Guild Wars 2

Ty for the anwser Seed i appreciated every effort to the discussion.
Medium population or not is all about the real Wvw population, there is some big guilds in Ag that i never saw in Wvw not even once.

I get the same frustation when i get killed and i was running with 5-6 if i get rolled by i group 20, the difference, Ag can do a group of 20 and you can do that too, until every server in the matchup can reach the average Group number the matchup are fun even if you lose with point, and is fun because fight are fair or at least pretty near in numbers.

I just want to restore the fun part in wvw, many times i see use of extreme force from Am, that’s where the problem really is. aganist our little guild group if you send 60 is a sure win, steamroll and get loot i don’t think that’s fun even for you, where is the challenge in that?
When i command i start getting 40 people in mumble, the fight became, push in, get loot, get out, is fun for maybe 30 min then is just loot, i can do pve for that.

I think even Piken and Augury rock complaining about your blobbing, and i don’t think they need manpower, they have it.

Am has a lots of pugs, they run with 1 commander and i can understand the blobbing up to a certain point, we rarely see Guild groups alone, i can see guild groups alone on all other server except Am and Rs(but a bit less).

I’m not trying to give AM a bad reputation, i’m saying fact and try to change thing, i really want that Am gets better, Fun fight are what keep WvW going, i trying to get more of that.

I think I transfer to Ag in the starting of Febrarury, i don’t know the Ag from before, thing is did you talk with Ag?, because i know plenty of people here that like fair fight, they were ready to give it to you if you asked, we asked you to give us a fair fight or at least don’t blob us down.
I think if you really asked you would get fair fight, Ag didn’t like blob in past and doesn’t now, If you asked to fight aganist 15 probably somebody will send 15.
Anyways Reaching 30 is much easier than reaching 60.
Blob became a problem when Ag was fighting Baruch bay and Riverside, from that time on, Riverside grow in numbers and in defense tatics, and AM came along we learn the megablos.
I can’t say about AG at the start of the game, but from when i play on Ag, i know for sure that if you ask a fair fight we will give it to you.

i’m saying that a group of 50 of AM is much more common then a group of 50 of Ag and a group of 15 of ag is more common than a group of 15 of Am, you can’t contest that.
Of course there is situation where Ag is bigger than Am but how many times that happen?
If all other server that fought you, insane, with every single one claiming big blobs from AM, that doesn’t happend with other server, nobody claim that FSP blobs all the time, or that gandar blobs all the time, maybe Am has a much higher percentace of blobbing.

@Seed My post is to try to explain to Am people what it feel like from my side, his post added nothing other than flaming the conversasion more and more, without add to that conversasion

Ofcourse add nothing to the conversion keep going AM troll

@Sirana you play for points, points mean nothing aside population and off-peak population.
You can have fun getting points.
Matchup are decide at the moment of the random roll.
Ag doesn’t want to Fight AM anymore, we tired of seeing the same cheap tactics all day, from the matchup list i think starting from AM and going up in rank, is the server where guild have 30 and up and can easly blob up without problem.
Starting from miller and going down, blobbing is less of a problem and is harder to do, guild are smaller and can’t really take the blob, unless with heavy siege, Tup can do it because is more hardcore than most guild of AG and has the numbers 25-30.

Still even if the blob is 50-60 that is regular size on AM and don’t lie because I see this ALL KITTEN DAY, if the enemy is moving with 15-20 usually the enemy always lose.
The reality is if you play in of this groups of 50-60 and you always fight an inferior opponent in number, you’re not playing for points, you just want loot and easy mode, if you play for point, you split more and match enemy number and taking more stuff at the same time, trying to beat the enemy with Group skill and not numbers.
Blobbing and playing for points can’t be together, if you think like that, you’re fooling yourself again.

Smaller group of AM exist but much rarer. every other server has multiple small group, we almost never see that from AM

For the Megablobs, yes a 80 man group is not like all day but is also not unsual for AM, other server can’t pull that off or won’t do that on regular basis, that’s the difference.

AM you might know who is fighting a bigger opponent, try to fight that oppenent for months, going to the forum and seeing people claming bullkitten all the time from that oppenent, using cheap tatics, instant build arrow on open field even with bigger numbers, than come back and tell me how you feel.

The matchup is not balance, we can’t win with this population imbalance, the game doesn’t have the tool to make an alliance, the design failed kitten this, only thing we can ask is good fighting, for now you can’t deliver on that, when we fight in same numbers usually AM get wiped in something bewteen 14 and 16 seconds, then they come back with double the number and we get wiped. If they split they lose, so stay together, thinking nosense to support their claim of NOT BLOBBING.
How can we have Respect for an enemy that does that?

They Fail is not your is of Anet that design this thing, without fixing for now, i hope, but maybe you can help we that, for now you don’t want, other server understand each other with Am this is not possible.

@Sirana there is a difference bewteen being outmanned on Total Population size and being outmanned in groups size.

Population is what makes points, Groups size is what makes fun.

My group runs with 15-20 most of the time, sometime pugs join us even without commander icon but rarely with go over 30, until we fight group up to 40 is fun and engaging.

If on AM you run with a Group of 60-70, ER couldn’t send double of that to you, because there is a map limit, so you got outmanned much much less.
Probably aganist ER you didn’t get outmanned most of the time or if you were outmanned was like 60vs80 so is MUCH easier to fight like that, and you can still have fun, Skill lag was probably maxium level, but you had fun and you keep going.

You can’t ask us “Take it has incentive”, is like saying “Yes keep coming we have 80 you come out with 30, we want more loot, pls come out and play” People are not stupid.
The logic strategy is match their numbers, well in Ag we don’t want and we probably even can’t, so the other solution is stop playing or try to communicate with the enemy, i don’t find the worth playing if i’m lagging during fighting.
Want to play the game at broken level, go head, break it until everybody stop playing.
There is a reason because AM is hated by everybody

For alliance and stuff, like that, they game doesn’t have the tools to do that , i can’t set my damage to don’t hit FSP nor i can say to my entire server now we do what i say.

Let’s try one thing, we choose a map you come with 20 people and i try to organize the biggest blob i can, so i can show you how is from our side maybe you can take that has an INCENTIVE.

If you want to start to Flame, people will just leave the forum, I’m the first claiming that everyserver should be called with the respective name, to anybody calling an other server without is real name, Troll Ahead 0/10.
We know FSP, we love you too

Hey Nauda, let’s hope for some fights

1) I’m the only Forum Guardian here.
2) Ag runs some community not many btw, if you ask anyone from Ag we can tell you where they are so you don’t fight a blob.
3) Ag map is always full in prime time, guild don’t go there, you will find pugs there.
4) To find Ag guilds is better if you go to MS border or Gandara border.
5) Next matchup thread is MINE, i will kill you Kinkywarrior, and Argwulf you posted on his thread at the start of the week and i lost the win on the match thread for that reply!!! , so before posting check if is mine /joke-rage
6) We like you Gandalf and Ms, kiss kiss

Calm down people, i didn’t play because of my own lag, Ag guild are Tup,Dawn,Np,Rl the last two for what i know they run less, we a pugs that follow guild group without commander, them pugs, they don’t want to join guild but they always there to get loot.
If you Ag blob usually is a top 40 people( with really 15 people playing the game) you killed them they go to bed without problems.
Pugs will be Pugs. We try to manage as much as possible. Pls don’t call us Rivercart it hurts
If there is any problem just wisper the guild so you can understand the situation, on Ag border you rarely find guild group of us if you want we meet in Miller borer :wink :wink and smash things there.

Still looking for a mesmer, UP UP

Sent a mail in game

Ty YAK for the awesome Gvg we had lots of fun, hope to do this again very soon.
Pugs ruined a bit but Pugs will be Pugs.

We’re looking for a Mesmer
At least R40, we want somebody to add to our team not somebody who we have to teach.
Fluent English
High comuncation, working mic of course.
Good tactics thinking.
We pratice from 14.00 CEST to 20.00 usually sometimes more, we want to play on that timeframe as much as possibile.

We Offer a team that wants to reach top, trough pratice and critism on our errors
We review our errors at the end of every game.
We don’t rage, and we have fun.

Ag is strong on prime time and a bit later, reset usually is when we do the best because enemy has low supply and we like to attack, nothing is reinforced and everything flips, don’t worry xiderpunk, the fight are awesome everybody is having fun that’s the most important thing.

Caid, Dawn we run 10-15 aside sunday where i do my event like tonight were i limit people to 35 but people keept coming.
If you want to arrange anything just wisper me or Kuper and we’re usually up to

Solid Mesmer, Good communication, calm cool guy

It was me, i’m sorry, i started commanding on miller sound border and mumble just exploded and we got 35-40 on mumble, i’m sorry gandara you were running with groups of 10-15, We enjoy the coordinated fight when you pushed with Dius, Tda and Xxx together, i hope we didn’t blob too much, i usually limit my event to 35, but people were following me even without commander up.

I know that RS commander are good, i know all the difficult to keep people together when you run a large force, we have the same issue on Ag.
The cost of moving a blob is not high enough now, the advande of split is minimal.
I’m not discussing the quality of the commanders, i’m saying that running with a large number of people ( 50 and over) makes the combat part aganist less numbers pretty trival.
Without any debuff on movemnt and waypoint ready the blob can move way too fast and when they arrive to the location that they are need, they just steamroll people without effort because of number not skill.
On the other side you try to attack something, you get a bit of resistance from inside a tower, AC start shooting and then when you’re close to get something you get rolled becase a large group come as fast as you and you as small group can’t cap stuff fast enough because you have less people and can’t kill the door fast enough.
If people want to play with 80 together that fine, but one it shouldn’t break the game because of, right now when 2 blobs collide the game unplayable, maybe we should start think that size is too much for the game to handle and maybe is not good, other if the enemy is running a so large force that makes Combat trival they should lose stuff much quicker, in Tpvp if you zerg you will get decap, right now the blob is a freaking roaming thief that can go back to a point and defend without any effort.

Everybody found himself in some big blob fight, for us is not a pleasant experience, the game is unplayable, do you really think that is FUN?

@Dayra You missed my point completely, i didn’t say the enemy has to accept my rules, i was talking about learning in skill and i was anwsering MRA on his claim that we can’t cope with challenges, my point is Using more numbers to counter an enemy, is a cheap tactics, for now it works because the map are too small to make spliting vastly superior to blobbing.
Do you think that more numbers is a more skillfull tactic?
Because it seems that everybody that blobs less than you are inferior in skill and tactics.

@MRA of course the past 2 week were a cake walk, if you run with 50 people and the enemy runs with 25 do you except to lose any time, you will win everytime, and if you lose your group did some major kitten up. If you come of towers to just PvD your way to points you except that to be hard?

Coverage wins matchup.
Numbers wins fights.
With equal or so numbers, you get a good fight and skill comes out.

When i lose a fair fight aganist a superior skill force, i try my best to get better and get my people to do better, i came from a Tpvp background, and i know a challenge when i see one, Fight outmanned is a challenge but you can overcome it only up to a certain point, fighting aganist AC doesn’t prove anything on your side, we gave credit to the guild that deserve it, as a server you deserve nothing until we see something else.
If we fight riverside that play “strategy” and that means PvD all night and morning, the same Riverside that because didn’t want to fight the old FEAR group decide to avoid us let us get point and come back at 5 am when AG when finally to bed.
The same riverside that admited that blob up to counter our guild group, should we see that has a challenge or an enemy that has only cheap shoot on his belt.
Hoping in change, some of you are good people, you can back at your now old glory.

@Dayra, i meant you leave the question, you’re not helping the discussion so your post just flame morem the question is relevent, i wanted to know how my enemy think about because i want to know better they point of view better.

@street i understand your point, of course i don’t want to completely remove siege, i just think that now is too much prevelant, if groups of people instant build AC on open field i think we have problem, inside keep is fine, there is treb for that, is extremly boring but this is the game, AC on open field i think is too much.

Fighting outmanned siege all you want, if you run with a group of 50 or more, and build AC on open field, i think the game is broke, the meta is not healty it will drive the game in bad spot and people will leave.
Ty for the anwser street

@Dayra i’m asking something you want to anwser, anwser if not leave
The current state of the game doesn’t mean that the game is perfect or it can’t be improved.

@street you didn’t say anything about superior tatics, in some thread ago about a matchup aganist RS, many of Rs clamied that, sorry the message was suppose to be more about the all the discussion not only you.
on Ag i can tell you with 100% certain that most REGULAR group the biggeest one is Kiss than Tup then Rddt and Dawn, Kiss can go up to 40 even, when you see more are the pugs.
Tup runs 25-30.
rddt 20-30
Dawn 10-20

AG pugs are completly Useless and i mean i have commander up, then go where they want, follow single stragle, and get wipe, and rage at the commander, Pug logic.
i’m sure the AG blobs sometimes, but we don’t have any regular groups that want to blob or like to run with over 30, this is big difference, when from Am someone was saying that they had 120 in TS, 100 in map and the rest in queue, how we should take that? Great i will just start fighting and then see nothing because i lag and oh they are so Pro like we can’t take that in a good way, good for them they have more people ready to cooperate and they more people in general. Trust me in the last month i fought 95% of time getting other number by a lot, AG has a server is getting a bit tired.
You can see why we might ask to split a bit more, not stop playing just split, many of RS said that splitting is better, i remember the first time that i fought AM, someone said that blobbing was a problem for them and i tryed to help when i could give them tips.

Now the important thing is not starting Flame war because are useless, when you say Server cry, server cry, server cry, that start a flame, if you get call out because of facts like AM runs with very big groups and Rs in some occassion too, that’s the result of the flame.

From my point of view, i go out, i play wvw we run with 10-20 we face bigger group all day long, i go on the forum and i see a flame war starting, what we should do, say good, your skill was good, we enjoy the fights or maybe saying we saw a group of 50 and then an other of 80.
Like if you were in my position you will do the same thing, we understand your point of view but you can’t understand ours.

Don’t go around calling server cry, because is useless and just start a flame war, to INT people call the server with the right name, or samething that they like, keep the flame a minium, retal will kill you.

Starting a new conversation, you think that siege adds something valuable to the combat experience? I don’t think so, i hate the Ac buff and Tup said many times this game will 100% better without door and no siege.

i prefer blasting in water field, we try to keep light field at the minium, our retal come from virtues it self every guardian can pop retal 3 times without blasting that’s usually enough to get perma.

We asked you to change long time, we have no hope for that.
We know that you want to play with big group, but here nobody is crying, that imho is useless, saying that you have more numbers has no correlation to crying, that’s why i think is flame and you should stop doing that if you want have a discussion, like forum need to be.
I’m not saying that INT server don’t have troll or flame starter, of course if anyone is claiming 1:5 numbers is probably lying, usually is more like 1:1,5 to 1:2, on my group of people we run 10-15 most of the times when we face the big AM group usually we face that kitten easy.
On Rs usually max i see 50, some times i saw the group of 80 the is more like 2 group of 40 near, on that Rs is much better than AM.
AM the group of 60-70 is very easy to see.

Of course we are not asking you too log people off if we have less but don’t claim SUPERIOR STRAGETY or tactics and don’t get offended when we’re saying that you had more numbers, that’s the focal point, from my prospective many times i see RS post where it seems that RS is Best server ever and they win because they play like a server when at the end is all about coverage and we all know it.

I have no problem with Rs there is good guild there, sometimes they group are too big for us but hey we do what we can.
Am on other end just Lag us to death like we enter a fight and i can’t use anything, we got rolled because they have 2-3 times the numbers of us and we can’t use any of our combat tactics because of skill lag and graphical lag.

At end i think that Ac and Lag breaks the game on a combat level and became only who build the first Ac and who lags a bit less, many of us don’t want that game and already left it for something else.

If all you care is lootbags and points, fight aganist us or npc it should be the same for you, this is not PVP.

Retal is overtune in wvw, the most important retal givil is not shout but Virtues, with 15 point in that line, you get perma retal with enough guardian.

The balance of Retal is based on Tpvp not wvw, that’s why is so powerfull.

Retal is the counter to aoe, wvw=aoe, the problem remain that now retal is not a strategy that you use but is more like some bonus that you have, i hope they rework that soon enough, more deep in the combat is always good.

Nice fighting yesterday night at 1am on Ag border aganist CNTK i was in the group of rddt-dawn-pugs.

@street there is no cry here, read every post before your and quote the crying, you saying things that are not happening, stop lying. BAD TROLL 0/10
We say that RS play for points because that what they told us in months of playing aganist them, they claim superior tactic and strategy, we claimed they had more numbers, only ANET knows the truth.
For Am, every server that play aganist them, say that they are blobbing, should we be telling a lie and say that 80 people on one point is not a blob?
That phrase doesn’t mean that other server don’t blob, maybe only maybe other server blob much less so their enemy doesn’t say things like you have 60-70-100-200 people with you.
I think we have sufficient evidence that AM likes running in big groups and RS likes playing for points.
Read it again, there is no negative in my message. if we want to argue that blobbing is bad that’s an other thing and an other discussion.
If you take blobbing as an offense maybe you think that blobbing is bad too.

People running away, Many of us INT player posted streams, video and all sort of proof, some group on RS and AM they run away, not all of them but sometimes happens, probably on other server you see the same things, post proof and everybody will fine and not take it has a flame.

Tip: Drop the Prejudice

We gave respect to every guild that runned alone, even if we get constan portrait like everybody is crying were there is none. If you read most of the anwser is always we claim that you have more numbers and sometimes post proof and you anwser " CRY CRY CRY" , who is the troll who is the one that start the fire, think before posting.

@JonSnow Am call that, solo roaming

I sent you i pm in game let me know

I’m sure that RS-AM will have lot of fun, it’s the game that they want, i wish for that they get match together again because what is better than competition they play game for points and they should play aganist people that play in the same way.
Good luck.
@Dawson go troll somewhere else nobody talked about blob here so stop now.
Good luck to DTK,DW,IF from RS and good luck to DP and the million little guild of AM

GO GO ARROW CART

I want to say that this is not the Official Matchup thread because is not my thread, KinkyWarrior you started a WAR!!!! BE READY /joke
Good start, lot’s of fun on Ag border, bit of lag but nothing serious

Let’s have fun

Weekly GANDARA COME BACK, let’s do it Ag-gandara-FSP GO GO GO, praise the lord RNG make it happend ANET

I hope for like Gunnar’s hold and Gandara, but probably will be RS and AM, fun times not.

We are looking for Engi/thief roamer,
Requirement
Ready to speak up, be vocal as much as possibile
Around R40
Good experience in 1v1 and roaming in general
English speaking

We play usually starting at 13-14 pm CEST time till 20.00 sometimes more
Wisper me in game or send me a pm here.

Ty to DTK for the pratice Gvg, we had a lot of fun

1)Playstyle =/ Numbers
Having more number all around we can’t really get more points no we are care about points.
Is not adapt or die, we already did that, is ANET keep matching us together we can’t do more with the people that we have.
RS trolls calm down, if you don’t want to be called blob, don’t move with 60 people at the time.

AnnieGYG +1 Great Post it resume the situation perfectly
Great Post Nauda.
To everyone before posting, try to don’t answer the trolls is useless and try to be nice as possibile, this is a place of discussion.

Question for every German why you hate other german in other server i really don’t understand.

:) Fluffy Kitten for everybody!!
Resume discussion

@Caid thank you for the clarification, i’ll try it next time i’m in wvw

Ratings, Aurora is gaining 2 position because gandara and miller are losing rating from last week, Riverside is losing position because piken and augury rock are getting rating again from last week, AG is losing very few rating point, and riverside is winning some rating points.
From all of that, play for fun not for rating, rating right now is just population + coverage where the enemy server doesn’t have it

@Manudiao Siege noob here, so if i place the AC direclty on the gate i can hit behind? can you confirm that, so that calling for hackers stops and everybody use that, if you do 2 screenshoot that will be great.

@KinkyWarrior Amelia use Arrow cart on KinkyWarrior before the reset, is SUPER EFFECTIVE, Amelia post matchup thread!!!! so guys if you see the 2 matchup thread post on mine

Yeah i saw Nauda, i just want to try to keep the discussion civil, i think is a bit offensive even if i think is true.
I personaly like Rivercart for Riverside, Ag = Anti-Germans, Gandara = Gandalf, for the rest i don’t know what to use.
Nice video Norreka i need to ask Royalty for the screenshoot quote

To every AM, when people say they hate AM is because when we face you, we usually run in heavy outmanned situation all the time. in WvW i like to lose some win some, when you face outmanned most of the time, you lose more than you win, and sometimes we get heavy lag that’s why we are angry at you. Before facing you, the normal size group was around 30-35, now is definitaly bigger.
Trying to compensate for blob is hard because many can’t handle such fight and until is like 70vs30 there is little lag on the 70 side and the 30 side you get heavy graphic lag because all the see of red that comes out, when is 70v70 everything lags, both graphic and skill.
If someone want to really fight 70 his most secure action is to get 70 with him; Choke, siege and stuff like that work until a certain point.
If you have time AM think why many server are “hateing” you, try to watch from our side, when can all count numbers sometimes we need to admit the facts.

Can we at least consider True at a certain point over 70-80 the game totally breaks down?

DP keep doing video, Norreka quote me as much you want

For next time let’s try to keep at least the matchup theard name as friendly has possibile. so let’s avoid Blobadons CRydara or name like that at least in match thread name.
And if you fight AG, I DO the thread nobody else, or i will arrow cart to death.

If you want to use other name use names that the other server like, something like Gandalf or stuff like that

Nice fight in Riverside Border just ended my commanding. I have no superior treb now

@Nauda blobbing is a choice, gandara did it with Yolobus long time ago. They just choose not to do it because of lag, playstyle, whatever.

@General Ragefist I don’t think Ag hates Germans, we have many in guilds. we only hate the blob playstyle and extreme number of siege, for some reason German server like that playstyle.

Ag doesn’t have the energy to fight DE server and blob anymore, at first was bigger challenge, then the groups of enemy became bigger and bigger now we top out at 90 sometimes that i think is the map limit.
If we did insult you, we sorry but try to fight with somebody that when you run jas most of the time more number than you, and when the battle is even number they get wipe in few seconds.
WvW is number game, few months ago Ag could fight RS and be a good match, now bewteen Ac buff, more numbers, 5 am rush, lack of people on Ag itself, we really can’t.
I usually run bewteen 15-20 even with more skill we can’t compensate for group of 50-60 people we really can’t. People get demoralise because we found no challenge fighting you, we can’t win points and we get a good fight once in the evening.
For me the Fun part in wvw died and we that i’m done with WvW until this is fixed, i’ll just do Gvg and traning for that.
Long time ago i found challenge and fun in WvW, not anymore.

community =/ blob, you can have a great community without blobbing, blob breaks the game, it can’t handle 80 people, for now you didn’t face an other big blob, when a 80vs80 not even autoattack works, so much fun.

I run with 15-20 yesterday i was outmanned most of the time, i’ll try to post a video, i can’t steam but i’ll make a video to let everybody understand, right now aganist german server, maybe aside drakkar because the have less numbers and also miller because the blob much less, with 15-20 we can’t really fight, If anyone think that going aganist double you size is balance you mind problems. Pvp without balance is useless.
Small roaming is still ok but small-medium size guild the can’t do kitten and have fun.
Nobody claim that guild are better than the blob, so shut up. We said that if you’re skilled in a blob it doesn’t matter, if you run away from one third of your size, you’re also a coward. For skill i hope you guys are and this bullkitten get fixed soon.