle? Because I like to solo I cannot do any dungeons? yesterday I wanted to do a dungeon and stood at the entrance for an hour and not one single player came near the area looking for a group, I didn’t even see a single group enter the dungeon! At this rate I’ll never get the upgrades I want and it honestly feels like I’m being penalized for being a soloer. There is enough content already that requires me to work with others, like bosses, why are you demanding dungeons to be the same? Please allow a single player version of the dungeons so we can progress in the game in the manner we like to play.

Agadar.4931:

Good god, you guys are still at it?

Ranger is the pet class. Deal with it, or reroll.

I would reroll, however, there is no True Ranger class in this game to reroll to and unfortunately, this is the closest class to ranger, although it’s really a beast master. Rogue’s are not really a ranged fighter, they are a melee fighter type. Warriors are not really a ranged fighter either, they are a get in your face and kitten you off type fighter. And the only ranged worth playing as a warrior is rifle, which is far from the ranger concept of archery/silent kill.

Ranger’s are not suppose to be a pet class, lets start there. You can’t find me one story or anything where a ranger always had a pet by his side to help him do damage, not even Aragorn which you seem to like to refer to as a ranger had a pet. The concept of ranger’s having pets was started with WoW I think and that’s because they combined two classes that where similar into one class, a ranger and a beast master. Both master’s of the outdoors, medium armor user’s. This is the concept that GW is using as well, a ranger and a beast master mixed together. It’s not a true ranger, and the name should be changed to something else, like huntsman or something but a ranger we are not.

If Anet wanted to do this right they should have made ranger’s petless. If you wanted the pet then you can work on the BM trait line which would allow you to have a pet but in doing so you can’t put as many points into an archery line in order to be a true ranger.

As ranger’s who are also suppose to be master’s of the outdoors and silent hunter’s, which means we should have some form of stealth which is a common thing for ranger’s from game to game but not on GW2.

But when you look at ranger’s in this game, it just looks like it was thrown together half kitten just to have the class present. But the class is so unpolished that Anet themselves don’t know what they want from the class.

Currently the ranger does not have a very viable archer build. The SB and the LB both do not cause enough damage alone, unfortunately we are tied to the pets. The pet does about half of our damage, without them you won’t take anyone down. Until Anet realizes that making the pet, an unreliable AI which dies in two hits, responsible for half of our damage is a mistake, we’re stuck as wannabe archer’s that can’t do burst DPS with our bows. As it stands right now, Anet see’s the ‘ranger’ or ‘archer’ portion of our class as being the consistent dps ‘mechanic’ for our class and has our pet’s handling the ‘burst’ portion of our DPS, however, the pet’s die way to fast, horrible AI that doesn’t avoid/dodge area effects, and low HP so they die in two hits, which means we are left with no burst and in PvP or WvW, burst is all that counts. Even in PvE, without the pet you’ll be kiting around the mobs for a long time compaired to any other class that will take it down within 10 seconds.

Ursan.7846:

Patience is a virtue, good sir.

To quote a line from the mummy,
‘not right now it isn’t’

hehehehe, sorry, love that movie and you made me think of it, lol

Atish.4351:

Hahaha..this made me giggle, “It’s not about the damage output, it’s that pets hold aggro marvelously well against trash mobs and are tough to kill in basic PvE”
Clearly he hasn’t been to Orr then XD

I agree, Once you go to Orr you will see that ranger’s are no where near overpowered. There is an event that everyone does over there which as a ranger, if you want to get kill credit to loot the corpses, you need to group up, preferably with a warrior. When the swarm of mobs come in the first thing I do it hit my 5 ability on longbow to hit all the mobs, before my first arrows land, the mobs are already dead because some warrior is acting like a ballerina with weapons, twirling around killing everything in two seconds. During off peak hours when I use my area effect I can’t take them down in 2 seconds like I see those warrior do, my ability 5 doesn’t even bring them down to 3/4 health.

Go play in Orr and then come back and tell me that Ranger’s are overpowered! And good luck having your pet hold agro in Orr, LOL!

I’m in TC and to be honest with you guys, I’d be the first to say that I’m a newb when it comes to PvP. My first time ever doing PvP was in SWTOR, which I know that PvP is considered a joke. Since I enjoyed the PvP there I tried WvW over here and was actually getting tired of the running around from area to area, killing NPC’s to regain control and continue to the next point. There just wasn’t enough of the PvP going on for me so I was about to give up on WvW. The other day when I logged on I saw swords all over the map so I made my way to the closest one. Climbed up the wall to start my attack to find myself looking out into an ocean of red tags under me. I have never seen that many people before at one time in WvW and it was exhilarating and very fun. We lost some ground and got pushed back, lost the wall, but after some reinforcements came in we regained the wall and began to rebuild defenses. It was something that made me wish I had some VR gear on so I can feel like I was actually in there! I don’t know why people are complaining about, it was fun. Yea, it might suck if it was day in and day out the same thing but every now and then to have a battle like that is just awesome.

JonPeters.5630:

I made some changes to improve pets hitting moving targets in this upcoming build. I wouldn’t expect those changes to light the world on fire, but they have improved. There is more to be done in this area still but feedback on how much this upcoming change helped, once it is in, would be great.

I think we should run a test on moving targets to see how frequent or how long it takes for the pet to damage the target before the patch so we can test it out afterwards in order to give Jon the feedback he is requesting. Preferably someone who has video capture on their computer, otherwise I’d do it myself. I know there are some video’s out there already but one for this test in particular would be good.

I don’t know. A crossbow seems to be an insult for a ranger. Crossbow’s where made as an easy to use/aim substitution for the bow and arrow. It was created to ‘dumb down’ the art of archery for people that weren’t archers, for any soldier running up to defend a wall, so they could easily pick it up, aim and shoot. True it had more power then a longbow for penetrating armor, however, it had a VERY slow loading time, having to put it on the floor, in order to draw it, then draw a shaft into it before you can fire. A good archer could shoot 4 or 5 arrows in the time it took a crossbowman to reload for the second shot.

As much as I think it would be a cool concept to be able to use a rifle, I don’t believe that Ranger’s should have the rifle ability. Ranger’s have always been a duel wielding, longbow master, with such skills which people believed they where involved in witchcraft because of their ability to blend into nature to the point that it looks like they disappeared or become as one with nature.

I believe by creating the engineer they created what you guys are asking for. A ranged profession dealing with black powder firearms.

garethh.3518:

Pet AI is fine’ish, the only issue short of their inability to fallow up/down terrain is that you can’t control their other abilities (so they tend to be utterly random).
The pathing just means you have to either run a bird or work with your pet if you want to actually do anything worthwhile with it.
That’s not a bad concept.

This is a joke right? Please tell me your joking with this…so I know how to respond to it. Because first you said fine, then you changed it to fine’ish

Just because warriors can’t use it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Which is why I mentioned Engineer, because it’s the closest class to the ranger when it comes to ranged combat, they have the pistol, which is like our short bow, and they have the rifle which is like our longbow. Just because you move the rifle over to another class doesn’t mean that the weapon becomes reclassified as a faster firing weapon. It still has the same slow delay as a longbow does and similar attacks as the longbow. Your trying to compare warriors offhand sword to ranger’s offhand dagger and saying they are the same because ranger’s do not have an offhand sword. It doesn’t work that way. You have to compare it to a similar weapon, luckily for this one the rifle is like the longbow.

If you insist to say that the rifle is like the short bow then please tell me what the pistol’s counterpart is?

How about a turtle? No Seriously, go with me on this one here. Because of his shell you can’t kill him so he’ll be invulnerable all the time, He’ll be slow obviously, but if he catches you and bites you (because you know, once they bite they won’t let go) your slowed until either you kill the ranger or the ranger kills you? So you have a pet that does permaslow which would be good in PvP/WvW.

garethh.3518:

Jay.3284:

Rangers are pretty lackluster overall. So yes I think they need some lovin’

2-3 solid specs

Can you say that with a straight face? :P
Sorry, I’m in a joking mood, hehehe.
ahh man, I got cheated! there’s no smiley with the tongue sticking out?!?!?!

Obsidian.1328:

How is shortbow the counterpart to the rifle? If anything, dual pistols is the shortbow equal: shorter range, higher rate of fire. The longbow is specced for distance attacks, and riles come closest to that range. Granted rifle can be used effectively at any range, but it can shoot farther than a shortbow can.

Both rifle and longbow have a knockback and a volley/rapid fire skill. Both apply similar conditions. And both have comparable ranges and rate of fire. Dual pistols and shortbow both apply bleeds and dazes, both have an escape mechanism (blind, evade), and both have similar ranges. The only advantage pistol has is a burst function but shortbow kind of makes up for that by having a slightly higher rate of fire and a spray pattern skill that applies poison.

That’s what I have been saying but they keep on telling me no But I agree with you.

I’m not a great PvP’er, I’d be the first to admit that. I have my main which is a level 80 ranger and an alt which is a level 60 thief. I can normally last longer in WvW on my thief then I can with my ranger, and that’s that I hate, let me emphasize that, I HATE melee weapon combat. I have played my ranger more in WvW but have more kills on my thief. The thief I have also has lots of ‘oh kitten cards’ to escape trouble unlike my ranger does, so maybe this may be the reason why. A ranger is viable in WvW, however, if your good in pvp then you shouldn’t have to much trouble but you would probably wreck more havoc with another class. I’m not saying that they are bad, but they are far from the best as well.

Shinigami.2193:

If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.

Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?

Because it’s his JOB. When I use to work retail, I would have people in my face sometimes, I can’t just walk away and not help, it’s my job to answer their questions and to assist them.

If he had ponied up and apologized instead of giving a lame excuse then that would have been more acceptable…Look, I’m not looking for an argument because this horse has been beaten to death and we’re still kicking the carcass around, but I’ll ask you to do one thing, then come back here and answer me if you honestly feel like we where treated equally to all the other classes that you see him post in.

Here is his link:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JonPeters-5630/showposts

Read all of his posts, they are all informative, fairly detailed, he tells them when it’s going in and actually puts it in. He seems to stay on top of the post a couple of times and ask’s for information or number’s so he can compare. Then you come accross a post that looks more like an excuse then anything else, click on it, it’s the ranger forum. go back, keep on searching through his posts and you’ll see more informative posts and posts where he is testing stuff for people. If you look at what he has posted here, it’s a joke. First he comes on here creating a new thread, not answering any of the existing threads which makes be think that he hasn’t bothered reading any of our threads. Then we all post positive stuff onto that thread of his because we’re all happy that we are getting some fixes. Then his second post is like ‘wow, this thread has really blown up’ or something to that idea, which simply reads, yea, I don’t read your forum and I’m surprised how many people have posted here. Then patch day comes and we get an excuse!

Read the mods, all other forums get warnings, please stay on topic. Ranger forum get’s closed with no warning or in some instances that I have seen, DELETED.

I have already come to acknowledge that I am GW2’s red headed stepchild, you should come to that realization as well.

No, I don’t think longbow is worse, I actually run a glass cannon build with SB/LB. I don’t use melee weapons. For me I believe the bow’s are situational and you have to adjust according to the conditions of the battle.

And I thought that warriors piercing didn’t have to be traited? I guess I read it wrong somewhere.

I didn’t downvote you, I actually liked the video, I thought it was a good fight to see. I’m just saying it wasn’t like some thieves out there which are one trick ponies. The question was asked, like what else could the thief have done. Me being a glass cannon build gave you an answer as to that question with a previous experience of mine with a thief.

To my understanding, Longbow is like the rifle, slower fire rate. Gun is like the short bow, quicker fire rate. Therefore, you have an eng and a ranger, what is the engineer’s equivalent of a longbow? the rifle. What is the engineer’s equivalent to the short bow? the gun. Thus is why I said it’s counterpart. I do understand that fire rates vary between the 4 weapons and honestly that seems to be more of a design flaw then anything else. The Rifle even has the rapid fire that the longbow has. I mean, sorry, it’s the equivalent in this situation/scenario.

I was primarily thinking of PvP/WvW when I was typing that, which is why I was saying real world because you would be playing with real people, but since I didn’t spell it out you got me, touche. But even in PvE, my pet doesn’t hit kitten because the mob is always chasing me around in a circle, so my pet doesn’t get a chance to get a hit in. I always have to start the fight with the pet attacking first before I can begin the attack in order to get my pet to do something before they run towards me.

Quickness is a ranger’s feature, however, for the Base damage, you can’t use it, it’s traited. And not something everyone is traited for. I wasn’t traited for it till just recently when I started doing WvW. In order to get a base damage stat, you need to stripped of everything or have everything the same. I say shoot naked and untraited first to get the base numbers, then gear up with the same gear and trait up and see what you get. But you can’t gear/trait one up as a tank and the other as a glass cannon, otherwise the test is a joke.

By the way Sleepy, I was in no way attacking or insulting the OP, nor am I trying to attack you either. Like I said before, I applaud him for taking the time to do this test. Honestly, I believe until someone creates a parser for GW2 we might never know the true answer.

There are several things thieves can do, but from what I saw, that thief was ‘clean’. The other night I had one that started with a 5k backstab, so I dodged away, then he used heartseeker (believe that’s the name of their leap attack) on me like 4 times in a row, and heartseeker does some good damage, that’s all he needed to do to take me down. Even with my longbow pushback wasn’t enough to keep him away from me from using that heartseeker. Plus they run faster then us so it’s not like I could run away a bit to gain some distance. To me, my fight was dirty, but what do you expect from a thief?

This is not a personal attack or an insult post or anything. Just wanted to clear that up first.

This test has so many holes in it that it can’t hold water. There are several things that you need to do in order to test this properly.

First, your comparing warrior rifle, you need to compare it to the rifle counterpart which is the longbow. You can’t compare rifle to a mix of longbow and shortbow, you have to keep it the same, long delay weapons.

Second, you need to, at least, start the test un-traited. This will give you a base as to the damage capabilities of the weapon. Once you have this base you can then redo the test traited and see if you get a difference result. You can also see the difference in damage output and see if it’s because of traits or if it’s just because it’s a better weapon choice.

Third, you can’t use a pet. Your comparing weapons here. If you insist on using pet’s then you have to make it more ‘real world’ applicable. In other words, run the test on moving targets.

fourth, speaking of ‘real world’ application, you will need to run the test while moving in and out of difference ranges. Since it’s impossible to stay at max range for the entire battle, the number’s will not be correct, you’ll either be simulating a ‘best case’ or a ‘worse case’ scenario by staying at one fixed range.

I’m not trying to attack you, I actually applaud you for your time in testing this. However, the only thing this test proves, is that ranger’s can do just a little bit more damage using pets, and two different bows (a fast delay and a slow delay weapon) while hasting themselves during pet swaps, then a warrior can using a slow delay weapon and no hasting. If you would like to run the test’s again and would like help and are in the Tarnished Coast Server, drop me a line, I’d be more then happy to lend you a hand.

I’m happy to see this thread reopen. It’s true that, as Rummy just said along with others, the conditions/situation is not ‘real WvW/PvP reality’ it still exposes a fault in the system. The best part is the video’s show both, archery and pets with their fault. Personally I believe the problem with pets is much worse then that of archery since the pets are responsible for 40% of our damage. Hopefully we can get some news from a dev, as to if they acknowledge this issue and if something is being done about it or if it’s something that they are not sure how to fix. If they don’t know how to get it fixed, perhaps they would care to listen to some of our suggestions as a workaround until they are able to get it fixed.

Arrys.7145:

promurphy.2761:

If you knew what the Devs had planned for the Ranger… would you feel better?

I’m sure the developers don’t want to start an argument or what have you until changes are MADE. But I’d personally love to know what the developers are thinking may be potential fixes to our problems. Even if they say, “We won’t get to this until 2 months.” It would still make me stay on my Ranger, knowing that there will be fixes someday.

All this silence just makes me want to reroll or play another game.

Am I alone in thinking like this? I’m really frustrated and feeling lackluster about the state of things.

They tried to communicate with us like adults. They were rewarded with a childish backlash to everyone not getting their dreams despite their outreach clearly indicatting it would be an ongoing process.

They would be foolish to attempt to communicate proactively with us again.

The perception of an unfulfilled promise is far more harmful to retention than an unmet hope.

When are you going to open your eye’s? They didn’t try to communicate with us ‘like adults’. They lied to us. He said that they had fixes in for the previous patch and had to pull those fixes out for further testing because they where afraid it might have made us overpowered, But to expect them in the following patch. He then gave us a list as to what to look forward to, as in what was pulled from that previous patch. Then when the patch he told us to look forward too, which was the last patch, NOTHING he said that was already done was put in, NOTHING. An entire month to test what they did and the excuse he gave was that they only have two people working on balance and whatnot. Honestly, those two people couldn’t test what they had already done? they didn’t have the time to test it? yet they found plenty of time to buff all other professions? We got the LEAST amount of updates, yet he has the nerve to come here and say that he believes that ranger’s need the most work? Then they turn around and buff the warrior bow and tell us that they believe our bow is just right and so is the sword? Seriously? That’s not talking to us as adults, that’s them lieing to us to try to calm us down and then it backfiring on them! If he wants to come in here and talk to us as adults I am all for it, hell, I’m encouraging it! But if it’s to lie to me, I’d rather he stay out of my forum!

Now someone here mentioned about the dev’s doing a poll as to what we think should be top priority. I think this is a wonderful idea. It gives us the ability to see what they are looking forward to fixing and allowing us to give our input as to what we believe will help our game play most first.

If they believe they don’t have time to be fishing through the forums, which I doubt since I am constantly seeing threads locked and posts deleted. Then let’s appoint a volunteer to be the community spokesperson. This person can make the list of problems the ranger’s are seeing, and list them in order or urgency/game breaking (according to the voice of the community) and let this person have access to the E-mail or whatever for the person in charge or balance. Have him answer that E-mail and the spokesperson can then turn around and explain why we can’t have something, if something is working as intended, and what is being put on the cue for patching. Just because it’s on the cue doesn’t mean it’s coming right away, it means just that, it’s in a cue waiting to be worked on. They don’t have to say what is being worked on at that moment.

All of these things will help, but the silence and the lies have to stop, it does more harm then good

A pet that can hit a moving target! That’s what I want. Oh, and a Phoenix that does fire damage, Sweet!

I purchased an axe and torch to give melee a chance but melee is just not my thing, so I changed my build, got rid of the pet toughness with each kill and added it to regenerate when your hit 75% health. Now I swap pets constantly for the speed buff which I wouldn’t do before because I was afraid of loosing the stacks of toughness on the pet.

I didn’t try sword/dagger but it’s that hole chasing your opponent down to try to hit him that I don’t like. I prefer to run in circle’s and dodge around, I’ll chase you down but at a distance. Although I wish I could use the warhorn for the buff when using a bow.

Pets do die a lot in WvW, not so much in PvE, and they are hard to maintain when there is a lot going on around you. Last night playing WvW I kept on having to stop doing what I was doing to call my pet back because he would insist, let me repeat that, he would INSIST CONSTANTLY, into running towards ALL of the area effects in front of him. It really sucks that 40% of my damage want’s to kill itself and leave me defenseless. Yea, I think until they fix all the issues with pets, they need to introduce something like this to help.

Wasn’t really trying to farm tokens, was just wanting to have fun without dieing every 2 minutes and without dieing to every single person that ran past me. I wouldn’t mind the tokens, maybe I can pick up a couple of upgrades. But mostly just want to have fun. I think the funniest thing that happened to me last night was a 1v1 against another ranger, I took him down, my first 1v1 for the night so I was excited…so excited that I forgot to look at my health, ran up to him to finish him off and I got knocked down, so it ended up being a slug fest against our pets and us throwing rocks at each other, LOL. I won that one, if you can call it a win, but that’s what I was looking for, FUN. Not like the previous day that I was getting ripped a new one everywhere I went. It’s funny how a couple of small changes here and there makes a difference. I just can’t wait till I get better gear, I’m just in rare’s right now, the only exotic I have is my short bow, and it’s crafted.

I want to thank everyone for the info. Last night when I logged in, someone that read my post sent me a /tell with a lot of good info and suggestions as well. So with all of your information I rearranged my build a bit, purchased some better foods, Change of pets, (trying to work on the armor but with only 2 gold to my name that isn’t going so well), I tried my hand again at WvW as an archer and feel I did much better, I was even able to win a 1v1 against a Mesmer. Was only able to get 4 tokens though so I know I still have a lot more to learn, but at least I feel like I was able to contribute something to my server without constantly dieing.

Thanks again for the great info everyone

Thanks for all the reply’s and info. I tried my hand in WvW, I only have longbow and short bow, I don’t even own any other type of weapon because those are the only weapons I like to use. I’m a glass canon build and I did not have a good time in 1v1 in WvW. I just felt like I was picking away slowly while I was getting walloped for high damage. Then the only fight that I was starting to win 1v1 was a mez who took off doing while breaking the sound barrier! I found a zerg group and stormed a fort or a keep (1st time playing WvW so learning the map and idea behind it), and we took control of it which was nice I’m just not sure if I was able to contribute as much as the other players there where because of my build…which is why I was looking on YouTube to see what I could do better.

Thanks again.

I’ve been going through YouTube a lot, trying to find pvp video’s of ranger’s. It seems that the only way for a ranger to be viable in a PvP environment is by being a melee type. I have not found a single video of a ranger doing good, hell, doing decent, using a bow exclusively. The best video I have seen of a ranger doesn’t even equip a bow at all!

So, question is, in order to be viable in WvW, do I have to get rid of my bow for a sword/dagger, sword/warhorn, sword/torch or some other form of combo and get used to doing melee?

DaisyRogers.6837:

aPutridCorpse.8792:

So when is the next patch?
It’s been over a month since JonPeters posted here and he hasn’t come back since…

Honestly don’t blame him for not wanting to post anything with the juvenile tantrums thrown and the huge amount of personal attacks levied against him.

Honestly… what else would you expect?

He should have thought twice before he lied to us…saying that they had ranger improvements on the previous patch but had to pull them in order to test them further and then saying it would be in the next patch, come next patch and the improvements he said where already done where no where to be seen giving us an answer that they where limited in time. So they have the time to patch and buff and test stuff for all other classes, but they don’t have time to just test what they had already done for us?

Don’t be a fanboy, you know he lied to us which is why we got pissed at him. Worse part is he comes on here saying that they acknowledge that ranger’s need the most love because we’re the worse off profession then come patch and we get the least amount of fixes and no buff’s while professions that are already overpowered, like warrior, get buffed up even more. That’s just adding salt to the injury!

Yup, and that’s 45% of our damage there, doing back-flips to entertain the enemy while we use the feathers from our arrows to tickle the enemy to death.

Not much of a beastmaster if you can’t get your pet to hit anything. As it stands right now with Pet AI, the best thing to do is remove pet damage and buff ranger damage. Once Anet can get pet AI fixed and have pets hit moving targets and fix their pathing issues, then they can return the damage to the way it was. But in the meantime we are hurting because Anet wants to sit on their kitten and say, we’ll just wait a couple of years until we can figure this kitten out.

If you want to be a ranger that does melee damage???? umm, play a warrior, same crap. As per Anet’s description of rangers, we are suppose to be range fighters doing insane damage from a distance with our bows….Currently not the case although that is their ‘vision’ of the class…or until they change that vision by changing the description on their website.

OP I like your suggestion, I have suggested very similar idea’s in the past but with no luck.

I think after this last patch, the ranger forum has gone unmoderated (is that even a word?). I know I left one upset post at JP which still has not been deleted which is weird. I think they have given up on us ranger’s completely.